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gazza619 said:
Keen to read some insights from our top tier poster @topspin
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Raja Ishtiaq said:
What a epic beizzati this thread has been for @Rana @topspin

They were hoping most people would agree that YK wasnt a terrible ODI batsman. Becharay 🤣 🤣
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No one here rates Younis Khan as an ODI great. You’re only bringing up his ODI record out of insecurity. The truth is, Babar will never match Younis Khan’s stature. YK didn’t need ODI greatness to be superior, just as Gavaskar, Jayawardene and Dravid proved their class despite not excelling in white ball formats. What you’re doing is avoiding responsibility for your own absurd claim that Babar was a great and had a greater career than Younis Khan. If you genuinely believe that, it shows either you didn’t watch YK closely or your cricketing judgment is poor.
 
topspin said:
If you genuinely believe that, it shows either you didn’t watch YK closely or your cricketing judgment is poor
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I think it’s a case of both really bro. Gazza has claimed there are 3 teams in KPK better than the current Pakistan team. It’s a ludicrous claim which he just hasn’t ever been able to justify even by naming one of the 3 to give some credibility to his own absurd claim.

Raja Ishtiaq’s childish antics are for all to see especially during the Asia cup where his witch hunt against Sahibzada Farhan left him as red faced as Bumrah’s floaty full tosses that were being sent to all corners by Sahibzada.

It is no secret that these boys have a very poor understanding of how the game functions, and there is a strong possibility that they didn’t afford cable TV at the time when Younis Khan was playing ODI cricket during the 2000s. They may have seen scorecards here and there on teletext or found out from the local rairri wala about who played well and who didn’t.
 
Rana said:
@topspin is 100% correct

Rizwan is a massively below par ODI batter. He’s the reason why Pakistan has fallen into the pits of mediocrity

Younis Khan is not guilty of making Pakistan a bottom tier side. He was part of a much much stronger white ball set up that held standards!
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Rizwan's offside game is nonexistent. Babar can't play spin to save his life.

Rizwan may have entered the side as a specialist wicket‑keeper tucked away at number 8, but think about how the 2000s spinners would have dismantled Babar.
 
topspin said:
Rizwan's offside game is nonexistent. Babar can't play spin to save his life.

Rizwan may have entered the side as a specialist wicket‑keeper tucked away at number 8, but think about how the 2000s spinners would have dismantled Babar.
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The pacers bro. They would make Jalebi hai of Rizwan at the crease in 2000s

McGrath
Lee
Bichel
Gillespie
Pollock
Ntini
Steyn (a little later)
Flintoff
Harmison
Broad
Gough
Caddick
Anderson
Vaas
Dilhara Fernando
Irfan Pathan
Zaheer Khan
Bond

Some great names in there, some legends of the game and some top performers of that single ball era.

I think we could expect some par performances from Rizwan against Bangladesh and maybe the odd one against India on the Pakistan/India roads but overall and quality wise, the guy wouldn’t have made the Pakistan team in the first place lol.
 
Rana said:
I think it’s a case of both really bro. Gazza has claimed there are 3 teams in KPK better than the current Pakistan team. It’s a ludicrous claim which he just hasn’t ever been able to justify even by naming one of the 3 to give some credibility to his own absurd claim.

Raja Ishtiaq’s childish antics are for all to see especially during the Asia cup where his witch hunt against Sahibzada Farhan left him as red faced as Bumrah’s floaty full tosses that were being sent to all corners by Sahibzada.

It is no secret that these boys have a very poor understanding of how the game functions, and there is a strong possibility that they didn’t afford cable TV at the time when Younis Khan was playing ODI cricket during the 2000s. They may have seen scorecards here and there on teletext or found out from the local rairri wala about who played well and who didn’t.
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The fact that they believe Babar is superior to YK solely because of stats and hundreds piled up in th highest scoring era in the history of white ball cricket sums up their lack of cricketing logic.

As I explained to Raja Isthiaq, this argument falls flat because going by this line of reasoning, Babar is superior to Inzamam since he has a higher average, strike rate and more tons in ODIs. This is the logic @Major ended up using to argue his case for Misbah over Inzy.

The pattern is obvious: RizBar and Misbah supporters reveal both poor cricketing judgment and a unique taste for mediocrity.

Raja Isthiaq's witch hunt and comments like "he's let off the hook" certainly epitomise his agenda driven posts.
 
Rana said:
The pacers bro. They would make Jalebi hai of Rizwan at the crease in 2000s

McGrath
Lee
Bichel
Gillespie
Pollock
Ntini
Steyn (a little later)
Flintoff
Harmison
Broad
Gough
Caddick
Anderson
Vaas
Dilhara Fernando
Irfan Pathan
Zaheer Khan
Bond

Some great names in there, some legends of the game and some top performers of that single ball era.

I think we could expect some par performances from Rizwan against Bangladesh and maybe the odd one against India on the Pakistan/India roads but overall and quality wise, the guy wouldn’t have made the Pakistan team in the first place lol.
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Now that you remind me of these pacers, perhaps I was being generous about him making it at number 8 :ROFLMAO:. After all, the likes of Abdul Razzaq, Afridi (at times), Azhar Mahmood etc were batting around this position.
 
Rana said:
I think it’s a case of both really bro.
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Raja Isthiaq certainly comes across as a noob. As for Gazza, hard to say but if he's making claims like this below, then it wouldn't surprise me if he starting watching cricket from 2010.

Rana said:
Gazza has claimed there are 3 teams in KPK better than the current Pakistan team. It’s a ludicrous claim which he just hasn’t ever been able to justify even by naming one of the 3 to give some credibility to his own absurd claim.
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topspin said:
Now that you remind me of these pacers, perhaps I was being generous about him making it at number 8 :ROFLMAO:. After all, the likes of Abdul Razzaq, Afridi (at times), Azhar Mahmood etc were batting around this position.
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Bro it’s not like I have to tell you this because you would know anyways. But I guess bottom tier posters like Gazza, Kiani and Ishtiaq need some regular education too

I’ve only mentioned some of the top names of that era in terms of pacers, there were many fringe or 3rd/4th seamers in each side who were all solid FC/Red ball bowlers….and due to the fact that IPL came into the fold in 2007….pretty much all bilateral tours would have the frontline seamers featuring in all if not most games. It’s not like now where you see all of these bilaterals being used as an opportunity to develop fringe bowlers. Flipping Sipamla and Magala lol
 
Rana said:
Bro it’s not like I have to tell you this because you would know anyways. But I guess bottom tier posters like Gazza, Kiani and Ishtiaq need some regular education too
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You can’t help but wonder how many heartbreaks in ICC tournaments it will take before they finally wake up and face reality. Eventually, the mask slips, and the tattoos reveal their cult like allegiance for all to see.

Rana said:
I’ve only mentioned some of the top names of that era in terms of pacers, there were many fringe or 3rd/4th seamers in each side who were all solid FC/Red ball bowlers….and due to the fact that IPL came into the fold in 2007….pretty much all bilateral tours would have the frontline seamers featuring in all if not most games. It’s not like now where you see all of these bilaterals being used as an opportunity to develop fringe bowlers. Flipping Sipamla and Magala lol
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Haha yes this is when Babar found his level. I remember when I asked you what you thought of those bowlers he faced and you said they sound like milkshakes :ROFLMAO:
 
topspin said:
You can’t help but wonder how many heartbreaks in ICC tournaments it will take before they finally wake up and face reality. Eventually, the mask slips, and the tattoos reveal their cult like allegiance for all to see.



Haha yes this is when Babar found his level. I remember when I asked you what you thought of those bowlers he faced and you said they sound like milkshakes :ROFLMAO:
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Zimbabwe bowlers bro

Trevor Gwandu, Maposa,

flipping Junior Dala from South Africa :ROFLMAO:

some of the New Zealand B/C team seamers they send now :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Sri Lanka’s throwdown guys Pramod, Madhubala :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


International bilateral cricket is a joke right now. Only Pakistan takes it seriously. Zimbabwe and Afghanistan to some extent too, they don’t get enough games so they don’t have the luxury of resting main team players.
 
Rana said:
Zimbabwe bowlers bro

Trevor Gwandu, Maposa,

flipping Junior Dala from South Africa :ROFLMAO:

some of the New Zealand B/C team seamers they send now :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Sri Lanka’s throwdown guys Pramod, Madhubala :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


International bilateral cricket is a joke right now. Only Pakistan takes it seriously. Zimbabwe and Afghanistan to some extent too, they don’t get enough games so they don’t have the luxury of resting main team players.
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It's a complete joke but it's enough to make fools out of the RizBar club. Remember, Major raving about how Babar and Rizwan are superior to SKY when they were no.1 and no.2 in T20 rankings? This was being said during the 2022 WT20, where Babar ended up averaging under 20 with a strike rate of less than run a ball. That aged well for him :ROFLMAO:

Imagine what the middle order of the 2000s would have achieved in this era.
 
Rana said:
International bilateral cricket is a joke right now.
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Agree.

In the 90's, bilaterals used to mean something as all teams used to field their main teams.

Not the case anymore. I guess franchise cricket is to be blamed.
 
topspin said:
It's a complete joke but it's enough to make fools out of the RizBar club. Remember, Major raving about how Babar and Rizwan are superior to SKY when they were no.1 and no.2 in T20 rankings? This was being said during the 2022 WT20, where Babar ended up averaging under 20 with a strike rate of less than run a ball. That aged well for him :ROFLMAO:

Imagine what the middle order of the 2000s would have achieved in this era.
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Rizwan was getting killed by a 40 year old Anderson on his last tour to Pakistan. This was before Aqib came in and forced the spin decks. Those Tests were played on absolute roads and Rizwan was looking like a total fool against him.

So take that sample and imagine what Rizwan/Babar level players would have done in the 2000s-2013 era in which these bowlers were at their peak and there wasn’t the 2 new ball rule. It’s a different level of cricket, and these softies do not belong to it.

Even right now, a washed up Mohammad Amir totally destroys these two love birds in PSL/franchise cricket.

@mominsaigol hit the nail on the head really. Younis Khan the player/quality of the player certainly survives and thrives in this era of low quality International/bi lateral cricket. These softies from the current era have no real chance in the era he played cricket in.
 
Haha... This is funny... trying to do bhangra over Younis khan now just for the hatred against certain players.

Carry on
 
All this discussion about Yk the great ODI batsman world never saw, is based on supposition that it was single ball era and bilaterals were taken more seriously and blah blah. But the so called top tier experts forget that a TTF like Shoaib Malik played exactly in the same era as YK and has better ODI no.s than him , so what should we make of Malik then? . THe more @Rana & Co. indulge to justify their theory of "YK the great ODI batsman" world never saw, more humiliation they will get.
 
topspin said:
No one here rates Younis Khan as an ODI great. You’re only bringing up his ODI record out of insecurity. The truth is, Babar will never match Younis Khan’s stature. YK didn’t need ODI greatness to be superior, just as Gavaskar, Jayawardene and Dravid proved their class despite not excelling in white ball formats. What you’re doing is avoiding responsibility for your own absurd claim that Babar was a great and had a greater career than Younis Khan. If you genuinely believe that, it shows either you didn’t watch YK closely or your cricketing judgment is poor.
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But @Rana said YK was a proper ODI batter. You agree that he was talking nonsense?
 
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YK was a proper ODI batsman but Shoaib Malik the allrounder has better numbers than him, so claim busted.

Point #2 , How did YK compared with his contemporaries as OdI batsman during that era.

Kallis, Ponting, Aravinda, Dravid, Sarwan all have better numbers and better range of shots than YK, so this also debunks that YK was a proper ODI batsman.

Let's wait for @Rana to come up with a new quantum to define YK as a proper ODI batsman
 
topspin said:
No one here rates Younis Khan as an ODI great. You’re only bringing up his ODI record out of insecurity. The truth is, Babar will never match Younis Khan’s stature. YK didn’t need ODI greatness to be superior, just as Gavaskar, Jayawardene and Dravid proved their class despite not excelling in white ball formats. What you’re doing is avoiding responsibility for your own absurd claim that Babar was a great and had a greater career than Younis Khan. If you genuinely believe that, it shows either you didn’t watch YK closely or your cricketing judgment is poor.
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Read the bloody room mate. Most people aren't just saying YK wasnt a great ODI batsman or was a OK ODI batsman. People are saying he was crap! Massive difference 🤣 🤣
 
Babar's batting is worse in test matches and YK was worse in ODIs

If I had to choose Babar the test batsman or YK the ODI batsman, I would pick Babar every day of the week and twice on a Sunday. This is how bad YK was in ODIs 🤣 🤣

But these kids who are John Cena fans claim to have been watching cricket back in that era. It's hilarious 😂
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Read the bloody room mate. Most people aren't just saying YK wasnt a great ODI batsman or was a OK ODI batsman. People are saying he was crap! Massive difference 🤣 🤣
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The people saying he was “crap” are the same people who genuinely believe Babar is a better T20 batsman than Farhan 🤡
 
Babar would be a Vikram Solanki or Owais Shah level batter in the era Younis Khan played cricket in.
 
YK was poor ODI batter without any doubt. He was surely inferior than his own teammates - Inzi, Yousuf, Malik. Don't want to compare him with opponent batters of that era.
 
Rana said:
Babar would be a Vikram Solanki or Owais Shah level batter in the era Younis Khan played cricket in.
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Younis Khan was poor in his era. Since then cricket has evolved, SR has become super important. He wouldn't be part of any playing 11 in current times. May be Bangladesh, can't think of any other country.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Babar's batting is worse in test matches and YK was worse in ODIs

If I had to choose Babar the test batsman or YK the ODI batsman, I would pick Babar every day of the week and twice on a Sunday. This is how bad YK was in ODIs 🤣 🤣

But these kids who are John Cena fans claim to have been watching cricket back in that era. It's hilarious 😂
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Many of the people who are anti rizbar now would have vocally anti Younis back then too.

He held the team hostage more than any of these players that fans describe as selfish now.

However Babar is also sadly dipping fast in test. We dont know what his overall legacy will become when his career finished.

Despite his selfishness Younis will be fondly remembered as a Test GOAT and T20 winning captain. He left with a positive legacy.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Yk in Odis is not good enough to tie Babars shoelaces.
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You can look at career in two ways, one is overall stats, Younis is way lower than Babar.

But you can also look at innings that captured fans attention too and grabbed game by scruff of the neck. Younis has some memorable ODI battles against India. I think most fans can rememeber them, despite Babars stats he has only 1-2 memorable innings. He needs to improve and play more clutch knocks that grab the imagination of people.

Overall yes Younis was a poor ODI player, but he does have some more memorable knocks.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Read the bloody room mate. Most people aren't just saying YK wasnt a great ODI batsman or was a OK ODI batsman. People are saying he was crap! Massive difference 🤣 🤣
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You can keep twisting things and making false claims about me to soothe your bruised ego. But let me be clear, what’s truly laughable is your reading of the game which is crap. In fact, calling it crap might be generous, especially since you actually believe Babar has accomplished a better career than YK.
 
mango_bite77 said:
Younis Khan was poor in his era. Since then cricket has evolved, SR has become super important. He wouldn't be part of any playing 11 in current times. May be Bangladesh, can't think of any other country.
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He wasn’t “poor” in his era.

He was a big under achiever. He should have been a 36+ average batter like like Marvan Attapattu at least.

Pakistan had the option of discarding Younis throughout the era and had Misbah or other middle order players in Pakistan domestic to replace him…

Why didn’t they? Why was he a regular feature in Woolmer’s Pakistan side? Woolmer was biased and promoted favouritism??
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
If I had to choose Babar the test batsman or YK the ODI batsman, I would pick Babar every day of the week and twice on a Sunday
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It means you are not capable of being handed any trust to make critical decisions for the betterment of cricket.

Sorry, this is ridiculous
 
What many posters don’t seem to understand or let’s just say a few with “imaginary friends” is that a captain and coach can’t build proper plans around players who average around 30 in the real formats of cricket. To plan any strategy, you need batters who offer some level of consistency.

Even a high strike rate player who can occasionally win you a match on his own becomes a problem if he disappears for several games in between. That kind of inconsistency affects the entire team. When an underperforming, low average batter is in the XI, other players naturally start thinking differently and feel they may have to adjust their own game because that player might fail again.

Younis was exactly that type of ODI player, wildly inconsistent and simply not suited for the format. He genuinely tried to end his ODI career on a high, but he just couldn’t. As a Test player, though, Younis was on another level, world class and absolutely brilliant in the longest format.
 
Rana said:
He wasn’t “poor” in his era.

He was a big under achiever. He should have been a 36+ average batter like like Marvan Attapattu at least.
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Marvan Attapattuu with an ODI strike rate of 67!!!!
:lol

Kabhu tou koi achi baat kar liya karo.
 
For those saying Malik was a better alternative to YK. You do realise they played together? They played together in a good ODI team. All had their roles.

Yousuf and Inzi (and a bit earlier Saeed) were the main batsmen and the team was centred around them. Younis played a good support role.
 
Some people here are comparing or even advocating that YK was a better odi batsman than Babar.
Lol, i am no fan of Babar atm but come on, he is miles ahead of YK in odi. let's try to be fair and reasonable regardless of personal preference or feelings in a game where stats and impact of a player is objectively, to a good degree, measureable and quantifiable
 
TheSultan said:
On topic, I just watched a superb YK innings vs Australia in the famous 2002 ODI series. Pure class
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Real recognises real. I’ve been telling Gazza (and Raja Isthiaq) that there are a number of knocks which outshine Babar’s so-called best ODI innings - that 2019 World Cup chase against New Zealand. He never dared to respond, because I would've wiped the floor with him.
 
Rana said:
Babar would be a Vikram Solanki or Owais Shah level batter in the era Younis Khan played cricket in.
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Perfect analogy. Babar isn’t above James Vince in my book, he’s stuck at the Solanki/Shah tier.
 
Younis Khan was one of the weakest top-order batsmen to play 265 ODIs for Pakistan, with a consistently poor average and strike rate. His performances cost Pakistan at crucial stages, including the 2007 T20 World Cup final and the 2011 World Cup semifinal.

I still remember that before the 2015 World Cup he was on the verge of being dropped, but instead of accepting the situation, he created unnecessary drama and used media lobbying to pressure the PCB into selecting him. Even after repeated failures in the 2015 World Cup, he was unwilling to retire gracefully.

In my view, Younis, Misbah, and Afridi all prolonged their ODI careers well beyond their natural endpoints after the 2011 World Cup, which ultimately hurt the team's long-term progress.
 
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Let’s revisit this iconic partnership on Younis Khan’s birthday.

Pak were 33/3 vs SL when Younis 51(35) & Shoaib Malik 57(31) came together and added a 100+ partnership in 9 overs.

Still the fastest 100-run partnership in T20WC by Asian players.
#PAKvsSL
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@topspin when have Babar or Rizwan ever did anything of this kind for Pakistan in the middle order (T20s)
 
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Let’s revisit this iconic partnership on Younis Khan’s birthday.

Pak were 33/3 vs SL when Younis 51(35) & Shoaib Malik 57(31) came together and added a 100+ partnership in 9 overs.

Still the fastest 100-run partnership in T20WC by Asian players.
#PAKvsSL
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@topspin when have Babar or Rizwan ever did anything of this kind for Pakistan in the middle order (T20s)
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And let’s not forget this was in the 2000s, when average scores were far lower than they are today.

But unfortunately, the Babar cult seems determined to undermine him out of pure insecurity. It’s as if their entire existence revolves around serving their fake king.
 
topspin said:
And let’s not forget this was in the 2000s, when average scores were far lower than they are today.

But unfortunately, the Babar cult seems determined to undermine him out of pure insecurity. It’s as if their entire existence revolves around serving their fake king.
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Rana said:
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Let’s revisit this iconic partnership on Younis Khan’s birthday.

Pak were 33/3 vs SL when Younis 51(35) & Shoaib Malik 57(31) came together and added a 100+ partnership in 9 overs.

Still the fastest 100-run partnership in T20WC by Asian players.
#PAKvsSL
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@topspin when have Babar or Rizwan ever did anything of this kind for Pakistan in the middle order (T20s)
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Rizbabar never played in middle order together in t20s Did they???.... What are you on about?
 
BouncerGuy said:
Rizbabar never played in middle order together in t20s Did they???.... What are you on about?
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But but sarr

According to our fantasies and delusions, they are better for Pakistan in the middle than those who actually play in the middle sarr!!

@GOSH11
 
Rana said:
But but sarr

According to our fantasies and delusions, they are better for Pakistan in the middle than those who actually play in the middle sarr!!

@GOSH11
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Haha, rent free in your mind young Sir.

Rizzy must have done something very horrible to you..... you use delusion.... deluded is an average of 18 and SR 120 and ave of 23 and 111 and actually be happy.

That is rather sad, lacks objectivity, ineptness with statistics and any technical nous.

I will back any player that plays for Pakistan but i want to maximise our chances and rizzy in the team down the order- in my humble opinion- will help with that rather than blindly fanboying adoration OR hatred for players, you fall in the latter....

Sure, stick with the cute, childish soundbytes, dodge questions and stick with shouting the loudest young Sir.
 
absolutely terrible, he was an amazing test player, but his odi performances were shockingly bad and he should have been put out of his misery a long long time before he got to 250 odd odis. i watched all of his career and he should have been dropped after he was dropped from the t20i squad. alas he was prone to being a bit stroppy, and in hindsight having him play a few years of random odis was probably worth it given how much he contributed to the test team.
 
Major said:
Umar akmal was a better odi batter than younis.

So by saying younis being better than the current lot, you are saying Umar Akmal is better than Babar, Rizwan etc.

And we use Umar Akmal as an insult (and a yard stick for Younis)
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Rana said:
And Misbah too btw.

Misbah was a white ball travesty.
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He wasn't. Not even close. Umar Akmal is nowhere close to YK as an Odi batsmen lol.
 
Mobashir said:
33000+ posts to post this.

His average/SR combo vs some good teams :
Australia : 16/57
England : 26/71
New Zealand : 27/70
South Africa : 26/67
West Indies : 27/66

This is better than Babar Azam ? Fakhar Zaman ?
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salman24 said:
Incorrect. Babar, Fakhar, Agha and Rizwan are all better ODI players.
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Fakhar at peak is > YK however Fakhar is too inconsistent.

Secondly as @Rana and @topspin discussed earlier Era's are different. The likes of Sachin, Lara, Ponting have lower avg and sr then Agha, Fakhar, Babar, but that doesnt mean they are inferior players.

What's the point of throwing a stat at me? Are you advocating that Ponting in knockout stages of a tournament is worse then Babar because Babar supposedly avg 85+ in odi knockouts?
 
mominsaigol said:
Fakhar at peak is > YK however Fakhar is too inconsistent.

Secondly as @Rana and @topspin discussed earlier Era's are different. The likes of Sachin, Lara, Ponting have lower avg and sr then Agha, Fakhar, Babar, but that doesnt mean they are inferior players.

What's the point of throwing a stat at me? Are you advocating that Ponting in knockout stages of a tournament is worse then Babar because Babar supposedly avg 85+ in odi knockouts?
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Your lack of understanding is appealing.

The stats I have posted show that YK was a flop player in his era.

You will strugle to find a worst batsman in his own era with, Lets say 100+ matches.
 
Rana said:

They are pretty close to each other if it’s the stats game you want to play?
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@mominsaigol @topspin @TheSultan

This is the stupid game these play here. They will give you all sorts of nonsensical reasons to claim YK was a crap ODI player and one of the worst to play this many games etc…


Well then it means Stephen Fleming (a genuine NZ GOAT) who played in the same era as YK and has a +1 run average to him, with about the same amount of games and 1 more hundred to him is also one of the worst players to have played ODI cricket?
 
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Rana said:
@mominsaigol @topspin @TheSultan

This is the stupid game these play here. They will give you all sorts of nonsensical reasons to claim YK was a crap ODI player and one of the worst to play this many games etc…


Well then it means Stephen Fleming (a genuine NZ GOAT) who played in the same era as YK and has a +1 run average to him, with about the same amount of games and 1 more hundred to him is also one of the worst players to have played ODI cricket?
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You negated yourself , Fleming NZ Goat , yes you are right theres difference between a World class player and a local hero.

Fleming in comparison with his NZ peers can be considered as GOAT, but when we compare it across the world like Hayden Jayasiruya etc etc , Fleming lags back.

YK as ODI batsmen even lags behind Malik the allrounder, there very much settles it
 
Kianig89 said:
You negated yourself , Fleming NZ Goat , yes you are right theres difference between a World class player and a local hero.
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What are you even trying to say? Fleming was a local hero in NZ because NZ was a Nepal level team?
 
Rana said:
Fleming gained fame and respect because he scored runs only in the NZ domestic circuit?
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Fleming gained respect and fame but he is not revered as someone like Ponting or Kallis.

On topic YK was never a top ODI batsmen , whatever angle you look at it
 
Rana said:
@mominsaigol @topspin @TheSultan

This is the stupid game these play here. They will give you all sorts of nonsensical reasons to claim YK was a crap ODI player and one of the worst to play this many games etc…


Well then it means Stephen Fleming (a genuine NZ GOAT) who played in the same era as YK and has a +1 run average to him, with about the same amount of games and 1 more hundred to him is also one of the worst players to have played ODI cricket?
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Couldn’t agree more. Good find with Stephen Fleming because his stats are almost identical.

I have no problem with those outside of the Babar fan club, who don’t rate YK’s career. But Babar’s fan club are acting as if their mental midget would have sealed a permanent side in the 2000s let alone outperform the Pakistani middle order at the time.
 
Kianig89 said:
Fleming gained respect and fame but he is not revered as someone like Ponting or Kallis.
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So?

You guys use YK’s ODI stats to discredit him as an ODI player. His stats are very similar to Fleming’s

Ab kya karna hai?

Let’s destroy the name and legacy of Fleming too? Your mate @gazza619 also had no shame in tarnishing the name of Marvan Attapatu when I said that YK realistically should have performed as he did.

I’ll find more similar names and let’s see you jokers start making embarrassing comments again!
 
Rana said:
So?

You guys use YK’s ODI stats to discredit him as an ODI player. His stats are very similar to Fleming’s

Ab kya karna hai?

Let’s destroy the name and legacy of Fleming too? Your mate @gazza619 also had no shame in tarnishing the name of Marvan Attapatu when I said that YK realistically should have performed as he did.

I’ll find more similar names and let’s see you jokers start making embarrassing comments again!
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Flemingo, YK, Attapattaaa…are these your proper ODI batters?
 
Fleming Attapatu all were tier 2 batters in their era , YK might hardly break into this category but not Tier 1, which belonged to Sachin Kallis Ponting etc
 
The funny thing is these guys are flexing babar’s greatness in ODIs in an era where most of the world’s players don’t even bother playing bilateral ODIs. That’s the only place he has performed apart from that one innings vs NZ in the 2019 WC.

And even now, in his comeback he ends up looking like a clown for a few games until a century at a mediocre strike rate.

In contrast look at Kohli - comeback game, point to prove, century at 112 SR with 5 sixes, thank you very much.
 
Rana said:
So?

You guys use YK’s ODI stats to discredit him as an ODI player. His stats are very similar to Fleming’s

Ab kya karna hai?

Let’s destroy the name and legacy of Fleming too? Your mate @gazza619 also had no shame in tarnishing the name of Marvan Attapatu when I said that YK realistically should have performed as he did.

I’ll find more similar names and let’s see you jokers start making embarrassing comments again!
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Mahela Jayawadena has almost identical stats to YK. He was regarded as a respectable ODI batsman.
 
Mahela Jayawardena is behind the pecking order in SL ODI batsman, Aravinda and Arjuna were ahead of him , same like as YK is behind such that Shoaib Malik is ahead of him
 
topspin said:
Mahela Jayawadena has almost identical stats to YK. He was regarded as a respectable ODI batsman.
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There is a difference between being called a respectable ODI batsman and a proper ODI batsman. Your friend @Rana is confused as you are.

Jayawardene made his debut in 1998 and YK in 2000. Yet Jayawardene strike rate was 79 as compared to YK’s 75. Jayawardene average is also better at 33 vs YK’s 31. Jayawardene scored 19 ODI hundreds vs YK’s 7 tons. These are not identical stats .
 
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gazza619 said:
There is a difference between being called a respectable ODI batsman and a proper ODI batsman. Your friend @Rana is confused as you are.

Jayawardene made his debut in 1998 and YK in 2000. Yet Jayawardene strike rate was 79 as compared to YK’s 75. Jayawardene average is also better at 33 vs YK’s 31. Jayawardene scored 19 ODI hundreds vs YK’s 7 tons. These are not identical stats.
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I said almost identical stats which is evident by the fact that their strike rate and averages are very similar.
 
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