How long can Muslims disassociate themselves from ISIS and other criminal Muslims?

[ExpressPacer]

It is very convenient for Muslims to claim that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam (and it doesn't) however, the fact still remains, they ARE Muslims. Notoriety of Muslims is growing throughout the globe, be it in the form of terrorism by groups like ISIS or through Muslim's involved raping women in different parts of the West.

We as Muslims ourselves understand that this is certainly not what Islam teaches but how is the average Western citizen supposed to know that? And with the media exclusively showing reports of Muslims involved in such crimes, the future seems nefarious.

 

[Rayyman]

ISIS will die eventually. Islam won't.

 

[Rafa]

By striving towards becoming Model Citizens of the State and integrate culturally rather than segregate on basis of Religion.

 

[Asim_khan]

Whilst ISIS continue to kill Muslims it won't be difficult to dissociate from them at all.

Now the moment they exclusively target non Muslim minorities like say the RSS beef brigade, that's when non Muslims can point fingers

 

[LegCutter]

Violence in the name of Islam wont stop atleast in my lifetime. The middle east is way too unstable to be fixed anytime soon, and as long as the middle-east remains unstable, groups like ISIS are gona keep popping up to obtain power. Eventually in a 100 years or so, the middle-east may stabilize and the renaissance of the middle-east can start with Islam becoming like modern-day christianity.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Violence in the name of Islam wont stop atleast in my lifetime. The middle east is way too unstable to be fixed anytime soon, and as long as the middle-east remains unstable, groups like ISIS are gona keep popping up to obtain power. Eventually in a 100 years or so, the middle-east may stabilize and the renaissance of the middle-east can start with Islam becoming like modern-day christianity.

Violence in the name of anything wont stop as violence will not stop period. It was Christians Bush and Blair who murdered 1000's of times more than ISIS.

ISIS is a brutal cult born out of the destruction and choas of those lands. Leave them alone for a few decades and such groups will disappear.

As for the OP, I dont really give a damn what the average Westerner or Easterner thinks, its not my job to educate them. As I citizen I can only try to change the policies of the government to account not the minds of people.

 

[troodon]

Violence in the name of anything wont stop as violence will not stop period. It was Christians Bush and Blair who murdered 1000's of times more than ISIS.

ISIS is a brutal cult born out of the destruction and choas of those lands. Leave them alone for a few decades and such groups will disappear.

As for the OP, I dont really give a damn what the average Westerner or Easterner thinks, its not my job to educate them. As I citizen I can only try to change the policies of the government to account not the minds of people.

Some of the greatest religious figures are murderers too.

But its okay. Who we call murderer depends solely on our agenda.

 

[Jadz]

ISIS was created to overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria, it is funded by the Saudis, as is widely known. So, for the sake of accuracy, we have to say that ISIS is a political and military tool, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.

For as long as Saudis fund extremist groups that wage its proxy wars, terrorism will not end. And, for as long as the West finds support of the Saudi royal clan useful for its divide and conquer policies, in the ME and beyond, groups like ISIS will continue to flourish.

Not much Muslims can do, other than to raise their voices against Saudi propagation of fake Islam, its cruel, inhumane and barbaric bombardment of impoverished Yemen and continue to portray the real Message of Islam, by word and by deed.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/871177806390194177?lang=en

 

[KingKhanWC]

Some of the greatest religious figures are murderers too. Religions were established over dead bodies.

But its okay. Who we call murderer depends solely on our agenda.

Jesus(pbuh) is one of the greatest and well known religous figures, no historian will claim he killed anyone. Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) also did not murder anyone, he fought in battles and punished some for crimes. So the two most known religous figures all of time did not do what you have suggested. Bush and Blair are not religous figures but they both believed God told to them invade Iraq when they knelt in prayer. But nobody calls them out , wonder why?

 

[Bilal7]

OP should stop making excuses for the ignorance of "the average white person". If some idiot hasn't bothered to learn anything more about Islam other than the verse "Kill them wherever you find them" and the 11 marriages of our beloved Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), then the fault is theirs and not the average Muslim's.

There are dawah (missionary) activities going on in nearly every country. Instead of learning about Islam from someone who clearly has no idea what Islam is, chat up one of these people and show some initiative to erase your ignorance instead of stupidly saying "how should I know?"

ISIS fighters have very poor knowledge of Islam according to a study done by the UN, which focuses on pretty basic things like how to pray. Forget about these people knowing anything about the rules and regulations of Jihad.

 

[UN talkz]

ISIS will die eventually. Islam won't.

Best post on this thread.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

ISIS was created to overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria, it is funded by the Saudis, as is widely known. So, for the sake of accuracy, we have to say that ISIS is a political and military tool, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.

For as long as Saudis fund extremist groups that wage its proxy wars, terrorism will not end. And, for as long as the West finds support of the Saudi royal clan useful for its divide and conquer policies, in the ME and beyond, groups like ISIS will continue to flourish.

Not much Muslims can do, other than to raise their voices against Saudi propagation of fake Islam, its cruel, inhumane and barbaric bombardment of impoverished Yemen and continue to portray the real Message of Islam, by word and by deed.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/871177806390194177?lang=en

Absolutely nailed it.

 

[PakLFC]

As long as people of other faiths disassociate themselves from the likes of Hitler.

 

[Justcrazy]

Islam has nothing to defend itself. If a Muslim does something wrong , you can blame him not Islam. If someone does not understand this simple thing , ignore them.

 

[Black Zero]

Islam has nothing to defend itself. If a Muslim does something wrong , you can blame him not Islam. If someone does not understand this simple thing , ignore them.

Maybe you are ignoring too much...This is not an individual case...this is a global phenomenon.

No sane and civil person needs to defend this terrorism but one must reflect and be honest about the teaching and history of islam.

One can shut his eyes, but world is watching...

 

[Black Zero]

OP should stop making excuses for the ignorance of "the average white person". If some idiot hasn't bothered to learn anything more about Islam other than the verse "Kill them wherever you find them" and the 11 marriages of our beloved Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), then the fault is theirs and not the average Muslim's.

There are dawah (missionary) activities going on in nearly every country. Instead of learning about Islam from someone who clearly has no idea what Islam is, chat up one of these people and show some initiative to erase your ignorance instead of stupidly saying "how should I know?"

ISIS fighters have very poor knowledge of Islam according to a study done by the UN, which focuses on pretty basic things like how to pray. Forget about these people knowing anything about the rules and regulations of Jihad.

Calling critics idiots will not make you smarter...
Twisted justifications of apologists convince no one...but yourself...

ISIS's creation is the result of global politics, but their practices are 95% as per Sunnah and sharia.

 

[Black Zero]

ISIS will die eventually. Islam won't.

Islam will remain for long time, but eventually like other old religions/ideas, it will transform into new religion.

If you bring a Muslim from Medina and show him a moderate muslim of today, both would would not consider eachother as muslims.

 

[ExpressPacer]

OP should stop making excuses for the ignorance of "the average white person". If some idiot hasn't bothered to learn anything more about Islam other than the verse "Kill them wherever you find them" and the 11 marriages of our beloved Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), then the fault is theirs and not the average Muslim's.

There are dawah (missionary) activities going on in nearly every country. Instead of learning about Islam from someone who clearly has no idea what Islam is, chat up one of these people and show some initiative to erase your ignorance instead of stupidly saying "how should I know?"

ISIS fighters have very poor knowledge of Islam according to a study done by the UN, which focuses on pretty basic things like how to pray. Forget about these people knowing anything about the rules and regulations of Jihad.

I don't know why but you come off as a terrorist sympathizer sometimes.

Anyway, coming back to the topic, I think it's pretty ironic of you to criticize the average (mostly white) non Muslim person and to label them as ignorant when deficiencies in your own knowledge are so apparent. First of all, there is no such verse or Hadith as the one you've quoted. Don't trust Facebook for everything that you see on it. Secondly, even if there was one such verse, I would totally understand if the average person would not bother to read the entire book because of what they can make out from a simple verse.

 

[Yossarian]

Had the IRA called themselves the Christian IRA, and similarly all the other Republican and Unionist terrorist groups had also prefixed "Christian" to their group names, would the Northern Ireland conflict have been viewed differently by the rest of the world?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Muslim world needs a genuine Caliphate that can set an example and that has the respect and goodwill of the rest of the world. Individuals can't replace a caliphate, and that is the only appeal of ISIS to those who join or are inspired by them. Ironic really since ISIS themselves are not a caliphate but have used the term to legitimise themselves when they are little more than a rag tag bunch of bandits.

 

[Yossarian]

In marketing terms, whoever came up with the idea of naming the bunch of terrorists as "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (Isis)" must have been a marketing guru, albeit with a twisted mind. Creating an anglicised name for the group, and including those two anglicised words in the name, has done more to push the agenda of the group (when linked to the terrorist attack here and there) than a hundred times more attacks by groups that didn't include variations of the word "Islam" or "Muslim" in their group name(s).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In marketing terms, whoever came up with the idea of naming the bunch of terrorists as "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (Isis)" must have been a marketing guru, albeit with a twisted mind. Creating an anglicised name for the group, and including those two anglicised words in the name, has done more to push the agenda of the group (when linked to the terrorist attack here and there) than a hundred times more attacks by groups that didn't include variations of the word "Islam" or "Muslim" in their group name(s).

Yes I have often commented how cool and sexy the name ISIS is, it diverts from the horror of what they actually represent. There have been many attempts to label them something else like ISIL or Daesh, but the British media just loves ISIS and has understandably refused to budge from that name. I can't say I blame them, it has far more impact, in fact it has blown Al Qaida out of the water.

 

[Black Zero]

I don't know why but you come off as a terrorist sympathizer sometimes.

Anyway, coming back to the topic, I think it's pretty ironic of you to criticize the average (mostly white) non Muslim person and to label them as ignorant when deficiencies in your own knowledge are so apparent. First of all, there is no such verse or Hadith as the one you've quoted. Don't trust Facebook for everything that you see on it. Secondly, even if there was one such verse, I would totally understand if the average person would not bother to read the entire book because of what they can make out from a simple verse.

Quran 2.191

 

[Jadz]

Quran 2.191

Q2:190
And fight in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression - for, verily, God does not love aggressors.

Q2:191
And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution, or Oppression] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Q2:192
But if they desist - behold, God is Much-Forgiving, a Dispenser of Grace.

Q2:217
....oppression is more awesome than killing...'
(Because oppression leads to millions of deaths and the destruction of nations.)

It is impossible to understand the Qur'an, if passages, verses and chapters are taken out of context. Read any passage of any book out of context, and it will be rendered incomprehensible, its meaning lost and the entire text corrupted.

 

[Black Zero]

Q2:190
And fight in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression - for, verily, God does not love aggressors.

Q2:191
And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution, or Oppression] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Q2:192
But if they desist - behold, God is Much-Forgiving, a Dispenser of Grace.

Q2:217
....oppression is more awesome than killing...'
(Because oppression leads to millions of deaths and the destruction of nations.)

It is impossible to understand the Qur'an, if passages, verses and chapters are taken out of context. Read any passage of any book out of context, and it will be rendered incomprehensible, its meaning lost and the entire text corrupted.

EP said "

First of all, there is no such verse or Hadith as the one you've quoted.

"

I provided him that "such verse" exist and that he should not have said

when deficiencies in your own knowledge are so apparent.

Personally, I will not recommend muslims to understand the context as it's worse.

 

[troodon]

Q2:190
And fight in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression - for, verily, God does not love aggressors.

Q2:191
And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution, or Oppression] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Q2:192
But if they desist - behold, God is Much-Forgiving, a Dispenser of Grace.

Q2:217
....oppression is more awesome than killing...'
(Because oppression leads to millions of deaths and the destruction of nations.)

It is impossible to understand the Qur'an, if passages, verses and chapters are taken out of context. Read any passage of any book out of context, and it will be rendered incomprehensible, its meaning lost and the entire text corrupted.

So Muslims cannot be aggressors?

All of the Arab army conquests and the subsequent conquests from central asian Muslim conquerors were all doing the conquests out of generosity?

Even Islam entering Indian subcontinent is not aggression on the part of Arabs?

 

[Jadz]

So Muslims cannot be aggressors?

All of the Arab army conquests and the subsequent conquests from central asian Muslim conquerors were all doing the conquests out of generosity?

Even Islam entering Indian subcontinent is not aggression on the part of Arabs?

Am I talking about Muslims or Arabs? No. I have merely quoted from the Qur'an, in order to provide context and thereby, enable understanding.

Can Muslims and Arabs be aggressive warmongers? Yes. Can, other human beings, peoples and nations be aggressive warmongers? Yes, as has been proven time and again by history.

You need to separate Islam (or Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism) from adherents. The two are not the same thing.

 

[troodon]

Am I talking about Muslims or Arabs? No. I have merely quoted from the Qur'an, in order to provide context and thereby, enable understanding.

Can Muslims and Arabs be aggressive warmongers? Yes. Can, other human beings, peoples and nations be aggressive warmongers? Yes, as has been proven time and again by history.

You need to separate Islam (or Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism) from adherents. The two are not the same thing.

So all the Muslim conquerors went against the teachings of Islam then.

 

[Jadz]

So all the Muslim conquerors went against the teachings of Islam then.

No, I did not say that either. If you want a proper understanding of Muslim history, there are many good books you can read. No matter what I, as a Muslim, say, it will not satisfy you - and, I make a habit of never arguing with anyone about anything. Peace!

 

[ExpressPacer]

Quran 2.191

I don't think there's anything left to be said after [MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION] post. Using a verse out of context is completely wrong and absurd. And to remind you, a thousand interpretations can be made of the basic, Arabic text. People use it in their own way and to their own convenience far too often.

 

[Vayuu]

To be honest and don't get me wrong, but I find Muslim's too conservative and devoted in the name of religion had they shown the same dedication in improving their image and betterment of society and in education they would have been more successful, also sorry to say this, but they often can't tolerate criticism whether it's about religion or life style like I have met many Muslim guy's who can't get over their hatred for certain countries or set of people and they consistently do bickering about those country and yet hate it to core.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

To be honest and don't get me wrong, but I find Muslim's too conservative and devoted in the name of religion had they shown the same dedication in improving their image and betterment of society and in education they would have been more successful, also sorry to say this, but they often can't tolerate criticism whether it's about religion or life style like I have met many Muslim guy's who can't get over their hatred for certain countries or set of people and they consistently do bickering about those country and yet hate it to core.

Sounds like you are meeting too many Muslim guys to me. Meet a few less and see how that works for you.

 

[Black Zero]

I don't think there's anything left to be said after [MENTION=30006]Jadz[/MENTION] post. Using a verse out of context is completely wrong and absurd. And to remind you, a thousand interpretations can be made of the basic, Arabic text. People use it in their own way and to their own convenience far too often.

i think there is something left to be said...
you can start by accepting that you are the ignorant one.

no one is interested about interpretations except the apologists...due to the internet age, one cannot hide behind censorship or sugar coating...and FYI, world knows the truth.

 

[in_cutter]

It is very convenient for Muslims to claim that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam (and it doesn't) however, the fact still remains, they ARE Muslims. Notoriety of Muslims is growing throughout the globe, be it in the form of terrorism by groups like ISIS or through Muslim's involved raping women in different parts of the West.

We as Muslims ourselves understand that this is certainly not what Islam teaches but how is the average Western citizen supposed to know that? And with the media exclusively showing reports of Muslims involved in such crimes, the future seems nefarious.

No, they are NOT Muslim.

 

[rahulrulezz]

No, they are NOT Muslim.

If certain countries can go out of their way to write in their constitution that Ahmedis are not Muslims (even though Ahmedis are one of the most peaceful, liberal and educated Muslims), can't the same Muslim countries write the same thing about Isis Muslims. I bet no.

 

[Adil_94]

even the Shaykh of Al-Azhar said while ISIS are extreme in their actions u cant say they are out of the fold of Islam.

ISIS is not Islam its one manifestation of a multi faceted religion with different interpretations and ways it is practiced that has a long tradition over 1400 years. with many groups claiming they are the only right way.

ISIS does adhere to teachings found in the Quran n Sunnah and they do have their scholars like Ibn Taymiyya who they quote to justify their actions particular their takfirism. But even Al Qaeda who will agree on 90% of ISIS actions say that the way they do it is too harsh and u need to educate the people before implementing such harsh punishments. Graeme Woods book the Way of the Strangers is really good on ISIS he has interviewed many I.S supporters n fighters also n yes while they have in their ranks religious novices. They also have scholarly people too often from the Salafi tradition who will use quran n sunnah to show what they do is actually within the boundaries of Islam.

ISIS propaganda is aimed at young men generally n all that can be done is for mosque leaders n imams to not just say ISIS isnt Islam but give the youngsters the religious tools to refute and be able to debate with an ISIS or radical preacher or groomer online. go through the verses of violence they use to justify their actions n explain to people why their interpretation is wrong n extreme.

as long as Saudi petrodollars are financing religious establishments across the world radicalisation will remain a problem due to the nature of their creed.



ISIS attacks are also just a version of their foreign policy they know they cant attack their enemies using airforce tanks navy. so they resort to inciting terrorism esp now they are losing ground in Iraq n Syria they will try to go out with a bang before they finally disappear.

 

[Vayuu]

Sounds like you are meeting too many Muslim guys to me. Meet a few less and see how that works for you.

Well can't happen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If certain countries can go out of their way to write in their constitution that Ahmedis are not Muslims (even though Ahmedis are one of the most peaceful, liberal and educated Muslims), can't the same Muslim countries write the same thing about Isis Muslims. I bet no.

Certain countries would cease to exist altogether if the ISIS dream to reunite the subcontinent as part of the global Caliphate came to pass. Would that make you happier?

 

[Vayuu]

Islam has nothing to defend itself. If a Muslim does something wrong , you can blame him not Islam. If someone does not understand this simple thing , ignore them.

Well u can't get away with that, it's called hypocrisy, when riots happened in Gujarat, parosis were quick to say Hindu extremists, and consistently says it till now, without realizing that it was aftermath of godhra incident, I agree it shouldn't have happened in the first place ,also the terrorist are doing this in the name of Islam and Sharia and what are the good Muslim's doing they don't even condemned it, forget about stopping them, if the Muslim's wants to improve their image then they should be the first not only to condemn it but also to stop it, remember ignoring is like pigeon closing his eyes while seeing a cat thinking she is gone but she is here only to pounce on him, this rot has to be cleaned by Muslim's themselves

 

[Vayuu]

Violence in the name of Islam wont stop atleast in my lifetime. The middle east is way too unstable to be fixed anytime soon, and as long as the middle-east remains unstable, groups like ISIS are gona keep popping up to obtain power. Eventually in a 100 years or so, the middle-east may stabilize and the renaissance of the middle-east can start with Islam becoming like modern-day christianity.

All thanks to Saudi, they are the biggest rot on earth along with uncle Sam and China, in the name of Wahhabism pumping billions and are radicalising people.

 

[Musakhel]

Thread title should be changed to how can western muslims disassociate themselves from Isis, Muslims in muslims countries who face the brunt of these attacks dont go around diassociating themselves from these groups because they are not associated with them in the first place and no one questions that.

As for takfiris they have always existed, been killed of than reemerged and will continue to exist until they join the dajjal as prophesied by Nabi Muhammad(PBUH).

 

[big_gamer007]

One should not be responsible for action of someone else who he doesn't even know or has heard of.. Like I can't take credit for any Indians/Hindu's achievement in the west nor can I be responsible for any criminals that may be..

However problem with people targeting Muslims is that they do it on the name of religion and secondly you would see a lot of people who talk about religion as a binding force like the ones arguing for ummah.. So there is perception of a certain brotherhood amongst Muslims on basis of religion and when someone attacks on name of Islam you see islamophobes and semi literate people are quick to blame the entire community..

 

[Bilal7]

I don't know why but you come off as a terrorist sympathizer sometimes.

Anyway, coming back to the topic, I think it's pretty ironic of you to criticize the average (mostly white) non Muslim person and to label them as ignorant when deficiencies in your own knowledge are so apparent. First of all, there is no such verse or Hadith as the one you've quoted. Don't trust Facebook for everything that you see on it. Secondly, even if there was one such verse, I would totally understand if the average person would not bother to read the entire book because of what they can make out from a simple verse.

Alhamdulillah, my knowledge of Islam is sufficient enough for me to never support a terror group of any kind. You on the other hand have as much knowledge of Islam as the average "Muslim" terrorist.

That is a verse from the Quran but you know what? The verses that preceed and proceed this one provide people with context for why that verse commands what it commands. The ignorant Islamophobics that you're defending don't know or purposely disregard those verses but take this one out of context and parade it around as proof for the actions of ISIS being in the Quran.

The world is mostly filled with "average" people like you which is why this happens. Anyone with half a brain or lacking an Islamophobic agenda would know how to separate truth from falsehood.

 

[Bilal7]

So all the Muslim conquerors went against the teachings of Islam then.

On the contrary. Many are seen as Islamic heroes like Muhammad bin Qasim and Aurangzeb (RA). They fought wars against people who were racist, oppressive and backwards and instilled a fairer government and introduced a superior way to life. To them, I am ever grateful.

How does ISIS, a terrorist group, in any way, shape or form compare with the several great Islamic empires?

 

[Bilal7]

Certain countries would cease to exist altogether if the ISIS dream to reunite the subcontinent as part of the global Caliphate came to pass. Would that make you happier?

Funny how in this thread, the Muslims are the ones that are disassociating Daesh from Islam and the non-Muslims/hypocrites are the ones attaching the 'Muslim' title to them. Who's helping Daesh from spreading its agenda again?

 

[Robert]

Clearly, there is an international Muslim civil war going on. It began with the assassination of Anwar Sadat and will rumble on for decades.

The USSR and Western countries have stirred the pot and made the situation worse.

 

[MenInG]

Funny how in this thread, the Muslims are the ones that are disassociating Daesh from Islam and the non-Muslims/hypocrites are the ones attaching the 'Muslim' title to them. Who's helping Daesh from spreading its agenda again?

Absolutely true. Its like a dream come true for some.

 

[shaz619]

Funny how in this thread, the Muslims are the ones that are disassociating Daesh from Islam and the non-Muslims/hypocrites are the ones attaching the 'Muslim' title to them. Who's helping Daesh from spreading its agenda again?

Excellent post, QOTW

 

[gasgemba]

Funny how in this thread, the Muslims are the ones that are disassociating Daesh from Islam and the non-Muslims/hypocrites are the ones attaching the 'Muslim' title to them. Who's helping Daesh from spreading its agenda again?

Dont isis themselves call themselves an islamic army?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Dont isis themselves call themselves an islamic army?

That is what makes them the biggest assets for Islamophobes. I am watching a tv serial called The State which is being dramatised on the BBC and it's based on ISIS. You couldn't make this type of show without the atrocities of this group and it's manna from heaven for neo Nazi groups and Hindu nationalists alike.

 

[gasgemba]

That is what makes them the biggest assets for Islamophobes. I am watching a tv serial called The State which is being dramatised on the BBC and it's based on ISIS. You couldn't make this type of show without the atrocities of this group and it's manna from heaven for neo Nazi groups and Hindu nationalists alike.

Couldnt somebody also argue then that the hindu nationalists u speak of also arent hindu at all?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Couldnt somebody also argue then that the hindu nationalists u speak of also arent hindu at all?

You could, but then they have been voted in by a population which is 80% majority Hindu which gives their Hindutva claims genuine legitimacy. Did anybody vote for ISIS?

 

[gasgemba]

You could, but then they have been voted in by a population which is 80% majority Hindu which gives their Hindutva claims genuine legitimacy. Did anybody vote for ISIS?

Not sure. Have isis contested in an election yet?

Also do u believe in zionists, christian terrorism, white nationalism? I assume the crimes committed by these groups are not attributable to each religion/political beliefs?

And isis is just one islamic terror group among 100s (not even exaggerating). Do u think they are all non muslims too pretending to be muslim?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not sure. Have isis contested in an election yet?

Also do u believe in zionists, christian terrorism, white nationalism? I assume the crimes committed by these groups are not attributable to each religion/political beliefs?

And isis is just one islamic terror group among 100s (not even exaggerating). Do u think they are all non muslims too pretending to be muslim?

Don't know what any of that ramble was about. I suggest you read the words I wrote rather than make things up in your head.

 

[rahulrulezz]

You could, but then they have been voted in by a population which is 80% majority Hindu which gives their Hindutva claims genuine legitimacy. Did anybody vote for ISIS?

Going by your logic, 100% of terrorist attacks in the world are done by Muslims, does that all Muslims are terrorists?

Capatan Sahib, Hindu nationalists don't go around kill Muslims. If that was the case, Muslim percentage wouldn't grow from 11% at partition to 16% now in India. Compare that to minority's in Pakistan which went from 5% in West Pakistan to 2% now from 1947. Yes Hindu nationalists are totally wrong, and have killed few Muslims but the amount of non Hindus they have killed in last 10 years, more than 10 times of Shias (forget about other minorities) were killed in just one attack in Parchinar Pakistan last month.

 

[Robert]

Funny how in this thread, the Muslims are the ones that are disassociating Daesh from Islam and the non-Muslims/hypocrites are the ones attaching the 'Muslim' title to them. Who's helping Daesh from spreading its agenda again?

I think you're copping out here Cap. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. They want to impose Sharia under a Caliph. I'm willing to say that the KKK and Branch Davidians are hypocritical Christians - can you say that Daesh are hypocritical Muslims?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think you're copping out here Cap. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. They want to impose Sharia under a Caliph. I'm willing to say that the KKK and Branch Davidians are hypocritical Christians - can you say that Daesh are hypocritical Muslims?

But I never denied that they were walking talking ducks, my point was that they are manna for heaven for neo Nazis, Hindutvas and other right wing extremist groups. Of course that is always the case that these type of organisations feed off each other, but most of them manage to cloak their ideology in some semblance of respectability by operating within certain limits. ISIS are different in that they are almost suicidally self destructive which seems totally illogical to me when your purported aim is to build a state.

But then who knows, maybe they see some lunatic longer goal which the likes of ordinary people like me can't fathom. KKK, Branch Davidians and the rest seem to walk a more intelligent and better planned road, hypocrites or not.

 

[gasgemba]

This is unfortunately the issue with most countries, religions linked with terrorism atm - they are willing to blame everybody under sun instead of looking within for the causes and beliefs that push ppl towards extremism.

 

[Justcrazy]

Maybe you are ignoring too much...This is not an individual case...this is a global phenomenon.

No sane and civil person needs to defend this terrorism but one must reflect and be honest about the teaching and history of islam.

One can shut his eyes, but world is watching...

I do not get you . What are the teachings of Islam ?