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How highly do you rate Mohammad Yousuf?

From Hayden to this toxic softie.
His methods are outdated with those gently lobbed throwdowns and half volleys.
 
Could had been a great batsman, but his ego got the best of him.

Yousuf came from a poor background and achieved very highly in his career. Thus, once he became a senior player, he decided to stop playing domestic cricket or work on his fitness.

His stance was that because he is a senior player now and broke some record, the board should run around him and he should get selected irrespective of whether he plays domestic or not.

His career was than cut short because of this stupid attitude of his.

He was involved in some fight with a lahore cricket association representative, who placed yousuf in his place by not selecting him for a t20 tournament of pcb.
 
Compared to yousuf, one thing i really liked about akhtar was that even though akhtar had issues with everyone, he still would show up for his domestic games and fulfill his domestic duties
 
I'm not going to bring in statistics here, but the Pak batsman I feared the most was Saeed Anwar. The guy was truly class. He was the only Pak batsman I feared. I respect Mohammad Yousuf. But this question is for Pak fans, how highly do you guys rate him? Do you rate him ahead of Inzamam? Do you guys rate him alongside guys like Sachin, Lara or Ponting?
Yusuf to me was the best Pakistan batsman I have seen in overseas conditions.
 
Compared to yousuf, one thing i really liked about akhtar was that even though akhtar had issues with everyone, he still would show up for his domestic games and fulfill his domestic duties

This isn't true. Shoaib would only play the bare minimum number of domestic games needed when he became an established player for Pakistan
 
Mohammad Yousuf was a top shelf Test player with an average of 52 & a great ODI player. He gets a lot of hate because he didn’t have the flamboyance and attitude usually associated with Pakistani players of his time. He stayed away from drama and focused on his game. A true gentleman.
 
Mohammad Yousuf was a top shelf Test player with an average of 52 & a great ODI player. He gets a lot of hate because he didn’t have the flamboyance and attitude usually associated with Pakistani players of his time. He stayed away from drama and focused on his game. A true gentleman.
For 92% of his career he was a 45 averaging test player. In 2006, he averaged close to 100. Very lopsided career, that is why he is seen differently depending on how you see it.
 
Gun player. Out of his 15 odi centuries. 10 of them were not outs and all of then resulted in wins for pakistan. When this guy performed, he took his side home plain and simple.

Laughable to compare babar to him
 
What lesson?


vs Aus - 29.62
vs S.A. - 29.75
vs S.L. - 29


in Aus - 31.88
in S.A. - 26.10
in Ind - 33.73
in S.L. - 33.80


What's there to learn?
bringing out stats mean nothing...My point was about his technique for players like Saim, Babar, Abdullah etc... move on
 
bringing out stats mean nothing...My point was about his technique for players like Saim, Babar, Abdullah etc... move on
What lesson?


vs Aus - 29.62
vs S.A. - 29.75
vs S.L. - 29


in Aus - 31.88
in S.A. - 26.10
in Ind - 33.73
in S.L. - 33.80


What's there to learn?
So the man has vs Aus, vs SA, vs SL and the second bit has in Aus….and he sticks in “in India”. Well why didn’t you put vs India too - oh woops the average is 49 vs India overall (narrative malfunction!)

Why not include England? England had a pretty good test run in the early 2000s including obv the famous Ashes of 2005. Pakistan played England immediately after that. Why not include his 62 average vs England and 54 in England - narrative malfunction again!

you think we do not see stats boys. I’m on to all of these stats gymnastics
 
For 92% of his career he was a 45 averaging test player. In 2006, he averaged close to 100. Very lopsided career, that is why he is seen differently depending on how you see it.
That’s the point of averages. If we took out every player’s peak, then errmmm you don’t need to tell me, they would average less!
 
So the man has vs Aus, vs SA, vs SL and the second bit has in Aus….and he sticks in “in India”. Well why didn’t you put vs India too - oh woops the average is 49 vs India overall (narrative malfunction!)

Why not include England? England had a pretty good test run in the early 2000s including obv the famous Ashes of 2005. Pakistan played England immediately after that. Why not include his 62 average vs England and 54 in England - narrative malfunction again!

you think we do not see stats boys. I’m on to all of these stats gymnastics
Australia and South Africa were the best sides in world cricket at that point of time, while India and England were mediocre sides not worth even talking about to be honest.

Yousuf's performances in both these countries left a lot to be desired, and he went missing in big games/tournaments. He was criticized as a soft player who scored easy runs against average sides, you can pull up threads from the archives.
 
So the man has vs Aus, vs SA, vs SL and the second bit has in Aus….and he sticks in “in India”. Well why didn’t you put vs India too - oh woops the average is 49 vs India overall (narrative malfunction!)

Why not include England? England had a pretty good test run in the early 2000s including obv the famous Ashes of 2005. Pakistan played England immediately after that. Why not include his 62 average vs England and 54 in England - narrative malfunction again!

you think we do not see stats boys. I’m on to all of these stats gymnastics
Boy, that's 7 holes in his career. That's right, 7 holes in 1 single career.

With Australia and S.A. being the top 2 teams of his time.​
 
Australia and South Africa were the best sides in world cricket at that point of time, while India and England were mediocre sides not worth even talking about to be honest.

Yousuf's performances in both these countries left a lot to be desired, and he went missing in big games/tournaments. He was criticized as a soft player who scored easy runs against average sides, you can pull up threads from the archives.
Not necessarily, I’ve pointed out that the England team of the early 2000s was a team moving in an upward trajectory and had just beaten Australia after which the majority of Yousuf’s runs came against.

Yes he didn’t have a great record against Aus, but we need to have a nuanced conversation about it than to just look up stats. That makes us no better than the stat merchant Indians.

In Australia 1999 in the first test at Brisbane he played two very good knocks of 95 and 75. Had a good partnership with Inzi in the first innings and in the second after 3 quick wickets fell, he had another very good partnership with Saeed Anwar - I wouldn’t call them soft runs at all.

In 2005, after the first test drubbing, he was thrust to captaincy after Inzi pulled out. He made a glorious 111 - an innings that should have set Pakistan up for a great total if the rest of the order hadn’t capitulated losing 6-55. It certainly wasn’t something you’d call soft runs either.

Yes he had failures but an interesting stat is that he played most (nearly 90%) of his tests vs Aus in Australia.

I’m not saying he had a great record against Australia, but let’s not pretend he couldn’t play them well and let’s also not pretend that when he did score against them they were soft runs.

Similarly against South Africa he played some memorable knocks - in a low scoring game at Cape Town 2007 he made 83 out of a first innings total of 157 and nearly at a run a ball. I wouldn’t call that soft, he was the only player in the team that stood up. Similarly in the second test vs SA in 2007 (home series) he performed a rearguard with Younis to save the game in the 4th innings making 64 not out - certainly not soft runs.
 
So the man has vs Aus, vs SA, vs SL and the second bit has in Aus….and he sticks in “in India”. Well why didn’t you put vs India too - oh woops the average is 49 vs India overall (narrative malfunction!)

Why not include England? England had a pretty good test run in the early 2000s including obv the famous Ashes of 2005. Pakistan played England immediately after that. Why not include his 62 average vs England and 54 in England - narrative malfunction again!

you think we do not see stats boys. I’m on to all of these stats gymnastics
LOL, he can perform against India and England all he likes which is futile as long as he flops against Australia and South Africa with a capital F, the 2 best teams of his time.

And what great bowling line up did India boast of during his time? Just because he did well against England immediately after their Ashes win in 2005 does not make that England attack invincible. Even India defeated Australia in 2001, that makes that Indian attack invincible?

He was a flop against the top 2 bowling attacks of his time which no one can deny. And what about his flop performances in Australia, South Africa, India and Sri Lanka?​
 
LOL, he can perform against India and England all he likes which is futile as long as he flops against Australia and South Africa with a capital F, the 2 best teams of his time.

And what great bowling line up did India boast of during his time? Just because he did well against England immediately after their Ashes win in 2005 does not make that England attack invincible. Even India defeated Australia in 2001, that makes that Indian attack invincible?

He was a flop against the top 2 bowling attacks of his time which no one can deny. And what about his flop performances in Australia, South Africa, India and Sri Lanka?​
Doesn’t matter what you think really, I say England were a very good team and very good bowling attack in the 2000s. 3 Ashes between 2005-2010. Beat Pakistan away, beat SL away, even beat India away 2012.

You can froth and seeth, but England were a very good side in the 2000s with generally a very good bowling line up. As I said doesn’t matter what you think you’re just another Indian angry dude
 
And by the way, this angry dude started the thread saying “I’m not gonna talk about stats” 🤡
 
Doesn’t matter what you think really, I say England were a very good team and very good bowling attack in the 2000s. 3 Ashes between 2005-2010. Beat Pakistan away, beat SL away, even beat India away 2012.

You can froth and seeth, but England were a very good side in the 2000s with generally a very good bowling line up. As I said doesn’t matter what you think you’re just another Indian angry dude
I don't have to froth and seeth, statistical facts speak in favor of me. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

By the way, can you name some champion bowlers from England during that time in the league of McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock, etc, at least statistically?​
 
I don't have to froth and seeth, statistical facts speak in favor of me. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

By the way, can you name some champion bowlers from England during that time in the league of McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock, etc, at least statistically?​
Cricket ain’t played on paper. The England attack ate up the statistically greater Aussie attack in the 2005 series. Manz started celebrating a draw!

Sit back down - you don’t understand cricket. You can’t watch cricket on statsguru
 
Cricket ain’t played on paper. The England attack ate up the statistically greater Aussie attack in the 2005 series. Manz started celebrating a draw!

Sit back down - you don’t understand cricket. You can’t watch cricket on statsguru
Those numbers aren't written on paper according to the whims and fancies of fans. They are an accurate representation of a player's performance on the field. Like I said, we defeated a full strength Aussie team in 2001 unlike that McGrath less Aussie team that England defeated in 2005. That didn't make that Indian bowling attack invincible. We defeated that England team in England in 2007. That's how good that England team was.

By the way, can you name some champion bowlers from England during that time in the league of guys like McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock, etc? 🤡 🐒
 
Those numbers aren't written on paper according to the whims and fancies of fans. They are an accurate representation of a player's performance on the field. Like I said, we defeated a full strength Aussie team in 2001 unlike that McGrath less Aussie team that England defeated in 2005. That didn't make that Indian bowling attack invincible. We defeated that England team in England in 2007. That's how good they were.

By the way, can you name some champion bowlers from England during that time in the league of guys like McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock, etc? 🤡 🐒
Stop following me around. Just because harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard don’t have the longevity of McGrath, Pollock etc, doesn’t mean they weren’t just as dangerous or even moreso at a certain point in time - the point that Moyo actually destroyed them all.

If you can’t see that, I can’t help you.

Now you’ve had enough fan time, give me a better argument if you want me to reply again.
 
Stop following me around. Just because harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard don’t have the longevity of McGrath, Pollock etc, doesn’t mean they weren’t just as dangerous or even moreso at a certain point in time - the point that Moyo actually destroyed them all.

If you can’t see that, I can’t help you.

Now you’ve had enough fan time, give me a better argument if you want me to reply again.
Follow you around? It's you who started to follow me around by replying to me initially. I have better things to do than follow a self righteous mug like you.

Comparing Flintoff, Hoggard, Harmison with McGrath and Pollock .... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
probably the most technically correct batsman produced by Pakistan in the last 3 decades

nevertheless, either he never had the opportunity or probably did not have the mental strength to make the team win singlehandedly

one thing is for sure. no one in Pakistan in the last three decades had a better head position while batting than this guy.
 
very good test batsman, aesthetically sumptuous, also his peak was seriously broad, from 2001 to 2006 he scored 4500 runs at 67, his issue was, one, that he had a technical flaw, camping on the front foot and trying to play around his pad, when he wasnt in form he was a sitting duck against in swingers, secondly he was mentally weak, he scored runs when he was in form, when the going was good, when it wasnt he played the blame game and threw his toys out the pram.

as is usually the case on this forum, indians who didnt even watch most of his career will come and try to play down his merits, but, it doesnt discount from the fact that he was a match winner in tests when on song, and 5 years is a very good stretch. his mental weakness and lack of consistency when out of form however means he pbly wouldnt make it to an all time pak xi. doesnt mean that he wasnt a seriously fine player, and seriously beautiful to watch when on song, something people seem to discount, which isnt surprising given as i said, his biggest detractors didnt even watch him that much.
 
Very similar to Mahela Jayawardene.
One of the Legends of Pakistan Cricket.

Yousuf performed better than Younis in the era where both played together.
 
Stop following me around. Just because harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard don’t have the longevity of McGrath, Pollock etc, doesn’t mean they weren’t just as dangerous or even moreso at a certain point in time - the point that Moyo actually destroyed them all.

If you can’t see that, I can’t help you.

Now you’ve had enough fan time, give me a better argument if you want me to reply again.
Follow you around? It's you who started to follow me around by replying to me initially. I have better things to do than follow a self righteous mug like you.

Comparing Flintoff, Hoggard, Harmison with McGrath and Pollock .... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
so yousuf is a great batter because he thrashed flintoff, amderson and harmisson but utterly failed against pidge and shaun and are we seriously comparing them and equating them for that. Yousuf was a very good technical batter but struggled against the best bowling attacks of the era, still probably one of the ATGs of 2000s has some good innings
 
technically he was very sound. MAybe he can work with younger boys like u19 team to teach them a thing or 2.
 
so yousuf is a great batter because he thrashed flintoff, amderson and harmisson but utterly failed against pidge and shaun and are we seriously comparing them and equating them for that. Yousuf was a very good technical batter but struggled against the best bowling attacks of the era, still probably one of the ATGs of 2000s has some good innings
And Flintoff had moments where he made Ponting and Gilchrist look like schoolboys. Yousuf didn’t always fail against McGrath and Pollock and personally I don’t even rate Pollock very high. How about you judge pollock how he did against the best team of his time - Australia - Average of 36 and strike rate of 80! Not only that, I saw many matches where in tough conditions Pollock would go missing, bowl minimal overs just to not have his stats affected.

You can play stats yoga and go in to space with it and bring up stuff to suit your own narrative. But cricket ain’t played on paper, you have to use your eye, remember match conditions and have a bit more of a nuanced analysis. Anyone can google or now AI search any stats. I’ve explained some of that in a post above.

Yousuf had his flaws no doubt, and of course he could have done better, but all this stats this, stats that. Sorry, cricket ain’t played on paper. You need to watch the game.
 
A very fine batsman who was an absolute joy to watch. Did he underachieve? Yes, but he also had a crazy peak in 2006. The overrated fraud Tendulkar never came close to that peak level despite being apparently the best batsman to ever play the game.

I just wish that Yousaf wasn't such an egomaniac. Because of his ego, he missed out on playing in the UAE, where no doubt he would have scored a bucketload of runs. He had the talent to score 10k runs in both tests and ODIs.
 
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