How India have used mental disintegration techniques against England!

[MenInG]

India captain Virat Kohli says on-field "tension" surrounding Jasprit Bumrah served to fire his side up as they completed a crushing 151-run victory over England at Lord's.

Bumrah was involved in barbed exchanges with England fielders while batting on the final morning as he shared an unbroken 89-run partnership with Mohammed Shami to lay the foundations for India's success.

That friction stemmed back to the third evening of the match, when Bumrah had subjected England tailender James Anderson to a fusillade of short-pitched deliveries, including one that struck him on the helmet.

"What happened at the end of our second innings with the bowlers, that bit of tension really helped us and charged us up and motivated us to finish this game off," said Kohli.

"It takes a lot of character to bat like that under pressure, as bowlers who don't often bat, and they then charged out and took the new ball and got us two breakthroughs as well, which was crucial for us.

"When we were at our most successful in Test cricket for a year and a half, our lower order was always contributing and that's something we went away from a little bit when we went away from home.

"So that was one of our focuses, the batting coaches really worked hard with the boys and when they're walking out to bat, they believe they can stay there and get runs for the team.

"I think that belief was missing but now they have the desire to stay there and do the job for the team and we know how priceless those runs are. That proved to be the case today."

Bumrah, who finished on 34 not out and Shami, unbeaten on 59, enabled Kohli to declare shortly after lunch with an overall lead of 272, giving his bowlers 60 overs to win the Test.

The seam duo then removed both England openers for ducks within the first 10 balls of their reply and fellow paceman Mohammed Siraj went on to excel with figures of 4-32 as the hosts were dismissed for 120.

"We decided we were going to have a crack at them with 60 overs," Kohli added. "I didn't want to walk off the field later thinking 'what if we had four or five more overs left?'.

"We had the belief we could get them out in those 60 overs and the bowlers were outstanding - especially for someone like Siraj, playing at Lord's for the first time.

"We've got three matches left in the series and we're not going to sit on our laurels and take it easy. If anything we're going to get more intense in what we do in the next three games."

SKY

 

[MenInG]

Third evening of the Lord’s Test. India have managed to knock down nine England batters after being sent on a leather hunt through the day by Joe Root who is still batting like a dream. James Anderson has joined his captain but the tourists know the end of England innings is just a delivery away.

Bumrah has been wicketless. He is eager to add finish the innings with at least a wicket. Root or Anderson? Doesn’t matter.

The Indian unleashes a bouncer barrage towards England’s No. 11. In the process, he oversteps four times in one over. Anderson is bowled on his 16th delivery faced but not by Bumrah. As the players walked off, an animated discussion followed, involving Bumrah and Anderson. It was easy to guess what it was about and what the Englishman appeared a little miffed.

The exchange was the just a trailer to the epic picture that would unfold across the final two days of at Lord’s.

Bumrah breaks the unwritten code

You don’t bowl bouncer to the tail-enders. It’s not a rule. It’s not advised. It’s not mandatory. Heck, it’s not even against the spirit of the game. But it’s a mutual understanding. But if you do that, it’s totally legitimate. India having conceded the first innings lead to England, largely due to Root’s masterclass of an innings, were eager to get rid of their tail. And they succeeded despite being frustrated by Root earlier. Bumrah intimidated Anderson with a series of short deliveries – the first of which hit him on the helmet, and resulted in a check for concussion - a sight which has become quite common now.

Despite the helmet blow, Bumrah didn’t relent. He continued with the body blows upon resumption. Mohammed Shami befitted from his teammates’ tactics as he cleaned up the England veteran. England’s first innings came to an end.

Neither Anderson nor Root looked pleased as they were going back to the dressing room with the day’s play coming to an end with the final wicket. Anderson engaged in a lively discussion with Bumrah. A revenge was brewing.

England lose the plot

Having knocked over India’s top-three batters cheaply, the hosts made a stunning start to the penultimate day. It took a blockathon from India’s middle-order pair of Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane to thwart fiery English attack which landed some late blows to leave the contest wide open late into the day. But it all changed with the arrival of Bumrah.

The Englishman seemed to be irked by what Bumrah did to their veteran pacer. And expectedly, Mark Wood unleased bouncer-barrage. Words were exchanged. With Wood. With Buttler. With Root himself. Bumrah didn’t back out. He responded. Umpires had to get involved.

Bumrah slapped a four. Kohli stood up in the Lord’s balcony and clapped, uttering choicest words in Hindi. He wasn’t on the field but somehow managed to get himself involved into the psychological warfare.

With Shami, who scored a half-century, Bumrah stitched an unbeaten stand of 89 runs for the ninth wicket. England wasted their energies on Bumrah and India capitalized. The Test from thereon turned on its head.

And let’s not forget how Bumrah asked Haseeb Hameed to help him tie his shoe and Shami pulled down his trousers forcing an unnecessary delay while waiting for the arrival of a new thighpad. To a casual eye, these seem innocent events but to a trained one, the message and intent behind was loud and clear.

Chirpy Indians

With nearly two sessions of play left in the 2nd Test, Kohli declared India’s innings. England were left to chase 272 runs. India needed 10 wickets. Obviously, with the conditions, the hosts weren’t going to look for runs and play for draw.

From the very first ball of the innings, delivered by Bumrah, Indian players surrounded English players. Now their turn to react on what England did to their star bowler. Almost everybody got an earful. Result? For the first time at Lord’s both England openers failed to score.

Kohli was leading the charge. He was vocal. Very vocal. He celebrated each wicket wildly. He gave incoming England batters a reception. He teased Buttler and Moeen Ali with ‘not white-ball cricket’ remark.

Indian pacers continued to strike, steadily tilting the balance in their favour. In walks Ollie Robinson. And Mohammed Siraj pings him on his chest with a vicious short pitched delivery. And he’s not done yet. A death-stare followed.

Robinson had something to say to every India batter earlier in the contest. India were balancing the ledger.

They could have easily avoided the confrontations had they learnt anything from how India reacted to sledging on Australia tour earlier this year. Tim Paine would have happily told them about it.

India outclassed England with skills and words

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...and-in-war-of-words-at-the-lords-4094642.html

 

[Mamoon]

People love a good story but the bottom-line is that India is a much better side than England even in these English conditions.

Other than Root and Anderson, no England player gets into the Indian XI.

India would have been 2-0 up here if it wasn’t for rain in the first Test, and if they bring their A game in the remaining Tests, they can take this series 4-0.

 

[Robert]

Kohli definitely won the psychological battle with Root. England collectively lost it between the ears for one mad hour and the match was lost.

 

[enigmatic_stani]

People love a good story but the bottom-line is that India is a much better side than England even in these English conditions.

Other than Root and Anderson, no England player gets into the Indian XI.

India would have been 2-0 up here if it wasn’t for rain in the first Test, and if they bring their A game in the remaining Tests, they can take this series 4-0.

Agree completely this England test team is pretty average and India are miles ahead in talent and ability overall. No need for mind games when the team is just so much stronger.

 

[globalcitizen]

We were hearing india will lose 4-0 before from some posters, that means they still believed england was stronger team, now what's changed suddenly?

Fact is both teams struggled, but india just supreme in critical moments. It was giving back to opposition almost bullying them to submission.

 

[Itachi]

Don't think psychological effects could play on THAT level.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Funny its always the stronger team that benefits from mental disintegration.

You could argue that there really is no such thing and that the better side will usually win.

 

[Energy]

Funny its always the stronger team that benefits from mental disintegration.

You could argue that there really is no such thing and that the better side will usually win.

That's right, but how do you quantify who is the better side? Player stats maybe? However, to achieve those stats you'd have had to play tough cricket consistently and mental strength plays a role there.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That's right, but how do you quantify who is the better side? Player stats maybe? However, to achieve those stats you'd have had to play tough cricket consistently and mental strength plays a role there.

Mental strength definitley does, the ability to absorb pressure and stick to a plan is critical.

But the article says the first time in the series the English batsmen failed to score and puts it down to the Indians sledging. That may have had a minor role but England will pulversied with bat and ball by a superior outfit, not by harsh words.

 

[shortbread]

Reading too much into it. The fact is England simply let the egos dictate and ended up shooting themselves in the foot!

India were losing this. All England had to do was to bowl at the stumps as would be the case against any tail ender. But no, they had a statement to make, WHAT FOR?

Anyone watching Bumrah bowl to Anderson saw that it was nothing personal. They were using a ploy so that Anderson would throw his wicket away. Anderson has been doing this a long time against far more ferocious bowlers, he can take care of himself.

But oh no, we have a statement to make. Imagine what would have happened if they kept their cool, bowled India out under 200 and restricted to a 170 lead. India would give 20-30 in extras so realistically 150 with the bat.

Just plain stupidity!

 

[UzmanBeast]

Don't think psychological effects could play on THAT level.

No, it is quite possible.

You look at this England team and the current Indian team.

The pressure was always on England before this series began, because after getting battered and humiliated in India and at home by New Zealand, they had to put up a performance.

These are simple mind games but they have such an important effect. England's bowlers who resorted to using the bouncer barrage inevitably damaged the ball with short-pitched deliveries preventing any swing movement, which is why they were pleading with the umpires for a ball change because there was no movement and Shami/Bumrah had already cashed in.

It was a brilliant mind-game, and even Root admitted that he fell into the trap.

 

[Titan24]

As I mentioned in the prediction thread as well this is the best chance for India in last decade or so to win a series in Eng.

Just one Eng batsman averages even 40+ and that is Joe Root. Absence of Archer, Stokes, Woakes and now Broad further depleted the firepower.

Current Indian team on paper is superior than the current available Eng team even in English conditions.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Kohli definitely won the psychological battle with Root. England collectively lost it between the ears for one mad hour and the match was lost.

They lost the opportunity to win, but is it that hard to dead bat 60 overs? Pitch was not that difficult either.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

As I mentioned in the prediction thread as well this is the best chance for India in last decade or so to win a series in Eng.

Just one Eng batsman averages even 40+ and that is Joe Root. Absence of Archer, Stokes, Woakes and now Broad further depleted the firepower.

Current Indian team on paper is superior than the current available Eng team even in English conditions.

Ollie Robinson >> Broad.

Sam Curran, Ali, Buttler, Root and Bairstow all tormented us in 2018. We do not have even 1 conventional swing bowler in our attack.

 

[Titan24]

Ollie Robinson >> Broad.

Sam Curran, Ali, Buttler, Root and Bairstow all tormented us in 2018. We do not have even 1 conventional swing bowler in our attack.

Broad has fantastic numbers in Eng in last two-three years, yes struggled in sub continent. Robinson has been really good without a doubt but, early days and needs support around.

I think the biggest advantage India has this time around is that their overall pace attack is more mature and with time and experience has got more refined as well. Siraj’s addition has been good as well.

Despite Eng’s struggles in batting their bowling attack could have allowed them to compete well but, with the absence of the mentioned players that potential depleted as well.

Yes, India has done extremely well against the players you have mentioned this time around till now.

 

[Proactive_]

England's current batting line up is EASILY the worst batting line up of a Top 4 team I've ever seen. The team has 1 batsman, 1 wicketkeeper and 9 tailenders. I don't mean to sound exaggerating but it's indeed THAT bad. No wonder the one innings Root didn't contribute was the one in which England collapsed in no time. It's hideous how much one batsman is carrying the team.

Kohli can do all the chest thumping that he wants but the fact remains that he's the biggest liability in the team right now, bar none.

 

[BDfanforever]

Inculsion of Siraj bro have made Ind bowling more potent. There is just something about his "die hard"attitude...

 

[jnaveen1980]

This was more a self-disintegration lol. After Bumrah's 14 minute assault with ball they thought it was great to give him back. It completely backfired. Those lengths worked in favor of Bumrah.

 

[sharmaji]

This!

England were cruising, they lost it because of their own stupidity.

Reading too much into it. The fact is England simply let the egos dictate and ended up shooting themselves in the foot!

India were losing this. All England had to do was to bowl at the stumps as would be the case against any tail ender. But no, they had a statement to make, WHAT FOR?

Anyone watching Bumrah bowl to Anderson saw that it was nothing personal. They were using a ploy so that Anderson would throw his wicket away. Anderson has been doing this a long time against far more ferocious bowlers, he can take care of himself.

But oh no, we have a statement to make. Imagine what would have happened if they kept their cool, bowled India out under 200 and restricted to a 170 lead. India would give 20-30 in extras so realistically 150 with the bat.

Just plain stupidity!

 

[MP2011]

Just one Eng batsman averages even 40+ and that is Joe Root. Absence of Archer, Stokes, Woakes and now Broad further depleted the firepower.

We are not exactly overflowing with batting firepower in our ranks either. Our batting is equally dire, just that our bowling is superior (as surprising it may sound to some) to that of England even in their own conditions.

They at least have Root who is so consistent in both the test matches. We've no one who comes anywhere close to him.

 

[Buffet]

They played poorly on the last day. Rest, then come to bowl bouncers at number 11, and then went back to rest ... Summed up the priority for Eng. Priority should be to win games and not making sure that no one bowls a bouncer at Anderson.

India still has a brittle batting and Eng should do its best to exploit it.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

England lost because they been a worse team. England is practically playing with 9 players, their openers are arguably the worst among all test nations. And the only English batsman in the current team who can bat for 30 overs each match is Joe Root. India has a terrible middle order too but the players are far more experience and used to be great before.

England is a good side but they are far behind Ind, NZ and Aus.

 

[Savak]

You put this England side against the present Pakistan side and watch them amass 500 runs. India are just simply superior with a world class bowling attack.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This was more a self-disintegration lol. After Bumrah's 14 minute assault with ball they thought it was great to give him back. It completely backfired. Those lengths worked in favor of Bumrah.

Also, India does not indulge in such tactics usually unlike Waugh's Australia. Robinson and Jimmy provoked the batters on day 1 and that what really triggered the Indian team . Also this is not even mental disintegration . That usually involves someone having a go at a player in a press conference and preying on their vulnerabilities on and off the pitch etc.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

People love a good story but the bottom-line is that India is a much better side than England even in these English conditions.

Other than Root and Anderson, no England player gets into the Indian XI.

India would have been 2-0 up here if it wasn’t for rain in the first Test, and if they bring their A game in the remaining Tests, they can take this series 4-0.

Stokes and Archer?

 

[Mamoon]

Stokes and Archer?

I am talking about the team that is playing currently.

Yes the quitter Stokes and Archer walk into the Indian team.

 

[mystical man]

I am talking about the team that is playing currently.

Yes the quitter Stokes and Archer walk into the Indian team.

I don't think archer can create an impact like anderson or broad who are both in their 40's using up the spot for an upcoming talent.

 

[mystical man]

You put this England side against the present Pakistan side and watch them amass 500 runs. India are just simply superior with a world class bowling attack.

The same windies team with the exception of Seales played against India in 2019 and were single handedly decimated by Bumrah in both of the test matches with margins of 200 and 300 runs respectively

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I am talking about the team that is playing currently.

Yes the quitter Stokes and Archer walk into the Indian team.

Jofra does not walk in to our test team. Hes not good enough in that format. He'd easily make it to our ODI team though.

 

[princeuk]

Its a very pakistan-esque defeat for england, had their noses in front at the beginning of the day and then somehow lost the match

 

[Kroll]

Jofra does not walk in to our test team. Hes not good enough in that format. He'd easily make it to our ODI team though.

Yes, but we were all told on these boards that he's the best bowler in the world.

 

[Balthazar]

English is not even their native tongue. So it's kind of hard to play mind games effectively on your opponents.

 

[globalcitizen]

English were acting like school boys until they had a reality check.
crowd going against rahul with racial slurs and throwing bottle corks to distract his concentration.
Anderson and Robinson going against batters.
Anderson getting passed with bumrah for bowling bouncers.
When tide changed, india were giving back in equal sum.

Eventually india were deserved winners

 

[Mamoon]

Jofra does not walk in to our test team. Hes not good enough in that format. He'd easily make it to our ODI team though.

Archer would be devastating under Kohli’s captaincy, he would get the best out of him. No one uses fast bowlers better than Kohli.

His ceiling is much higher than Ishant, Siraj etc. so he would definitely get the nod over them.

 

[Robert]

Jofra does not walk in to our test team. Hes not good enough in that format. He'd easily make it to our ODI team though.

Archer would be fast for two spells then bowl medium pace for the rest of the match. He’s an ODI bowler. India have bowlers who can sustain their pace over a match and a series.

 

[MenInG]

India and England’s Test encounter at the Lord’s ended in a dramatic fashion, with the visitors running away with a 151-run win. Apart from some good cricket, the match also had a lot of verbal volleys between the two sides. To this, England head coach Chris Silverwood said that they are not “scared of a fight” and they would “push India back” if they try to push them.

“The one thing we’re not scared of is a little bit of a fight,” Silverwood said. “They push us, we push back, to me it creates great Test cricket. We’re disappointed with the result, but what a Test match to watch. There has been a little bit of fire in there, emotion from two sets of proud players representing their country. I think it’s great, the guys are getting stuck into this fight and I am enjoying it.”

The tussle started late on day three when Jasprit Bumrah started bowling bouncers at James Anderson. What seemed like a mere strategy to wrap up the tail, wasn’t appreciated much by Anderson. While walking back, the veteran was seen saying something to Bumrah.

The back and forth continued when skipper Virat Kohli came out to bat the next day and decided to give it back to Anderson.

But Silverwood joined captain Joe Root in admitting they got it wrong when they continually attacked Bumrah in particular with short-pitched bowling during an unbroken ninth-wicket stand of 89 that extinguished England’s hopes of victory.

“It’s a collective thing and I am part of it,” admitted the coach. “If we are in that situation again we need to go back to Plan A sooner. I don’t mind an aggressive approach and you have to give credit to India but equally, we have to look at our tactics.”

The third Test will be played at Headingley from August 25.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...ht-england-head-coach-chris-silverwood-995443

 

[Sir Alex]

Archer would be devastating under Kohli’s captaincy, he would get the best out of him. No one uses fast bowlers better than Kohli.

His ceiling is much higher than Ishant, Siraj etc. so he would definitely get the nod over them.

Archer was used poprly by Root at least early on in his career. For a strike tearaway fast bowler, he was used as a stock bowler, often bowling over 25 overs in an innings and up to 42 overs once. Pretty sure VK wouldn't do that.

 

[mastimasti]

These threads will look so silly if we lose the series.

 

[OMB]

lol yeah.
Afterall all of us were predicting that England will take the series victory

 

[MenInG]

The second Test between India and England at Lord's Cricket Ground wasn't just a contest between the bat and the ball. Tempers flared as the players clashed with each other on the field, exchanging verbal barbs. As per a report, however, the players reportedly clashed with each other away from the field too, with a few Indian players being accused of not giving England pacer Ollie Robinson the passage to the ground from the pavillion.

England batters struggled to keep wickets intact in the second innings as India pacers rattled the hosts' batting unit. Ollie Robinson had to come out to bat with his team's score reading 90/7. However, a report in The Guardian newspaper claims that he wasn't given the free passage.

“As [Ollie] Robinson descends the pavilion steps, a couple of India players in tracksuits are coming back in the opposite direction, having just been out on the field delivering drinks. Robinson stops and waits for them to step aside," a report in the Guardian newspaper stated.

“They do not step aside. Robinson waits. They wait. Eventually, after a fashion, they sort of awkwardly squeeze past each other. The whole encounter lasts barely a couple of seconds and yet as a motif for this bruising, absorbing final day it is hard to beat," the report added.

There were quite a few moments of tension in the middle, especially since Jasprit Bumrah decided to target James Anderson with a few bouncers. England pacers, in return, lost the plot with their bizarre tactics against Indian tailenders in the second innings.

Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah orchestrated an unbeaten 89-run stand for the 9th wicket to take the game away from England. In return, Indian bowlers bundled out the hosts for just 120 runs, winning the match by 151 runs to go 1-0 ahead in the series.

England captain Joe Root also admitted that the hosts got their tactics wrong as the decision to sledge the Indians backfired. Despite several moments of altercation between India and England players, Root assured that there's no bad blood between the two groups.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...inson-passage-during-lords-test-report/801018

 

[MenInG]

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Kohli vs Anderson sledging

 

[street cricketer]

India also drew the first test at Nottingham and won the 2nd test at Lords in 2014. Then what happened was an absolute demolition job by England in the next 3 tests.

All this talk of mental disintegration is a bit much after a single test. England could easily turn the tables and win the remaining tests and win the series and talks of mental disintegration would look foolish.

 

[JattMaula]

India also drew the first test at Nottingham and won the 2nd test at Lords in 2014. Then what happened was an absolute demolition job by England in the next 3 tests.

All this talk of mental disintegration is a bit much after a single test. England could easily turn the tables and win the remaining tests and win the series and talks of mental disintegration would look foolish.

This.

England collapse once on the final day and people are losing their minds. India lost first tests of the series' in Australia and against England in India with to a single collapse each. We still won the rest of the matches both times.

Final day collapses are nothing new. And there is no mental disintegration.

Series got little heated due to English team getting angry due to couple of bouncers to their precious flower. That's it. Rest is just cricket.

 

[ak619]

This.

England collapse once on the final day and people are losing their minds. India lost first tests of the series' in Australia and against England in India with to a single collapse each. We still won the rest of the matches both times.

Final day collapses are nothing new. And there is no mental disintegration.

Series got little heated due to English team getting angry due to couple of bouncers to their precious flower. That's it. Rest is just cricket.

Agree. A lot of hyperbole and counting of eggs before they hatch when 60% of the series is still left to play.

 

[Babbar]

India can easily lose the series from here. It has happened so many times earlier.

For England it’s to critical that Anderson can continue to bowl 50+ over per match. He and Root are key to English series victory.

But long spells will take toll on his vintage body in 4/5th match and also affect England’s world cup chances.

So decision time for England.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Archer would be devastating under Kohli’s captaincy, he would get the best out of him. No one uses fast bowlers better than Kohli.

His ceiling is much higher than Ishant, Siraj etc. so he would definitely get the nod over them.

Even Siraj?

Siraj might end up being the undisputed best bowler in the world one day.

Potential is insane.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

India also drew the first test at Nottingham and won the 2nd test at Lords in 2014. Then what happened was an absolute demolition job by England in the next 3 tests.

All this talk of mental disintegration is a bit much after a single test. England could easily turn the tables and win the remaining tests and win the series and talks of mental disintegration would look foolish.

This.

England collapse once on the final day and people are losing their minds. India lost first tests of the series' in Australia and against England in India with to a single collapse each. We still won the rest of the matches both times.

Final day collapses are nothing new. And there is no mental disintegration.

Series got little heated due to English team getting angry due to couple of bouncers to their precious flower. That's it. Rest is just cricket.

Exactly.

Even in 2016, India almost collapsed in Rajkot final day.

Then we unleashed hell on them.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Hope this thread doesn't backfire. England came close in both the tests and we are due a major batting collapse.

 

[Napa]

Hope this thread doesn't backfire. England came close in both the tests and we are due a major batting collapse.

Kohli, Pujara and Rohit are also due centuries

 

[JattMaula]

Kohli, Pujara and Rohit are also due centuries

Kaptaan and ChePu are due at least a half century. No. 3 and 4 can't be scoring this low.

 

[PakLFC]

If one side uses abusive language or psychological tactics then they have no right to cry when the other does too. Seems that England was intimidated by Kohli's on field aggression towards them. I didn't see much wrong with the behaviour of the Indian players.

 

[Varun]

This is why New Zealand always beat us.

Unlike England or Australia and their frequent bust-ups, their nice guy approach doesn't provide us fodder to use as an object of momentum.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Even Siraj?

Siraj might end up being the undisputed best bowler in the world one day.

Potential is insane.

I dont think there's any chance of that. His ceiling is not higher than either Rabada or Cummins'.

 

[Babbar]

Siraj hasn’t proven much yet. He’s taking wickets in very pace-swing friendly pitches. Let him prove that he can take wickets in India, SL and the rest of Eng tour.

Siraj is probably the fifth best in India after the three playing and Bhuvi.

 

[Robert]

India also drew the first test at Nottingham and won the 2nd test at Lords in 2014. Then what happened was an absolute demolition job by England in the next 3 tests.

All this talk of mental disintegration is a bit much after a single test. England could easily turn the tables and win the remaining tests and win the series and talks of mental disintegration would look foolish.

Hmmm. England had Cook, Bell, Stokes and Broad then.

I don’t think England can come back. At this point it’s more about finding players with a bit of ticker for the Ashes.

 

[Ab Fan]

Why are Indian posters putting Siraj on pedestal like other side does with Shaheen or Hasnain? Don’t take him so high as his good performances in future are mocked.

Siraj hasn’t proven much yet. He’s taking wickets in very pace-swing friendly pitches. Let him prove that he can take wickets in India, SL and the rest of Eng tour.

Siraj is probably the fifth best in India after the three playing and Bhuvi.

Siraj was impressive vs England at home too. His red ball FC stats playing in subcontinent is pretty excellent too. But I do agree that some people are putting him on pedestral a bit too early.

Comparisons with proven performers like Rabada and Cummins are over the top. Those guys have got a lot more test wickets than Siraj at same age. In terms of prospect however, I do feel he has a greater ceiling than Shami and Ishant though and daresay Bumrah in tests too.

 

[Itachi]

It's a pre mature thread in my opinion.

 

[street cricketer]

Hmmm. England had Cook, Bell, Stokes and Broad then.

I don’t think England can come back. At this point it’s more about finding players with a bit of ticker for the Ashes.

I don't trust our batting either. The middle order is non existent.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I dont think there's any chance of that. His ceiling is not higher than either Rabada or Cummins'.

I meant in tests.

But yeah I see your point.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Siraj hasn’t proven much yet. He’s taking wickets in very pace-swing friendly pitches. Let him prove that he can take wickets in India, SL and the rest of Eng tour.

Siraj is probably the fifth best in India after the three playing and Bhuvi.

Its not about the number of wickets you take.

Its how you take it and where you take it.

Watch how Siraj worked out Root and picked him off in a rank turner in India.

Bcci.tv will have the highlights.

Havent seen any bowler do that in Asia recently.

Siraj has the knack to bowl the scrambled seam which allows him to make it talk on the flattest of surfaces.

Even Tendulkar talked about it and mentioned how it was not fluke but pure skill.

 

[Napa]

This is why New Zealand always beat us.

Unlike England or Australia and their frequent bust-ups, their nice guy approach doesn't provide us fodder to use as an object of momentum.

New Zealand always beats us... except when they play in India

 

[Varun]

New Zealand always beats us... except when they play in India

They beat us in India in the 2016 World T20. The game was held in Nagpur.

 

[OMB]

lol this has been the case.
We can just hope that one of NZ player will let the WTC win go to his head and will try sledging Kohli.

 

[MenInG]

Former skipper Michael Vaughan has slammed England head coach Chris Silverwood for not even trying to stop Joe Root from his bouncer barrage tactic against India in the second Test, which badly backfired leading "worst 20 minutes" before lunch session.

Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah scripted a sensational turnaround on the final day when they shared a record ninth wicket partnership of 89 runs to help India set a 272-run target, which England failed to achieve after being bowled out for 120.

"The nadir came in that hour and 20 minutes before lunch on the fifth day of the second Test, which must rank among the worst stuff I've seen from an England Test team in years," Vaughan wrote in a facebook post.

Bumrah, who had bowled a lot of bouncers to England tail-enders especially James Anderson, found himself in the receiving end when he walked out to bat with pacer Mark Wood and wicketkeeper Jos Buttler exchanging words with the Indian seamer.

However, it boomeranged as Bumrah and Shami rescued India from 209-8 to 298-8 declared. The visitors eventually thrashed England by 151 runs in the 2nd Test.

"Plenty has been written and said about how England lost the plot in attempting to bounce out Jasprit Bumrah, and Joe Root was undeniably let down by some of his senior players who should have intervened with him sooner, but I also wanted to see something from the coach," Vaughan wrote.

"Why was Silverwood not sending someone out onto the pitch with a drink, asking Root what the hell was going on and getting him to change tactics? I know that is what Duncan Fletcher would have done with me had I suffered a brain-fade on the field."

Vaughan said England completely "blew" their chances on that session.

"Every Test match essentially boils down to a handful of moments which dictate the outcome: the best teams rise to them and find a way to win them.

"This was the big moment in the second Test and England blew it, and Silverwood has to take his share of responsibility for that."

England now trail the five-match series 0-1 and Vaughan said the onus is on Silverwood to change the momentum of the series.

"He (Chris Silverwood) has to show that he is capable of changing England's momentum in this series, because at the moment it is only going one way and that is in the direction of Virat Kohli, who has his hosts right where he wants them - hot under the collar, not thinking straight and making silly mistakes," Vaughan wrote.

The third Test will begin at Headingley on Wednesday.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...hris-silverwood-should-have-stepped-in/392253

 

[Itachi]

Its not about the number of wickets you take.

Its how you take it and where you take it.

Watch how Siraj worked out Root and picked him off in a rank turner in India.

Bcci.tv will have the highlights.

Havent seen any bowler do that in Asia recently.

Siraj has the knack to bowl the scrambled seam which allows him to make it talk on the flattest of surfaces.

Even Tendulkar talked about it and mentioned how it was not fluke but pure skill.

Siraj? I always took him as a bowler who will shine once in a while but won't trust him though.

 

[OMB]

India vs England, 3rd Test: Ajinkya Rahane Says India Not Interested in Playing Mind Games

Ajinkya Rahane during a training session at Leeds ahead of Third Test match.Ajinkya Rahane during a training session at Leeds ahead of Third Test match.

The Headingley will be an unknown territory for the current Indian team since none of the players have the experience of playing there. But for Rahane, that is not something which is worrying the side.

India vice-captain Ajinkya Rahane has denied that they are planning to get into England’s skin when they take on the hosts in the third Test match in Headingly. Things got heated up between two sides at Lord’s as India romped home by 151 runs in an exciting Test match. Captain Virat Kohli, pacers Mohammed Siraj and Jasprit Bumrah tried their very best to hit back at the opposition, hence Rahane’s admission might come across as contrasting.

“We are not thinking anything like that (getting under England’s skin). For us, what’s important is to play good cricket, staying at the moment and play one game at a time,” Rahane said while addressing the media ahead of the third Test.

The Headingley will be an unknown territory for the current Indian team since none of the players have the experience of playing there. But for Rahane, that is not something which is worrying the side.

“When you are playing in the UK, your line and lengths are very important and that’s a challenge as a bowling unit. 2014 when we came here, we were a young unit, the guys were still learning. Now we are experienced.

“All the bowlers have played all over the world, they know how to bowl in ceratin situation. We focussed on bowling in right areas."

Asked of tail-enders’ batting affect rival team’s openers.

“It does affect the batsmen. They keep thinking about their batting when 7-8 wickets fall. You can see they started practising shadow batting in slips, they start jumping (warming up), start doing foot work.

“This tail partnership mentally exhausts the batsmen. That was a good sign for us in last matches. Credit to them. They themselves want to bat after bowling, it feels good to know they want to contribute with the bat as well."

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/india-vs-england-3rd-test-ajinkya-rahane-says-india-not-interested-in-playing-mind-games-4119857.html

 

[MenInG]

Captain Virat Kohli says his India team were "provoked" by England in the second Test - and will "not take a backwards step" when they meet again at Emerald Headingley on Wednesday.

India won an often ill-tempered game at Lord's by 151 runs thanks to a remarkable fightback on the final day.

"This team is not going to back down," said Kohli.

"What's said on the field and what's done in the moment gives you extra motivation."

Kohli did not reveal what provoked him or his players, but there were several confrontations during a thrilling match that went into the final hour.

India pace bowler Jasprit Bumrah targeted England number 11 James Anderson with a series of bouncers on the third evening, and England responded to Bumrah and fellow tailender Mohammed Shami in similar fashion on the fifth morning during a spell which arguably cost them the match.

Kohli was also involved in a verbal exchange with Jos Buttler as England were bowled out for 120 on the final day, failing to bat out two sessions to secure a draw.

"The details don't need to be discussed," said Kohli, whose side lead 1-0 in the five-match series.

"It happens in the moment. It's how you get up from that situation, that's what matters."

BBC

 

[TheSultan]

Tactically both Root and Kohli are pretty poor. But Kohli is a great and inspirational leader. Root is a scared little boy. He will always be that.

It’s a shame England can’t look beyond him. This should have been another easy series win like the last few times india have toured England.

I do give india credit for their fighting mentality but England made it very easy for them and capitulated very meekly

 

[OMB]

India, England players involved in 'bust-up' in Lord's long room; Kohli, Root had a heated exchange

Indian skipper Virat Kohli and England captain Joe Root had a heated exchange while players from both sides were reportedly involved in a bust-up in the Lord's long room during the second Test.

Some startling claims have been made days after the conclusion of the second Test between India and England at the Lord's Cricket Ground. India defeated England by 151 runs in the thrilling encounter to go 1-0 up in the ongoing five-match series. It was an intense battle between the two sides over the course of five days which also saw tempers flaring on both ends on quite a few occasions.

India and England players were reportedly involved in a 'bust-up' in the Lord's long room after the conclusion of Day 3's play during the second Test last week. As per a report in The Telegraph, there were 'tense scenes in the Lord's pavilion at the end of the third day's play. The report referred to the incident between India and England players as a 'bust-up' and claimed that the players were seen arguing on their way to their dressing rooms and the confrontation continued in the Lord's long room.

"Confrontations in the Lord's Long Room - the hallowed inner sanctum of English cricket - are almost unheard of," said the report from The Telegraph. It further added that England skipper Joe Root and Indian captain Virat Kohli also had a heated exchange between them on their way to the pavilion.

The off-field clash was reportedly prompted by India's ploy to target James Anderson when he came on to bat at no.10 during England's first innings. Jasprit Bumrah bowled a flurry of bouncers and short balls against Anderson which reportedly left the England players miffed and led to tension unfolding between the players.

The long room at Lord's is usually full of MCC members during Test matches. However, due to COVID-19 restrictions, the members were not allowed inside the long room which had been converted into a dining room for both teams.

India will take on England next in the third Test at Headingley, Leeds starting from Wednesday (August 25). The Kohli-led side will be hoping to extend their lead to 2-0 after a convincing victory at Lord's. India currently lead the five-match series 1-0 after the conclusion of two matches.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/india-england-players-involved-in-bust-up-in-lords-long-room-kohli-root-had-a-heated-exchange-report/803466

 

[MenInG]

Welcoming back Nasser Hussain in the commentary panel ahead of the 3rd Test between Joe Root's men and Virat Kohli-led Team India on Wednesday, legendary cricketer Sunil Gavaskar engaged in a heated debate with the former England skipper and full-time cricket pundit. One of the most celebrated voices in the gentlemen's game, former England skipper Hussain had opined that the current Team India side led by talisman Kohli will not be bullied like the previous generations of the Asian giants.

Recalling Hussain's recent remarks about the Indian cricket team, Gavaskar slammed the former England cricketer and said that he would be "very upset" if his generation of players were labelled as the ones who were "bullied" by the opposition. Kickstarting the on-air debate ahead of the 3rd Test match at Headingley, Gavasakar rebuked Hussain over a column that the Englishman penned for a British newspaper.

Gavaskar highlighted India's remarkable performances on English soil before the emergence of Kohli. One of the famous faces of the game, Gavaskar mentioned that India outclassed England 1-0 in the 1971 tour of the European nation. In his defense, Hussain opined that he likes the captaincy style of the Indian skipper and that's exactly what he mentioned in his column.

Gavaskar: You said this India will not be bullied as perhaps the previous generations would be. (Me) Belonging to previous generation, could you perhaps enlighten which generation? And what is the exact meaning of bully?”

Hussain: I just think, the Indian side under the aggression of the past, would have said ‘no no no’. But what Kohli has done is to make them go doubly hard. I saw a little bit of that in Sourav Ganguly’s side and he started that, Virat is continuing with it. Even when Virat was not there, Ajinkya really went hard at the Australians. I just don’t think you want to wake this Indian side up.

Gavaskar: But when you say previous generations were bullied, I don’t think so. I’d be very upset if my generation was being talked about as being bullied. If you have a look at the record, in 1971 we won, that was my first tour in England. 1974, we had internal problems so we lost 3-0. 1979, we lost 1-0, it could have been 1-1 if we chased down 438 at the Oval. 1982 we again lost 1-0. In 1986 we won 2-0, we could have won it 3-0. So, I don’t think my generation we were bullied. I don’t think aggression means you have always got to be at the face of the opposition. You can show passion, you can show your commitment towards your team without yelling after each fall of wicket.

Hussain: I for one, quite like the way Kohli leads this side. That’s what I wanted to say. That team talk in which he said ‘let’s unleash fire on this English side’ and you could see the fire that they unleashed.

Gavaskar: There is no argument in that. The question is saying that the previous generations were bullied. I don’t think this is right.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...-indian-generations-got-bullied-remark/803770

 

[street cricketer]

India also drew the first test at Nottingham and won the 2nd test at Lords in 2014. Then what happened was an absolute demolition job by England in the next 3 tests.

All this talk of mental disintegration is a bit much after a single test. England could easily turn the tables and win the remaining tests and win the series and talks of mental disintegration would look foolish.

I warned you guys.

I'll never be confident of an Indian team playing in England until the last test. We have won tests in England since 2014 but never play consistent enough to win a 5 match series. A win will invariably be followed by a disasterclass.

 

[Kroll]

I saw Virat was doing a lot of talking before the match about how his team had been 'provoked' by England and they weren't going to take a step back etc.

I think this was a classic school boy error by Virat. By all means talk before or after the series but let the actual cricket do most of the talking during the series.

It has backfired immensely only serving India to underestimate their opponents and England coming out ready to devour all in front of them.

With all the running mouth Virat was indulging in prior to this test, it has made him look rather foolish and Anderson coming out smelling like a bed of roses.

 

[IMMY69]

Looks like they used the technique on themselves

 

[shaz619]

Welcoming back Nasser Hussain in the commentary panel ahead of the 3rd Test between Joe Root's men and Virat Kohli-led Team India on Wednesday, legendary cricketer Sunil Gavaskar engaged in a heated debate with the former England skipper and full-time cricket pundit. One of the most celebrated voices in the gentlemen's game, former England skipper Hussain had opined that the current Team India side led by talisman Kohli will not be bullied like the previous generations of the Asian giants.

Recalling Hussain's recent remarks about the Indian cricket team, Gavaskar slammed the former England cricketer and said that he would be "very upset" if his generation of players were labelled as the ones who were "bullied" by the opposition. Kickstarting the on-air debate ahead of the 3rd Test match at Headingley, Gavasakar rebuked Hussain over a column that the Englishman penned for a British newspaper.

Gavaskar highlighted India's remarkable performances on English soil before the emergence of Kohli. One of the famous faces of the game, Gavaskar mentioned that India outclassed England 1-0 in the 1971 tour of the European nation. In his defense, Hussain opined that he likes the captaincy style of the Indian skipper and that's exactly what he mentioned in his column.

Gavaskar: You said this India will not be bullied as perhaps the previous generations would be. (Me) Belonging to previous generation, could you perhaps enlighten which generation? And what is the exact meaning of bully?”

Hussain: I just think, the Indian side under the aggression of the past, would have said ‘no no no’. But what Kohli has done is to make them go doubly hard. I saw a little bit of that in Sourav Ganguly’s side and he started that, Virat is continuing with it. Even when Virat was not there, Ajinkya really went hard at the Australians. I just don’t think you want to wake this Indian side up.

Gavaskar: But when you say previous generations were bullied, I don’t think so. I’d be very upset if my generation was being talked about as being bullied. If you have a look at the record, in 1971 we won, that was my first tour in England. 1974, we had internal problems so we lost 3-0. 1979, we lost 1-0, it could have been 1-1 if we chased down 438 at the Oval. 1982 we again lost 1-0. In 1986 we won 2-0, we could have won it 3-0. So, I don’t think my generation we were bullied. I don’t think aggression means you have always got to be at the face of the opposition. You can show passion, you can show your commitment towards your team without yelling after each fall of wicket.

Hussain: I for one, quite like the way Kohli leads this side. That’s what I wanted to say. That team talk in which he said ‘let’s unleash fire on this English side’ and you could see the fire that they unleashed.

Gavaskar: There is no argument in that. The question is saying that the previous generations were bullied. I don’t think this is right.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...-indian-generations-got-bullied-remark/803770

I agree with Gavaskar but at the same time Kohli has bought out the very best in his seamers compared to past sides where the bowling attack wasn’t so attacking

 

[Itachi]

Looks like they used the technique on themselves

I always believe that these types of tricks could work only for a session at most. We humans tend to forget which has a beneficial side effect of forgetting bad phases too (to certain extent). It was hyped way too much.

A new match is always a new story (most cases). Except India in england in 2011 which was a scar.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lowest score WTC 21 : IND 36

Lowest score in WTC 23 : IND 78

 

[Robert]

I always believe that these types of tricks could work only for a session at most. We humans tend to forget which has a beneficial side effect of forgetting bad phases too (to certain extent). It was hyped way too much.

A new match is always a new story (most cases). Except India in england in 2011 which was a scar.

In 2011, England was the best side in the world. India turned up looking tired, unfit and generally not up for a battle.

 

[street cricketer]

In 2011, England was the best side in the world. India turned up looking tired, unfit and generally not up for a battle.

That Indian side was past it and made up of over the hill cricketers - kinda like the English side that went to Australia in 2014.

 

[street cricketer]

I agree with Gavaskar but at the same time Kohli has bought out the very best in his seamers compared to past sides where the bowling attack wasn’t so attacking

I didn't see the video but there was a buzz on social media that there was an awkward conversation between Hussain and Gavaskar when the latter was grilling Nasser for insinuating his (Gavaskar's) generation of cricketers were 'weak' in comparison to Kohli.

It's clear that Gavaskar doesn't like Kohli (&Shastri) and you can see it if one reads through the lines of his interviews in the last few weeks. Gavaskar thinks Rahane or Rohit should be the captain and Kohli has been escaping criticism that Pujara and Rahane get after every failure due to his brand. He has also said Ashwin only gets dropped because of his outspoken nature and the team management doesn't like people with strong opinions. Gavaskar may be saying these things due to his strong bias for Mumbai but he may not be entirely wrong.