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How to manage players like Rishabh Pant and Umar Akmal

Junaids

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The two players are incredibly similar.

Prodigiously talented batsmen capable of turning a game in an hour at the crease, but without the brains or the common sense to avoid throwing away their wicket when their team needs them to stay at the crease. And both capable of keeping wicket with the delicate touch of a blind dinosaur wearing oven gloves.

And, let's be honest, they both cross boundaries with their behaviour, usually more due to ignorance and stupidity than malice. Pant's comical attempt to get away with taping together the fingers of his wicketkeeping gloves this week was just yet another example.

Superficially their Test records are incredibly similar.

Umar Akmal scored 1003 Test runs in 16 Tests at an average of 35.82, He never played a Test after the age of 21 years 2 months, and only 1 of his 30 Test innings was played in Asia.

Rishabh Pant has made 1490 Test runs in 24 Tests, His average of 40.27 is higher, but largely because of a couple of extra not out innings. Interestingly by the age of 21 years 2 months he had only played a handful of Tests, but since then he has been averaging almost 15 LESS than he did in those early Tests. But his record is entirely based on good performances on grassless Australian wickets and against the West Indies. His six innings against New Zealand have been nothing short of disgraceful, repeatedly throwing away his wicket slogging when his team needed him to dig in.

In the World Test Championship Final, Pant was India's last hope to make a defendable total. He was 41 not out at 156-6, with his team 124 runs ahead and ten overs left against the old ball, and with drinks about to be taken. He only needed to stay at the crease for 12 more overs until Tea and the game would be saved, and India would be the joint World Test Champions, as New Zealand would by then have required an impossible 175 runs in a single session to win.

As we all know, Pant then utilised every brain cell in his body to play a massive slog against Trent Boult and was caught with 4 balls left before the Drinks break.

I find it extraordinary that the Indian posters on this board do not exhibit the anger and frustration towards Pant that most of the Pakistan supporters do towards Umar Akmal.

Watching both players can be incredibly exciting, but it can also be like watching a cricket-based remake of "Dumb and Dumber". Actually, that's probably the wrong Hollywood comparison. It's more like watching the Will Ferrell / John C Reilly comedy "Stepbrothers".

I have made clear before how I would have managed Umar Akmal a decade ago. My advice - and you know my professional background - would be for the captain to encourage him, be loyal to him, never drop him, but when he lets his team down in the sort of circumstances in which Pant let India down in the World Cup Final I would encourage the captain to take him behind the pavilion and punch his lights out.

So my solution:

1. Don't humiliate them in public.
2. Don't expect unintelligent people to become smart.
3. Don't expect self-centred people to become responsible.
4. Don't drop them in favour of less gifted people with a better attitude.
5. As a national coach, manage them like an old-fashioned football manager. Put your arm around them. Express an interest in their family. Encourage them. Privately lose your temper at times, but never ever in public. And rely on the captain to play the Roy Kent role, using actual or threatened violence against them if required.
 
Pant won a Test series for India in Australia.

The last time Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Miandad was still playing international cricket.

Umar Akmal had the chance to win the Sydney Test for Pakistan in 2010 and he bottled it.

He does not - and did not - have a fraction of the ability and mentality that Pant has.

Pant is viewed as one of the most dangerous and impactful cricketers in the world.

He is always considered a prize wicket because he has the ability to take the game away from the opposition. He carries a fear-factor.

The Australians were scared of him even though they were playing at home with their best bowling unit.

Tim Paine’s declaration was influenced by Pant’s threat, and he still destroyed them.

On the other hand, Umar’s ability to take the game away from the opposition has always been theoretical - he has never managed to pull it off on the pitch, especially in Test cricket.

Pant is already a better WK batsman in Test cricket than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.
 
Pant won a Test series for India in Australia.

The last time Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Miandad was still playing international cricket.

Umar Akmal had the chance to win the Sydney Test for Pakistan in 2010 and he bottled it.

He does not - and did not - have a fraction of the ability and mentality that Pant has.

Pant is viewed as one of the most dangerous and impactful cricketers in the world.

He is always considered a prize wicket because he has the ability to take the game away from the opposition. He carries a fear-factor.

The Australians were scared of him even though they were playing at home with their best bowling unit.

Tim Paine’s declaration was influenced by Pant’s threat, and he still destroyed them.

On the other hand, Umar’s ability to take the game away from the opposition has always been theoretical - he has never managed to pull it off on the pitch, especially in Test cricket.

Pant is already a better WK batsman in Test cricket than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.

Our current wk batsman, Mohammad Rizwan is better than Pant so no need to go in history books.

You better concentrate on Kohli, the greatest ever, Rahane better than everyone and Pujara for the moment.
 
Pant is scoring a 100 next game.

Wait and see.

#ThankYouJunaids
That’s fine.

If you are happy that an about-to-be 24 years old Rishabh Pant shows the exact same maturity, intelligence and judgment as a 19 year old Umar Akmal, then there is nothing for you to change.

I’m sure that we will both carry on enjoying how he affects matches.
 
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Our current wk batsman, Mohammad Rizwan is better than Pant so no need to go in history books.

You better concentrate on Kohli, the greatest ever, Rahane better than everyone and Pujara for the moment.

Rizwan is an excellent player no one is going to pick him ahead of Pant.

In other words, no team would prefer to face a team with Pant over a team with Rizwan.

Pant has an aura, a psychological threat. His presence at the crease makes the bowlers & the captain nervous and uneasy because of how dangerous he is. He can turn the game on its head.

On the other hand, even if Rizwan stays at the crease for 3 sessions, you can target other players and he will not do much harm.

He is a normal very good WK batsman like BJ Watling etc. Pant on the other hand is like Gilchrist and QdK.
 
Rizwan is an excellent player no one is going to pick him ahead of Pant.

In other words, no team would prefer to face a team with Pant over a team with Rizwan.

Pant has an aura, a psychological threat. His presence at the crease makes the bowlers & the captain nervous and uneasy because of how dangerous he is. He can turn the game on its head.

On the other hand, even if Rizwan stays at the crease for 3 sessions, you can target other players and he will not do much harm.

He is a normal very good WK batsman like BJ Watling etc. Pant on the other hand is like Gilchrist and QdK.

I agree with much of what you write about Pakistan cricket. I'm the first to admit that the Test side is a four man team (Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen and Faheem).

But you are so one-eyed in your determination to belittle everything Pakistani (no offence, but it reminds me of the Israeli expression "a self-hating Jew") that you have failed to notice that in red ball cricket Rizwan has become immensely feared around the world. Pant is feared for what he might do but usually doesn't. Rizwan is feared because of what he usually does do.

It started when Rizwan averaged 44.25 in Australia.

It built up steam when he averaged 40.25 in England.

It became a big, big thing when he averaged 50.50 in New Zealand.

In those 7 Tests his scores were:
37 and 95
0 and 45
9 and 27
72
53
71 and 60
61 and 10

Pant has played Tests in the same countries in the same 2 years. And his averages were:

22.61 in England
15.00 in New Zealand
68.50 in Australia

Pant's actual scores don't bear any comparison with Rizwan's even though they were in the same places against the same bowlers with the same types of ball.

19 and 25
12 and 4
29
36 and 97
23 and 89*
4 and 41
25
37 and 22
2 and 1

Overall during this supposed Pant Golden Period, this is how he stacks up against Rizwan in Australia, England and New Zealand:

Mohammad Rizwan away in Australia, England and New Zealand 2020-2021
Innings: 12 , 0 not outs
Runs: 540
Average 45.00
0 centuries, 6 fifties, 6 dismissals under 50

Rishabh Pant away in Australia, England and New Zealand 2020-2021
Innings: 16 , 2 not outs
Runs: 466
Average 33.28
0 centuries, 2 fifties, 12 dismissals under 50

Put into football terms.

Mohammad Rizwan would be roughly in the $100 million sale range.
Rishabh Pant would be in the $30 million sale range.
 
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I agree with much of what you write about Pakistan cricket. I'm the first to admit that the Test side is a four man team (Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen and Faheem).

But you are so one-eyed in your determination to belittle everything Pakistani (no offence, but it reminds me of the Israeli expression "a self-hating Jew") that you have failed to notice that in red ball cricket Rizwan has become immensely feared around the world. Pant is feared for what he might do but usually doesn't. Rizwan is feared because of what he usually does do.

It started when Rizwan averaged 44.25 in Australia.

It built up steam when he averaged 40.25 in England.

It became a big, big thing when he averaged 50.50 in New Zealand.

In those 7 Tests his scores were:
37 and 95
0 and 45
9 and 27
72
53
71 and 60
61 and 10

Pant has played Tests in the same countries in the same 2 years. And his averages were:

22.61 in England
15.00 in New Zealand
68.50 in Australia

Pant's actual scores don't bear any comparison with Rizwan's even though they were in the same places against the same bowlers with the same types of ball.

19 and 25
12 and 4
29
36 and 97
23 and 89*
4 and 41
25
37 and 22
2 and 1

Overall during this supposed Pant Golden Period, this is how he stacks up against Rizwan in Australia, England and New Zealand:

Mohammad Rizwan away in Australia, England and New Zealand 2020-2021
Innings: 12 , 0 not outs
Runs: 540
Average 45.00
0 centuries, 6 fifties, 6 dismissals under 50

Rishabh Pant away in Australia, England and New Zealand 2020-2021
Innings: 16 , 2 not outs
Runs: 466
Average 33.28
0 centuries, 2 fifties, 12 dismissals under 50

Put into football terms.

Mohammad Rizwan would be roughly in the $100 million sale range.
Rishabh Pant would be in the $30 million sale range.

The funny thing is that all of Rizwan's innings did nothing to help us win. All of those test matches played were either a loss or draw for us

The two fifties Pant scored assured a draw for India in Sydney and a win in Gabba (breaking a 32 year old record)

Say what you want to say but I'd take those two fifties over Rizwan's superior record if that means a series win in Australia rather than losing every single game we play in SENA
 
I got a lot of hate and abuse from my fellow indian fans when I said the exact same thing approx. two years ago. And I did it on the basis of his wicket throwing ability just like Umar Akmal. I also specifically mentioned that I am only comparing him with on field Umar Akmal because off the field only Umar Akmal can do the stuff he does these days. Those who have watched enough cricket in their lives would understand that players like Pant will play good innings here and there but they will fail mostly and won't live upto expectations. If they still don't know about that then they should follow the test career of KL Rahul as an example. He also play good knocks in between 5-6 average knocks and that is why he averages 35.

I also would like to say that Pant played a good inning in Gabba but there too he tried to throw away his wicket when he was batting on 16. Tim Paine missed his stumping and lost the match for his team. Umar used to do the same thing too and may be worse than Pant. :inti
 
Pant is scoring a 100 next game.

Wait and see.

#ThankYouJunaids

Even I am getting the same feeling.

The last time when [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] said Pant is only 60% the batsman Rohail Nazir is, Brisbane happened :misbah

I am expecting a big score from him in Oval, a ground where he scored breathtaking century last time.
 
I am not sure about the comparison with Umar Akmal but if we compare Pant with other attacking Indian batsman in SENA conditions, below are the stats:-

Rishabh Pant, <B>AVG 37</B>
Virender Sehwag, <B>AVG 33</B>
MS Dhoni, <B>AVG 31</B>
P Shaw, <B>AVG 17</B>

Based on these stats and also counting wicket keeping as added skill,

Pant >> Dhoni > Sehwag >> Shaw

This is after not even counting Pant's achievement of winning his team one of the greatest test wins in the history of Indian cricket ever.

:inti
 
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Umer Akmal’s test career was unfairly cut short without a doubt. However, Pant has an advantage as he is a keeper/ batsman which can give him bit more levy incase of non performance. As a keeper you are competing with only 3-4 international/test quality keepers at max in a country but, as a specialist batsman the competition is more extreme.

Yes management of such players who like to play their shots and dominate bowlers is extremely important but, in the end the players need to put up runs as there is no other way in a game dictated by runs and wickets. Rather than being rigid in their approach such players need to work on their application in different situations and if they are not intelligent enough then its good to have mentors and to take guidance from successful players who had similar play styles, practice accordingly to train their brain enough for different situations.
 
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He is comparing them on the basis of their wicket throwing habit.

Umar Akmal has also played as a wicketkeeper batsman for Pakistan in some matches. :inti

I think we both know Pant has a heavy bottom hand technique. His natural arc is to slog over mid wicket. He always tries to drag the ball on the leg side. You are expecting him to be a compact player like Sangakkara and play cover drive, off drive etc which is impossible. Apart from Rahul Dravid most Indian batsman have always found it very difficult to play swing. Our poor record in Eng and NZ is a testimony for that. Pant has an excuse of poor technique, what are the excuses of others like Kohli, Rahane etc ? Even Sachin was a bunny of Anderson in England.
 
Umer Akmal’s test career was unfairly cut short without a doubt. However, Pant has an advantage as he is a keeper/ batsman which can give him bit more levy incase of non performance. As a keeper you are competing with only 3-4 international/test quality keepers at max in a country but, as a specialist batsman the competition is more extreme.
I don't think Umar was dropped from test side because of non performance or there were Kohli's waiting in the wings in Pakistan. He was dropped because of issues with management staff. I still believe he would have done better than Shafiq if he played so many test matches.
 
That’s fine.

If you are happy that an about-to-be 24 years old Rishabh Pant shows the exact same maturity, intelligence and judgment as a 19 year old Umar Akmal, then there is nothing for you to change.

I’m sure that we will both carry on enjoying how he affects matches.
Do you think Gilchrist was also similar to them as far as batting is concerned.
That will clear a lot of doubts

As for your remarks about keeping, did you see how Pant kept wickets on rank turners in India?
He has been brilliant behind the stumps in this series too so all your attempts to compare them based on their wicketkeeping similarities are just made up with nothing to back up.
 
OP seems to suffer from the post-cricket Imran Khan syndrome. The post-cricket IK syndrome is the one where he's forever comparing Pakistani players with Indian equivalents in a hyper-nationalistic way. Inzimam is more talented than Tendulkar for example.

Back to OP:

:)))
So from comparing Rishabh Pant with some young keeper who has still not debuted for Pakistan, he's regressed to that one player who many agree didn't achieve as much as he should have.

There's a small difference though - Pant has already done what Umar Akmal never was even potentially capable of doing. Not because UA didn't have the batting talent, but because he lacked the mental strength.

In short, yet another poor comparison.
 
I don't think Umar was dropped from test side because of non performance or there were Kohli's waiting in the wings in Pakistan. He was dropped because of issues with management staff. I still believe he would have done better than Shafiq if he played so many test matches.

I mentioned that in my first line that Umer Akmal was unfairly dropped from test cricket. Pak drew a series in Zim and Umer only played first test which Pak won and somehow was made scapegoat after that series. Also we cant deny the fact that he was unable to convert his starts as he scored just one 100 in 15 tests.

I think he should have been persisted with but, when he was dropped it was going to be difficult to make a comeback. His lack of form in other formats and his own attitude and lack of focus on fitness didn’t help as well. Add to that the fact that Azhar and Asad started their test careers reasonably well and alongside Misbah and Younis maintained healthy records especially in UAE. Umar should have played more and it was unfair that he didn’t play much at home.
 
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Rishabh Pant has more raw talent than Umar Akmal.

However, I find him to take too many unnecessary risks. Players like Pant, unfortunately, don't have the mental capacity to put a price on their wicket.

I fail to remember which innings, but if Paine tried using his hands instead of his feet to catch the ball, Pant wouldn't have had as much success on that tour to Australia.

The point is that if Rishabh Pant cannot learn how to control his instincts, he will not succeed at the international level and will suffer a downfall similar to those players who started with a bang and were inconsistent.

Play your strokes to the deliveries you can, but also respect the good deliveries, especially in English conditions. Charging down the track to Anderson on your first ball isn't going to scare him as much as your management, because Pant gives the opposition a greater chance when he is playing stupid shots.

People will say that it's his natural game, but it's a chance for oppositions to capitalize.

Pant will have to make the choice whether he wants to go down as an all-time great or a mindless slogger.
 
That is quite obvious SIF.

A revolutionary innings is around the corner.

Also [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you picked the worst time to criticize him, the next test is at the Oval.

So what?

He has played seven pathetic Test innings in England this summer and cost his team the World Test Championship in his highest innings - holing out for 41 in the Final when he only needed to last another hour at the crease.

He could score 200 at The Oval, just like Younis Khan did in 2016 when he spent the summer as a jumpy laughing stock.

He’d still have failed in multiple innings and let his side down.
 
Answer to the OP is Umar Akmal is unmanageable and precisely the reason he is out of the team

Rishabh Pant is manageable but handle him the way Kohli is doing with Pujara and Rahane. Give him a long rope and he will come good. Treat him like Sehwag was treated.
For those of you thinking what I am about, I just don't want to see Wriddhiman Saha take up the gloves and do well in a series only for India to start searching for another wk after 2 years.
 
The thing is, Umar Akmal was making these brainless errors as a kid of 19 and 20 years of age.

Pant is almost 24. He’s at an age when people in countries like his are often already parents!

Does it not worry people that he has such terrible judgment and such awful decision-making ability?
 
The thing is, Umar Akmal was making these brainless errors as a kid of 19 and 20 years of age.

Pant is almost 24. He’s at an age when people in countries like his are often already parents!

Does it not worry people that he has such terrible judgment and such awful decision-making ability?

You have a special gift. You almost made me believe that he is a juvenile offender lol.
 
So what?

He has played seven pathetic Test innings in England this summer and cost his team the World Test Championship in his highest innings - holing out for 41 in the Final when he only needed to last another hour at the crease.

He could score 200 at The Oval, just like Younis Khan did in 2016 when he spent the summer as a jumpy laughing stock.

He’d still have failed in multiple innings and let his side down.

Well if he scores a 100 to win his team the Oval Test and the series, it would mean a lot.

Unfortunately, delightful as the previous WTC final result may sound to you, but India needs to keep winning to play the next WTC final.

Unless off course, you propose, India should be given direct entry based on leading the rankings?
 
So what?

He has played seven pathetic Test innings in England this summer and cost his team the World Test Championship in his highest innings - holing out for 41 in the Final when he only needed to last another hour at the crease.

He could score 200 at The Oval, just like Younis Khan did in 2016 when he spent the summer as a jumpy laughing stock.

He’d still have failed in multiple innings and let his side down.

Oh, so you are comparing him with the great Younis Khan to cite an example?

Plus keeping, I believe Pant would do his job for the series if he produces such knock. We would anyday take a player of Younis Khan calibre even if it is for SENA conditions if we get the additional keeping skills too. Thanks for the comparison!

As bad as Younis was in SENA, he still scored more runs than the Pujara's and Rahane's.
 
Though I agree Pant need to do more as the expectation is high but this comparison with Umar Akmal is ludicrous. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]'s post summed it up beautifully and anyone still arguing is just cluching the straws.

Pant won his team a test series in Australia, in Brisbane where Aussies were undefeated for more than 3 decades.

Umar had the chance to do it in 2010 and failed. So most of it about Umar Akmal is based on his supposed talent where as Pant is a proven performer. So there is no comparison between them.
 
Umar Akmal is already 31 years old, and I heard that anyone that hits the third decade of their life automatically becomes a geriatric. Even if he's not, he's got like what, 1-2 more years before he does become one? Not sure why you insist on Pakistan having all these geriatrics in their team. Besides, Pakistan can just play the youthful Rohail nazir instead, who I heard is leaps and bounds better than Pant anyways
 
So what?

He has played seven pathetic Test innings in England this summer and cost his team the World Test Championship in his highest innings - holing out for 41 in the Final when he only needed to last another hour at the crease.

He could score 200 at The Oval, just like Younis Khan did in 2016 when he spent the summer as a jumpy laughing stock.

He’d still have failed in multiple innings and let his side down.
Thanks for comparing him with a legend like Younis Khan. I will anyday take a Younis Khan who also keeps wickets.
Younis Khan is a better batsman than many of your English and Aussie greats who are hyped to the moon even after averaging 40.
 
The thing is, Umar Akmal was making these brainless errors as a kid of 19 and 20 years of age.

Umar Akmal removed his clothes in front of his coach and asked " where's the fat" he was 30 years old at that time. So his judgement making hasn't improved yet.

I am sure Pant would never do something like that, Umar akmal has attitude problems, Pant is a likeable character.
 
Umar Akmal removed his clothes in front of his coach and asked " where's the fat" he was 30 years old at that time. So his judgement making hasn't improved yet.

I am sure Pant would never do something like that, Umar akmal has attitude problems, Pant is a likeable character.

Not sure what are you trying to achieve by bringing in off the field incidents of Umar Akmal and comparing him with Pant's. No one is doing that in here except you. Pant has never got into any controversy so far in his career so kindly keep this comparison related to cricket only please. :inti
 
Umar Akmal is already 31 years old, and I heard that anyone that hits the third decade of their life automatically becomes a geriatric. Even if he's not, he's got like what, 1-2 more years before he does become one? Not sure why you insist on Pakistan having all these geriatrics in their team. Besides, Pakistan can just play the youthful Rohail nazir instead, who I heard is leaps and bounds better than Pant anyways

What has age got to do with this? When was the last time Umar Akmal played for Pakistan? Umar Akmal has been playing like this since he made his debut. Those who think that players like him get better with age are wrong. They keep making those mistakes and do not learn from them and ulitimately shoot themselves in their foot. Pant is also repeating those mistakes. He keeps throwing his wicket away. Previously he was doing it quite regularly in LOIs but now he is doing it in tests also.

Senior batsman of the team should talk with Pant. Good thing for him is he will find lots of batting legends in India who can help him and he looks like someone who is willing to learn. Umar Akmal on the other hand wasn't like that. :inti
 
Though I agree Pant need to do more as the expectation is high but this comparison with Umar Akmal is ludicrous. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]'s post summed it up beautifully and anyone still arguing is just cluching the straws.

Pant won his team a test series in Australia, in Brisbane where Aussies were undefeated for more than 3 decades.

Umar had the chance to do it in 2010 and failed. So most of it about Umar Akmal is based on his supposed talent where as Pant is a proven performer. So there is no comparison between them.

You are making it sound like he won it for India alone and others didn't do anything. I mean I have seen fans who say things like cricket is a team game whenever their favorite golden boy fails but they still keep saying that their boy won them the series. The correct sentence should be 'Pant helped India win the series in Australia' because there were others also who helped India in that win and they are pretty easily sidelined by fans like you. If you are going to hype a player like that then you should also blame Pant for India losing in the 3rd test against England. :inti
 
Umar akmal is way more talented than this hack pant.

There are so many technical flaws in pant guy's batting.

This pant guy can never succeed in england new Zealand and south africa.

He had one fluke series in Australia.
 
What has age got to do with this? When was the last time Umar Akmal played for Pakistan? Umar Akmal has been playing like this since he made his debut. Those who think that players like him get better with age are wrong. They keep making those mistakes and do not learn from them and ulitimately shoot themselves in their foot. Pant is also repeating those mistakes. He keeps throwing his wicket away. Previously he was doing it quite regularly in LOIs but now he is doing it in tests also.

Senior batsman of the team should talk with Pant. Good thing for him is he will find lots of batting legends in India who can help him and he looks like someone who is willing to learn. Umar Akmal on the other hand wasn't like that. :inti

Well sports players objectively get better with age of course, because humans tend to make better decisions with more experience. How much they get better is of course up to them. I don't believe that Umar Akmal or 'players like him' are innately unable to learn with age either. Umar Akmal and Pant both are players that play with higher risk and therefore 'throw' their wicket away more often. The plus is they tend to score faster, which is especially helpful in LOIs. Teams pick them because it obviously helps them to have players like that in their team(or maybe it's a conspiracy).

Anyways my comment was directed at OP's selective classification of 'geriatrics' whenever it's suitable for them
 
Umar Akmal is already 31 years old, and I heard that anyone that hits the third decade of their life automatically becomes a geriatric. Even if he's not, he's got like what, 1-2 more years before he does become one? Not sure why you insist on Pakistan having all these geriatrics in their team. Besides, Pakistan can just play the youthful Rohail nazir instead, who I heard is leaps and bounds better than Pant anyways

Umar has been unlucky to have Misbah and few others as managers of his career he had the potential in his prime to be a 45-50 averaging batsman in tests and ODIs (flat wickets post 2015) since Pakistan doesn’t have great batting talent currently there should be questions asked as to why Umar Fawad (in tests) and a few others haven’t had their potential fully utilised.
 
You are making it sound like he won it for India alone and others didn't do anything. I mean I have seen fans who say things like cricket is a team game whenever their favorite golden boy fails but they still keep saying that their boy won them the series. The correct sentence should be 'Pant helped India win the series in Australia' because there were others also who helped India in that win and they are pretty easily sidelined by fans like you. If you are going to hype a player like that then you should also blame Pant for India losing in the 3rd test against England. :inti

Cricket is a team sport...so obviously there will be some contribution from other plays as well. What a silly post...lol.

But without Pant, we would have not won in Gabba and the series. Its a fact. Since cricket is a team sport, in that context it is called single handedly winning the game. Clear?

As far as 3rd test against Eng is concerned, Pant was one of the culprits along with other batsmen. But even with his contribution we would have lost the game.

Gabba 2021 - Pant single handedly won the game.

Headingley 2021 - India would have lost even with Pant's contribution.

#Difference
 
Woulda shoulda coulda people are out lol

Anyways, as it seems Pant's test average is dropping bad. He needs to keep that in mind.
 
Cricket is a team sport...so obviously there will be some contribution from other plays as well. What a silly post...lol.

But without Pant, we would have not won in Gabba and the series. Its a fact. Since cricket is a team sport, in that context it is called single handedly winning the game. Clear?

As far as 3rd test against Eng is concerned, Pant was one of the culprits along with other batsmen. But even with his contribution we would have lost the game.

Gabba 2021 - Pant single handedly won the game.

Headingley 2021 - India would have lost even with Pant's contribution.

#Difference

Wrong the top scorer in the second innings was Gill Pant finished of the chase.
The top scorer in first innings was Thakur who also took 4 wickets in the second Australian innings this alone is the biggest contribution to the win.
 
Answer to the OP is Umar Akmal is unmanageable and precisely the reason he is out of the team

Rishabh Pant is manageable but handle him the way Kohli is doing with Pujara and Rahane. Give him a long rope and he will come good. Treat him like Sehwag was treated.
For those of you thinking what I am about, I just don't want to see Wriddhiman Saha take up the gloves and do well in a series only for India to start searching for another wk after 2 years.

Pant is coming under fire because our middle order is horribly out of form collectively. Rahane looks finished, Kohli seems a shadow of past, Pujara somehow manages to grind 50 runs everytime there are calls to drop him for good. India is missing Gill in this series. Pujara, Kohli, Rahane as 3,4,5 respectively. Once you get openers out, India collapses like a deck of cards. Once we have a inform firing middle order, Pant won't be under pressure to perform. Even if he can deliever 50% of what Gilchrist delievered for Aus, he will already become the best Indian wicketkeeper batsman of all time in test cricket.
 
The OP will go missing as soon as Pant strikes form.

Last time he made claims like Indian team will quarantine on a remote island in Australia. The tour was cancelled by him a few times. Etc etc.

Then India won the test series and [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] was gone for months.
 
Oh, so you are comparing him with the great Younis Khan to cite an example?

Plus keeping, I believe Pant would do his job for the series if he produces such knock. We would anyday take a player of Younis Khan calibre even if it is for SENA conditions if we get the additional keeping skills too. Thanks for the comparison!

As bad as Younis was in SENA, he still scored more runs than the Pujara's and Rahane's.

Younis averages 44 in SENA. It not bad at all.
 
Umar Akmal was a different breed altogether and while Pant has just been around a year or two it's hard to just compare them both as Pant as said by some has an advantage of being a keeper batsman rather than just a batsman and India has enough wise people around him to make him value tests and show much better control over his game in that format at least.
 
Younis averages 44 in SENA. It not bad at all.

You have all missed the Younis point.

I think Younis was Pakistan's greatest ever batsman - and I watched Zaheer Abbas and Javed Miandad.

But the 2016 Younis Khan was a shadow of his former self, a guy who failed 6 times in England before succeeding in a single innings, and failed 6 times in 8 innings in Australia and New Zealand too.

Rishabh Pant really shouldn't be a guy with the nickname "Rubbish Pant" at his age. Yet that's what he's called far too often.

He's capable of so much more. This last year is supposed to be the pinnacle of his career so far, yet he has failed 11 times in 14 completed innings, and messed up catastrophically (the World Test Championship cowardly, brainless slog) in a twelfth one of those 14 innings.

He is capable of so much more. I genuinely do think that Virat Kohli needs to punch his face in.
 
Though I agree Pant need to do more as the expectation is high but this comparison with Umar Akmal is ludicrous. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]'s post summed it up beautifully and anyone still arguing is just cluching the straws.

Pant won his team a test series in Australia, in Brisbane where Aussies were undefeated for more than 3 decades.

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Pant's record in Australia is an inferior version of Azhar Mahmood's record in South Africa.

And that is all that Pant is at this stage of his career. A person for whom lightning struck twice, but even at the peak of his career he messed up 12 times in 14 innings.
 
Pant won a Test series for India in Australia.

The last time Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Miandad was still playing international cricket.

Umar Akmal had the chance to win the Sydney Test for Pakistan in 2010 and he bottled it.

He does not - and did not - have a fraction of the ability and mentality that Pant has.

Pant is viewed as one of the most dangerous and impactful cricketers in the world.

He is always considered a prize wicket because he has the ability to take the game away from the opposition. He carries a fear-factor.

The Australians were scared of him even though they were playing at home with their best bowling unit.

Tim Paine’s declaration was influenced by Pant’s threat, and he still destroyed them.

On the other hand, Umar’s ability to take the game away from the opposition has always been theoretical - he has never managed to pull it off on the pitch, especially in Test cricket.

Pant is already a better WK batsman in Test cricket than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.
Lol you are sounding like he is the second coming of Bradman.
 
Rishabh Pant has a theoretically inferior record to Umar Akmal since Akmal smashed Bond on a green deck 12 mins ago . Pant is also inferior to Rizwan. You know Pakistan has the best wicket-keeping stocks in the world when a guy like Rohail Nazir who is 125% the player Pant is cant even make it to the national team
 
Pant's game (in its current version) will always struggle in England and New Zealand because of the following reason. It's not that Pant is in a sudden rut of bad form or that he's suddenly playing in a different manner here to how he played in Australia. People think he is just an Afridi like batsman who starts swinging through the gates from ball 1 but he almost always builds his innings in a patient manner and gradually increasing in momentum as he goes on unless he is in a hopeless situation. But even when he played the initial patient game in Australia, his game is built around feeling for or just defending the balls outside off stump at the start of his innings (this is a feature of most Indian batsmen and not just him tbf, they do so to feel the ball on the bat in order to gain confidence).

But here's the thing. In England, you have to respect the ball when it's on top of you and play your game when the ball is doing less. This is the blueprint for most conditions, but particularly pronounced in England because of the fact that the new Duke ball tends to swing for much longer periods than the kookaburra. Sometimes the ball might be around 25 overs old, but the clouds might be hanging low with a sultry atmosphere which would make the ball swing around even at that state. The success of a batsman in English conditions lies in recognising these passages of the game, recognising that the ball will be on top of you for that phase and switching on your defensive mode - and that means leaving balls outside the off stump, playing straight and avoid playing shots away from the body or across the line. Pant, at the moment, plays his normal game, which is to feel for balls outside the off stump initially but he gets out nicking. He feels that he is doing the same thing he did in Australia but it isn't working and therefore he is unsure of his game and sometimes starts attacking from ball one - you do that only when you're unsure of your defensive game and Pant does so because he feels his defensive or "patient" game isn't working. The fact that he's either too early at the crease because the middle order contributes nothing or he's exposed to the second new Dukes ball like he was in the last test doesn't help. This didn't happen in Australia because the middle order provided a platform in most of the games for Pant to launch his attacks from.

I wouldn't blame him because he is just 23 and Kohli at the peak of his game, couldn't work it out in 2014. He had to keep his ego down and play the ultra patient game in 2018 which is why he was so successful then. Kohli seems to have taken his 2018 success for granted and has reverted to feeling for balls outside the off stump like he did in 2014. When experienced batsmen like Pujara, Kohli and Rahane are struggling to work out their defensive game in English conditions, it's not really a surprise Pant at 23 years age is unsure of his game too in England. The only batsmen who seem to have worked out this blueprint seem to be Rohit and Rahul (his first innings dismissal in the 3rd test notwithstanding). Rahul has largely got out to very good deliveries rather than chasing the ones outside off stump like the rest of the batsmen have done and Rohit is pretty much the same as well apart from the moments where he has had a brain fade and played dumb hook shots to deep square leg. Pant doesn't have an issue against pace and bounce and he has a killer pull shot. But his game (in its current version) will always take a hit in England and NZ where there will be excessive lateral movement (due to the conditions, Duke ball in case of England or green seaming wickets in the case of NZ). I don't think it's possible to rediscover one's game in the span of a tour and I think he needs to work his game for swinging and seaming conditions with coaches and ex players like Kohli did with Sachin before 2018 tour.
 
Start of the year OP compared Pant to Rohail Nazir and said Pant was half the player he is.

Obviously Pant followed up that comparison by winning india a series in australia
 
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Pant's record in Australia is an inferior version of Azhar Mahmood's record in South Africa.

And that is all that Pant is at this stage of his career. A person for whom lightning struck twice, but even at the peak of his career he messed up 12 times in 14 innings.

Again you are missing the point and simply nitpicking stats. Rishab Pant has similar test avg as Babar Azam. So if we go the stats route a so called hack like Pant is as good as one of the best batsman Pakistan ever produced?

The fact remains Azhar Mehmood did not win his team the series in South Africa, just like Umar Akmal didnt in Australia. Pant won his team a series and beat them in Gabba where they were undefeated for more than 3 decades. Its a fact...rest all what you saying is just fallacy.
 
How to manage Pant is a fair question and TM will do well to talk to Pant.

How to manage Umar Akmal ...good question. Where is he lol?
Mathematically Umar Akmal is that "x" which everyone is trying to solve in the linear equations. Find X.
 
Pant's record in Australia is an inferior version of Azhar Mahmood's record in South Africa.

And that is all that Pant is at this stage of his career. A person for whom lightning struck twice, but even at the peak of his career he messed up 12 times in 14 innings.

Why are you always comparing Pant with Pakistani players. Why not English or Australian. I thought you were an Englishman in Australia?
 
People need to understand here that Pant's exploit was not just limited to Australia. When England, a relatively stronger team for subcontinent conditions compared to New Zealand, Australia or South Africa came to India, Pant did a magnificent job in the <B>series decider</B> there as well by hitting a terrific hundred.

Forget the series decider, his knock in first test where he took apart Jack Leach created a fear factor in the mind of opposition very similar to what Sehwag used to do at his prime.

On flat wicket, Pant is basically as good as a Rohit Sharma or Virender Sehwag with bat but he also keeps wickets and has shown that he is good enough in that role. Every team must have that one player like him who on certain conditions has the ability to change games in a session or two but if you can get that one player who is also keeping gloves, then for that we use a term in Hindi which is called as "Sone pe Suhaga".

As far as mastering all conditions are concerned, it would be better if our team management manages our specialist batsman first so that they learn to perform consistently in all countries.
 
Cricket is a team sport...so obviously there will be some contribution from other plays as well. What a silly post...lol.

But without Pant, we would have not won in Gabba and the series. Its a fact. Since cricket is a team sport, in that context it is called single handedly winning the game. Clear?

As far as 3rd test against Eng is concerned, Pant was one of the culprits along with other batsmen. But even with his contribution we would have lost the game.

Gabba 2021 - Pant single handedly won the game.

Headingley 2021 - India would have lost even with Pant's contribution.

#Difference

Make up your mind first before calling my post silly. There is a difference between 'Pant helped India win Gabba test' and 'Pant won it single handedly'. Learn that first and then come back. :inti
 
Not sure what are you trying to achieve by bringing in off the field incidents of Umar Akmal and comparing him with Pant's. No one is doing that in here except you. Pant has never got into any controversy so far in his career so kindly keep this comparison related to cricket only please. :inti

Read the title of the thread again.
It says "how to manage players like Pant and Akmal" that includes on field and off field incidents.
Let the mods handle what is off topic and what's not, no need to get triggered.
 
Make up your mind first before calling my post silly. There is a difference between 'Pant helped India win Gabba test' and 'Pant won it single handedly'. Learn that first and then come back. :inti

Your prejudice for Pant is known to all...so there is nothing to come back. The humiliation of the Australia tour still haunting you and we can see it from distance.

As I explained above, in cricketing terms it is called winning the game single handedly. Since cricket is a team sport, there will obviously be some contribution from other players. But without Pant we would not have won the Gabba & the series. So yes, Pant won it single handedly.
 
Our current wk batsman, Mohammad Rizwan is better than Pant so no need to go in history books.

You better concentrate on Kohli, the greatest ever, Rahane better than everyone and Pujara for the moment.

Its Pakistan cricket mate; Rizzi got the best backing from Misbah+Waqar; plus he played second string bowling most of the time while opening in either placid or slow tracks

Pant has already proved himself to be next big thing; just a matter of time when he becomes consistent
 
Make up your mind first before calling my post silly. There is a difference between 'Pant helped India win Gabba test' and 'Pant won it single handedly'. Learn that first and then come back. :inti

Granted that you are being semantically and politically correct but its a nothing discussion.
No one said he won it single handedly.
 
It is a fact that Pant was the man who changed the complexion of the Australia series and won it for his team as standout performer. Nitpicking it will not change the reality.

A 97 and 89* back-to-back can be played by anyone.

But doing it in Australia is not something which everyone can do but still many players can.

However, doing it in Australia with series on line is something which very few can do.

And most importantly, doing it in Australia with series on line while chasing almost 150 runs in final session with wickets tumbling from other end( Pujara, Mayank, Sundar, Thakur) and you are up against a truly great fast bowler like Pat Cummins is a stuff which even the elitest of the batsman wish to do.
 
What a joke it is

First UA better than Sachin threads
UA better than Yuvraj threads
UA better than Kohli threads


Now UA better than Pat threads

--
We are delusional and most idiotic fans
Supporting someone who repeatedly failed, no promise of showing even 1% improvement

I think even the UA will be 50 years old; there will be some thread
IS UA more talented than XYZ Sharma
 
It is a fact that Pant was the man who changed the complexion of the Australia series and won it for his team as standout performer. Nitpicking it will not change the reality.

A 97 and 89* back-to-back can be played by anyone.

But doing it in Australia is not something which everyone can do but still many players can.

However, doing it in Australia with series on line is something which very few can do.

And most importantly, doing it in Australia with series on line while chasing almost 150 runs in final session with wickets tumbling from other end( Pujara, Mayank, Sundar, Thakur) and you are up against a truly great fast bowler like Pat Cummins is a stuff which even the elitest of the batsman wish to do.

Adding to it,

This is the true definition of an ATG knock. It is a better knock than any knock played by an Indian test batsman since 2001, Eden Gardens. I seriously can't think of any knock by an Indian batsman post Kolkata test which is better than this one.
 
Umar Akmal a prodigy? :)))

Hes 31 years old for gods sake. How can he be a prodigy?

Umar Akmal is done. The guy failed to become a proper batsmen. During the 2009-2015 era, he should had stepped up and perform, but he always threw away his wicket. He has become a joke in the cricketing circle as often ex players like Saeed Ajmal joke about him and talk about him in a sarcastic way
 
The thing is, Umar Akmal was making these brainless errors as a kid of 19 and 20 years of age.

Pant is almost 24. He’s at an age when people in countries like his are often already parents!

Does it not worry people that he has such terrible judgment and such awful decision-making ability?

Umar Akmals cricekting age is 31 currently.

Which means

2020=30
2019=29
2018=28
2017=27
2016=26
2015=25
2014=24
2013=23
2012=22
2011=21

THis is cricketing age, in actual he might be 2-3 years older.
 
I'll post but doubt you'd ever respond cause you duck people whenever rational is used.

Umar Akmal is an example of someone that talent is not just necessary but also a brain something Akmal never possessed. Always be humble and find ways to improve yourself, i remember his dismissal against India in the Asia Cup 2014 game, in which he played a fantastic 4(16).

He's lost us more games than he has won and would never advocate for him in any format.

The thing what you need to focus on [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is not just focussing on scores but series by series averages as well as looking at the runs that matter i.e. when a side is in trouble and how a player turns it around for his team.

Pant is miles ahead of Akmal in terms of sense and talent.
 
What a joke it is

First UA better than Sachin threads
UA better than Yuvraj threads
UA better than Kohli threads


Now UA better than Pat threads

--
We are delusional and most idiotic fans
Supporting someone who repeatedly failed, no promise of showing even 1% improvement

I think even the UA will be 50 years old; there will be some thread
IS UA more talented than XYZ Sharma

Agreed Umar Akmal was a guy who constantly bottled it.
 
Your prejudice for Pant is known to all...so there is nothing to come back. The humiliation of the Australia tour still haunting you and we can see it from distance.

As I explained above, in cricketing terms it is called winning the game single handedly. Since cricket is a team sport, there will obviously be some contribution from other players. But without Pant we would not have won the Gabba & the series. So yes, Pant won it single handedly.

Humiliation of Australia? What is happening in England then? Going by your logic isn't that a humiliation for you? Also how many times are you going to repeat the same line due to lack of proper argument here? Lol Pant will humiliate you 8 out of 10 times if that's how you think about these things.

Regarding Gabba chase, may be you have totally forgotten Gill's contribution in that chase? Without his inning Pant wouldn't have helped India win that match. It's similar to Sehwag's inning in Chennai test against England in 2008 where India chased 387. :inti
 
Granted that you are being semantically and politically correct but its a nothing discussion.
No one said he won it single handedly.

[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] said it above. Please read the whole discussion. :inti
 
It is a fact that Pant was the man who changed the complexion of the Australia series and won it for his team as standout performer. Nitpicking it will not change the reality.

A 97 and 89* back-to-back can be played by anyone.

But doing it in Australia is not something which everyone can do but still many players can.

However, doing it in Australia with series on line is something which very few can do.

And most importantly, doing it in Australia with series on line while chasing almost 150 runs in final session with wickets tumbling from other end( Pujara, Mayank, Sundar, Thakur) and you are up against a truly great fast bowler like Pat Cummins is a stuff which even the elitest of the batsman wish to do.

So why is he finding it hard in England these days? How are you going to defend his shot selection in the England series so far? He played two good knocks in Australia so he has got the license to play dumb cricket in England it seems? Giving a charge to Anderson in the first 2-3 balls he faced is smart cricket and cannot be criticised here because then fans like you will bring Gabba test into discussion where Paine also gave him an extra life.

There are two tests still left in this test, I hope Pant comes out of his Gabba mindset and realise that he is in England and should make necessary adjustments to improve his below average record in England so far. His fans are his biggest enemies. They will never accept that he played a poor shot. :inti
 
Read the title of the thread again.
It says "how to manage players like Pant and Akmal" that includes on field and off field incidents.
Let the mods handle what is off topic and what's not, no need to get triggered.

The problem with guys like you is that you only read the thread title and start typing your response. At least read the OP first before replying. It is focussed more towards their wicket throwing habit and not understanding the situation. It is the stuff you definitely don't want to discuss hence trying to bring off field stuff. :inti
 
The problem with guys like you is that you only read the thread title and start typing your response. At least read the OP first before replying. It is focussed more towards their wicket throwing habit and not understanding the situation. It is the stuff you definitely don't want to discuss hence trying to bring off field stuff. :inti

My take is simply this he was a player that has talent but with the talent he possesses he does not have a brain, which i think part in parcel plays a role in you being a quality batsman.

I think anyone could compile a top 100 list of Umar Akmal fails but Pant is someone who in my view is talented and someone who at least keeps his cool in a pressure situation such as in the Australia series.
 
[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] said it above. Please read the whole discussion. :inti

yes, I do read anyway for other purposes and I remember who said what.
I was trying to point out about words taken out of context.

That said, I too believe that Pant would be benched if he continues the way he is batting.
 
So why is he finding it hard in England these days? How are you going to defend his shot selection in the England series so far? He played two good knocks in Australia so he has got the license to play dumb cricket in England it seems? Giving a charge to Anderson in the first 2-3 balls he faced is smart cricket and cannot be criticised here because then fans like you will bring Gabba test into discussion where Paine also gave him an extra life.

There are two tests still left in this test, I hope Pant comes out of his Gabba mindset and realise that he is in England and should make necessary adjustments to improve his below average record in England so far. His fans are his biggest enemies. They will never accept that he played a poor shot. :inti

Like other Indian batsman, he plays spin, pace and bounce very well and he has shown it between 2018 to 2021, first quarter. He struggles vs swing and seam only. That is why he is failing in England and New Zealand. It doesn't take too much to understand this basic stuff.

However, as I have repeated it 100 times already, he is a keeper batsman and he has to focus on his keeping also. He has made a great improvement in his keeping skills in last 6 months. Fielding and keeping are not same thing. I am assuming that I do not need to write 10 lines to explain this.

I understand expectations are high but it should still be set like humans, and not like wild animals. 6 months ago, people on here were crying for his wicket keeping skills but now they have got silenced for good reasons.

In batting also, same will happen. He just had two phenomenal series with bat vs two top opponents, one was a dream stuff for a 23 year old. Now, one bad series(a series that is still not completed) and the crybabes have started whining here. It tells me more about the desperation of his haters instead of Pant himself.
 
Like other Indian batsman, he plays spin, pace and bounce very well and he has shown it between 2018 to 2021, first quarter. He struggles vs swing and seam only. That is why he is failing in England and New Zealand. It doesn't take too much to understand this basic stuff.

However, as I have repeated it 100 times already, he is a keeper batsman and he has to focus on his keeping also. He has made a great improvement in his keeping skills in last 6 months. Fielding and keeping are not same thing. I am assuming that I do not need to write 10 lines to explain this.

I understand expectations are high but it should still be set like humans, and not like wild animals. 6 months ago, people on here were crying for his wicket keeping skills but now they have got silenced for good reasons.

In batting also, same will happen. He just had two phenomenal series with bat vs two top opponents, one was a dream stuff for a 23 year old. Now, one bad series(a series that is still not completed) and the crybabes have started whining here. It tells me more about the desperation of his haters instead of Pant himself.
May be you are new to cricket and don't know that wicketkeeping is a thankless job and it will only be highlighted if a keeper performs poorly behind the wicket. He isn't the only keeper who is doing a good job now behind the wicket. Obviously if he takes a brilliant catch people will comment on it. Keeping wise he is improving and batting wise he has been average in the last few tests. Everyone knows this series is not finished but we are in the forums and we are here to discuss it match by match. If he scores a hundred in the next game I will congratulate him too just like I did in Australia but blind worshippers like you can't even criticise him for his bad shot selection even once. There is nothing wrong in commenting on a match by match basis rather than waiting for the series to end. :inti
 
<B>May be you are new to cricket and don't know that wicketkeeping is a thankless job</B> and it will only be highlighted if a keeper performs poorly behind the wicket. He isn't the only keeper who is doing a good job now behind the wicket. Obviously if he takes a brilliant catch people will comment on it. Keeping wise he is improving and batting wise he has been average in the last few tests. Everyone knows this series is not finished but we are in the forums and we are here to discuss it match by match. If he scores a hundred in the next game I will congratulate him too just like I did in Australia but blind worshippers like you can't even criticise him for his bad shot selection even once. There is nothing wrong in commenting on a match by match basis rather than waiting for the series to end. :inti

Kindly list down all the great test batsman who did this thankless job by averaging 40+ with bat and helping his team win the series in Australia or any major test nation as standout performer.

Rest of your post are all non-sensical stuffs which doesn't deserve a response.
 
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