Yusuf to me was the best Pakistan batsman I have seen in overseas conditions.
For 92% of his career he was a 45 averaging test player. In 2006, he averaged close to 100. Very lopsided career, that is why he is seen differently depending on how you see it.
What lesson?
bringing out stats mean nothing...My point was about his technique for players like Saim, Babar, Abdullah etc... move on
So the man has vs Aus, vs SA, vs SL and the second bit has in Aus….and he sticks in “in India”. Well why didn’t you put vs India too - oh woops the average is 49 vs India overall (narrative malfunction!)
That’s the point of averages. If we took out every player’s peak, then errmmm you don’t need to tell me, they would average less!
Australia and South Africa were the best sides in world cricket at that point of time, while India and England were mediocre sides not worth even talking about to be honest.
Not necessarily, I’ve pointed out that the England team of the early 2000s was a team moving in an upward trajectory and had just beaten Australia after which the majority of Yousuf’s runs came against.
Doesn’t matter what you think really, I say England were a very good team and very good bowling attack in the 2000s. 3 Ashes between 2005-2010. Beat Pakistan away, beat SL away, even beat India away 2012.
Cricket ain’t played on paper. The England attack ate up the statistically greater Aussie attack in the 2005 series. Manz started celebrating a draw!I don't have to froth and seeth, statistical facts speak in favor of me.
By the way, can you name some champion bowlers from England during that time in the league of McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock, etc, at least statistically?
Stop following me around. Just because harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard don’t have the longevity of McGrath, Pollock etc, doesn’t mean they weren’t just as dangerous or even moreso at a certain point in time - the point that Moyo actually destroyed them all.Those numbers aren't written on paper according to the whims and fancies of fans. They are an accurate representation of a player's performance on the field. Like I said, we defeated a full strength Aussie team in 2001 unlike that McGrath less Aussie team that England defeated in 2005. That didn't make that Indian bowling attack invincible. We defeated that England team in England in 2007. That's how good they were.
By the way, can you name some champion bowlers from England during that time in the league of guys like McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock, etc?
Follow you around? It's you who started to follow me around by replying to me initially. I have better things to do than follow a self righteous mug like you.
so yousuf is a great batter because he thrashed flintoff, amderson and harmisson but utterly failed against pidge and shaun and are we seriously comparing them and equating them for that. Yousuf was a very good technical batter but struggled against the best bowling attacks of the era, still probably one of the ATGs of 2000s has some good inningsFollow you around? It's you who started to follow me around by replying to me initially. I have better things to do than follow a self righteous mug like you.
Comparing Flintoff, Hoggard, Harmison with McGrath and Pollock ....
And Flintoff had moments where he made Ponting and Gilchrist look like schoolboys. Yousuf didn’t always fail against McGrath and Pollock and personally I don’t even rate Pollock very high. How about you judge pollock how he did against the best team of his time - Australia - Average of 36 and strike rate of 80! Not only that, I saw many matches where in tough conditions Pollock would go missing, bowl minimal overs just to not have his stats affected.
Was Muhammad Yousuf ATG?
One of Pakistan's ATG for sure.
But for me he and Hussey are two batters (who average above 50 ) are not ATG
Local greats. Internationally not that well-acknowledged.
But but he score most on flat pitches just like Sehwag
He played three series in England. In two he failed, and in the other the pitches were flat.
Younis was way better than Yousuf
In that case I will give gloves to Hanif and put Yousuf or Azhar in side
Zaheer record were not good as Younis record were
Batting was a lot tougher in the 80s compared to the 2000-2010 periods.
I would keep rizwan in consideration. While he's played only around 40 tests , that's still a fair amount. Hes comfortably the best batsman among the other wicket keepers and he's a steady wicket keeper even if he isn't as good as the others behind the stumps.
I reckon, that was 2000s where a lot of batters avg 50, tbf
Oh absolutely MoYo was a treat to watch and wonderful player of swing bowling (as evidenced by his bucket load of runs in the 2006 Tour of England)
Comparing Yousuf to current pak batters, is like comparing don bradman to his peers in his era
No Yousuf was a good test batsman but failed to fire in Odi tournaments I would back a few of the younger batsmen coming through to have more impact in future tournaments in 50 over cricket.
The tone doesn’t suggest a serious post but taking it on face value, don’t think Moyo will make it to top 3 Pak batsmen leave alone Asia/South Asia. Definitely a Pak great though.
