How remarkable has been India's transformation as a cricket nation from 1999-2023 in World Cups?

[kron]

Logic by posters:

Joginder Sharma And Irfan pathan> Waqar and Shoaib due to their Ko performance.

Yes because that's what it means to be goat clearly

Great players will have great averages, great performances vs top 4 sides and perform in KO. Last part is lacking in kohli. That's why he will never be goat until he proves himself in a ko and helps india win.

Indian fans logic.

Oh century century. Best player ever. Best of the best. 49 centuries. Best.

Lol. 15 years at rcb. He won so many titles dint he. Goat.

 

[kron]

What was Kohli's contribution in

2015 World Cup semifinal
2017 CT final
2019 World Cup semifinal

SINGLE DIGITS. all 3 were run chases. India lost all 3

If Babar had flopped like this, he would have been dropped based on having a weak mind capable of scoring in useless bilaterals only

But has Kohli been dropped? Instead he has been crowned King lol no wonder you guys haven't won a SINGLE ICC tournament in 10 years

Oh and now they will come uo with t20 stats and how he performed in t20. We are not talking about t20 though are we?
Logic by Indians.

Goat boat apparently but fails in every ko lmao.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes India will lose the semi final badly. (More negative energy please already working wonders.

 

[kron]

Ponting viv even Sachin is above kohli.

 

[kron]

Hell de veilliers has a better record I am aure in kos. Need to check stats.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Well its clear that Kohli will perform in this World Cup semifinal and finals.

The problem for Pakistani fans is that Kohli knows that this is the chink in his armor and he knows he hasn't performed up to expectations in Knockouts.

Unlike Babar Azam who already thinks he is number one in the world along with his fans.

And someone of his quality, self-awareness and discipline will simply iron out the creases.

I fully expect Kohli to score in semi and finals.

 

[kron]

Babar should be dropped for not even performing in group games lol.. KO happens after group stages

he never said babar is better than kohli and no sane person claimed that babar is goat though ?

 

[JaDed]

I’m guessing logic changes for PCT fans when it comes to their team, of KO is important yes it is..

Yes because that's what it means to be goat clearly

Great players will have great averages, great performances vs top 4 sides and perform in KO. Last part is lacking in kohli. That's why he will never be goat until he proves himself in a ko and helps india win.

Indian fans logic.

Oh century century. Best player ever. Best of the best. 49 centuries. Best.

Lol. 15 years at rcb. He won so many titles dint he. Goat.

Not really atleast for me Kohli is not near Sachin in tests and WC.
But kohli the T20 player is actually GOAT.
There is a reason why he was Mos twice in that format.

Right now for me Kohli is ATG, but it’s hilarious when Babar fans put him down for KO performances.

 

[kron]

Well its clear that Kohli will perform in this World Cup semifinal and finals.

The problem for Pakistani fans is that Kohli knows that this is the chink in his armor and he knows he hasn't performed up to expectations in Knockouts.

Unlike Babar Azam who already thinks he is number one in the world along with his fans.

And someone of his quality, self-awareness and discipline will simply iron out the creases.

I fully expect Kohli to score in semi and finals.

if he does then sure parade him as the goat boat. cake cut for the next 365 days. do all that. no issues. until then he isnt there yet.

 

[JaDed]

he never said babar is better than kohli and no sane person claimed that babar is goat though ?

I’ll tag you to show his pov on Babar and Shaheen all I’m saying is treat Kohli from the same yard stick.

 

[kron]

I’m guessing logic changes for PCT fans when it comes to their team, of KO is important yes it is..

Not really atleast for me Kohli is not near Sachin in tests and WC.
But kohli the T20 player is actually GOAT.
There is a reason why he was Mos twice in that format.

Right now for me Kohli is ATG, but it’s hilarious when Babar fans put him down for KO performances.

forget about babar dude. we are talking about kohli. kohli can be the best ever. he just needs to perform in 2 more games.
if you must know, i dont think babar is even better than kl rahul

 

[Dr_Bassim]

if he does then sure parade him as the goat boat. cake cut for the next 365 days. do all that. no issues. until then he isnt there yet.

I think Indian fans can cut the cake.

I just admire watching an ATG bat.

I don't care whether they belong to Israel, India or Seychelles.

I watch cricket to see battles and not get entwined in Pakistan vs India nonsense.

 

[kron]

I’ll tag you in posts to show his pov on Babar and Shaheen all I’m saying is treat Kohli from the same yard stick.

cant compare those 2. babar is a nobody still. shaheen has a long long way to go. he wouldnt start for india at this stage. such is the level of bowling in india.
only delusional fans would say babar is near kohli's level lol. just forget about that.

shaheen is a quality bowler but i dont think he is there at the level of bumrah, shami, rabada yet.
tier below. he will get there. he is younger.

 

[kron]

babar is only better than sky, iyer in indian team. iyer cause of his short ball woes otherwise he too has better shot making ability than babar.
rohit kohli and even rahul are better
i am not too convinced with gills's ability vs spin but he sure is better than babar vs pace and bounce.

 

[kron]

I think Indian fans can cut the cake.

I just admire watching an ATG bat.

I don't care whether they belong to Israel, India or Seychelles.

I watch cricket to see battles and not get entwined in Pakistan vs India nonsense.

given kohlis fitness level, playing in 2025 champions trophy isnt impossible. hell 2027 too if he still has decent reflexes. should quit tests and just focus on t20 and odi.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Guys,
This thread is not to compare Kohli and Babar here. The next irrelevant post will be removed.
Please stick to the topic.
No need to compare players in this thread. We have other threads available for this talk.​

 

[Bhaijaan]

This remarkable turnaround from 1999 World Cup to 2003 World Cup was made possible by Saurav Ganguly whom i regard the single most influential cricketer of the century for Bharatiya cricket.

People don’t realise now maybe but the 1990s apart from being the most exciting were also the darkest days in cricket. The rot has spread deep into both Bharatiya and Pakistan cricket. The senior cricketers of that era were unprofessional and mostly corrupt. They had created a venomous atmosphere in the dressing room and within cricket circles.

Please go watch the Tehelka sting operations documentary on YouTube and from the so many episodes posted there, you would not believe the players back them were all just playing political corrupt games and there was absolutely no focus on making the cricket team a champion side.

Tendulkar was a clean character but he couldn’t get rid off the rot because of his nature.

In came Ganguly and he booted all the bad elements out immediately and brought the under 19 guys in the team. Yuvraj, Zaheer, Harbhajan, Agarkar, Nehra. Our approach changed and we came a clean looking professional side. We were still an average team but at least we became an honest team that was pushing itself to become a champion team.

 

[VForVendetta]

Is it that easy to be league-stage giants? lol

2011 - WC winner. - India (Home) League stage giant - India

Pakistan & South Africa were the league stage bullies.

2015 - WC winner - Australia (Home) League stage giants - India/ New zealand
2019 - WC winner - England (home with a fluke tie win) League stage giant - India
2023 - WC winner - ??? League stage giant - India

How many league-stage giants are there across the World Cups. Only one. If it is that easy you will find more than one. You would love to have such a team rather than being hopeless in most of the world cups.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan & South Africa were the league stage bullies.

Which world cup SA dominated? In 2003 they finished 5th in first round and got kicked out. In 2007 they finished 4th in super eights. 2011 is the only time they topped the group. I don't think they dominated like India did.

This is the last 4 world cup W/L ratio. Look at the gap between India and other teams. I don't think apart from Australia nobody has dominated like this.

 

[VForVendetta]

Which world cup SA dominated? In 2003 they finished 5th in first round and got kicked out. In 2007 they finished 4th in super eights. 2011 is the only time they topped the group. I don't think they dominated like India did.

They topped in 96 group stage, that too as unbeaten(defeated the host hot favourite Pakistan). They topped in 99 as well, albeit losing shockingly to Zimbabwe. For the most part they have always been a good group/league stage side. Their issue always has been the knock out matches.

This is the last 4 world cup W/L ratio. Look at the gap between India and other teams. I don't think apart from Australia nobody has dominated like this.

No disputing about that. India in general since 2003 have been an excellent world cup side. Anyone who disagrees with that is either simply trolling or too young.

 

[Ab Fan]

This remarkable turnaround from 1999 World Cup to 2003 World Cup was made possible by Saurav Ganguly whom i regard the single most influential cricketer of the century for Bharatiya cricket.

People don’t realise now maybe but the 1990s apart from being the most exciting were also the darkest days in cricket. The rot has spread deep into both Bharatiya and Pakistan cricket. The senior cricketers of that era were unprofessional and mostly corrupt. They had created a venomous atmosphere in the dressing room and within cricket circles.

Please go watch the Tehelka sting operations documentary on YouTube and from the so many episodes posted there, you would not believe the players back them were all just playing political corrupt games and there was absolutely no focus on making the cricket team a champion side.

Tendulkar was a clean character but he couldn’t get rid off the rot because of his nature.

In came Ganguly and he booted all the bad elements out immediately and brought the under 19 guys in the team. Yuvraj, Zaheer, Harbhajan, Agarkar, Nehra. Our approach changed and we came a clean looking professional side. We were still an average team but at least we became an honest team that was pushing itself to become a champion team.

Right. That's why I would have Ganguly in my all time India ODI XI.

Rohit
Sachin
Saurav
Kohli
Yuvi
MSD(c/wkt)
Kapil
Kumble/Jadeja
Shami
Bumrah
Kuldeep

Jadeja can be 12th man also.

 

[Kianig89]

India transformation is similar to Manchester City, same color same pockets and same fans

 

[OMB]

India transformation is similar to Manchester City, same color same pockets and same fans

Right, but its self made, no gulf investments

 

[OMB]

Which world cup SA dominated? In 2003 they finished 5th in first round and got kicked out. In 2007 they finished 4th in super eights. 2011 is the only time they topped the group. I don't think they dominated like India did.

This is the last 4 world cup W/L ratio. Look at the gap between India and other teams. I don't think apart from Australia nobody has dominated like this.

Out of this 8 losses for AUS, 3 were against India.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Well its clear that Kohli will perform in this World Cup semifinal and finals.

The problem for Pakistani fans is that Kohli knows that this is the chink in his armor and he knows he hasn't performed up to expectations in Knockouts.

Unlike Babar Azam who already thinks he is number one in the world along with his fans.

And someone of his quality, self-awareness and discipline will simply iron out the creases.

I fully expect Kohli to score in semi and finals.

I have spent years analyzing cricket.

And I will bring be proven once again in final.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

There is more bad news for anyone who thinks SA Batting first (assuming they win the semi) will make India lose the final.

SA won't be able to rack up 400 with India bowling attack and will get bowled out for 200-250 which India will chase in 35.

Chasing 350 (which India will score batting first) will be impossible for SA.

And India will canter home to win the World Cup.

The best chance for Pakistani fans is India vs Australia.

Australia can pull this off if India bats first and restricts India to 250 odd by Zampa and Cummins and Starc.

If India is chasing vs Australia in final, they will win the Cup.

 

[kron]

There is more bad news for anyone who thinks SA Batting first (assuming they win the semi) will make India lose the final.

SA won't be able to rack up 400 with India bowling attack and will get bowled out for 200-250 which India will chase in 35.

Chasing 350 (which India will score batting first) will be impossible for SA.

And India will canter home to win the World Cup.

The best chance for Pakistani fans is India vs Australia.

Australia can pull this off if India bats first and restricts India to 250 odd by Zampa and Cummins and Starc.

If India is chasing vs Australia in final, they will win the Cup.

i am not sure if 300 plus is chaseable tbh. even for india. in a final. unheard of. but you never know. small ground. lolipop boundaries.

 

[Caved12]

Your Bharat have been great! 397 in a World Cup semi final match! Wow! Congratulations!

 

[Varun]

Good thing I started watching from the 2003 World Cup.

 

[RamLakhan]

Which world cup SA dominated? In 2003 they finished 5th in first round and got kicked out. In 2007 they finished 4th in super eights. 2011 is the only time they topped the group. I don't think they dominated like India did.

This is the last 4 world cup W/L ratio. Look at the gap between India and other teams. I don't think apart from Australia nobody has dominated like this.

Excellent stats! So much for people who think India have done poorly outside India (in world cups) and they need home condition to flourish! Also we are termed as bilateral bullies, but in reality we have done well in world cups also! It is just about that single knockout game! It is more to do with weakness in certain areas which opposition exploited in those previous editions! In 2015 bowling was too weak and in 2019 middle-order was non-existent... Still the team had overall more strength & skills compared to other teams. It is the consistent strength of opposition & their smartness which helped knock out the Indian team! Indian team did well in group stages because pressure was less...

But this team (the current one) is the more-rounded one... It still has some weaknesses (No.6 batter & Siraj) but they are not so big enough for opposition to exploit, and moreover the strengths & skills are too much for opposition! Still in the knockout game we saw the difference (game getting lot closer) that's why it is important to move towards 100% perfection.

This team would have won even if this world cup was played outside India. (At least end up being Runners-up, but 80% chance of winning even finals. I know still we have not won the cup). Pandya's injury would have been costly if this world cup was in SENA, he is more important than Jadeja outside India. India would have faced more problems in this world cup if Jadeja was injured instead of Pandya! That's how things work!

If one of our top 6 batsmen were capable of decent part-time spin (like Yuvaraj, Raina..) then Pandya (if fit) could have played in place of Siraj and improved the balance in the team. Siraj is actually inferior to Pandya (in terms of pure skills), but only thing is he has the fitness to bowl 10 overs. Pandya needs that cushion (someone sharing his overs, that's why Thakur was playing with him).

In Indian conditions we need: Bumrah+Shami+Pandya+Kuldeep+Jadeja+1 more part-time spinner. (Siraj at times was just filling overs between Bumrah & Shami. Pandya can also do this! He is more consistent in breaking partnerships compared to Siraj! Yes Siraj is capable of coming up with dreamy spells at times, but we shouldn't be carried away with this! That's less important in LOIs, consistency across all conditions is more important! Pandya is overall more effective bowler than Siraj! Yes he may leak runs at times, but so does Siraj! But he needs that another bowler to share his overs! That's the only drawback of him! Even the great Kallis needed that cushion - he never bowled full 10 overs, towards the end he played as pure batter! So does Stokes! Pandya can flourish as a player if can improve his fitness & if team management designs the team properly - the need of 6th bowler - part-time spinner).

In SENA conditions we need: Bumrah+Siraj+Shami+Pandya+Kuldeep+1 more part-time spinner (We don't need Jadeja, we need a better batsman than Jadeja who can bowl at least 75% of Jadeja). Jadeja & Pandya are pivotal players. We need at least 1 of them in the team to give that balance... Keeping both of them will be too much compromise on balance. (will lead to inclusion of players like Thakur... That's too much bits & pieces in the team diluting the specialists!) Jadeja is much fitter than Pandya, hence he usually is more trusted than Pandya! But ideally Pandya provides the better balance...

If we fine-tune this balance we will be more successful in knockout games, because in knockouts only pure skills & strengths don't work, we also need that X-factor, covering up weaknesses, smartness... If we somehow manage to lose this world cup I will attribute it definitely to Pandya's injury and the absence of a batsman with decent part-time spin bowling skills... There is too much pressure on Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Shami (the ace-players) to do well again in the finals... I hope they all deliver once again!

 

[Hitman]

Good thing I started watching from the 2003 World Cup.

1996 WC in the subcontinent was awesome.

 

[OMB]

1996 WC in the subcontinent was awesome.

100% agreed bro.
Cannot forget pinch hitting of Jaya

 

[Hitman]

100% agreed bro.
Cannot forget pinch hitting of Jaya

He was merely the sidekick, Jayasuriya was the one who took centerstage. What he did to Prabhakar in their match against India will be remembered for ages. Sri Lanka truly deserved to win that World Cup. I just wish fans in Eden Gardens didn't create that scene which they did in the semi final. Leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

 

[JaDed]

1996 WC in the subcontinent was awesome.

That’s when I started as well

 

[ex-q-zit]

i am not sure if 300 plus is chaseable tbh. even for india. in a final. unheard of. but you never know. small ground. lolipop boundaries.

300 was not chaseable 10 years ago. But now the game has changed. There are 2 balls, flat pitches, only 4 fielders outside the ring between overs 10-40. Thats why we see even teams like Pakistan which are poor in chasing doing it with ease (against SL scoring 345). We saw NZ chase 280 against ENG within 40 overs in the opening match at Ahmedabad.

Maybe 350+ would be a bit tough in a KO though NZ would have fancied it yeserday gainst IND if it was 350 instead of 400.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Of course they are good. A choker team has to be good. That is why when the good don't come good they are called chokers.

In 2019 I made an offering to Gods that may India lose the world cup and Modi comes to power. Today this Diwali I will be doing the same pooja to Gods that may Modi win in 2024 and India loses this world cup again.

Half of my prayers answered today. Fingers crossed.

 

[ghalib kichlu]

The batsman in 99 were much better, I still remember when India played at Taunton
The captaincy being passed over to ganguly and the likes of zaheer khan really progressed India as a cricketing nation
The match fixing getting caught and the culprits being banned for life really cleared the system out

 

[saqib.rai]

From 1989 to 1999
India won ZERO ICC tournaments

From 2013 to 2023
India Won ZERO ICC tournaments

So what transformation?
India is static. No progress

 

[Cricket Warrior]

They have invested in their domestic circuit and are now getting fruitful results.

 

[charlie007]

From 1989 to 1999
India won ZERO ICC tournaments

From 2013 to 2023
India Won ZERO ICC tournaments

So what transformation?
India is static. No progress

Often the short sightedness and lack of analytical skills leads some people to believe that the results of a transformation is just World Cup or ICC event wins. If those same people would use their brains just a little they will realize that India has indeed gone through a transformation.

They have won a few World Cups and other ICC titles is fine. That India has consistently been among the top teams in the world all these years is also great. However, the biggest transformation that we have seen is that kids and their parents actually see cricket as a career choice. Earlier, not many Indian parents would want their child to pursue any career outside of engineering and medicine, some people considered teaching, and a few others mostly grudgingly chose performing arts. Villages would only raise farmers or maybe traditional career avenues.
Now cricket is an actual career choice. It’s developed into its own economy. People (players, support staff, coaches, infrastructure developers) can earn a very good living through cricket; and I’m not just talking about international cricket or IPL - which is a huge boost obviously- but even domestic cricket. Those Ranji Trophy, Dilip Trophy, Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy, Irani Trophy, local T20 leagues. It’s a career choice now and THAT is what’s truly transformational.

 

[saqib.rai]

Often the short sightedness and lack of analytical skills leads some people to believe that the results of a transformation is just World Cup or ICC event wins. If those same people would use their brains just a little they will realize that India has indeed gone through a transformation.

They have won a few World Cups and other ICC titles is fine. That India has consistently been among the top teams in the world all these years is also great. However, the biggest transformation that we have seen is that kids and their parents actually see cricket as a career choice. Earlier, not many Indian parents would want their child to pursue any career outside of engineering and medicine, some people considered teaching, and a few others mostly grudgingly chose performing arts. Villages would only raise farmers or maybe traditional career avenues.
Now cricket is an actual career choice. It’s developed into its own economy. People (players, support staff, coaches, infrastructure developers) can earn a very good living through cricket; and I’m not just talking about international cricket or IPL - which is a huge boost obviously- but even domestic cricket. Those Ranji Trophy, Dilip Trophy, Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy, Irani Trophy, local T20 leagues. It’s a career choice now and THAT is what’s truly transformational.

If some people would use their brains a little bit they would realize that this is because India has a population of 1.4 billion with only ONE relevant sport
With internet and a mobile phone reaching every other person, the access to watching cricket is very easy as compared to before
With the increase in viewership comes increase in sponsors and brands wanting to promote themselves via cricket matches

This has happened in all countries around the world and in various sports. NOT only in India in general and Indian cricket in particular

Even in Pakistan, I didn't become a professional cricketer and focused on getting an education because only 15 players from one generation would earn good money
Nowadays, that number is much much higher

All of this has become possible through technology and innovation which has changed everyone's life
Indian cricket has nothing to do with it. Indian cricket's main job is to win trophies which they haven't been able to do for 10 years now

 

[Mamoon]

From 1989 to 1999
India won ZERO ICC tournaments

From 2013 to 2023
India Won ZERO ICC tournaments

So what transformation?
India is static. No progress

West Indies won three ICC tournaments in a 12 year period from 2004 to 2016.

The golden era of West Indies, widely regarded as the greatest team of all time, also won two trophies in a 12 year period from 1975 to 1987 (1975 and 1979 World Cups).

So the 2004-2016 West Indies must be better than the legendary West Indies team of the 80s and 90s.

 

[saqib.rai]

West Indies won three ICC tournaments in a 12 year period from 2004 to 2016.

The golden era of West Indies, widely regarded as the greatest team of all time, also won two trophies in a 12 year period from 1975 to 1987 (1975 and 1979 World Cups).

So the 2004-2016 West Indies must be better than the legendary West Indies team of the 80s and 90s.

You are an experienced poster and I respect you so please do not post illogical stuff like the previous poster who replied to this posted and got a shut up call

From 2004 to 2016, there were 13 ICC tournaments. Win percentage is 3/13.

From 1975 to 1987
There were 4. So win percentage is 2/4. An incredible 50%

 

[Mamoon]

You are an experienced poster and I respect you so please do not post illogical stuff like the previous poster who replied to this posted and got a shut up call

From 2004 to 2016, there were 13 ICC tournaments. Win percentage is 3/13.

From 1975 to 1987
There were 4. So win percentage is 2/4. An incredible 50%

Good.

So now you have resorted to terms and conditions because your original blanket statement of counting trophies over a 10 year period doesn’t hold up because there is a catch to it and you can’t ignore the context.

That was my intention and I have achieved my intention.

 

[saqib.rai]

Good.

So now you have resorted to terms and conditions because your original blanket statement of counting trophies over a 10 year period doesn’t hold up because there is a catch to it and you can’t ignore the context.

That was my intention and I have achieved my intention.

Say there is no WTC, No t20 WC, no Champions Trophy
Only the ODI World Cup like it was from 1970s to 1990s

India lost won in 2011, no one in his/her right mind can degrade them by saying they haven't won anything after that.

However, now we have an ICC tournament every year. Indian team prides itself in being the best team across formats.

But haven't won anything for 10 years. With their fake King and Hitman always flopping whenever it has mattered.
This is 10 tournament now including WTC
Cricket is only seriously played by 5-6 countries

There can NOT be a justification for this. Period

 

[Mamoon]

Say there is no WTC, No t20 WC, no Champions Trophy
Only the ODI World Cup like it was from 1970s to 1990s

India lost won in 2011, no one in his/her right mind can degrade them by saying they haven't won anything after that.

However, now we have an ICC tournament every year. Indian team prides itself in being the best team across formats.

But haven't won anything for 10 years. With their fake King and Hitman always flopping whenever it has mattered.
This is 10 tournament now including WTC
Cricket is only seriously played by 5-6 countries

There can NOT be a justification for this. Period

Since winning the CT in 2013, India have achieved the following since:

- longest ever reign as number 1 Test team in Asian cricket history

- longest reign as number 1 Test team for any team in the 2010-2020 decade

- 40 Test wins as captain for Kohli. The most for any Asian captain in history and the third most for any captain in history.

- Two Test series wins in Australia. No other Asian team in history has achieved a single series win in Australia.

- Not a single Test series lost at home.

- Consistently ranked in the top 2 in all formats and this ranking was achieved by beating all the full-strength top teams at some point, unlike the Pakistan number 1 ODI ranking that was achieved on the back of B and C team bashing.

- Two WTC Finals

- 1 ODI World Cup Final appearance, 1 T20 World Cup Final appearance, 1 Champions Trophy Final appearance. In 10 years. India missed out on a semifinal of an ICC tournament only once (T20 World Cup 2021).

Yes it is true that they have not won an ICC tournament in this period, but that hardly captures the full picture and the success and quality Indian cricket has had in this period.

Pakistani fans can make fun of them losing finals as much as they want, but the reality is that every single Pakistani fan would happily take the above achievements every single day and would swap places with Indian cricket in a jiffy. Whether or not they have the courage to admit is a different story.

 

[saqib.rai]

Since winning the CT in 2013, India have achieved the following since:

- longest ever reign as number 1 Test team in Asian cricket history

- longest reign as number 1 Test team for any team in the 2010-2020 decade

- 40 Test wins as captain for Kohli. The most for any Asian captain in history and the third most for any captain in history.

- Two Test series wins in Australia. No other Asian team in history has achieved a single series win in Australia.

- Not a single Test series lost at home.

- Consistently ranked in the top 2 in all formats and this ranking was achieved by beating all the full-strength top teams at some point, unlike the Pakistan number 1 ODI ranking that was achieved on the back of B and C team bashing.

- Two WTC Finals

- 1 ODI World Cup Final appearance, 1 T20 World Cup Final appearance, 1 Champions Trophy Final appearance. In 10 years. India missed out on a semifinal of an ICC tournament only once (T20 World Cup 2021).

Yes it is true that they have not won an ICC tournament in this period, but that hardly captures the full picture and the success and quality Indian cricket has had in this period.

Pakistani fans can make fun of them losing finals as much as they want, but the reality is that every single Pakistani fan would happily take the above achievements every single day and would swap places with Indian cricket in a jiffy. Whether or not they have the courage to admit is a different story.

I was in deep sadness for 3 weeks after we lost the t20 WC final last year

So NO, no Pakistani won would want his/her team be so "successful " by the parameters that you have defined and end up losing a knockout game/final everytime and go into deep sadness

They are 1.4 billion people- around 90% of the cricket playing and watching audience comes from India. They are a ONE sport country unlike England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand

 HOWEVER
even Sri Lanka and West Indies have an ICC title in the past 10 years and India has ZERO

Ask any Indian fan: and he/she would happily swap all these "achievements " that you have mentioned for a SINGLE ICC tournament win in the last 10 years. This is how important ICC tournaments are.
No one cares about ranking/bilaterals/"achievements" that you have mentioned anymore

 

[uppercut]

Since winning the CT in 2013, India have achieved the following since:

- longest ever reign as number 1 Test team in Asian cricket history

- longest reign as number 1 Test team for any team in the 2010-2020 decade

- 40 Test wins as captain for Kohli. The most for any Asian captain in history and the third most for any captain in history.

- Two Test series wins in Australia. No other Asian team in history has achieved a single series win in Australia.

- Not a single Test series lost at home.

- Consistently ranked in the top 2 in all formats and this ranking was achieved by beating all the full-strength top teams at some point, unlike the Pakistan number 1 ODI ranking that was achieved on the back of B and C team bashing.

- Two WTC Finals

- 1 ODI World Cup Final appearance, 1 T20 World Cup Final appearance, 1 Champions Trophy Final appearance. In 10 years. India missed out on a semifinal of an ICC tournament only once (T20 World Cup 2021).

Yes it is true that they have not won an ICC tournament in this period, but that hardly captures the full picture and the success and quality Indian cricket has had in this period.

Pakistani fans can make fun of them losing finals as much as they want, but the reality is that every single Pakistani fan would happily take the above achievements every single day and would swap places with Indian cricket in a jiffy. Whether or not they have the courage to admit is a different story.

And you did not even touch on the Worldcup H2H !! I mean I find it extremely mind boggling that there are people here who think they can troll Indian fans given the scoreline of 14-1 in ALL Worldcup encounters across both ODI and T20I spanning 3 decades playing in all corners of the world despite best efforts from EVERY Single modern Pakistani cricket legends starting from Imran, Waz, JM to Babar. Astounding levels of insecurity/hurt makes people write incredulous stuff I suppose !

 

[uppercut]

I was in deep sadness for 3 weeks after we lost the t20 WC final last year

No such thing for me when India lost many a T20 WC knockout matches. However to answer your question no serious Indian cricket fan would trade the EVEN one of the 2 Test series wins Aus. If you do find someone thats willing to do so ... it only means that they simply do not understand Cricket. It is much much harder to win a Test series in Aus for visiting teams than it is to win a ODI/T20 WC in any part of the world. The levels of difficulties are so high that it is impossible to explain unless someone has a deep understanding of cricket which in itself is a long process.

Ask any Indian fan: and he/she would happily swap all these "achievements " that you have mentioned for a SINGLE ICC tournament win in the last 10 years.

Absolutely categorically NO Friggin way. Over my dead body. Especially the 2 Test Series Wins in AUS. Not happening.

 

[saqib.rai]

No such thing for me when India lost many a T20 WC knockout matches. However to answer your question no serious Indian cricket fan would trade the EVEN one of the 2 Test series wins Aus. If you do find someone thats willing to do so ... it only means that they simply do not understand Cricket. It is much much harder to win a Test series in Aus for visiting teams than it is to win a ODI/T20 WC in any part of the world. The levels of difficulties are so high that it is impossible to explain unless someone has a deep understanding of cricket which in itself is a long process.




Absolutely categorically NO Friggin way. Over my dead body. Especially the 2 Test Series Wins in AUS. Not happening.

The 2018 series didn't have Smith and Warner- the 2 best players of the opposition.
When Pakistan wins in Australia InshAllah, I would want us to beat their best team- not a handicapped team

the 2020-21 win was orchestrated by a young team. Not your fake King and Hitman
Anyways, that was a BIG fluke. Otherwise India was a 36 all out team
And what did that win achieve?

A WTC final against New Zealand where it rained for 3 days and still you guys managed to lose somehow

 

[Technics 1210]

I love how Indian fans are trying to sugarcoat their WC final loss by claiming some meaningless Test bilateral is worth more.

Irony is, where India beat Australia in a Test series downunder, the Aussies paid in kind by beating and humiliating India in a WC final, in India.

 

[uppercut]

The 2018 series didn't have Smith and Warner- the 2 best players of the opposition.
When Pakistan wins in Australia InshAllah, I would want us to beat their best team- not a handicapped team

the 2020-21 win was orchestrated by a young team. Not your fake King and Hitman

Hold on ... so the Indian C-Team beating a full strength Aus in Aus doesn't have any value but bizarrely a full strength Indian team beating the Aussie B-Team in AUS somehow doesn't count as well ???

 

[Mamoon]

I was in deep sadness for 3 weeks after we lost the t20 WC final last year

You should be. Making a WT20 Final is pretty much the only thing Pakistan can achieve these days because they are not good enough to make an ODI World Cup final and win a Test series in a major country.

For the bigger teams like India, Australia, England etc., success is defined by the ODI World Cup and Test cricket. The World T20 and Champions Trophy is an afterthought.

So NO, no Pakistani won would want his/her team be so "successful " by the parameters that you have defined and end up losing a knockout game/final everytime and go into deep sadness

They are 1.4 billion people- around 90% of the cricket playing and watching audience comes from India. They are a ONE sport country unlike England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand

 HOWEVER
even Sri Lanka and West Indies have an ICC title in the past 10 years and India has ZERO

That is because Pakistan is incapable of achieving what India has achieved. Pakistan isn’t good enough to win a Test series in Australia or to be the dominant Test team for 5-6 years.

Same goes for teams like West Indies and Sri Lanka. Therefore, their parameters and criteria of success are same as Pakistan’s and different from India’s.

Population and performance aren’t always proportional and Pakistani fans should know this better than any other fans.

Take India out and Pakistan has more population than all other cricket nations put together, and yet Pakistan has been a strictly average cricket team for more than 75% of its history.

India has only recently (last two decades) tapped into its potential due to the economic growth and development of the 90’s. They have made a lot of investment in cricket infrastructure and developed a high performance culture. This has helped change the mentality of Indian cricket.

Yes, they have not won a white ball trophy in 10 years but it isn’t the only barometer for success. Being the dominant Test team for the better part of the last 10 years and winning multiple series in Australia more than makes up for a lack of white ball trophy.

Ask any Indian fan: and he/she would happily swap all these "achievements " that you have mentioned for a SINGLE ICC tournament win in the last 10 years. This is how important ICC tournaments are.
No one cares about ranking/bilaterals/"achievements" that you have mentioned anymore

Indian fans have already given you their answer. There is no way they would swap their success of the last 10 years in Test cricket for a T20 World Cup and a Champions Trophy. Maybe for an ODI World Cup, but not for the two lesser white ball tournaments.

Your answer would have been the same too but as a Pakistan, you don’t know the feeling of being the dominant Test team or winning multiple series in Australia because Pakistan is not good enough to achieve those things and never will be. We just don’t have what it takes.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

I love how Indian fans are trying to sugarcoat their WC final loss by claiming some meaningless Test bilateral is worth more.

Irony is, where India beat Australia in a Test series downunder, the Aussies paid in kind by beating and humiliating India in a WC final, in India.

Test bilateral lol, this is what I expect from a pakistani fan lol. You will never know the feeling of winning 2 test series in Australia, because you have been getting humiliated and Whitewashed there for the last 3 decades. Enjoy your fluke champions trophy lol

 

[Statpadder Inc]

From 1989 to 1999
India won ZERO ICC tournaments

From 2013 to 2023
India Won ZERO ICC tournaments

So what transformation?
India is static. No progress

0 worlds cups since 1992
0-8 against your biggest rivals
Humiliated by Afghanistan
Terrible test team
Same amount of semis as kenya since 2003
Pakistan cricket is going to die off, it burns you how much your biggest rivals are ahead of you while slide off to becoming a West Indies tier team

 

[Hitman]

Test bilateral lol, this is what I expect from a pakistani fan lol. You will never know the feeling of winning 2 test series in Australia, because you have been getting humiliated and Whitewashed there for the last 3 decades. Enjoy your fluke champions trophy lol

What else do you expect from a fan whose team last avoided a loss in a Test match in Australia in 1995. Since then they have lost every single Test match they have played there.

Test bilateral …

 

[Hitman]

And a big LOL at any Indian fan exchanging our 2 Test series wins in Australia for a T20 WC or CT. Any professional cricketer with a brain knows the value of winning 2 Test series in Australia.

Pakistan should try and manage a draw in one of the Tests in Australia due to start next month. That would be nothing short of a miracle.

 

[Hitman]

What else do you expect from a fan whose team last avoided a loss in a Test match in Australia in 1995. Since then they have lost every single Test match they have played there.

Test bilateral …

By the way, does anyone remember Ian Chappell saying in 2017 that Australia should stop inviting Pakistan because they are not worth it? Can anything else be more humiliating?

 

[sweep_shot]

And a big LOL at any Indian fan exchanging our 2 Test series wins in Australia for a T20 WC or CT. Any professional cricketer with a brain knows the value of winning 2 Test series in Australia.

Pakistan should try and manage a draw in one of the Tests in Australia due to start next month. That would be nothing short of a miracle.

Test series happens since 1877. There are probably hundreds of important Test series like the "2 Test series" you mentioned.

ICC tournaments (CT, WTC, World T20, and ODI World Cup) are a level above any Test series.

 

[saqib.rai]

You should be. Making a WT20 Final is pretty much the only thing Pakistan can achieve these days because they are not good enough to make an ODI World Cup final and win a Test series in a major country.

For the bigger teams like India, Australia, England etc., success is defined by the ODI World Cup and Test cricket. The World T20 and Champions Trophy is an afterthought.

That is because Pakistan is incapable of achieving what India has achieved. Pakistan isn’t good enough to win a Test series in Australia or to be the dominant Test team for 5-6 years.

Same goes for teams like West Indies and Sri Lanka. Therefore, their parameters and criteria of success are same as Pakistan’s and different from India’s.

Population and performance aren’t always proportional and Pakistani fans should know this better than any other fans.

Take India out and Pakistan has more population than all other cricket nations put together, and yet Pakistan has been a strictly average cricket team for more than 75% of its history.

India has only recently (last two decades) tapped into its potential due to the economic growth and development of the 90’s. They have made a lot of investment in cricket infrastructure and developed a high performance culture. This has helped change the mentality of Indian cricket.

Yes, they have not won a white ball trophy in 10 years but it isn’t the only barometer for success. Being the dominant Test team for the better part of the last 10 years and winning multiple series in Australia more than makes up for a lack of white ball trophy.

Indian fans have already given you their answer. There is no way they would swap their success of the last 10 years in Test cricket for a T20 World Cup and a Champions Trophy. Maybe for an ODI World Cup, but not for the two lesser white ball tournaments.

Your answer would have been the same too but as a Pakistan, you don’t know the feeling of being the dominant Test team or winning multiple series in Australia because Pakistan is not good enough to achieve those things and never will be. We just don’t have what it takes.

Looking at your reply, it looks like you consider Test Cricket as the ultimate form of the game and success in test cricket is what makes a great team. Valid point and well taken

But now, test cricket has finally gotten context. Thankfully

Winning a test series in Australia or any other country away is only IMPORTANT because it makes your qualification to the WTC final easier

The 2021 Indian win ensured they qualified for the final. What happened in the final?
It rained for 3 days still India were beaten by New Zealand

4 years ago, I would have swapped a test series win in Australia for a Champions Trophy/t20 WC win
But now, NO
Win the WTC final even if you are whitewashed in a difficult series away.
WINNING THE WTC IS WHAT MATTERS

So the 2021 series win doesn't account for much as they were hammered by New Zealand in the final

The 2018 series win was against a handicapped Australian team missing 2 of it's best players. Even Pakistan would have defeated that Australia team

Also, your "dominant " test team in the last 10 years has lost all away series in South Africa and New Zealand
Has not won an away series in England. Is this domonation?

Has defeated a handicapped Australian team in 2018 and the 2021 win was a fluke- just like Sri Lanka beating South Africa away was a fluke. Otherwise level 36 all out wala tha

 

[Hitman]

Test series happens since 1877. There are probably hundreds of important Test series like the "2 Test series" you mentioned.

ICC tournaments (CT, WTC, World T20, and ODI World Cup) are a level above any Test series.

Test cricket is for men, pyjama cricket is for boys. World T20 and CT might be more valuable than Test series wins in Australia for pimple faced teenagers, but not for us mature fans.

In fact I’d gladly trade both our World T20 and CT victories for another Test series win in Australia.

 

[sweep_shot]

Test cricket is for men, pyjama cricket is for boys. World T20 and CT might be more valuable than Test series wins in Australia for pimple faced teenagers, but not for us mature fans.

In fact I’d gladly trade both our World T20 and CT victories for another Test series win in Australia.

I am in my 30's. Not a teenager. I have no pimple on my face.

I am a lover of Test cricket. I want both IPL and T20 banned which I think have destroyed the game of cricket.

Having said that, those 2 Australia-India series were not anything special. There have been hundreds of important Test series like that since 1877.

This is not a Mughal conspiracy. This is a fact.

Just because India can't win ICC events doesn't mean those are not important. World Cups are more important than regular games. That's how it is in every sport.

 

[Hitman]

I am in my 30's. Not a teenager. I have no pimple on my face.

I am a lover of Test cricket. I want both IPL and T20 banned which I think have destroyed the game of cricket.

Having said that, those 2 Australia-India series were not anything special. There have been hundreds of important Test series like that since 1877.

This is not a Mughal conspiracy. This is a fact.

Those 2 Test series were nothing special for whom? For non Indian fans? Sure. Just like Test series wins by other teams are nothing special for us.

What matters is how much us Indian fans value those 2 Test series wins since it's our team that won them. I'm pretty sure Pakistan drawing a Test series in West Indies against a B team back in 1989 means nothing to us Indians. But it doesn't matter because it doesn't have to be special to us. All it matters is how much Pakistani fans value that drawn series.

I personally don't care about the Ashes and it's history. Doesn't matter. What matters is how much the Aussie and English fans value them.

 

[saqib.rai]

Test cricket is for men, pyjama cricket is for boys. World T20 and CT might be more valuable than Test series wins in Australia for pimple faced teenagers, but not for us mature fans.

In fact I’d gladly trade both our World T20 and CT victories for another Test series win in Australia.

You aren't getting the point

The 2021 win was important only because it led to India qualifying for WTC final
Which India eventually lost even after 3 days of rain

Nowadays, bilaterals white ball cricket does not matter
Bilateral test cricket is only important as matches are part of WTC

 

[Mamoon]

Looking at your reply, it looks like you consider Test Cricket as the ultimate form of the game and success in test cricket is what makes a great team. Valid point and well taken

But now, test cricket has finally gotten context. Thankfully

Winning a test series in Australia or any other country away is only IMPORTANT because it makes your qualification to the WTC final easier

The 2021 Indian win ensured they qualified for the final. What happened in the final?
It rained for 3 days still India were beaten by New Zealand

4 years ago, I would have swapped a test series win in Australia for a Champions Trophy/t20 WC win
But now, NO
Win the WTC final even if you are whitewashed in a difficult series away.
WINNING THE WTC IS WHAT MATTERS

So the 2021 series win doesn't account for much as they were hammered by New Zealand in the final

The 2018 series win was against a handicapped Australian team missing 2 of it's best players. Even Pakistan would have defeated that Australia team

Also, your "dominant " test team in the last 10 years has lost all away series in South Africa and New Zealand
Has not won an away series in England. Is this domonation?

Has defeated a handicapped Australian team in 2018 and the 2021 win was a fluke- just like Sri Lanka beating South Africa away was a fluke. Otherwise level 36 all out wala tha

Winning a Test series in Australia, England or India is bigger than winning the WTC.

The WTC is a failed tournament and it will have a short life in its current form simply because all teams are not playing in the same conditions.

For example, there is absolutely no way New Zealand would make a WTC Final in 2021 if they were playing their matches in Asia.

You cannot have a “championship” where each team is playing in different conditions and playing different number of matches.

For example, Pakistan had such an easy route to the WTC Final this year because all their major series where scheduled at home but they still couldn’t capitalize because they broke all records of incompetence and mediocrity by losing to both Australia and England and drawing with New Zealand.

You can ask any Indian fan and they would tell you that they wouldn’t swap the two Test series wins in Australia with a WTC Final victory over Australia in England.
Similarly, New Zealand and Australia would trade their WTC Final wins over India in England with Test series wins in India.

As far as India’s dominance in Test cricket in 2015-2021 is concerned, dominance doesn’t mean perfection. Were India perfect? Of course not, no team can be perfect. Ponting’s Australia was also not perfect, but they did better than everyone else and so did this Indian team.

In that period, no team was even close to them. India were absolutely brutal at home and won two Test series in Australia. They did much more than every other Test team of that period and this is why they were the dominant Test team.

If I were to rank the top 5 achievements in international cricket based on difficulty, importance and value, I would rank them the following:

1. Beating India/Australia away in a Test series and maintaining number 1 Test ranking for a long period of time (at least 24 months continuously)

2. Winning an ODI World Cup

3. Beating England, SA and NZ away in a Test series

4. Winning the WTC

5. Winning a WT20/Champions Trophy

 

[sweep_shot]

If I were to rank the top 5 achievements in international cricket based on difficulty, importance and value, I would rank them the following:

1. Beating India/Australia away in a Test series and maintaining number 1 Test ranking for a long period of time (at least 24 months continuously)

2. Winning an ODI World Cup

3. Beating England, SA and NZ away in a Test series

4. Winning the WTC

5. Winning a WT20/Champions Trophy

I don't agree with #1 and #3.

My rankings would be:

1. Winning an ODI World Cup.

2. Test series wins.

4. Winning the WTC.

5. Winning a WT20/Champions Trophy.

I think a true #1 team would win ICC trophies and dominate the Test area (like the Aussies did before).

 

[Technics 1210]

In 20 years time, no one will remember how India won a Test series in Australia, but everyone will remember how Australia humiliated India in an ODI WC final in 2023, heck, Indians still remember Ponting’s century in the 2003 WC final, that’s how important and prominent ODI WCs are.

 

[Buffet]

Winning a Test series in Australia, England or India is bigger than winning the WTC.

The WTC is a failed tournament and it will have a short life in its current form simply because all teams are not playing in the same conditions.

For example, there is absolutely no way New Zealand would make a WTC Final in 2021 if they were playing their matches in Asia.

You cannot have a “championship” where each team is playing in different conditions and playing different number of matches.

For example, Pakistan had such an easy route to the WTC Final this year because all their major series where scheduled at home but they still couldn’t capitalize because they broke all records of incompetence and mediocrity by losing to both Australia and England and drawing with New Zealand.

You can ask any Indian fan and they would tell you that they wouldn’t swap the two Test series wins in Australia with a WTC Final victory over Australia in England.
Similarly, New Zealand and Australia would trade their WTC Final wins over India in England with Test series wins in India.

As far as India’s dominance in Test cricket in 2015-2021 is concerned, dominance doesn’t mean perfection. Were India perfect? Of course not, no team can be perfect. Ponting’s Australia was also not perfect, but they did better than everyone else and so did this Indian team.

In that period, no team was even close to them. India were absolutely brutal at home and won two Test series in Australia. They did much more than every other Test team of that period and this is why they were the dominant Test team.

If I were to rank the top 5 achievements in international cricket based on difficulty, importance and value, I would rank them the following:

1. Beating India/Australia away in a Test series and maintaining number 1 Test ranking for a long period of time (at least 24 months continuously)

2. Winning an ODI World Cup

3. Beating England, SA and NZ away in a Test series

4. Winning the WTC

5. Winning a WT20/Champions Trophy

Agree mostly with these 5 , but I think rank one in test can be maintained if a team happens to play mostly at home and avoid tough tours in those 2 years. Now, it won't be possible for mid tier teams to so it because they may at best get to the top rank after taking advantage of those home tours already so they won't have much luck left. But top teams can maintain rank 1 for 24 months and I won't put that achievement as same difficulty level as winning test series in India and Aus.

I think beating Aus and India in their den is harder. SA series wins were hard as well but SA always dropped some games. Aus and India simply destroys oppositions.

 

[sweep_shot]

In 20 years time, no one will remember how India won a Test series in Australia, but everyone will remember how Australia humiliated India in an ODI WC final in 2023, heck, Indians still remember Ponting’s century in the 2003 WC final, that’s how important and prominent ODI WCs are.

Exactly.

How many people remember what happened in Test series from 1975 (for example)? Probably very few would care.

But, any regular cricket fan would remember the 1975 WC. World Cups are the pinnacles of any sport.

 

[Hitman]

In 20 years time, no one will remember how India won a Test series in Australia, but everyone will remember how Australia humiliated India in an ODI WC final in 2023, heck, Indians still remember Ponting’s century in the 2003 WC final, that’s how important and prominent ODI WCs are.

LMAO, we still relish and cherish our Test series win in West Indies in 1971, which was 52 years ago. Just because your team has lost every single Test match they have played in Australia since 1999, doesn’t mean other teams are equally incompetent and gutless as yours.

 

[saqib.rai]

Winning a Test series in Australia, England or India is bigger than winning the WTC.

The WTC is a failed tournament and it will have a short life in its current form simply because all teams are not playing in the same conditions.

For example, there is absolutely no way New Zealand would make a WTC Final in 2021 if they were playing their matches in Asia.

You cannot have a “championship” where each team is playing in different conditions and playing different number of matches.

For example, Pakistan had such an easy route to the WTC Final this year because all their major series where scheduled at home but they still couldn’t capitalize because they broke all records of incompetence and mediocrity by losing to both Australia and England and drawing with New Zealand.

You can ask any Indian fan and they would tell you that they wouldn’t swap the two Test series wins in Australia with a WTC Final victory over Australia in England.
Similarly, New Zealand and Australia would trade their WTC Final wins over India in England with Test series wins in India.

As far as India’s dominance in Test cricket in 2015-2021 is concerned, dominance doesn’t mean perfection. Were India perfect? Of course not, no team can be perfect. Ponting’s Australia was also not perfect, but they did better than everyone else and so did this Indian team.

In that period, no team was even close to them. India were absolutely brutal at home and won two Test series in Australia. They did much more than every other Test team of that period and this is why they were the dominant Test team.

If I were to rank the top 5 achievements in international cricket based on difficulty, importance and value, I would rank them the following:

1. Beating India/Australia away in a Test series and maintaining number 1 Test ranking for a long period of time (at least 24 months continuously)

2. Winning an ODI World Cup

3. Beating England, SA and NZ away in a Test series

4. Winning the WTC

5. Winning a WT20/Champions Trophy

Winning a Test series in Australia, England or India is bigger than winning the WTC.

The WTC is a failed tournament and it will have a short life in its current form simply because all teams are not playing in the same conditions.

For example, there is absolutely no way New Zealand would make a WTC Final in 2021 if they were playing their matches in Asia.

You cannot have a “championship” where each team is playing in different conditions and playing different number of matches.

For example, Pakistan had such an easy route to the WTC Final this year because all their major series where scheduled at home but they still couldn’t capitalize because they broke all records of incompetence and mediocrity by losing to both Australia and England and drawing with New Zealand.

You can ask any Indian fan and they would tell you that they wouldn’t swap the two Test series wins in Australia with a WTC Final victory over Australia in England.
Similarly, New Zealand and Australia would trade their WTC Final wins over India in England with Test series wins in India.

As far as India’s dominance in Test cricket in 2015-2021 is concerned, dominance doesn’t mean perfection. Were India perfect? Of course not, no team can be perfect. Ponting’s Australia was also not perfect, but they did better than everyone else and so did this Indian team.

In that period, no team was even close to them. India were absolutely brutal at home and won two Test series in Australia. They did much more than every other Test team of that period and this is why they were the dominant Test team.

If I were to rank the top 5 achievements in international cricket based on difficulty, importance and value, I would rank them the following:

1. Beating India/Australia away in a Test series and maintaining number 1 Test ranking for a long period of time (at least 24 months continuously)

2. Winning an ODI World Cup

3. Beating England, SA and NZ away in a Test series

4. Winning the WTC

5. Winning a WT20/Champions Trophy

That is why I get so annoyed

Ponting's Australia won a test series
In India
In South Africa
In New Zealand

Won consecutive WORLD CUPS
Won Consecutive Champions Trophies

Beat a World Eleven convincingly. Were number 1 in both formats for the longest time

India in last 10 years
Lost all series in South Africa and New Zealand
Didn't win a test series in Engand
Didn't win the ODI World Cup
Didn't win any ICC titles

Just 2 series wins in Australia to show for all the "domination". And in one of those series Australia were missing their best players

There is just no comparison

If I were to rank teams in the past decade

Australia would be 1
With 2 ODI world Cups and a t20 World Cup win. A WTC win as well

England would be 2
For their style of play. An ODI World Cup and a t20 World Cup win as well

New Zealand would be 3
With a WTC win. Consecutive World Cup finals. Whitewashing India in a home test series. With a 5 million population, and cricket being a secondary sports to rugby, they have done remarkably well

Pakistan would be 4
For reaching the knockouts of t20 WCs the most number of times. For being number 1 in t20s for the longest period
For reaching number 1 rank in ODI
For reaching number 1 in tests without playing a home test series

India, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, south Africa are 5-10 in no particular order

 

[Technics 1210]

Exactly.

How many people remember what happened in Test series from 1975 (for example)? Probably very few would care.

But, any regular cricket fan would remember the 1975 WC. World Cups are the pinnacles of any sport.

Of course WCs are the pinnacle of any sport.

The notion that a Test series win is greater than a WC title is just a coping mechanism for Indian fans. This can be proven easily, ask the same Indian fans if they would swap a fluke Test series win in Australia with an ODI WC title - the answer will always be a resounding yes.

 

[Buffet]

Exactly.

How many people remember what happened in Test series from 1975 (for example)? Probably very few would care.

But, any regular cricket fan would remember the 1975 WC. World Cups are the pinnacles of any sport.

Ind Aus 2001 Series
Aus SA 2008 Series
Ind Pak 1999 Series
Aus NZ 1985 Series
Aus Ind 2021 Series
Pak WI 1987 Series
Eng Aus 2005 Series


These test series over anything else in world cricket for me. ODI WC is great as well and I think I will put them around same level, but there is something different about winning against all odds against a strong team in their den. You need to really test all your skills to do so.

India could win a WC against mighty WI, but they had no chance against WI in WI when it came to winning a test series. It's just harder and it's common sense. Now, some one preferring something different is not an issue.

 

[sweep_shot]

Ind Aus 2001 Series
Aus SA 2008 Series
Ind Pak 1999 Series
Aus NZ 1985 Series
Aus Ind 2021 Series
Pak WI 1987 Series
Eng Aus 2005 Series


These test series over anything else in world cricket for me. ODI WC is great as well, but there is something different about winning against all odds against a strong team in their den. You need to really test all your skills to do so.

These are great series but I can't agree these are bigger than ODI World Cup.

ODI World Cup is same as FIFA World Cup. These are the ultimate events. The pressures and expectations are much more.

Test series is a level below. I say that as someone who loves Test cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Of course WCs are the pinnacle of any sport.

The notion that a Test series win is greater than a WC title is just a coping mechanism for Indian fans. This can be proven easily, ask the same Indian fans if they would swap a fluke Test series win in Australia with an ODI WC title - the answer will always be a resounding yes.

Pakistani fans should be the last set of fans to downplay a Test series win in Australia as “fluke”.

Pakistan has never won a Test series in Australia and never will, and the last they did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket.

Even the infamous Law of Averages is helpless against Pakistan’s mediocrity in Australia.

Speaking of coping mechanism, the greatest coping mechanism for Pakistani fans is seeing India lose a final because their own team is incapable of giving them happiness and India’s failures tower over Pakistan’s success.

 

[Hitman]

You aren't getting the point

The 2021 win was important only because it led to India qualifying for WTC final
Which India eventually lost even after 3 days of rain

Nowadays, bilaterals white ball cricket does not matter
Bilateral test cricket is only important as matches are part of WTC

You’re getting the point but you’re trying to avoid it because you can’t counter it. Test series victories away from home will always hold the same prestige that it held before. Of course your team has lost every single Test match they have played in Australia since 1999, so you have no other choice but to try and downplay India’s 2 Test series victories in Australia. Deep inside it burns you to death.

 

[topspin]

Pakistani fans should be the last set of fans to downplay a Test series win in Australia as “fluke”.

Pakistan has never won a Test series in Australia and never will, and the last they did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket.

Even the infamous Law of Averages is helpless against Pakistan’s mediocrity in Australia.

Speaking of coping mechanism, the greatest coping mechanism for Pakistani fans is seeing India lose a final because their own team is incapable of giving them happiness and India’s failures tower over Pakistan’s success.

When it comes to India's loss I can see the pain and disappointment in your words.

 

[Mamoon]

That is why I get so annoyed

Ponting's Australia won a test series
In India
In South Africa
In New Zealand

Won consecutive WORLD CUPS
Won Consecutive Champions Trophies

Beat a World Eleven convincingly. Were number 1 in both formats for the longest time

India in last 10 years
Lost all series in South Africa and New Zealand
Didn't win a test series in Engand
Didn't win the ODI World Cup
Didn't win any ICC titles

Just 2 series wins in Australia to show for all the "domination". And in one of those series Australia were missing their best players

There is just no comparison

If I were to rank teams in the past decade

Australia would be 1
With 2 ODI world Cups and a t20 World Cup win. A WTC win as well

England would be 2
For their style of play. An ODI World Cup and a t20 World Cup win as well

New Zealand would be 3
With a WTC win. Consecutive World Cup finals. Whitewashing India in a home test series. With a 5 million population, and cricket being a secondary sports to rugby, they have done remarkably well

Pakistan would be 4
For reaching the knockouts of t20 WCs the most number of times. For being number 1 in t20s for the longest period
For reaching number 1 rank in ODI
For reaching number 1 in tests without playing a home test series

India, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, south Africa are 5-10 in no particular order

No one said that India 2015-2021 is greater than Ponting’s Australia. To reach that level, they needed to win both in England and Australia or win the 2015 or 2019 World Cup.
However, they were by far the greatest Asian Test team of all time because they achieved much more than every single Asian Test team of the past.

Putting Pakistan ahead of India in your rankings for the past decade and putting India, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, South Africa at the same level in no particular order shows that I was completely wrong to argue with you all this time.

 

[Buffet]

These are great series but I can't agree these are bigger than ODI World Cup.

ODI World Cup is same as FIFA World Cup. These are the ultimate events. The pressures and expectations are much more.

Test series is a level below. I say that as someone who loves Test cricket.

As I said, I it comes down to personal preference and what you value more. I rate performance in strong opposition's den in long test series( not 2 tests) higher. Not any random test series, only really the tough ones.

 

[sweep_shot]

Another point I want to mention is which one do most fans prefer? An ODI World Cup final or an important Test?

A World Cup final can have 100,000 fans like we saw in Ahmedabad. Will we see the same figure for an important test? I highly doubt (probably not even close).

2015 WC final had an attendance of 93,000+. I don't see any Test beating that.