How The Far-Right Could Cause Genocide In India | The Mehdi Hasan Show

[Lego20]

Lets pour in the outrage and magnify this propaganda. Lets through enough mud so at least some of it will stick.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This guy

 

[MenInG]

This guy

Lets pour in the outrage and magnify this propaganda. Lets through enough mud so at least some of it will stick.

Ok so the purpose of this thread is to pre-empt the outrage without actually countering with anything useful?

 

[Mamoon]

Mehdi Hasan is a joke. A self-appointed political expert who thinks he is the smartest person in the room and can intimidate his guests with his fancy British accent.

Whenever his guests answer him back and put him under pressure, he turns into a kitten and throws his toys out of the pram.

He was put in his place by an Israeli foreign minister when he asked him about Israel’s nuclear program and started whining.

He makes a lot of noise but there is no substance to his arguments and he plays to the galleries to appease his fan-following.

 

[MenInG]

Mehdi Hasan is a joke. A self-appointed political expert who thinks he is the smartest person in the room and can intimidate his guests with his fancy British accent.

Whenever his guests answer him back and put him under pressure, he turns into a kitten and throws his toys out of the pram.

He was put in his place by an Israeli foreign minister when he asked him about Israel’s nuclear program and started whining.

He makes a lot of noise but there is no substance to his arguments and he plays to the galleries to appease his fan-following.

Anythying specific that stands out in this video that bothers you or you would like to address?

Generic rants will get you fans but doesnt add to this thread.

 

[Romali_rotti]

To be fair, I have found Mehdi to be a pretty decent journalist.

He has condemned Pakistan's activities in Kashmir and religious extremism in the past also....

But that Rana Ayub ? LOL OH Oh Ban Kashmiri Files, and only listen to what I say.. She is an outright fraud and a loser with her pathetic agenda..

 

[MenInG]

Anythying specific that stands out in this video that bothers you or you would like to address?

Generic rants will get you fans but doesnt add to this thread.

Silence from tread starter.

Add something specific to this thread or it gets binned.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Lets pour in the outrage and magnify this propaganda. Lets through enough mud so at least some of it will stick.

Nothing will stick to Modi..he has been feted by both left and right of the western world establishment..he is in a position of strength being the popular and elected leader of the world's largest democracy and economic powerhouse...
So these Rana Ayyubs and the rest can cry as much as they can... they will achieve zilch..

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Mehdi Hasan is a joker.
He don't know anything in politics.

 

[Salma_T]

Mehdi Hasan is a joker.
He don't know anything in politics.

Of course not, has hosted/participated in pr politics shows across the UK and US!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Nothing will stick to Modi..he has been feted by both left and right of the western world establishment..he is in a position of strength being the popular and elected leader of the world's largest democracy and economic powerhouse...
So these Rana Ayyubs and the rest can cry as much as they can... they will achieve zilch..

He hasn't been feted at all, he's been branded a Hindu supremacist and accused of fomenting ethnic hatred in his own country. But we do recognise there is lots of money on the table in India, and our business and military interests align for now, so we will ignore it for the most part. Same as we do for human rights abuse specialists Saudi Arabia.

 

[Romali_rotti]

He hasn't been feted at all, he's been branded a Hindu supremacist and accused of fomenting ethnic hatred in his own country. But we do recognise there is lots of money on the table in India, and our business and military interests align for now, so we will ignore it for the most part. Same as we do for human rights abuse specialists Saudi Arabia.

Ahhh good to see Cap is back to his neutral Brit self....

 

[Salma_T]

He hasn't been feted at all, he's been branded a Hindu supremacist and accused of fomenting ethnic hatred in his own country. But we do recognise there is lots of money on the table in India, and our business and military interests align for now, so we will ignore it for the most part. Same as we do for human rights abuse specialists Saudi Arabia.

100%, the are needed by the west why else have the UK, AU struck trade deals in the last 4 weeks and visit from the EU too!
The west turns a blind eye if it serves their purpose, there are major issues in India but fair play to India to make hay while they are the flavour of the decade.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ok so the purpose of this thread is to pre-empt the outrage without actually countering with anything useful?

Facts can be countered, not opinions. Opinions are just opinions.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

100%, the are needed by the west why else have the UK, AU struck trade deals in the last 4 weeks and visit from the EU too!
The west turns a blind eye if it serves their purpose, there are major issues in India but fair play to India to make hay while they are the flavour of the decade.

There will be a window for India to develop their own infrastucture while they are flavour of the decade, but whether a Hindutva govt focused on self preservation will be the sort of leadership that will be able to deliver that must be questionable. It's like asking the Taliban to produce their best version of Pop Idol in Afghanistan.

But for we westerners, there is certainly plenty of opportunity available if they will open up receptively.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its his opinion that muslims will face a genocide.

Problem is that muslims have been politically privileged by parties to get their votes. Kept above the law and pandered to.

Now since talk is raging around equal laws for them too, some of them are feeling discomforted.

When you are privileged, equal treatment feels like oppression.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He hasn't been feted at all, he's been branded a Hindu supremacist and accused of fomenting ethnic hatred in his own country. But we do recognise there is lots of money on the table in India, and our business and military interests align for now, so we will ignore it for the most part. Same as we do for human rights abuse specialists Saudi Arabia.

Accused by? Which court is holding that trial?

Gone are the days when western NGOs or media would decide who is what.

 

[Salma_T]

Its his opinion that muslims will face a genocide.

Problem is that muslims have been politically privileged by parties to get their votes. Kept above the law and pandered to.

Now since talk is raging around equal laws for them too, some of them are feeling discomforted.

When you are privileged, equal treatment feels like oppression.

It isn't his opinion it an organisation called genocide watch who are saying this!

 

[Zaz]

Mehndis saying nothing new which hasnt been highlighted before

The butcher of gujurat and his cronies have left india on the brink of a civil war and to think indians voted in this horrid far right party

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Accused by? Which court is holding that trial?

Gone are the days when western NGOs or media would decide who is what.

I'm not here to educate you on how British media reports on India. You'd have to read western news articles or watch their documentaries to know about it. I'm sure there have been plenty posted here in the last few years, but can post plenty more if you are still in any doubt.

 

[Zaz]

Its his opinion that muslims will face a genocide.

Problem is that muslims have been politically privileged by parties to get their votes. Kept above the law and pandered to.

Now since talk is raging around equal laws for them too, some of them are feeling discomforted.

When you are privileged, equal treatment feels like oppression.

Lynchings, politicians calling for genocide, hate speech, is all equal treatment? Ive heard it all now

 

[Oxfordchamp]

He hasn't been feted at all, he's been branded a Hindu supremacist and accused of fomenting ethnic hatred in his own country. But we do recognise there is lots of money on the table in India, and our business and military interests align for now, so we will ignore it for the most part. Same as we do for human rights abuse specialists Saudi Arabia.

From Obama to Trump to Biden, all have and had great relationship with Modi and laid out the red carpet..Modi also addressed the joint session of US congress...and many more...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

From Obama to Trump to Biden, all have and had great relationship with Modi and laid out the red carpet..Modi also addressed the joint session of US congress...and many more...

If that's what you call a great relationship, they'll all have a great relationship with Pakistan's Sharif clan soon, depending on how far they are willing to bend over for them.

 

[Zaz]

From Obama to Trump to Biden, all have and had great relationship with Modi and laid out the red carpet..Modi also addressed the joint session of US congress...and many more...

Wasnt modi on a no fly list to these countries before he became pm because he was held responsible for the gujurat riots?

 

[gani999]

Mehndis saying nothing new which hasnt been highlighted before

The butcher of gujurat and his cronies have left india on the brink of a civil war and to think indians voted in this horrid far right party

All political parties in India have pandered to religious sentiments and hate speeches and lynchings have happened across religious lines. Both Hindu and Muslim leaders in India have provoked the other side and even worse. Anyone who knows Indian politics would understand that. It has all existed in India for decades.

Indian Hindus and Muslims, despite all their differences and political issues have lived together and will continue to do so. They'll fight with each other one day, and make up the next, no matter which political formation is in power.

And civil war, please!. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan with its 98% muslim population is more likely to have a civil war before India does, with muslim sunnis butchering muslim shias, and muslim Balochis butchering other muslim Pakistanis.... you get the drift.

 

[Zaz]

All political parties in India have pandered to religious sentiments and hate speeches and lynchings have happened across religious lines. Both Hindu and Muslim leaders in India have provoked the other side and even worse. Anyone who knows Indian politics would understand that. It has all existed in India for decades.

Indian Hindus and Muslims, despite all their differences and political issues have lived together and will continue to do so. They'll fight with each other one day, and make up the next, no matter which political formation is in power

No not like this There hasnt been such open hate spewed from the very top in india

If its happened before theres been incitement from the lower levels not from the CM of the biggest state in india or from the PM of india who continues to look the other way whilst not condoning daily atrocities against minorities

Like mehndi says His silence speaks volumes on the matter

 

[Markhor]

Mehdi Hasan is a joke. A self-appointed political expert who thinks he is the smartest person in the room and can intimidate his guests with his fancy British accent.

Whenever his guests answer him back and put him under pressure, he turns into a kitten and throws his toys out of the pram.

He was put in his place by an Israeli foreign minister when he asked him about Israel’s nuclear program and started whining.

He makes a lot of noise but there is no substance to his arguments and he plays to the galleries to appease his fan-following.

When Mehdi (who's of Indian heritage) grills Pakistani guests like Asad Durrani or Hina Rabbani Khar, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

But if he grills a BJP/Israeli spokesman, it seems he's slated by the same people.

 

[Jadz]

There is an anti-India - specifically, anti-Narendra Modi - agenda in the West because India continues to purchase Russian oil and refuses to join the Western anti-Russia crusade.

The following Youtube piece by Amit Sengupta is a pretty good over-view of Western narratives and anti-India propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps6HuQRWcWY

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think there would be a genocide but the extremist Hindus arent exactly the type who are great combatants. Skinny legs, khaki shorts and sticks wont really work.

Its mainly the women, elderly and kids who need to be careful of these cowards. But in the end, its upto Indian Muslims to fight back.

 

[topspin]

Mehdi Hasan is a joke. A self-appointed political expert who thinks he is the smartest person in the room and can intimidate his guests with his fancy British accent.

Whenever his guests answer him back and put him under pressure, he turns into a kitten and throws his toys out of the pram.

He was put in his place by an Israeli foreign minister when he asked him about Israel’s nuclear program and started whining.

He makes a lot of noise but there is no substance to his arguments and he plays to the galleries to appease his fan-following.

He did go to Oxford University and study PPE. What do you have to counter his credentials other than hot air?

 

[topspin]

When Mehdi (who's of Indian heritage) grills Pakistani guests like Asad Durrani or Hina Rabbani Khar, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

But if he grills a BJP/Israeli spokesman, it seems he's slated by the same people.

Markhor yet again proving why he's the best poster on PP.

Good job exposing Mamoon's hot air.

 

[Mamoon]

When Mehdi (who's of Indian heritage) grills Pakistani guests like Asad Durrani or Hina Rabbani Khar, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

But if he grills a BJP/Israeli spokesman, it seems he's slated by the same people.

Markhor yet again proving why he's the best poster on PP.

Good job exposing Mamoon's hot air.

Not sure who called him the best thing since sliced bread, though a sliced bread has more charisma and allure than this guy.

Hina Rabbani got the better off him and Shashi Taroor ended his career with the following statement.

“The stories are far more complex than your questioning implies”

Mehdi has developed a fan following because he tends to ask the type of questions that you would expect a common person to ask, but his knowledge and understanding of global political issues are elementary - he doesn’t understand the complexities and he views everything in black and white.

He is naive and idealistic, and he may have gone to Oxford for PPE but it got wasted on him because there is no depth to his arguments and debates.

 

[sweep_shot]

Modern day India doesn't seem like a great place for a Muslim to live in.

Too much anti-Muslim rhetoric.

 

[daytrader]

Not sure who called him the best thing since sliced bread, though a sliced bread has more charisma and allure than this guy.

Hina Rabbani got the better off him and Shashi Taroor ended his career with the following statement.

“The stories are far more complex than your questioning implies”

Mehdi has developed a fan following because he tends to ask the type of questions that you would expect a common person to ask, but his knowledge and understanding of global political issues are elementary - he doesn’t understand the complexities and he views everything in black and white.

He is naive and idealistic, and he may have gone to Oxford for PPE but it got wasted on him because there is no depth to his arguments and debates.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Not a fan of Mehdi but this is exactly what connects him with the people. He doesn't need to be an expert on a topic to distinguish right from wrong. T

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Modern day India doesn't seem like a great place for a Muslim to live in.

Too much anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Tell me in which country Muslims living peacefully without any issues?

 

[Zaz]

Tell me in which country Muslims living peacefully without any issues?

How about You tell us where they arent

Theres bigotry and xenophobia everywhere but seems to be more in india these days

 

[KingKhanWC]

Tell me in which country Muslims living peacefully without any issues?

Thread is about Hindu extremists.

There is only one large country with a Hindu majority population. It happens to be the only big Hindu nation has elected a Hindu extremist and a extremist party. I can go into details if you are unware?

 

[sweep_shot]

Tell me in which country Muslims living peacefully without any issues?

People are jealous of Islam's success perhaps.

There is no religion on Earth that converts as many people as Islam does. It is the fastest growing religion in the world.

Every country has issues. However, India seems to have this issue more than other countries in that particular region.

 

[KingKhanWC]

People are jealous of Islam's success perhaps.

There is no religion on Earth that converts as many people as Islam does. It is the fastest growing religion in the world.

Every country has issues. However, India seems to have this issue more than other countries in that particular region.

The problem for the extremists in India is, they are upset regarding their history. They need to accept Muslims ruled over them for around 1000 years but also imporved the land, making it the richest nation on Earth. Its too late, the Hindu extremists are only harming their own land now.

 

[Ashmal]

Its his opinion that muslims will face a genocide.

Problem is that muslims have been politically privileged by parties to get their votes. Kept above the law and pandered to.

Now since talk is raging around equal laws for them too, some of them are feeling discomforted.

When you are privileged, equal treatment feels like oppression.

What a load of rubbish....

Can you prove how Muslims have been kept above law and given special treatment...cite any examples

And you are calling Muslims privileged....I guess you haven't read your own govt committee's reports(Sachar Committee) which state that Indian Muslims are amongst the most backward groups in India both economically and socially

Bulldozing Muslim homes without any notice while not even arresting Hindutva rioters....yeah great attempt at 'equal treatment'

 

[Mamoon]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Not a fan of Mehdi but this is exactly what connects him with the people. He doesn't need to be an expert on a topic to distinguish right from wrong. T

Politics is not about right or wrong, or good vs evil. He is too much of a child to understand this.

 

[Mamoon]

The problem for the extremists in India is, they are upset regarding their history. They need to accept Muslims ruled over them for around 1000 years but also imporved the land, making it the richest nation on Earth. Its too late, the Hindu extremists are only harming their own land now.

The Muslims (Mughals) also folded like a pack of cards against the British and failed to resist them because they had wrong priorities.

They were obsessed with food, architecture and luxuries and didn’t focus on education and growing their empire.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It isn't his opinion it an organisation called genocide watch who are saying this!

And thats an NGO. There are dime a dozen NGOs who vomit opinion as per their ideology or payment.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm not here to educate you on how British media reports on India. You'd have to read western news articles or watch their documentaries to know about it. I'm sure there have been plenty posted here in the last few years, but can post plenty more if you are still in any doubt.

I am not concerned about how British media reports. India doesn't work as per the opinion of British media.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lynchings, politicians calling for genocide, hate speech, is all equal treatment? Ive heard it all now

Attacking hindus and their religious processions. Trying to hoist their religion on public institutions. Wanting separate and special privileges. Threatening violence.

 

[Itachi]

Thread is about Hindu extremists.

There is only one large country with a Hindu majority population. It happens to be the only big Hindu nation has elected a Hindu extremist and a extremist party. I can go into details if you are unware?

Thread is about plight of Muslims. Far right doesn't imply Hinduism. It can occur in any religion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mehndis saying nothing new which hasnt been highlighted before

The butcher of gujurat and his cronies have left india on the brink of a civil war and to think indians voted in this horrid far right party

The more the likes of mehedis and you hate Modi, the more people will vote for him. Thank the gods that we have a nationalist PM.

Btw, treating a 17 per cent minority as the rest of 83 per cent is not civil war. Muslim elite leadership must realise that their voting veto is gone.

 

[Itachi]

How about You tell us where they arent

Theres bigotry and xenophobia everywhere but seems to be more in india these days

Well, atleast in India, the constitution doesn't make a discrimination unlike some other Muslim majority country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What a load of rubbish....

Can you prove how Muslims have been kept above law and given special treatment...cite any examples

And you are calling Muslims privileged....I guess you haven't read your own govt committee's reports(Sachar Committee) which state that Indian Muslims are amongst the most backward groups in India both economically and socially

Bulldozing Muslim homes without any notice while not even arresting Hindutva rioters....yeah great attempt at 'equal treatment'

1. Till Modi came, Muslims were paid for by the govt to do hajj.

2. A muslim can open a educational institution and keep it as muslims only, he doesn't have to follow any RTE or other norms. A hindu cannot do so.

3. Muslim laws of marriage, divorce, inheritance are not under the constitution but as per muslim sharia law. Hindus have to obey the constitutional law.

4. Certain state governments pay muslim priests salaries from state treasury.

5. While muslims are free to run their mosques as per their wishes, government routinely seizes control of hindu temples, takes the property and cash and uses it.

6.Despite orders and judgements of the supreme court and high courts saying that use of loudspeakers are prohibited after 10pm till 6 AM, mosques routinely use loudspeakers and government doesn't act.

7.Public institutions like railways, airlines etc only serve halal meat.

8.In many states you will find roads, parks routinely occupied by muslims for namaz. Government does nothing.

9. Political parties pandering to muslim votes are lax towards enforcing laws if crime is committed by muslims. The reason why many people vote BJP.

10. Sec 40 Wakf act, empowers the Wakf to declare any property as Wakf property. The aggrieved person only has the option of approaching a wakf tribunal.

11. Latest: In the state of Maharashtra, no one can play loudspeakers, 15 mins before or after Azaan.Everyoe now has to adjust as per the timings of Azaan.

Digest this. I will bring more.

 

[Clueless]

1. Till Modi came, Muslims were paid for by the govt to do hajj.

2. A muslim can open a educational institution and keep it as muslims only, he doesn't have to follow any RTE or other norms. A hindu cannot do so.

3. Muslim laws of marriage, divorce, inheritance are not under the constitution but as per muslim sharia law. Hindus have to obey the constitutional law.

4. Certain state governments pay muslim priests salaries from state treasury.

5. While muslims are free to run their mosques as per their wishes, government routinely seizes control of hindu temples, takes the property and cash and uses it.

6.Despite orders and judgements of the supreme court and high courts saying that use of loudspeakers are prohibited after 10pm till 6 AM, mosques routinely use loudspeakers and government doesn't act.

7.Public institutions like railways, airlines etc only serve halal meat.

8.In many states you will find roads, parks routinely occupied by muslims for namaz. Government does nothing.

9. Political parties pandering to muslim votes are lax towards enforcing laws if crime is committed by muslims. The reason why many people vote BJP.

10. Sec 40 Wakf act, empowers the Wakf to declare any property as Wakf property. The aggrieved person only has the option of approaching a wakf tribunal.

11. Latest: In the state of Maharashtra, no one can play loudspeakers, 15 mins before or after Azaan.Everyoe now has to adjust as per the timings of Azaan.

Digest this. I will bring more.

those are natural rights bhai. Others have to adjust for freedom of religion. The is no religion but the "one"

 

[Azzurri]

Some of the myths about Muslims being treated fairy are explained nicely in this post. Perhaps some Bakhats need to need it.

Starting of with politics, the 200 million Muslims of India have been kept marginalised. PM Modi's party BJP won a huge majority with 303 Lok Sabha seats in 2019. But there are no Muslim MPs. In 2014, BJP had 282 seats in Lok Sabha; without a single seat for any Muslim.

In Gujarat, where BJP has run the govt since 1998, there has been no Muslim BJP MLA for 22 years. There has been no Muslim representative of any party from Gujarat in the Lok Sabha since 1985. In the entire Hindi belt, there is no Muslim MLA in 2020 belonging to the BJP.

The state of Uttar Pradesh has over 40 million Muslims. BJP has 307 MLAs after the state elections of 2017 but there's not a single Muslim. The 40 million Muslims in Uttar Pradesh remain the largest unrepresented group in the democratic world.

There's not a single Muslim chief minister of a state, outside Kashmir, who has completed his full term since independence. As of now, there's no Muslim minister in 15 out of 28 Indian states. In the cabinets of ten of remaining 13 states, there's only one Muslim minister.

India’s Scheduled Castes are 16% of population but they are given 84 reserved seats in Lok Sabha. The Scheduled Tribes, which are 8% of the population, get 47 reserved seats. India has acknowledged it's discrimination against Dalits and and Adivasis but Muslims remain the most under-represented community in Parliament. There were 27 Muslims elected in 2019. By their share of population Muslims should have 74 seats. But they've never got more than 49 (in 1980). Their average is 28 seats, about one third of representation they should have.
The Sachal Commission Report revealed astonishing details of the discrimination against Indian Muslims at institutional level in 2006 by scrutinizing the data on employment of Muslims in govt. Muslims were only 4.9% of total 88 lakh state and central govt employees.

The Railways had 4.5% Muslims but 98.7% of the Muslims employed were at lower levels, with only 1.3% as Group A or Group B officers.
2. In the Indian Police Service and the Indian Foreign Service, Muslim representation was 3.2%.
3. In the judiciary, Muslims were 7.8% compared to 23% OBCs, and 20% SC/STs.
4. Among the faculty members of universities, Muslims were 3.7%
5. The share of Muslim employment in state banks and the Reserve Bank of India was 2.2%
6. In the central public sector units, Muslims were 3.3% 7. In 1999, the former defence minister Mulayam Singh Yadav said that of the over 1 million people in the Indian military, Muslims were only 1%. The roots of discrimination were laid by the first Army Chief Gen K.M. Cariappa. In an offensive titled diatribe published the Organiser which was the mouthpiece of RSS, Cariappa bluntly declared:
"Muslim loyalty seems to be primarily to Pakistan. This is a crime unpardonable.."

8. In the security agencies, India’s Muslims face open discrimination. They are assumed to be treasonous by birth.
The Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) does not recruit Muslims by way of unwritten policy. Outlook magazine reported on this in its 13 November 2006 issue. From 1969 till today—RAW’s current staff strength is about 10,000— it has avoided recruiting any Muslim officer.
As of 2020, in the entire intelligence community of RAW, IB, National Technical Research Organisation and Military Intelligence, India has just one Muslim officer out of 200 million Muslims.
The India Justice Report 2019 released by the Tata Trusts said that from 1999–2013, Muslim representation in the Indian police has remained between 3% and 4% outside Kashmir. The postal department had 2.7 lakh employees of whom 5% were Muslim, mostly in Group D.

Reference:

1. Our Hindu Rashtra by Aakar Patel
2. Khaki and the ethnic violence by Omar Khalidi
3. The Sachar Committee Report

@tequieremos

 

[Clueless]

Some of the myths about Muslims being treated fairy are explained nicely in this post. Perhaps some Bakhats need to need it.

Starting of with politics, the 200 million Muslims of India have been kept marginalised. PM Modi's party BJP won a huge majority with 303 Lok Sabha seats in 2019. But there are no Muslim MPs. In 2014, BJP had 282 seats in Lok Sabha; without a single seat for any Muslim.

In Gujarat, where BJP has run the govt since 1998, there has been no Muslim BJP MLA for 22 years. There has been no Muslim representative of any party from Gujarat in the Lok Sabha since 1985. In the entire Hindi belt, there is no Muslim MLA in 2020 belonging to the BJP.

The state of Uttar Pradesh has over 40 million Muslims. BJP has 307 MLAs after the state elections of 2017 but there's not a single Muslim. The 40 million Muslims in Uttar Pradesh remain the largest unrepresented group in the democratic world.

There's not a single Muslim chief minister of a state, outside Kashmir, who has completed his full term since independence. As of now, there's no Muslim minister in 15 out of 28 Indian states. In the cabinets of ten of remaining 13 states, there's only one Muslim minister.

India’s Scheduled Castes are 16% of population but they are given 84 reserved seats in Lok Sabha. The Scheduled Tribes, which are 8% of the population, get 47 reserved seats. India has acknowledged it's discrimination against Dalits and and Adivasis but Muslims remain the most under-represented community in Parliament. There were 27 Muslims elected in 2019. By their share of population Muslims should have 74 seats. But they've never got more than 49 (in 1980). Their average is 28 seats, about one third of representation they should have.
The Sachal Commission Report revealed astonishing details of the discrimination against Indian Muslims at institutional level in 2006 by scrutinizing the data on employment of Muslims in govt. Muslims were only 4.9% of total 88 lakh state and central govt employees.

The Railways had 4.5% Muslims but 98.7% of the Muslims employed were at lower levels, with only 1.3% as Group A or Group B officers.
2. In the Indian Police Service and the Indian Foreign Service, Muslim representation was 3.2%.
3. In the judiciary, Muslims were 7.8% compared to 23% OBCs, and 20% SC/STs.
4. Among the faculty members of universities, Muslims were 3.7%
5. The share of Muslim employment in state banks and the Reserve Bank of India was 2.2%
6. In the central public sector units, Muslims were 3.3% 7. In 1999, the former defence minister Mulayam Singh Yadav said that of the over 1 million people in the Indian military, Muslims were only 1%. The roots of discrimination were laid by the first Army Chief Gen K.M. Cariappa. In an offensive titled diatribe published the Organiser which was the mouthpiece of RSS, Cariappa bluntly declared:
"Muslim loyalty seems to be primarily to Pakistan. This is a crime unpardonable.."

8. In the security agencies, India’s Muslims face open discrimination. They are assumed to be treasonous by birth.
The Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) does not recruit Muslims by way of unwritten policy. Outlook magazine reported on this in its 13 November 2006 issue. From 1969 till today—RAW’s current staff strength is about 10,000— it has avoided recruiting any Muslim officer.
As of 2020, in the entire intelligence community of RAW, IB, National Technical Research Organisation and Military Intelligence, India has just one Muslim officer out of 200 million Muslims.
The India Justice Report 2019 released by the Tata Trusts said that from 1999–2013, Muslim representation in the Indian police has remained between 3% and 4% outside Kashmir. The postal department had 2.7 lakh employees of whom 5% were Muslim, mostly in Group D.

Reference:

1. Our Hindu Rashtra by Aakar Patel
2. Khaki and the ethnic violence by Omar Khalidi
3. The Sachar Committee Report

@tequieremos

How's the situation and representation of minorities in Pakistan? or gradual silent decline in population to extinction?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Some of the myths about Muslims being treated fairy are explained nicely in this post. Perhaps some Bakhats need to need it.

Starting of with politics, the 200 million Muslims of India have been kept marginalised. PM Modi's party BJP won a huge majority with 303 Lok Sabha seats in 2019. But there are no Muslim MPs. In 2014, BJP had 282 seats in Lok Sabha; without a single seat for any Muslim.

In Gujarat, where BJP has run the govt since 1998, there has been no Muslim BJP MLA for 22 years. There has been no Muslim representative of any party from Gujarat in the Lok Sabha since 1985. In the entire Hindi belt, there is no Muslim MLA in 2020 belonging to the BJP.

The state of Uttar Pradesh has over 40 million Muslims. BJP has 307 MLAs after the state elections of 2017 but there's not a single Muslim. The 40 million Muslims in Uttar Pradesh remain the largest unrepresented group in the democratic world.

There's not a single Muslim chief minister of a state, outside Kashmir, who has completed his full term since independence. As of now, there's no Muslim minister in 15 out of 28 Indian states. In the cabinets of ten of remaining 13 states, there's only one Muslim minister.

India’s Scheduled Castes are 16% of population but they are given 84 reserved seats in Lok Sabha. The Scheduled Tribes, which are 8% of the population, get 47 reserved seats. India has acknowledged it's discrimination against Dalits and and Adivasis but Muslims remain the most under-represented community in Parliament. There were 27 Muslims elected in 2019. By their share of population Muslims should have 74 seats. But they've never got more than 49 (in 1980). Their average is 28 seats, about one third of representation they should have.
The Sachal Commission Report revealed astonishing details of the discrimination against Indian Muslims at institutional level in 2006 by scrutinizing the data on employment of Muslims in govt. Muslims were only 4.9% of total 88 lakh state and central govt employees.

The Railways had 4.5% Muslims but 98.7% of the Muslims employed were at lower levels, with only 1.3% as Group A or Group B officers.
2. In the Indian Police Service and the Indian Foreign Service, Muslim representation was 3.2%.
3. In the judiciary, Muslims were 7.8% compared to 23% OBCs, and 20% SC/STs.
4. Among the faculty members of universities, Muslims were 3.7%
5. The share of Muslim employment in state banks and the Reserve Bank of India was 2.2%
6. In the central public sector units, Muslims were 3.3% 7. In 1999, the former defence minister Mulayam Singh Yadav said that of the over 1 million people in the Indian military, Muslims were only 1%. The roots of discrimination were laid by the first Army Chief Gen K.M. Cariappa. In an offensive titled diatribe published the Organiser which was the mouthpiece of RSS, Cariappa bluntly declared:
"Muslim loyalty seems to be primarily to Pakistan. This is a crime unpardonable.."

8. In the security agencies, India’s Muslims face open discrimination. They are assumed to be treasonous by birth.
The Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) does not recruit Muslims by way of unwritten policy. Outlook magazine reported on this in its 13 November 2006 issue. From 1969 till today—RAW’s current staff strength is about 10,000— it has avoided recruiting any Muslim officer.
As of 2020, in the entire intelligence community of RAW, IB, National Technical Research Organisation and Military Intelligence, India has just one Muslim officer out of 200 million Muslims.
The India Justice Report 2019 released by the Tata Trusts said that from 1999–2013, Muslim representation in the Indian police has remained between 3% and 4% outside Kashmir. The postal department had 2.7 lakh employees of whom 5% were Muslim, mostly in Group D.

Reference:

1. Our Hindu Rashtra by Aakar Patel
2. Khaki and the ethnic violence by Omar Khalidi
3. The Sachar Committee Report

@tequieremos

MPs and MLAs are voted by people, if people don't vote a muslim, what can BJP do? Force people to vote for muslims?

Muslims have the right to vote, they have the right to stand in elections. Thats fair and equal treatment.

What Aakar Patel says is his opinion regarding Armed forces RAW etc. He cannot substantiate any of it because the army or RAW conducts no caste or religion based census.

Muslims have reservation under the OBC quota as minorities, like all other minorities be it Sikh Buddhists Jains Parsis or Christians.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am not concerned about how British media reports. India doesn't work as per the opinion of British media.

That's fine, but if you are only interested in hearing your own voice, then stick to Indian forums. This is an international site where we get to hear all sides, not just nationalist propaganda pumped out by bots.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well, atleast in India, the constitution doesn't make a discrimination unlike some other Muslim majority country.

How's the situation and representation of minorities in Pakistan? or gradual silent decline in population to extinction?

Here we go again on the magical mystery tour of Planet Whatabout.

 

[Zaz]

Attacking hindus and their religious processions. Trying to hoist their religion on public institutions. Wanting separate and special privileges. Threatening violence.

Lets say thats true So it justifies Mps and high profile members of the ruling bjp party calling for a genocide of muslims?

Can you take your extremist and far right hat off pls and give a straight answer for once

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Muslims (Mughals) also folded like a pack of cards against the British and failed to resist them because they had wrong priorities.

They were obsessed with food, architecture and luxuries and didn’t focus on education and growing their empire.

A bit too complicated for you esp being Pro-India.

Regardless history cannot be wiped away. Hindu extremists need to accept it and actually be proud of it.

 

[Sidilicious]

I am totally opposed to the Modi govt and the mob culture, restriction of media etc that has become prevalent due to his bhakts.

But I do completely support the abrogation of article 370 and removing the special treatments of Muslimreligious call. Far too long have the Muslim religious leaders have had too much sway. They are the ones keeping the lower class Muslims from progressing and getting educated. The middle class Indian advanced much more in the 90s and the 00s than the Muslim middle class.

That is the only thing Modi is doing right. If the Muslims in the villages are forced to send their kids to normal schools, get them educated the whole of India will advance even faster. Education that is the key.

But Modi comes with a lot of other baggage. And unfortunately we don’t have any other leader. Good forbid something happens to him and Amit Shah or Chota Fanta come to power

 

[Champ_Pal]

The main problem now in India as I read is that Hindu processions passing through Muslim dominated areas and chanting religious slogans. I do not actually live in India, but I do keep abreast of things happening there.

I am not a religious Hindu, but I do believe that Processions should not be passing through Muslim majority areas.

 

[Clueless]

Here we go again on the magical mystery tour of Planet Whatabout.

Cribbing about equal rights in a flawed system, when your own system actually discriminates in writing. Its laughable to say the least.

Nations have flawed implementations atleast the laws aim for equality among all people, Islamic nations simply skip past the concept of human equality altogether.

 

[Clueless]

The main problem now in India as I read is that Hindu processions passing through Muslim dominated areas and chanting religious slogans. I do not actually live in India, but I do keep abreast of things happening there.

I am not a religious Hindu, but I do believe that Processions should not be passing through Muslim majority areas.

This is purely political, all the protests have happened in non -BJP ruled states. RSS/VHP being provocative to polarize vote banks.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You cannot wipe out 200 million people. No power can do that. Mehdi Hasan is a loon.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You cannot wipe out 200 million people. No power can do that. Mehdi Hasan is a loon.

A genocide simply means the killing large numbers of people, targetting a specific group . It doesnt mean wiping every single person.

Muslims are already being targetted but because these Hindu extremists arent renowned for their physical ability, its not easy for them.