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How did Pakistan's economy perform during Imran Khan's era?

That is another topic altogether that what would have happened if he had not gone to IMF? It was still an option, as Asad Umar had revealed. The issue here is his U-Turn, for which he should first apologise, then he can carry on with IMF. He lied to us.

I am not sure he lied or not, but what I do know is that more than often contenders for the premiership make bold claims, and when in office, these claims become a nigh on impossible task insight of new information. Who knows, but the way I see it, if he had not gone to the IMF, Pakistan would be in a worse position than it is now (economically). No one in their right mind would swap a worse off economic state for what is brewing to be an economic boom.
 
You naturally support someone who has a revolutionary vision, especially in Pakistan where we were ruled and ruined by the likes of Musharraf, Zardari, Nawaz. He is not corrupt, yes, that is a big plus, but more than what he promised mattered a lot. But unfortunately he has bulldozed it all. Although he still has 4 years remaining, but looking at his cabinet I am not that confident.

It seems as if these things don't matter to you. It is like someone lies to you and you say it is ok it happens daily across the world. What do you mean by do the right by supporting Pakistan, if not IK? I live in Pakistan, I am proudly serving this country, what else support do you require? Imran Khan's performance has been abysmal, anyone living over here, especially those living a middle class or below life know what they are passing through, as they are in touch with ground realities more.

Do you live in Pakistan?

The UK is currently going through a monumental social, economical, and political change. 40+ years of marriage with the EU is about to end, and no one knows how, or when. We are talking about politicians who are masters at their game, member of political parties which have stood beyond the age of many global nations - all clueless on what to do. The point? You expect ONE man, with a NEW political party, to clean up 70+ years of corruption and loot over night when the best of the best cannot do it?

Why does it matter if I live in Pakistan or not? Are you going to tell me I am not qualified to comment because I live in the UK?
 
The UK is currently going through a monumental social, economical, and political change. 40+ years of marriage with the EU is about to end, and no one knows how, or when. We are talking about politicians who are masters at their game, member of political parties which have stood beyond the age of many global nations - all clueless on what to do. The point? You expect ONE man, with a NEW political party, to clean up 70+ years of corruption and loot over night when the best of the best cannot do it?

Why does it matter if I live in Pakistan or not? Are you going to tell me I am not qualified to comment because I live in the UK?

Look you have asked a typical question "do you expect clean up overnight?". I have already answered this in one of my posts, that I know such things take time, but it is equally important to stick with the pre-election revolutionary sermons because of which we voted for him, we thought his approach would be different. The crux of my debate is that he shouldn't have taken U-Turns on things for which voted for him, which made him look different.

I was just asking. I thought if you live in Pakistan, you probably would be more aware of the ground realities.
 
Look you have asked a typical question "do you expect clean up overnight?". I have already answered this in one of my posts, that I know such things take time, but it is equally important to stick with the pre-election revolutionary sermons because of which we voted for him, we thought his approach would be different. The crux of my debate is that he shouldn't have taken U-Turns on things for which voted for him, which made him look different.

I was just asking. I thought if you live in Pakistan, you probably would be more aware of the ground realities.

So let me get this straight. You understand that change will take time, you understand IK is different, but you want IK to apologize because he is the first ever politician to make a U-turn on his promise before sitting in office, which had he kept, Pakistan would be in a much darker place, and for that you want IK to apologize. Of course had he not made the promise in the first place, you along millions, would not have voted for him and right now you'd be content with Nawas or Zaradari instead. OK got it.
 
So let me get this straight. You understand that change will take time, you understand IK is different, but you want IK to apologize because he is the first ever politician to make a U-turn on his promise before sitting in office, which had he kept, Pakistan would be in a much darker place, and for that you want IK to apologize. Of course had he not made the promise in the first place, you along millions, would not have voted for him and right now you'd be content with Nawas or Zaradari instead. OK got it.

Ridiculous defence. Anyone politician who takes U-Turns on things which he sold before election, should not be trusted. Is it ok for politicians to take u-turns on the very revolutionary things they sell before elections? Now you are defending him that had he kept his promise, Pakistan would be in a much darker place, debatable, but shouldn't he apologise for this lie first? I want him to apologise for it, because he made us believe that he will have a different approach instead of taking loans. And we never were content post 1999, as things started to deteriorate especially after joining US WoT. Had he not preached revolutionary sermons, if there was someone else which such a revolutionary vision we would have supported him instead.
 
This is ridiculous defence. Then why did he promote him as the brain/finance minister before election, only to be sacked after few months? Look these things hurt, these shocking U-Turns. And please don't throw such typical statements around that Nooras bankrupted the country hence had to go to IMF. When Imran Khan confidently said he won't go to IMF, was Pakistan a super power during that time? We were in fact passing through a bad patch even during those days. This was a revolutionary claim that he won't go to IMF, we were amazed, supported him for such revolutionary things, but look what he did? Bulldozed it.

The Nooras complained that IK took to long to go to the IMF? Did IK know that the country had no reserves for Imports at all? Did he know that the budget deficit was running at 7.5% when officially it was running at least 2% lower. A bad patch is not the same as bankruptcy?
 
The Nooras complained that IK took to long to go to the IMF? Did IK know that the country had no reserves for Imports at all? Did he know that the budget deficit was running at 7.5% when officially it was running at least 2% lower. A bad patch is not the same as bankruptcy?

He should have studied it at that time before giving out such revolutionary statements. An influential person of his calibre could have easily known the real figures.
 
Ridiculous defence. Anyone politician who takes U-Turns on things which he sold before election, should not be trusted. Is it ok for politicians to take u-turns on the very revolutionary things they sell before elections? Now you are defending him that had he kept his promise, Pakistan would be in a much darker place, debatable, but shouldn't he apologise for this lie first? I want him to apologise for it, because he made us believe that he will have a different approach instead of taking loans. And we never were content post 1999, as things started to deteriorate especially after joining US WoT. Had he not preached revolutionary sermons, if there was someone else which such a revolutionary vision we would have supported him instead.

By this logic a person should stick with a bad choice, decision and not correct a mistake ever, some of the logic by diehard PML N, PPP supporters is just baffling. Have the PPP and PML-N never changed ministers during their tenure?
 
Ridiculous defence. Anyone politician who takes U-Turns on things which he sold before election, should not be trusted. Is it ok for politicians to take u-turns on the very revolutionary things they sell before elections? Now you are defending him that had he kept his promise, Pakistan would be in a much darker place, debatable, but shouldn't he apologise for this lie first? I want him to apologise for it, because he made us believe that he will have a different approach instead of taking loans. And we never were content post 1999, as things started to deteriorate especially after joining US WoT. Had he not preached revolutionary sermons, if there was someone else which such a revolutionary vision we would have supported him instead.

How is not going to the IMF revolutionary?

We all get it you prefer a darker more corrupt Pakistan than Naya Pakistan.

I am fully aware of the ground realities, and here is one for you, IK was not voted in power because of his IMF *revolutionary* promise, he was voted in power because people had enough of the old establishment. If you fail to realize this, then I should be the one asking you, was this the first time you were allowed to vote?
 
Protocol Culture has also increased in Punjab with likes of Usman Buzdar at the top.
 
So paying taxes in the adopted country is helping to kill Muslims? Your stupidity and hypocrisy has no boundries- but i suppose being brought on haraam, supporting crooks leads to melt downs.
BTW why are you the forum, the creater of this forum also lives in the UK, are you accusing him of funding the death of muslims? I am sure [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] would like to hear more from you!

Don’t go crying to the mods like a second grader goes to his principal. Don’t fret because I have showed you the mirror.

Saj and others here don’t strut around the ground advertising their honesty and morality like you do. If you are going to blow your own trumpet then you should also be prepared to hear cold, hard truths.

Your morality and honesty does not have a shred of credibility because you have no problem funding the terrorism of your government in the Middle-East and contributing to the deaths of thousands of innocent Muslims.

The worst part is that you don’t even feel guilty about it, which sums up your morality.

But you back the fascist Modi and his killing of innocent muslims in Kashmir. What a hypocritical mental midget!!!

I don’t support Modi. My stance is that it is not Pakistan’s war to fight and it has been a big burden on our economy. It is ultimately a dispute between the people of J&K and the state of India and not our headache.

Anyway, don’t deflect attention from your fake morality which has failed spectacularly and you don’t even feel guilty.
 
Is the policy different if Assad Umer had been in place, probably not. PK had to go to the IMF because Nooras bankrupted the country, the IMF for whatever reason didnt want Assad Umer, and he was sacked. Many of us also disagreed

It is “Asad” Umar not “Assad” Umar.

Asad Umar is not Syrian and no one in Pakistan is named Assad. I am sure plenty of Assads in Syria have been killed with your hard earned money.
 
Once again our resident false flag troll is polluting a perfectly sound thread with his anti Pakistani vitriol and pro Indian propaganda.
 
The Nooras complained that IK took to long to go to the IMF? Did IK know that the country had no reserves for Imports at all? Did he know that the budget deficit was running at 7.5% when officially it was running at least 2% lower. A bad patch is not the same as bankruptcy?

Bankrupting the country is revolutionary, BUT cleansing a nation of corruption and setting it on a course of economic prosperity is treason according to opponents of Naya Pakistan.
 
Large scale manufacturing has died down with increasing energy & overhead costs, finance costs, raw material cost increase, uncertain policies diminishing sales & recovery, increase in fuel & carriage costs, increase in taxation.

If these organizations are unable to produce profits, how can anyone expect taxes and economic progress?

By far, Punjab has suffered the most. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
Don’t go crying to the mods like a second grader goes to his principal. Don’t fret because I have showed you the mirror.

Saj and others here don’t strut around the ground advertising their honesty and morality like you do. If you are going to blow your own trumpet then you should also be prepared to hear cold, hard truths.

Your morality and honesty does not have a shred of credibility because you have no problem funding the terrorism of your government in the Middle-East and contributing to the deaths of thousands of innocent Muslims.

The worst part is that you don’t even feel guilty about it, which sums up your morality.



I don’t support Modi. My stance is that it is not Pakistan’s war to fight and it has been a big burden on our economy. It is ultimately a dispute between the people of J&K and the state of India and not our headache.

Anyway, don’t deflect attention from your fake morality which has failed spectacularly and you don’t even feel guilty.

Are you scared that you might be banned, oh dear. I don’t need the mods, but accusing people who live of the UK as being guilty of killing Muslims whilst using their websites really is new low. I have made mince meat out of you on any issue you have ever debated with me, you don’t have either the morality or the intellect to be on my level. Your just a mental midget who doesn’t even realise his hypocrisy and dishonesty. You are a product of corruption and hence you want to tarnish hard working honest people as people as immoral like yourself.
 
Large scale manufacturing has died down with increasing energy & overhead costs, finance costs, raw material cost increase, uncertain policies diminishing sales & recovery, increase in fuel & carriage costs, increase in taxation.

If these organizations are unable to produce profits, how can anyone expect taxes and economic progress?

By far, Punjab has suffered the most. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

So do you agree or disagree with Miftah or not?
 
It is “Asad” Umar not “Assad” Umar.

Asad Umar is not Syrian and no one in Pakistan is named Assad. I am sure plenty of Assads in Syria have been killed with your hard earned money.

Wow, this is really desperation. Next you would be telling it’s not Mohammed, it’s Muhammad. The hypocrisy of the mental midget strikes again.
 
Don’t go crying to the mods like a second grader goes to his principal. Don’t fret because I have showed you the mirror.

Saj and others here don’t strut around the ground advertising their honesty and morality like you do. If you are going to blow your own trumpet then you should also be prepared to hear cold, hard truths.

Your morality and honesty does not have a shred of credibility because you have no problem funding the terrorism of your government in the Middle-East and contributing to the deaths of thousands of innocent Muslims.

The worst part is that you don’t even feel guilty about it, which sums up your morality.



I don’t support Modi. My stance is that it is not Pakistan’s war to fight and it has been a big burden on our economy. It is ultimately a dispute between the people of J&K and the state of India and not our headache.

Anyway, don’t deflect attention from your fake morality which has failed spectacularly and you don’t even feel guilty.

As far as your for your Hindutuva friends are concerned, everyone knows that your trolling comes to bite you on your backside. A dishonest person brought up on corruption, not having the courage to condemn evil people, what a surprise!
 
Are you scared that you might be banned, oh dear. I don’t need the mods, but accusing people who live of the UK as being guilty of killing Muslims whilst using their websites really is new low. I have made mince meat out of you on any issue you have ever debated with me, you don’t have either the morality or the intellect to be on my level. Your just a mental midget who doesn’t even realise his hypocrisy and dishonesty. You are a product of corruption and hence you want to tarnish hard working honest people as people as immoral like yourself.

I don’t have a problem with people paying taxes to their western governments. I have a problem with people like you who advertise their morality.

You might be hard working but you are not honest - if you were honest, you would feel for the sufferings of the Muslims who are getting killed without your hard earned money.

The only hypocrisy here is on your part. You are clearly rattled which is why you ran to the mods for refuge.
 
As far as your for your Hindutuva friends are concerned, everyone knows that your trolling comes to bite you on your backside. A dishonest person brought up on corruption, not having the courage to condemn evil people, what a surprise!

Corruption is better than partaking in the killing thousands and displacing millions of Muslims from their homes.
 
I don’t have a problem with people paying taxes to their western governments. I have a problem with people like you who advertise their morality.

You might be hard working but you are not honest - if you were honest, you would feel for the sufferings of the Muslims who are getting killed without your hard earned money.

The only hypocrisy here is on your part. You are clearly rattled which is why you ran to the mods for refuge.

I have don't have problem with the children of the corrupt, I have problem with those children being dishonest and corrupt. I am hard working, I pay my taxes as obliged by the law and unlike you I am not a mental midget who has no idea what it's like to either work hard or pay taxes. Hypocrites are those that accuse Muslims in the UK of being party to murder and then use their websites. What a loser.
 
I have don't have problem with the children of the corrupt, I have problem with those children being dishonest and corrupt. I am hard working, I pay my taxes as obliged by the law and unlike you I am not a mental midget who has no idea what it's like to either work hard or pay taxes. Hypocrites are those that accuse Muslims in the UK of being party to murder and then use their websites. What a loser.

The real hypocrites are the ones who criticize the western governments for committing atrocities against Muslims while funding them at the same time. You need to look closer to home.
 
Corruption is better than partaking in the killing thousands and displacing millions of Muslims from their homes.

So your justification for your corruption is that UK has done bad things in the Middle East . This really is the intellectual level of someone in 1st school but when you are brought up on haram, then it's not unexpected. As I said your mental midgetness is even lower than I gave you credit for.
 
The real hypocrites are the ones who criticize the western governments for committing atrocities against Muslims while funding them at the same time. You need to look closer to home.

Your losing your nerve, you are on site setup by people in the UK and you are accusing them of being accessories to murder? See what being brought up on corruption does to tiny brains.
 
So your justification for your corruption is that UK has done bad things in the Middle East . This really is the intellectual level of someone in 1st school but when you are brought up on haram, then it's not unexpected. As I said your mental midgetness is even lower than I gave you credit for.

No, that is not my justification.

I think that someone like you, who gives money to the UK government so that they can sell chemical weapons and kill Muslims in the ME, are hypocrites to criticize others for their alleged corruption.
 
Your losing your nerve, you are on site setup by people in the UK and you are accusing them of being accessories to murder? See what being brought up on corruption does to tiny brains.

I am not accusing them. I am accusing you because you blow your own trumpet too much in order to hide your insecurities. I brought those insecurities to the surface and now you are clearly rattled.
 
No, that is not my justification.

I think that someone like you, who gives money to the UK government so that they can sell chemical weapons and kill Muslims in the ME, are hypocrites to criticize others for their alleged corruption.

That is exactly your pathetic justification, and I don't give money, its called taxation, and we pay it because its the law. I know you don't know what taxation is, it's what hard working people, you only know it as daddies free money from FBR
 
I am not accusing them. I am accusing you because you blow your own trumpet too much in order to hide your insecurities. I brought those insecurities to the surface and now you are clearly rattled.

So let me get this straight, I am the only one guilty of funding the British govt which spends £600bn+, and the reason for that is I hate corrupt dishonest people like you. The mental midget strikes again. No wonder, its so easy to beat dishonest people in discussion. They have such low intellects.
 
That is exactly your pathetic justification, and I don't give money, its called taxation, and we pay it because its the law. I know you don't know what taxation is, it's what hard working people, you only know it as daddies free money from FBR

There is no such law that prevents you from living in the UK. If you really are a champion of morality as you proclaim, why don’t you pack up your bags, leave the UK and return to Pakistan?

You can use your experience in the academic sector to improve the education system here and you will also avoid funding the killings of Muslims.

But no, innocent Muslims can die and be forced to leave their homes. Your income in £££ and the first world lifestyle that you and your family enjoy are more important.

Your moral compass is amazing.
 
So let me get this straight, I am the only one guilty of funding the British govt which spends £600bn+, and the reason for that is I hate corrupt dishonest people like you. The mental midget strikes again. No wonder, its so easy to beat dishonest people in discussion. They have such low intellects.

You aren’t the only one. I have such people in my family too. Every British and American Pakistani who pays taxes falls into this bracket.

However, most of them are smart enough to not blow their own trumpets and not delude themselves on how moral they are. You on the other hand can’t see irony even when it hits you on the face.
 
Listen to the guy who hates Pakistan, says he is unfortunate to be a Pakistani, and states India is far better, decides to stick around in Pakistan himself, but advises other to leave a country if they are not content!

Epitome of hypocrisy!

:)))
 
There is no point arguing. It is well established and known that corrupt and crook Pakistanis have never paid taxes in their life. They have no clue yet have a go at others for paying taxes!

I thought Hindudtva was the biggest threat to Pakistan but it seems the true enemy is the enemy from within!
 
You aren’t the only one. I have such people in my family too. Every British and American Pakistani who pays taxes falls into this bracket.

However, most of them are smart enough to not blow their own trumpets and not delude themselves on how moral they are. You on the other hand can’t see irony even when it hits you on the face.

Let's face it, nobody is as immoral you, you support Modi and you support people who have made it as their life mission to steal from a poor country. As I said to you, nobody is perfect and Allah will decide, but if you think that you can get a free ride from me on this forum because you equate your corruption with what the British govt does, then not only are you a mental midget, you are deluded mental midget.
 
There is no such law that prevents you from living in the UK. If you really are a champion of morality as you proclaim, why don’t you pack up your bags, leave the UK and return to Pakistan?

You can use your experience in the academic sector to improve the education system here and you will also avoid funding the killings of Muslims.

But no, innocent Muslims can die and be forced to leave their homes. Your income in £££ and the first world lifestyle that you and your family enjoy are more important.

Your moral compass is amazing.

My father had to leave because corrupt people like your father stole his taxes. Maybe, if your ilk kept their greedy fingers out of the till, he would have never left PK, and I would have still been there.
 
Let's face it, nobody is as immoral you, you support Modi and you support people who have made it as their life mission to steal from a poor country. As I said to you, nobody is perfect and Allah will decide, but if you think that you can get a free ride from me on this forum because you equate your corruption with what the British govt does, then not only are you a mental midget, you are deluded mental midget.

I think you are improving. You went from championing your morality to conceding that nobody is perfect and Allah SWT will decide who is moral and who is not.

I call that progress.
 
My father had to leave because corrupt people like your father stole his taxes. Maybe, if your ilk kept their greedy fingers out of the till, he would have never left PK, and I would have still been there.

Cool story, but hasn’t Imran ended corruption and isn’t Naya Pakistan all about justice now?

So what is stopping you from coming back now? It is also very easy to do business here now. I am sure you won’t have any trouble setting up a business in the newly established Madinah welfare state.
 
There is no point arguing. It is well established and known that corrupt and crook Pakistanis have never paid taxes in their life. They have no clue yet have a go at others for paying taxes!

I thought Hindudtva was the biggest threat to Pakistan but it seems the true enemy is the enemy from within!

What a hypocrite he is, he accuses all PK in the UK of supporting crimes against Muslims,without realising that he is on website created by a British PK, then when it's pointed out, he says I didn't mean him or anyone else, I Just meant you because you keep pointing out that corruption is bad.
 
What a hypocrite he is, he accuses all PK in the UK of supporting crimes against Muslims,without realising that he is on website created by a British PK, then when it's pointed out, he says I didn't mean him or anyone else, I Just meant you because you keep pointing out that corruption is bad.

He's cleaned out. You have reduced his arguments to dust and as expected he is posting in damage control mode. Standard mode of operation. Remember the time he got exposed during the WC, and he blamed it on a hack. The reality is he is the only cheap hack here. He contributes zero substance, repeats the same opinion over and over again [CTRL C + V], and provide no alternatives. His mission is to post essays and hate against everything that is Pakistan and Islam. I said before, he serves no purpose anyway other than serve as a reminder that life could be a lot worse than it is.

He, and people like him, are the reason why Pakistan is in the state it is today. He has done nothing for Pakistan. He even admitted is is on paid leave for a month! What is he doing? Squandering his time on the internet trying to defend his corner and lies.

His ilk are not the future, they are the past, history, and dust.

Here's to a bright future of Pakistan! :19:
 
Cool story, but hasn’t Imran ended corruption and isn’t Naya Pakistan all about justice now?

So what is stopping you from coming back now? It is also very easy to do business here now. I am sure you won’t have any trouble setting up a business in the newly established Madinah welfare state.

Naya PK is about justice, and IA I will come home. But as you will not know, because your daddy used our money to give you an "education", and I use that in its loosest sense, we have settled families outside PK, in FT education.
 
Naya PK is about justice, and IA I will come home. But as you will not know, because your daddy used our money to give you an "education", and I use that in its loosest sense, we have settled families outside PK, in FT education.

And the excuses start. It’s okay - we both know you will not come back to Pakistan because you cannot walk the talk.

Keep paying the UK government to facilitate the killings of Assads on the orders of their Pentagon masters.
 
And the excuses start. It’s okay - we both know you will not come back to Pakistan because you cannot walk the talk.

Keep paying the UK government to facilitate the killings of Assads on the orders of their Pentagon masters.

Oh dear, the hypocritical( on a website owned British PK) mental midget strikes again. Still looking to justify your upbringing and thefts, well you need to do better than accusing us of paying taxes. Yes taxes, lol!!
 
Oh dear, the hypocritical( on a website owned British PK) mental midget strikes again. Still looking to justify your upbringing and thefts, well you need to do better than accusing us of paying taxes. Yes taxes, lol!!

Brilliant raise!

If this was a poker game, you have the nuts, and he is going all in with an off suit 7 & 2!

Great heads up match!
 
Brilliant raise!

If this was a poker game, you have the nuts, and he is going all in with an off suit 7 & 2!

Great heads up match!

I can’t remember the last time I had debate with such a mental midget that I felt like I am Einstein in comparison. To justify his and his family’s own corruption and immorality he compares to the British govts Foreign Policy. Lol
 
I can’t remember the last time I had debate with such a mental midget that I felt like I am Einstein in comparison. To justify his and his family’s own corruption and immorality he compares to the British govts Foreign Policy. Lol

You want to know the funny part? People like him are the first to travel to the UK, be it on holiday, or asylum!
 
[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]

It is highly likely.

But what I'm telling you to do is impossible for you.
 
[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]

It is highly likely.

But what I'm telling you to do is impossible for you.

Still waiting for a reply- If your going to comment, at least have the courage to reply. These conditions were created by the people that you are here to defend, and thats the reason you cant reply.
 
The economy mess is Imran Khan's fault

Recently had a discussion with my friend in Pakistan who is a businessman and likes Imran Khan. I asked him that there are so many reports from Pakistan that in PTI's rule the economy has gone worst, are those reports correct? He said they are all correct. I then told him that means Imran Khan's rule has not been good for Pakistan and then (as a Imran Khan fan) he said its not Imran Khan's fault but the people surrounding him are not good blah blah blah.

What these Imran Khan fans are not getting is that Imran Khan himself choose all these people to surround him who they are trying to blame now for the economy mess. If these guys are so incompetent then why Imran Khan choose them? The buck stops at Imran Khan.
 
Recently had a discussion with my friend in Pakistan who is a businessman and likes Imran Khan. I asked him that there are so many reports from Pakistan that in PTI's rule the economy has gone worst, are those reports correct? He said they are all correct. I then told him that means Imran Khan's rule has not been good for Pakistan and then (as a Imran Khan fan) he said its not Imran Khan's fault but the people surrounding him are not good blah blah blah.

What these Imran Khan fans are not getting is that Imran Khan himself choose all these people to surround him who they are trying to blame now for the economy mess. If these guys are so incompetent then why Imran Khan choose them? The buck stops at Imran Khan.

As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has highlighted on various occasions IK's decision to sack perhaps Pakistan's best economist: Atif Mian, due to the pressure mounted by religious fanatics (just because he was Ahmadi) was wrong and epitomises how he has been the chief culprit of Pakistan's worrying economical state. There is no regard for meritocracy and if he doesn't want to utilise the expertise of competent individuals, the economy will continue to decline.

Never did I ever envisage the day would come, where we would see £1 GBP would buy 200 Pakistani Rupees.
 
Any PM wanted to fix current Pakistan's economy with limited resource would have been in similar situation initially.

I just failed to understand why people forget this point?

Pakistan had 3 choices, PPP, PML-N and PTI. Out of 3 which Party would have made honest effort to fix the economy for the people of Pakistan?

It is a long term process, PPP and PML-N had multiple chances, nothing changed, they gave short term relieve.
 
As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has highlighted on various occasions IK's decision to sack perhaps Pakistan's best economist: Atif Mian, due to the pressure mounted by religious fanatics (just because he was Ahmadi) was wrong and epitomises how he has been the chief culprit of Pakistan's worrying economical state. There is no regard for meritocracy and if he doesn't want to utilise the expertise of competent individuals, the economy will continue to decline.

Never did I ever envisage the day would come, where we would see £1 GBP would buy 200 Pakistani Rupees.

Every one with little knowledge of economy did, if you knew how PML-N artificially kept USD exchange rate low. Many saw that 2 years before general elections.

It wasn't that difficult to figure out as to why would it had to happen and I'm glad that I made correct decision a year before general elections.
 
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Every one with little knowledge of economy did, if you knew how PML-N artificially kept USD exchange rate low. Many saw that 2 years before general elections.

It wasn't that difficult to figure out as to why would it had to happen and I'm glad that I made correct decision a year before general elections.
what correct decision you made?
 
As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has highlighted on various occasions IK's decision to sack perhaps Pakistan's best economist: Atif Mian, due to the pressure mounted by religious fanatics (just because he was Ahmadi) was wrong and epitomises how he has been the chief culprit of Pakistan's worrying economical state. There is no regard for meritocracy and if he doesn't want to utilise the expertise of competent individuals, the economy will continue to decline.

Never did I ever envisage the day would come, where we would see £1 GBP would buy 200 Pakistani Rupees.

Atif was just like an adviser and his advice would have been the same as what the IMF forced on PK. Stop making him out as the only person in the world who knows that borrowing money and over valued exchange rates were the heart of our problems. My A level students could have told you that. But what your friend [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] didn't tell you is that he supports those people that passed resolution against Atif Mian.
 
Recently had a discussion with my friend in Pakistan who is a businessman and likes Imran Khan. I asked him that there are so many reports from Pakistan that in PTI's rule the economy has gone worst, are those reports correct? He said they are all correct. I then told him that means Imran Khan's rule has not been good for Pakistan and then (as a Imran Khan fan) he said its not Imran Khan's fault but the people surrounding him are not good blah blah blah.

What these Imran Khan fans are not getting is that Imran Khan himself choose all these people to surround him who they are trying to blame now for the economy mess. If these guys are so incompetent then why Imran Khan choose them? The buck stops at Imran Khan.

So what did he do wrong? Please explain, because both [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4139]hamza[/MENTION] runs when I ask them. So the forum is yours
 
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So what did he do wrong? Please explain, because both [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4139]hamza[/MENTION] runs when I ask them. So the forum is yours
If he did not do any thing wrong then why the Pakistanis are suffering so much and having hard time bringing food on table?
 
If he did not do any thing wrong then why the Pakistanis are suffering so much and having hard time bringing food on table?

Maybe you need to look at what the Nooras left behind. I am sure you don't lecture you like I have to Mamoon on economics but suffice to say that an overvalued exchange rate leading to an unsustainable current account deficit, and too much borrowing have led us to this position.
 
And the excuses start. It’s okay - we both know you will not come back to Pakistan because you cannot walk the talk.

Keep paying the UK government to facilitate the killings of Assads on the orders of their Pentagon masters.

Since you love quoting top trends on Twitter..... guess what today's top trend in Pak was "bhagora bhaag raha hai"..... :moyo2


Must be such a pain in the behind for you to live in a country where majority are "cult member".....


Ro patwari ro.... nahi milien gaye lifafay ab :sree
 
LONDON: Pakistan issued a tender on Friday to buy five cargoes of liquefied natural gas (LNG) for delivery in January 2020, Pakistan LNG documents showed.

The delivery windows are Jan 6-7, Jan 11-12, Jan 16-17, Jan 23-24 and Jan 28-29. The deadline to submit offers is on Nov 26.

Asian spot prices for LNG slipped this week, weighed by global oversupply and rising floating storage, which offset some buying interest and plant maintenance, which reduced production.

The average LNG price for December delivery into northeast Asia was estimated at $6.30 per million British thermal units (mmBtu), $0.50/mmBtu down from last week.

Buyers from Japan, South Korea and Pakistan came to the market looking for winter cargoes, but market sources said it was not enough to reduce a significant global oversupply, adding that the market was overpriced in recent weeks.

The number of vessels floating with cargoes on board soared to 28 from 19 in the past week, according to data provider Kpler.

The majority of those cargoes were loaded close to a month ago or more, with some loaded back in August, meaning that sellers may be under pressure to unload them as soon as possible.

“Generally you cannot store LNG on a vessel for more than two months due to its ageing and boil-off,” one LNG trader said, referring to natural evaporation.

“Those who have been floating LNG for 1.5 months are likely offering cargoes with a significant discount, which puts pressure on the market.” At least five tankers from the floating storage were loaded close to 1.5 months ago or more.

The drop in Asian prices has resulted in a tighter spread between Europe and Asia, with the arbitrage for cargoes from the United States to Asia closing this week.

The trade from the Atlantic basin to the Pacific has also been impacted by high shipping rates.

Rates were estimated at around $130,000-140,000 per day this week. Two shipping sources said that there was also a deal at $150,000/day in the Atlantic basin this week.

Demand

JERA Global Markets (JERAGM) this week closed a tender for up to 0.5 million tonnes of spot LNG for delivery in the first quarter of 2020.

South Korea’s KOGAS, which was looking to buy spot LNG after buying three November cargoes, might have bought up to 15 cargoes for January and February delivery, two trade sources said. This could not be immediately confirmed.

Also in South Korea, POSCO and SK were jointly looking to buy a cargo for December delivery, one trader said.

High stock levels across northeast Asia and low Chinese demand impacted prices, however.

Outages

On the supply side, a number of outages are reducing supply somewhat, but that is also not enough to balance the market.

RasGas Train 6 and 7 in Qatar went offline this week for planned maintenance, but customers were expected to receive their supply.

There are ongoing issues at the Cameron LNG project in the United States, several sources said.

The last cargo was loaded there on Oct. 11, Refintiv Eikon data showed.

“Cameron LNG does not comment on commercial arrangements between Cameron and its customers; however, we continue to produce LNG and load cargos in accordance with the schedule agreed with our customers,” Cameron LNG spokeswoman told Reuters this week.

Feedgas at another new US export plant, Freeport, was reduced this week, with Kpler reporting ongoing issues during commissioning.

There are also maintenance works at Australia’s Gorgon and North West Shelf projects.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1513018/pakistan-floats-tender-to-buy-5-lng-cargoes-for-january.
 
KARACHI: Flour millers on Saturday further pushed up rates after the Sindh government increased the wheat issue price to Rs3,450 per 100 kg bag from last year’s Rs3,250.

After the fresh hike, the flour no.2.5 and 10 kg bag rates have been fixed at Rs48 per kg and 10kg bag at Rs485 as compared to Rs 47.50 and Rs 480. The new rates issued by the millers for Maida and fine flour are Rs52.50 as compared to Rs50.50.

In April, the rates of flour no.2.5 and 10kg bag were Rs33.50 per kg and Rs340 respectively, while maida and fine flour were available at Rs36.50 per kg.

With fresh price hike in flour varieties, the makers of 5kg and 10kg bags of Bake Parlor and Ashrafi are likely to jack up prices further higher. The prices of two high-selling brands have already been raised to Rs290-300 and Rs580 from Rs270-280 and Rs540.

The flour no.2.5 price was raised by Rs14.50 per kg, maida and fine flour by Rs16, while the 10-kg bag by Rs145 during the April-October period. Chakki flour rate had been increased by Rs 18 per kg from April till to date.

Provincial and the federal governments had so far not taken any serious notice of massive price hike in main staple food from April on wards. Only meetings are being held regularly at the federal capital to monitor price hike situation in the country rather than taking any practical steps to curb prices.

Flour millers claimed that traders in the open market have resorted to hoarding on available wheat stocks while some are releasing 100kg wheat bag at Rs4,400 as compared to Rs4,300. Despite a good crop and sizable carry-over stocks of last year, the 100kg wheat bag price had risen by Rs1,400 since April.

Pakistan Flour Mills Association, Sindh Zone, chairman Khalid Masood said the Rs200 hike in wheat issue price for 100 kg bag has nothing to do with Saturday’s hike in flour prices by the millers.

He attributed flour price rise to Rs100 hike in wheat bag price in the open market. Wheat is continuously getting shorter in the open market as Sindh wheat had been going out to Punjab for the last six months while the Punjab government has recently imposed ban on inter-provincial wheat and flour movement.

He said the Sindh government had not procured wheat this year and it had announced the issue price based on old stocks of last year.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1513205/flour-prices-rise-by-up-to-rs16-per-kg-since-april.
 
By this logic a person should stick with a bad choice, decision and not correct a mistake ever, some of the logic by diehard PML N, PPP supporters is just baffling. Have the PPP and PML-N never changed ministers during their tenure?

He preached a revolution, not a mistake. And I have nothing to do with PPPP and PML-N.
 
How is not going to the IMF revolutionary?

We all get it you prefer a darker more corrupt Pakistan than Naya Pakistan.

I am fully aware of the ground realities, and here is one for you, IK was not voted in power because of his IMF *revolutionary* promise, he was voted in power because people had enough of the old establishment. If you fail to realize this, then I should be the one asking you, was this the first time you were allowed to vote?

Going to IMF means taking loans, so loans are a burden, hence anyone resisting such a thing and suggesting an alternative is definitely a revolutionary claim. He himself once said whoever gives you loan snatches your freedom.

Whoa, what a judgement, without any evidence.

People had enough of the old establishment, was one of the reasons, not the ultimate reason. This clearly shows you are not aware of the ground realities.
 
Going to IMF means taking loans, so loans are a burden, hence anyone resisting such a thing and suggesting an alternative is definitely a revolutionary claim. He himself once said whoever gives you loan snatches your freedom.

Whoa, what a judgement, without any evidence.

People had enough of the old establishment, was one of the reasons, not the ultimate reason. This clearly shows you are not aware of the ground realities.

As we have seen in the last week, the mafia still control most things. Patience is needed but IA, he will get there. Otherwise its back to Maryam and Billo.
 
Going to IMF means taking loans, so loans are a burden, hence anyone resisting such a thing and suggesting an alternative is definitely a revolutionary claim. He himself once said whoever gives you loan snatches your freedom.

Whoa, what a judgement, without any evidence.

People had enough of the old establishment, was one of the reasons, not the ultimate reason. This clearly shows you are not aware of the ground realities.

You have said nothing that counters what I have said. Name the ultimate reason if what you say holds any water.

Forget about ground realities for a minute, you obviously have no clue on economics.

Loans to nations come in all forms, whether IMF loans, or issuing Bonds. Look it up.

In fact, come back to me when you let me know which nation on earth does NOT take a loan in some form and when you post this *ultimate* reason of yours.
 
You have said nothing that counters what I have said. Name the ultimate reason if what you say holds any water.

Forget about ground realities for a minute, you obviously have no clue on economics.

Loans to nations come in all forms, whether IMF loans, or issuing Bonds. Look it up.

In fact, come back to me when you let me know which nation on earth does NOT take a loan in some form and when you post this *ultimate* reason of yours.

I was just pointing out what he didn't fulfil.
 
I was just pointing out what he didn't fulfil.

You said "People had enough of the old establishment, was one of the reasons, not the ultimate reason".

You cannot say the ultimate reason is he did not fulfill promises because fulfilling promises can only take place once he was voted into power.

What is the ultimate reason people voted IK for?
 
The ruppee has risen Rs. 5 to the dollar in the last 4 months and not a peep in the media, remember when it would fall just 0.5 ruppees there would be shor sharaba on the media and brown lifafa types like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would be slitting wrists and wailing like a widow. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]
 
You said "People had enough of the old establishment, was one of the reasons, not the ultimate reason".

You cannot say the ultimate reason is he did not fulfill promises because fulfilling promises can only take place once he was voted into power.

What is the ultimate reason people voted IK for?

The ultimate reason was his vision, which consisted of revolutionary claims (including resisting IMF and people had enough of the old establishment etc).
 
The ruppee has risen Rs. 5 to the dollar in the last 4 months and not a peep in the media, remember when it would fall just 0.5 ruppees there would be shor sharaba on the media and brown lifafa types like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would be slitting wrists and wailing like a widow. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

These losers are worried that IK has started to turn the tide from the disaster they left behind. It will take time, but the Current Account has started to come under control, the number of tax filers has increased. I had interesting conversation with "chacha"( he collects rent for our Kothi) yesterday about tax. He said the tax regime is stricter- you can only file online and he was really annoyed because it didn't happen under NS.
 
They are not an option for me, as both are dynastic politicians. Never supported PPPP and PMLN.

If that is the case, then you will have to weight up your options. I like people who are honestly ideological, even though I may disagree with them.
 
If that is the case, then you will have to weight up your options. I like people who are honestly ideological, even though I may disagree with them.

For the time being I want PM IK to complete his term. There is always hope that he can turn it around, as he still has 4 years to go.
 
IA it happen but it will be very difficult.

Inshallah indeed!

History tells us Governments which usher in economic prosperity, will struggle for the first few years, if not first term.

This time next year I have no doubt Pakistan will be a much better economic shape. People just need to be patient and have faith in their non corrupt leader.
 
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