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What do you think are his biggest contributions to Pakistan during his era of dictatorship? Have we really gotten over his legacy?
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I have always heard negative things about him and that a lot of Pakistan's problems are created by him.

I think his legacy is providing a footing to many undeserving people who continue to hurt Pakistan even to this day along with how his reign effected society which I hear used to be different.
 
I have always heard negative things about him and that a lot of Pakistan's problems are created by him.

I think his legacy is providing a footing to many undeserving people who continue to hurt Pakistan even to this day along with how his reign effected society which I hear used to be different.

I believe he did introduce a lot of evils that plague us to this day. I will shed some more light on them when I have time but I wanted to hear the views of perhaps the younger generation who never lived through his time and give them a chance to express their views on him.
 
The most hated person in our history and rightly so. He is glorified by the religious and conservatives.

He has no legacy. He betrayed and hanged our PM. Even the constitution says he cannot be called as president.

He came up with the 4 male witness law for rape which was quite ironic as a blind girl during his time was raped but couldnt identify the people, thus, the law was held against her for zina.

Pakistanis of today dont know the evils that zia installed to be honest. Only the older generation knows. From time to time a campaign starts where they try to glorify him but it fails.

If this country can glorify someone like hamid gul, than zia is nothing
 
Scumbag. Got rid of the inspirational leader that the country had. Laid the foundations of the problems that Pakistan still faces today.

Ironically, with the help of ZAB's enemy - the US and Zia's servants, Pakistan is repeating the same mistake with IK.
 
General Zia Ul Hag, took part in Black September and caused the killings of 100s of Palestinians.
 
I haven’t seen a single Pakistani apart from Zaid Hamid say anything good about Zia Ul Haq.
 
Most of the evils plaguing Pakistan and it’s politics are actually borne out of Zia’s martial law. A lot of my friends in Pakistan think of him as a hero but I think you have to be a little more “liberated” and well read to see he was able to brainwash a country and culture and push us towards extremism.
 
Pakistan's decline coincided with its decision to be a pawn in the Cold War between the US and the Soviet Union. Zia-ul-Haq took this decision.

The Cold War is 30 years over, but Pakistan is still suffering from its effects.
 
I haven’t seen a single Pakistani apart from Zaid Hamid say anything good about Zia Ul Haq.

General Zia's tomb is outside of Faisal Masjid. Millions every year visit it to say their duas.

The General did some bad things but he changed the future of not only Pakistan in terms of its security but changed the global threat against Pakistan from high to low. It was General Zia who played the Americans, forced them to provide F16's amongst other military weapons while seeing the opporrtuhnity to complete the nuclear weapons programme.

Under Zia Pakistans economy in the 80's was at one of the highest levels in Pakistani history. If it wasnt for Zia Pakistan would be like Iraq, Syria, Libya or other Muslim nations which have been attacked by US/zionists.

I wouldnt take views on an internet forum by annonymous posters to be the truth, do you own research and use some basic logic and common sense.
 
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Well you are clueless on this subject.

General Zia's tomb is outside of Faisal Masjid. Millions every year visit it to say their duas.

The General did some bad things but he changed the future of not only Pakistan in terms of its security but changed the global threat against Pakistan from high to low. It was General Zia who played the Americans, forced them to provide F16's amongst other military weapons while seeing the opporrtuhnity to complete the nuclear weapons programme.

Under Zia Pakistans economy in the 80's was at one of the highest levels in Pakistani history. If it wasnt for Zia Pakistan would be like Iraq, Syria, Libya or other Muslim nations which have been attacked by US/zionists.

I wouldnt take views on an internet forum by annonymous posters to be the truth, do you own research and use some basic logic and common sense.

Millions? Barely people even go there to say dua. Its just a sight seeing.

It only has zias tooth in it
 
Millions? Barely people even go there to say dua. Its just a sight seeing.

It only has zias tooth in it

Lol it’s best for people to do their own research in terms of numbers . As a zardari supporter & ppp of course you can’t sleep if you hear his name .

Zia is more popular now even dead than zardari lol
 
Lol it’s best for people to do their own research in terms of numbers . As a zardari supporter & ppp of course you can’t sleep if you hear his name .

Zia is more popular now even dead than zardari lol

lol, haha, its best to live in the country and in the city to have accurate info rather than making statements while living abroad and not knowing anything at ground.

It doesnt get millions of visitors. And the PPP supporters that you mentioned, they follow a tradition of spitting on his grave literally. If you live here you would know this stuff, instead of claiming that millions visit his grave
 
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Most of the evils plaguing Pakistan and it’s politics are actually borne out of Zia’s martial law. A lot of my friends in Pakistan think of him as a hero but I think you have to be a little more “liberated” and well read to see he was able to brainwash a country and culture and push us towards extremism.

I've spent a fair bit of time in Pakistan and haven't met anyone who called him a hero.

At the very least some idiots give him credit for introducing some aspects of 'sharia'

Of course this is anecdotal and depends on who you meet/speak to but I personally feel the hero worshippers are very much a minority.
 
lmao, lol, haha, its best to live in the country and in the city to have accurate info rather than making statements while living abroad and not knowing anything at ground.

It doesnt get millions of visitors. And the PPP supporters that you mentioned, they follow a tradition of spitting on his grave literally. If you live here you would know this stuff, instead of claiming that millions visit his grave

According to you zardari is more loved than Zia lol

Spitting on a dead man’s grave just proves how jahil ppp supporters. My advice is be careful , the army will lock you up & thrash you if caught.

Millions have visited his tomb , perhaps thousands yearly . The point was Zia isn’t hated by all Pakistanis , this is a lie .

Zia is far more popular than zardari ,. Correct ?
 
I've spent a fair bit of time in Pakistan and haven't met anyone who called him a hero.

At the very least some idiots give him credit for introducing some aspects of 'sharia'

Of course this is anecdotal and depends on who you meet/speak to but I personally feel the hero worshippers are very much a minority.

Depends where you live , who you speak to & their alliances .

I would again advise to do research . Just see Zias funeral , huge turnout & millions mourning all over the country.

When the likes of Zardari die , millions will celebrate & rightly so
 
A despicable, bloodthirsty and hateful man who destroyed the social fabric of the country and pushed it into extremism and backwardness.
 
Depends where you live , who you speak to & their alliances .

I would again advise to do research . Just see Zias funeral , huge turnout & millions mourning all over the country.

When the likes of Zardari die , millions will celebrate & rightly so

Funerals are no barometer for popularity in Pakistan.

Zardari funeral will be mobbed, theres just that many people in Pakistan that most major events will get a turn out.

Similarly funerals for dictators that have the whole political machine behind them should be taken with a pinch of salt.

ZAB despite his flaws is still the most popular leader Pakistan ever had. To the extent that Imran constantly compares himself to him in his jalsas.

The murderer of Bhutto will naturally be mainly despised in Pakistan no matter where people are from or who their alliances lay with.
 
Bought N league into existence. Bought Nawaz to serve in his cabinet. Still suffering from that decision and that decision alone looks like is about to cost Pakistan in a huge way.

This is not even mentioning the horrible extremism he encouraged in our society.

The only positive thing was he didn't cower against the Indians. But everything bad he did massively overshadows anything good he did.
 
According to you zardari is more loved than Zia lol

Spitting on a dead man’s grave just proves how jahil ppp supporters. My advice is be careful , the army will lock you up & thrash you if caught.

Millions have visited his tomb , perhaps thousands yearly . The point was Zia isn’t hated by all Pakistanis , this is a lie .

Zia is far more popular than zardari ,. Correct ?

like i said, ppp supporters spit on his grave and army cant go around locking someone for spitting his grave. When he died, people were giving out mithai. His death was celebrated :)

no millions have visited his grave. Majority people ignore it. Dont know where you get your info from.

like i said, plz live in the country or atleast dont generalize your view.

As for Zardari, Zardari isn't insulted constitutionally. Zia is insulted even by the constitution as it states that Zia can never be referred as president. Constitutionally, Zardari was an ex President, Zia was not :)
 
I think this article captures it well:
https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/the-dogged-legacy-of-pakistan-s-most-destructive-dictator--8555


The revolving door of democracy and dictatorship took Pakistan from a rising nation, to a reviled one. General Zia ul Haq's imprint on society and institutions runs so deep that decades after his death, Pakistanis are still failing to overpower it.

On the 5th of July 1977, Pakistan's Army Chief General Zia ul Haq deposed the country's elected Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and declared Martial Law to commence Pakistan's third and longest military dictatorship in its history. Few realised then the extent of the catastrophic consequences his regime would have, for Pakistan and the world.

Over the course of the next decade, after having Bhutto executed, Zia fundamentally transformed Pakistan's polity, creating an almost entirely theocratic form of government, empowering society's most violent and intolerant impulses and undermining the basis of a plural and democratic political structure in Pakistan for decades to come.

To understand Zia's impact on Pakistan 40 years on, it is important to understand what made his political project so distinctive (and so resistant to erosion).

Zia today occupies a uniquely contradictory position in Pakistan. Despite the endurance of his imprint on the country, he is more reviled than at any point since his assassination in 1988. Once feted as a global anti-communist and Islamic stalwart by the United States and Saudi Arabia, his birth and death anniversaries now pass without official commemoration, while the anniversary of his coup is observed as a ‘Black Day' by Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) and other opposition groups.

The current Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, once a veritable protégé of the dictator, now actively distances himself from Zia's name and legacy. The army that Zia headed makes no attempt to memorialise him, conscious of the unwanted baggage of his association.

For those witness to Pakistan's trajectory over the past decade and a half, such attitudes are unsurprising. The contradictions inherent in Zia's attempt to construct a hardline religious identity – with financial patronage from Gulf states, primarily Saudi Arabia – for Pakistan have collapsed upon themselves devastatingly with the passage of time.

Zia's cultivation and arming of organised jihadist groups in the CIA-sponsored Afghan Jihad led to untold death and destruction in the country – with estimates ranging from 60-80,000 dead over the last 15 years - while turning Pakistan into a hub for global jihad.

The dreaded blasphemy laws he strengthened became a convenient tool for the persecution and dispossession of minorities and other vulnerable groups. Shia Muslims in particular witnessed rising attacks during and after his reign, as armed Sunni sectarian groups multiplied under the sanction of his hardline Sunni-Deobandi-influenced regime, killing thousands.

Women's social progress was set back by years as violently patriarchal legislation like the Hudood laws enabled grotesque levels of gender-based violence and a culture of social and legal impunity for crimes against women.

Yet, despite his personal unpopularity, Zia's institutional and ideological legacy remains largely intact and unchallenged. Some of his legal ‘reforms' – such as the death penalty for blasphemy – have even gained in popularity, with few political forces now willing to openly challenge such changes.

Part of the answer for why has to do with the success of his ideological project of Islamisation, which shifted society fundamentally rightward. Pakistan was of course no secular utopia prior to his takeover; yet the political landscape before Zia was vastly more progressive.

After the ‘71 election, the country was ruled by Bhutto's Left-Populist PPP, elected on a platform of economic sovereignty, land reform and social welfare, while the main opposition was led by the Far-Left and secular National Awami Party (NAP), which ruled in the country's western provinces. Organised labour and student unions dominated by the Left were influential political actors. Crucially, the infrastructure of militant jihad was nearly non-existent.

Many commentators today correctly point out that the Islamisation of Pakistan's constitution and breakdown of democratic politics began not under Zia but Bhutto, who introduced the 2nd Constitutional Amendment declaring the Ahmedi sect non-Muslim, created an Islamic Ideology Council and later banned alcohol, all to appease the Islamist Right. Yet Bhutto's own mistakes, real though they were, are often used to distract from the sheer scale and durability of Zia's changes, which were considerably more far-reaching.

Zia's ideological project went deeper into the foundations of Pakistani state and society than any before or after him. Beyond just the well-known expansion of fundamentalist seminaries under his rule, his education policies – envisioned to induce a ‘loyalty to Islam and Pakistan' and a ‘living consciousness of ideological identity' - mandated a narrow religious and historical pedagogy in the curriculum at all grade levels that glorified war and conquest, demonised minorities and vilified critical and secular thought.

Public sector universities where students had challenged previous military regimes were purged of progressive teachers and replaced by faculty with ties to the Jamaat-e-Islami. The (mostly Sunni-Deobandi) clergy was accommodated in state institutions by the tens of thousands, from the upper echelons of the judiciary to the lowest rungs of the civil-military bureaucracy.

Recent studies have shown how a large part of the generation that was born in the wake of his regime (now the majority of Pakistan's population, aptly referred to by some as the ‘Zia Generation') grew up to reflect his worldview on everything from the military's role in politics, to nostalgia about a romanticised Islamic past. Even as Zia's figure became tainted, his ideas continued to infect unwitting minds.

Yet, the generational endurance of Zia's influence is not solely a consequence of ideology but institutional reengineering. Zia also systematically dismantled Pakistan's political institutions, effectively undermining people's very ability to organise and engage in political resistance.

The prolonged restrictions on political activity and blanket bans on party-based electoral competition throughout his regime – to prevent the consolidation of resistance to his rule – deeply disfigured Pakistan's political system.

Scholars like Ali Cheema have pointed out how Zia's institution of non-party elections led to a fragmentation and localization of political issues and the loss of more universalistic bases of political participation. Gradually, politics transformed from the relatively ideological and participatory arena of the ‘70s to a collection of local, informal relationships between patrons and clients for the distribution of state resources along narrow clan, ethnic or religious lines in a process managed by the civil-military bureaucracy.

To this day, in the absence of sufficiently evolved formal political parties, the Pakistani electoral system continues to revolve around powerful local dynasties, most of whom have little loyalty to ideology or even to their own party.

Other institutions for collective action were also decimated by Zia. Trade union strikes and demonstrations were banned for nearly a decade under martial law, while trade unionism was banned altogether in the bulk of the public sector.

The US-allied regime, coinciding with the rise of the neoliberal consensus, was catastrophic for the trade union movement, whose membership dropped by 20 percent under his rule and never recovered; today, Pakistan boasts one of the least organised labour forces in the world (with unionisation at less than 3%).

Student unions, then one of the main vehicles of ideological resistance to dictatorship and fundamentalism, were banned altogether by the regime in 1984; 33 years later, they remain proscribed. As the main spaces for progressive and working class organisation were dismantled, the only ideological political project that survived was that of the Islamist Right.

It is perhaps understandable, though not excusable, that subsequent civilian governments have left Zia's ideological legacy untouched, fearing the fallout from an electorate that has grown visibly more conservative.

Undoing his imprint on political institutions however – for instance, by lifting restrictions on unions - is much more immediately feasible; that it has still not happened speaks more to the myopic considerations of political and economic elites fearful of losing their positions under conditions of strengthened democratic institutions.

As Pakistan inches toward completing two uninterrupted democratic cycles, with a young population eager to progress beyond cycles of war and terror, there are new opportunities to disassemble Zia's destructive inheritance. For this to happen, whatever remains of progressive political leadership in Pakistan will have to step up and move beyond cathartic condemnations and declare war on Zia's ideological and institutional legacy.
 
The economy surprisingly did well under him. I think 10.8 percent GDP at one point under him.
 
General Zia's tomb is outside of Faisal Masjid. Millions every year visit it to say their duas.

The General did some bad things but he changed the future of not only Pakistan in terms of its security but changed the global threat against Pakistan from high to low. It was General Zia who played the Americans, forced them to provide F16's amongst other military weapons while seeing the opporrtuhnity to complete the nuclear weapons programme.

Under Zia Pakistans economy in the 80's was at one of the highest levels in Pakistani history. If it wasnt for Zia Pakistan would be like Iraq, Syria, Libya or other Muslim nations which have been attacked by US/zionists.

I wouldnt take views on an internet forum by annonymous posters to be the truth, do you own research and use some basic logic and common sense.

Bro Zia is the one person who is mostly to blame for Pakistan being one of the most backward of nations - due to the intolerance and extremist views you find among Pakistanis.

He's the worst leader that Pakistan has ever had and yes I would take Zardari (who I also dislike) over him any day of the week. An overwhelming majority of those currently living in Pakistan would agree this.

The only ones who would disagree are those with right-wing views.

General Zia is not a revered figure unless you're with the far-right Molvis.
 
like i said, ppp supporters spit on his grave and army cant go around locking someone for spitting his grave. When he died, people were giving out mithai. His death was celebrated :)

no millions have visited his grave. Majority people ignore it. Dont know where you get your info from.

like i said, plz live in the country or atleast dont generalize your view.

As for Zardari, Zardari isn't insulted constitutionally. Zia is insulted even by the constitution as it states that Zia can never be referred as president. Constitutionally, Zardari was an ex President, Zia was not :)

Not something I would ever advocate but if there was one person in the history of Pakistan who deserved it, it was him.

He makes all the other politicians look like angels, that's how bad he was.
 
I didn’t realise that General Zia was so hated.
 
The economy surprisingly did well under him. I think 10.8 percent GDP at one point under him.

Nothing surprising brother. Under every dictator the economy did well and the reason for that wasnt the dictators policy but american funding.

US was funding our economy during the soviet war in afghanistan under zia. US did the same under ayub khan and mushraffe aswell
 
Bro Zia is the one person who is mostly to blame for Pakistan being one of the most backward of nations - due to the intolerance and extremist views you find among Pakistanis.

He's the worst leader that Pakistan has ever had and yes I would take Zardari (who I also dislike) over him any day of the week. An overwhelming majority of those currently living in Pakistan would agree this.

The only ones who would disagree are those with right-wing views.

General Zia is not a revered figure unless you're with the far-right Molvis.

He is a right winger who believes in conservative beliefs while living and partying in UK :). For them Zia was their leader
 
Not something I would ever advocate but if there was one person in the history of Pakistan who deserved it, it was him.

He makes all the other politicians look like angels, that's how bad he was.

Technically it doesnt count as spitting on a grave as it is runoured that the only thing that was found were his teeth.

Him, general akhtar and the US representative were turned into mince meat. Theycouldnt event identify which piece of meat belonged to whom. The crashsite was covered with human pieces and they had to collect them.

It was reported that the officials got mixed up. Basically, parts of zia might be in USA and in other graves aswell
 
Nothing surprising brother. Under every dictator the economy did well and the reason for that wasnt the dictators policy but american funding.

US was funding our economy during the soviet war in afghanistan under zia. US did the same under ayub khan and mushraffe aswell

Just goes to show how facts without context can be misleading. Well said.
 
like i said, ppp supporters spit on his grave and army cant go around locking someone for spitting his grave. When he died, people were giving out mithai. His death was celebrated :)

no millions have visited his grave. Majority people ignore it. Dont know where you get your info from.

like i said, plz live in the country or atleast dont generalize your view.

As for Zardari, Zardari isn't insulted constitutionally. Zia is insulted even by the constitution as it states that Zia can never be referred as president. Constitutionally, Zardari was an ex President, Zia was not :)

It’s no surprise you’d feel happy to spit on anyones grave , keep exposing yourself.

You live in Pakistan but know nothing , General Zia is far more admired than your hero zardari , who will also be hanged soon
 
Unfortunately like IK, most of his followers hold the same views.

The link below is for an interesting article that's worth reading and I should draw your attention to the composite image found in it as they say "a picture is worth a thousand words".

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/pakistan-traveling-back-to-the-era-of-general-zia/

Thanks for sharing the article. Will give it a read.

Whats funny about this image is that one of them tries to claim himself to be a bhutto
 
ItÂ’s no surprise youÂ’d feel happy to spit on anyones grave , keep exposing yourself.

You live in Pakistan but know nothing , General Zia is far more admired than your hero zardari , who will also be hanged soon

I find it hilarious that you had to choose zardari to do a comparison of zia :)).

Chalo if thats a comparison where zia wins, no issue i guess.
 
Unfortunately like IK, most of his followers hold the same views.

The link below is for an interesting article that's worth reading and I should draw your attention to the composite image found in it as they say "a picture is worth a thousand words".

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/pakistan-traveling-back-to-the-era-of-general-zia/

So NS describes him as his father, the PPP call him NSs father and you are comparing him to IK. The most democratic, law abiding, caring PM we have ever had.
 
These losers have lost their minds.

Went though the articles though were few very good points but Zia has destroyed the pashtun belt . And PTI is the party who proved to be savior for us. No way PTI is doing things like the dictator did.
 
So NS describes him as his father, the PPP call him NSs father and you are comparing him to IK. The most democratic, law abiding, caring PM we have ever had.

Article is written in july 2020. now it has been proved that who is the biggest bootlicker lol.
 
Bro Zia is the one person who is mostly to blame for Pakistan being one of the most backward of nations - due to the intolerance and extremist views you find among Pakistanis.

He's the worst leader that Pakistan has ever had and yes I would take Zardari (who I also dislike) over him any day of the week. An overwhelming majority of those currently living in Pakistan would agree this.

The only ones who would disagree are those with right-wing views.

General Zia is not a revered figure unless you're with the far-right Molvis.
Bro Zia was the one who ensured Pak being a nuclear power , this is undeniable to anyone who has understands history . I’m no fan of his but truth must be accepted. Pak would be like Syria now if he didn’t finish the nuclear program under the nose of yanks , Indians & Zionist’s .

Zardari is commonly suspected of murdering his own Mrs , not to mention robbing the nation blind . I’d take Zia over him any day .

Anyway Im chilling in Dubai , got better things to do than argue this , come over bro 😉
 
Lol it’s best for people to do their own research in terms of numbers . As a zardari supporter & ppp of course you can’t sleep if you hear his name .

Zia is more popular now even dead than zardari lol

Lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
 
During the Zia years, Pakistan became a more violent and more intolerant place. Guns and heroin abounded. Islam was viewed through a narrow legalistic lens and reduced to a set of proscriptions. Sectarian and ethnic distinctions sharpened. Authoritarianism reached a new level under Zia. The army’s influence over the economy and bureaucracy became even further reaching. The political process was distorted by the effort to ‘localise’ politics and by the implementation of the eighth amendment.

However, tempting though it might be, we should also avoid ascribing all of Pakistan’s contemporary problems to the influence of one person or to one regime.

The shift to a more stridently legalistic interpretation of Islam was made possible partly as a result of the failures of Islamic modernists to govern effectively. A reliance on top-down messaging and a failure to create institutions and resources that could educate and cultivate a ‘modernist’ base in society left their vision of Pakistan vulnerable to attack. Nor should we ignore the ability of ‘Islamists’ and ulama in building an infrastructure and constituency in society, that operated independently of state initiatives, and was hospitable to their own understanding of religion. In addition, the emergence of a new middle class that was attracted to visible displays of piety, the impact of migration to the Gulf, and international events also contributed to the bolstering of a conservative constituency. Politically too, the politics of local power, the scant respect for the rule of law and centralising tendencies have a long, pre-Zia era, history.

There were therefore longer-term trends. It is however undeniable that the Zia era left Pakistan with a particularly baleful legacy.
 
Bro Zia was the one who ensured Pak being a nuclear power , this is undeniable to anyone who has understands history . I’m no fan of his but truth must be accepted. Pak would be like Syria now if he didn’t finish the nuclear program under the nose of yanks , Indians & Zionist’s .

Zardari is commonly suspected of murdering his own Mrs , not to mention robbing the nation blind . I’d take Zia over him any day .

Anyway Im chilling in Dubai , got better things to do than argue this , come over bro ��

I hope you're having a good time in Dubai.

I hear this all the time, "if it wasn't for Pakistan's nuclear power, they would be another Afghanistan or Syria".

But this nuclear power has come at huge cost. Pakistan has failed to develop and progress as a nation. I would rather be where Bangladesh is with their thriving economy. Our outlook looks very bleak compared to theirs and it's only matter of time when they leave Pakistan in the dust.

Rather than focusing on nuclear power, we should have used resources to develop the economy and modernise Pakistan with new industries. But unfortunately that won't change with army in power.
 
I hope you're having a good time in Dubai.

I hear this all the time, "if it wasn't for Pakistan's nuclear power, they would be another Afghanistan or Syria".

But this nuclear power has come at huge cost. Pakistan has failed to develop and progress as a nation. I would rather be where Bangladesh is with their thriving economy. Our outlook looks very bleak compared to theirs and it's only matter of time when they leave Pakistan in the dust.

Rather than focusing on nuclear power, we should have used resources to develop the economy and modernise Pakistan with new industries. But unfortunately that won't change with army in power.

Nothing comes close to being bombed & destroyed . Becoming a Nuclear power was the most difficult thing in Pakistans history . Bangladesh is a vassal state of a 3rd world India , it’s not something Pakistan would ever entertain thus India would waged many wars on Pakistan but now they can’t do sh…

Id rather be free & secure but each to their own
 
During the Zia years, Pakistan became a more violent and more intolerant place. Guns and heroin abounded. Islam was viewed through a narrow legalistic lens and reduced to a set of proscriptions. Sectarian and ethnic distinctions sharpened. Authoritarianism reached a new level under Zia. The army’s influence over the economy and bureaucracy became even further reaching. The political process was distorted by the effort to ‘localise’ politics and by the implementation of the eighth amendment.

However, tempting though it might be, we should also avoid ascribing all of Pakistan’s contemporary problems to the influence of one person or to one regime.

The shift to a more stridently legalistic interpretation of Islam was made possible partly as a result of the failures of Islamic modernists to govern effectively. A reliance on top-down messaging and a failure to create institutions and resources that could educate and cultivate a ‘modernist’ base in society left their vision of Pakistan vulnerable to attack. Nor should we ignore the ability of ‘Islamists’ and ulama in building an infrastructure and constituency in society, that operated independently of state initiatives, and was hospitable to their own understanding of religion. In addition, the emergence of a new middle class that was attracted to visible displays of piety, the impact of migration to the Gulf, and international events also contributed to the bolstering of a conservative constituency. Politically too, the politics of local power, the scant respect for the rule of law and centralising tendencies have a long, pre-Zia era, history.

There were therefore longer-term trends. It is however undeniable that the Zia era left Pakistan with a particularly baleful legacy.

I agree but I feel that Zia's time was a turbulent time for our region

Iran revolution
Attack on Makkah
Afghan/Russia war and fear of attack on Pakistan

Some of the many things that happened
 
I agree but I feel that Zia's time was a turbulent time for our region

Iran revolution
Attack on Makkah
Afghan/Russia war and fear of attack on Pakistan

Some of the many things that happened

Indeed - when I referred vaguely to "international events," it was the Iranian revolution and Soviet-Afghan war, that I had in mind.
 
Indeed - when I referred vaguely to "international events," it was the Iranian revolution and Soviet-Afghan war, that I had in mind.

I recall coming out of school and been told that Qiyamat had come as Kaaba was under attack and all because Zia had (or was about to hang ZAB!)
 
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