Robert
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Why do you feel embarrassed?
Re: RSA - in those days there were fewer ODIs played than tests.
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How good is Joe Root, the ODI player?
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Why do you feel embarrassed?
Re: RSA - in those days there were fewer ODIs played than tests.
England mostly focused on test cricket till 2000s. Pitches were not helpful for batsman. Also england played their test players in odi format so that didn't help either.
Robert
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It’s a good point.
The TCCB would use ODIs to try out potential test players.
There were very few dedicated ODI players in those days. Neil Fairbrother was an example.
Ab Fan
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5000 runs.
4th fastest!
4th fastest!
gazza619
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I used to think that way too. But I changed my mind after the Eng vs Ind series. The way he scored against Kuldeep in the last 2 ODIs after struggling earlier was just scinitillating to watch.
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2nd best ODI batter in the world.
jnaveen1980
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Better than Williamson for sure. Even SMith i would say. Very consistent.
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They got the measure of Kuldeep after his 6/25 at Nottingham. But he started well at Lords. with 3 for 20 in 4 overs. Then started losing his way. It will be an interesting battle in the world cup.
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Root is amazing in this format. He paces his innings so well. It shows the value of rotating the strike.
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Root is easily the second best ODI batsman now. He is closing the gap on Kohli.
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Embarrassing for England. Until 2015, they were the worst of the top ODI teams ever since the format's inception. Not a single ODI great for 40+ years.
Agree with this but Smith is a nobody in ODIs, certainly not in away games.
Funnily he is but elongating the gap in tests.
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He is just out of form in tests. First time in his career
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What's this about Root closing the gap on Kohli? Since 2016, Root is averaging a brilliant 64.25 with 8 hundreds but in that same time period, the guy who he's chasing averaged 88.14 and hit double the amount of hundreds (16) Root did in the same time period.
Before anybody claims that the sample size of 3 years is being kind on Kohli and that Root has really come into his own in this past year, a comparison since the start of 2018 ends even worse for Root. Root has averaged 61 with 4 hundreds while Kohli has averaged 100, (yes 100!) with 7 centuries to his name, including 3 against SA in SA.
This is not to take anything away from Root. He has been exceptional in ODIs, but let's be clear, he's simply establishing himself as the second best ODI batsman in the business. It's not his fault that guy in front of him is staking a claim for being the best ODI batsman the game has ever seen by putting up superhuman numbers year after year.
Nobody is closing the gap on Kohli or even coming close to closing the gap on him.
He isn't.
During last 3 years, Rohit averages (62) almost as good as him (63), with a far better S/r than Root. Taylor (64) however averages more than Root.
During last 2 years, Rohit averages (67) better than him (65), with again a far better S/r than Root. Taylor (74) however averages more than Root & Rohit.
During last 1 year, Rohit averages (76) far far better than Root (59), with again a far better S/r than Root. Taylor (96) however averages than everyone else.
So there you see, Root isn't even amongst top-3 ODI bats right now.
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Ross Taylor is going from underrated to overrated in this forum.
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Root is not getting enough praise. So he is the one underrated. Taylor used to be like that, but now he is the flavour of the season.
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2nd best is my opinion. Yours can change and i accept that. But i cannot accept him being called overrated n all.
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Nobody in top 5 ranking is overrated.
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I would say he is very very good! 100 against Pakistan
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Excellent player who excels in his role of playing through the innings and rotating the strike.
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How has the World Cup gone for him?
He has fared well but it hasn't been anything extraordinary.
He has fared well but it hasn't been anything extraordinary.
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Root is the only proper anchor batsman England has. Others are big hitters. I think Root is a vital ODI player for England.
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Too many talks about roots form in odi's but man started his world cup campaign in a good note again
A 77 and 82 but long way to go......
A 77 and 82 but long way to go......
He doesn't get the respect he deserves
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Joe is the only England player along with Dawid Malan — and Ben Stokes when he returns — who has the patience and temperament to bat through the innings. If England are to get to the knockout stages, this trio scoring runs consistently and absorbing deliveries for 1s and 2s will be crucial.
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He is certainly a class-act and will be a key player for England in this World Cup. He showed his class with an impressive innings of 82 runs off 68 balls earlier today against Bangladesh.
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A masterful knock by a master batsman. Great to see him back in ODI cricket. England have really underutilized him after 2019 and they didn’t do very well in that period either.
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Most runs for England in tests and now most runs for England in ODIs too. And what a knock to reach that milestone too.
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Although Root is primarily a Test batter, he has also become the highest run-scorer in ODI for England.
I say Root is the greatest English batter of all time. He has the most runs in both Test and ODI.
I say Root is the greatest English batter of all time. He has the most runs in both Test and ODI.
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He must get 8k runs probably by next world cup
Lad but missed odi cricket too much in post covid time which was his absolute peak.Otherwise he would have been in 10k odi runs by end of his career
Lad but missed odi cricket too much in post covid time which was his absolute peak.Otherwise he would have been in 10k odi runs by end of his career
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Has had a second wind to his ODI career. And England need him to do well till Brook develops into a consistent ODI batter.
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Brook is doing really well in ODIs too now, but after the 2023 debacle, England realized that they do need a proper batsman at 3. For some reason, between 2020 and 2023, they decided to go without an anchor and it backfired.
England ODI cricket peaked between 2015 and 2019 and Root was the glue that held everything together while others around him kept attacking.
They should not have disbanded that formula especially because it helped them win the World Cup.
