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Jofra Archer has dominated Australia batsman so far with his pace and his barrage of short balls.

How will Pakistan, who are known to be poor players of the short ball, combat Archer?

Pakistan may have had the advantage against him in the WC game, but how will they cope with Archer on tough English tracks next year?
 
I worry about this encounter.

The likes of Imam-ul-Haq really need to up their game and work on their game particularly against the short ball if they are to survive against Archer.

It promises to be a testing and potentially fascinating battle.
 
For me i think there are three batsman in Pakistan's team who play pace pretty well: Babar, Haris and Shan.

Shan impressed in the SA series and played the short ball well. I liked his technique. Haris and Babar are known to be the best players of pace in the team.
 
Good question but like many other times I wont be surprised if some unknown or new pacer is made into a star by Pak batsmen just like they did with Dane Olivier and Chris Woakes when weren't that established commodities at test level. Pak actually played main weapons like Anderson, Broad and Rabada, Steyn on their last tours of Eng and SA relatively well but it was the newer guys which created the havoc.

But coming back to the question I think it would will be highly dependent upon Babar Azam and Haris Sohail as you already mentioned. If Imam or Shan Masood can develop into better test batsmen by that time then it would really provide support to Babar and Haris as they wont have to come in and play inside 5-10 overs every other innings.
 
Well hopefully if we get a decent batting coach they will be prepared I don’t get everyone getting so excited about archer yes he is a brilliant pace bowler, but growing up watching cricket in the 90’s every country had one., let see him bowl in India and uae then judge him

This is the reason why I rate tendulkar higher then kohli, due to the bowlers he faced and the pitches he had to bat on.
 
Pakistan and India don't need to worry about Archer.

Their old tormentors Woakes and Moeen are enough to run thru batting order
 
They wont have an answer for him - am afraid.
 
Archer will ruin our feeble batting line up. Our batsmen lack mental strength, technique and courage to take on fast bowling.

Long gone are the days of Wasim Raja and Majid Khan. Pakistani batting is now very weak.
 
If Sharjeel returns with pre-ban form than Sharjeel vs Archer will be fascinating.
 
jofra archer is a non issue. line and length bowlers such as de grandhomme and woakes are far more dangerous. Similarly, line and length bowling orthodox left arm spin bowlers such as ajaz patel are more dangerous than a leg spinner.
 
Greenstorm said:
If Sharjeel returns with pre-ban form than Sharjeel vs Archer will be fascinating.
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To be fair, international batting is at a very low ebb. Apart from the three superstars (four when Root returns to form) things look lean everywhere. T20 is ruining test match batting.
 
Marnus labushane has played him well in general even after copping a brute on the grill, he leaves the bowl well, that's the key against archer
 
I hope Archer will end Imam's career, who's been lucky to be playing at international level.
 
we wil be 2-3 down within 5 overs, especially if we stick with azhar and imam as our opening pair.
 
Just got to hang in there to be honest. Nothing much anyone can do if conditions are favourable to Archer
 
Saj said:
I worry about this encounter.

The likes of Imam-ul-Haq really need to up their game and work on their game particularly against the short ball if they are to survive against Archer.

It promises to be a testing and potentially fascinating battle.
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Judging by how pathetically our batsmen played short ball in South Africa, it will probably be more of the same when we face england.
 
Been watching pak cric team for so long I can confidently say they will play him well and may even smash him but will lose all their wickets to some trundler or debutant.
 
I don't care what you say but England are Pakistan's bunnies. England will lose to pakistan again. Joffra is being overused and he will break down soon. Let's see how long he lasts but he is indeed a phenomenal player. Joffra can be dealt with. babar, shan and imam can play him well. Rest lol I don't know. Hopefully root keeps using joffra and mismanages his workload. Either way pakistan have an even better bowling talent in shaheen afridi. He is going to explode soon in test cricket.

so how will England deal with him???
 
It comes down to pitches they play on. On a pitch like this Pakistan will have issues against both Broad and Archer.
 
Hafeez v Archer in a test match as opening batsman v opening bowler with a new red cherry would be quite a duel, with Archer given instructions to bowl some ‘chin music’ —- always wondered what might happen if Hafeez was up facing ‘chin music’ from Andy Roberts and Michael Holding , this could be the closest to seeing that happen.
 
gotta wear him down..he cant keep charging in..you just leave as much as you can and bore the hell out of him..

Jofra will be even more dangerous when Anderson returns..
 
By the time Pakistan tour next year, Root and their batsmen would have turned him into an 80 mph trundler at this rate. Pakistan have nothing to worry about.
 
tyron_woodley said:
I don't care what you say but England are Pakistan's bunnies. England will lose to pakistan again. Joffra is being overused and he will break down soon. Let's see how long he lasts but he is indeed a phenomenal player. Joffra can be dealt with. babar, shan and imam can play him well. Rest lol I don't know. Hopefully root keeps using joffra and mismanages his workload. Either way pakistan have an even better bowling talent in shaheen afridi. He is going to explode soon in test cricket.

so how will England deal with him???
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Yes spot on, plus there's nothing to write home about this England team, last year against india the score line flattered England, had bumrah been fully fit all series there's no way England would have won
 
Archer is not bowling very fast today.Either he is tired or been told to cut his pace and bowl good line and length.By the time Pakistan tour England he will be found out.Archer is not as quick as Akhtat or Lee and batsmen used to score runs against them.
 
Archer bowling at 80mph now.He only bowled 4 balls in this over and is getting attention from the physio.May be he has cramps.
 
Manunited18 said:
Yes spot on, plus there's nothing to write home about this England team, last year against india the score line flattered England, had bumrah been fully fit all series there's no way England would have won
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bro don't forget fahrem ashraf is playing county now. A few others I don't remember. I think shadab khan is playing county. This is good experience for the boys. Hope they brutally crush England next time they tour.
 
Artaxerxes said:
Archer bowling at 80mph now.He only bowled 4 balls in this over and is getting attention from the physio.May be he has cramps.
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probably tired man. root is an idiot. overweening a young player like that. He is a good player but Jesus don't kill the lad.
 
I am more worried about how they will fair vs an attack of cummins, hazlewood, starc, pattinson in december.

no point in mentioning lyon because he will take bucketload of wickets when Pakistan follow on.
 
Pete Rose said:
I am more worried about how they will fair vs an attack of cummins, hazlewood, starc, pattinson in december.

no point in mentioning lyon because he will take bucketload of wickets when Pakistan follow on.
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this is a concern. Apart from shaheen I am not sure who else is test ready. what's the lineup going to look like?

shaheen
Abbas
Amir hopefully he reconsiders or else shinwari
ashraf
 
I have a feeling teams will eventually learn how to deal with Archer.

He is new to the scene and that is why players are struggling against him.
 
tyron_woodley said:
this is a concern. Apart from shaheen I am not sure who else is test ready. what's the lineup going to look like?

shaheen
Abbas
Amir hopefully he reconsiders or else shinwari
ashraf
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I think we're going to have to take a gamble with a domestic talent like Sameen Gul. He is young but he has the ingredients; tall hit the deck bowler who gets the ball to move both ways off the seam, bowls in the high 130s with the odd ball over 140. Attributes wise he is made for Australian conditions. Hope he can do well in QeA trophy.
 
The question is not how Pakistani Batsmen will cope with Jofra Archer ....

The question is How Jofra Archer will cope with Pakistani Batsmen.
 
Babar will tear him apart!

The other batsmen will gift their wickets to other bowlers.

Archer wont get a wicket :kp
 
tyron_woodley said:
this is a concern. Apart from shaheen I am not sure who else is test ready. what's the lineup going to look like?

shaheen
Abbas
Amir hopefully he reconsiders or else shinwari
ashraf
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They need one out and fast bowler. Maybe shinwari. And seam bowlers who are fit and ready to bowl long spells on good length. Yasir shah also did pretty poorly last time as well.
 
aloo paratha said:
I think we're going to have to take a gamble with a domestic talent like Sameen Gul. He is young but he has the ingredients; tall hit the deck bowler who gets the ball to move both ways off the seam, bowls in the high 130s with the odd ball over 140. Attributes wise he is made for Australian conditions. Hope he can do well in QeA trophy.
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my only concern regarding shinwari is height. Sameem would be a good pick.
But why do people on PP feel like playing first class cricket for too long would be detrimental to the fast bowlers??
 
afraid it will be a medical disaster - No Pak batsman will be able to handle the ball directed at face...
 
tyron_woodley said:
my only concern regarding shinwari is height. Sameem would be a good pick.
But why do people on PP feel like playing first class cricket for too long would be detrimental to the fast bowlers??
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Because our first class conditions are more tailor made for medium pacers who can nip it around a bit, which most of the time aren't good enough for international cricket.
 
I can see Imam playing a ridiculous shot and getting caught at silly leg.

Azhar Ali to get caught at short fine leg.

Babar and Shan will smash him around.
 
Never mind Jofra Archer the bowler, appears he has a first class batting average almost near that of batting legend Hafeez , and technically looks sound batting right now at the crease. Another all rounder for England in the making.
 
England paceman Jofra Archer says he has fully recovered from a right elbow injury sustained earlier this year and hopes to play in all three tests against the West Indies next month.

Barbados-born Archer's injury had ruled him out of England's tour of Sri Lanka and the Indian Premier League before both were postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

"This past fortnight has been a lot different from the previous few weeks of practice as the intensity when you introduce batters go up without you even noticing," Archer wrote in his column.

"So far everything feels like clockwork. Crunch in, crunch out, my body feels fresh, and there are no issues with my right elbow whatsoever, touch wood."

The first Test is scheduled to begin in Southampton on July 8, with the last two matches at Old Trafford, as international cricket returns from the coronavirus shutdown.

"Despite the fact that the three matches of this series are played in such a short space of time ... I could play all three -- but everyone will be a bit cautious in terms of workload, thinking about the body and what lies ahead," Archer added.

"... Bowling has been a gradual progression but despite the fact that I was resting my elbow injury when we went into lockdown in March, I have followed similar loads to the other England test bowlers."

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...-tests-against-west-indies-1691778-2020-06-23
 
It depends on how well he actually bowls - if he bowls at his best he will cause big problems.
 
he sure won't cause problem to babar He bossed archer in 2019 don't know about other players .
 
It might be a good idea to get Hafeez to spend some time giving batting tips and advice to the younger batsmen in the squad , especially given how successful Hafeez has been over the years on England tours as an opening batsman - his confident approach when batting against raw pace in particular was always impressive to see. The likes of Imam, Shan, Abid Ali and even Babar could learn a lot about batting against pace from their senior colleague.
 
I’m not sure if Sami Aslam has been picked or not. But I kind of rate the guy for his willingness to stand and bat. Might be a sensible option to try him out with Shan Masood, drop Abid to 3 and Babar at 4.
 
Not sure if Archer will be able to play the series?

After the 4 ashes test, he had 2 and a half months off but according to a few posters on here that wasn’t sufficient time for a bowler of his pace and so his performance in New Zealand was understandably poor.

Which means that after the West Indies tour, he should be allowed to put his feet up for at least 6-8 weeks.

Good thing for Pakistan because he’s already on the level of ATG current bowlers like Cummins and Rabada.
 
Archer is a mediocre bowler who will be humiliated, frustrated and clobbered across all corners by the great little man, Babar Azam.
 
In all honesty, I don't think Archer's all that, can be quite erratic at times. Yes he has good pace but Pakistan batsmen should try and use it to their advantage.

Babar needs to teach him a lesson.
 
Ab Fan said:
Archer is a mediocre bowler who will be humiliated, frustrated and clobbered across all corners by the great little man, Babar Azam.
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Am sure he will take that if he successful against the rest barring one
 
Kroll said:
In all honesty, I don't think Archer's all that, can be quite erratic at times. Yes he has good pace but Pakistan batsmen should try and use it to their advantage.

Babar needs to teach him a lesson.
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Only babar can no other batesman can play pace
 
Majid Khan said:
It might be a good idea to get Hafeez to spend some time giving batting tips and advice to the younger batsmen in the squad , especially given how successful Hafeez has been over the years on England tours as an opening batsman - his confident approach when batting against raw pace in particular was always impressive to see. The likes of Imam, Shan, Abid Ali and even Babar could learn a lot about batting against pace from their senior colleague.
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Dale Steyn says otherwise
 
Forum363 said:
Not sure if Archer will be able to play the series?

After the 4 ashes test, he had 2 and a half months off but according to a few posters on here that wasn’t sufficient time for a bowler of his pace and so his performance in New Zealand was understandably poor.

Which means that after the West Indies tour, he should be allowed to put his feet up for at least 6-8 weeks.

Good thing for Pakistan because he’s already on the level of ATG current bowlers like Cummins and Rabada.
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Root overbowled him.

He should get fast five over bursts only. Let Broad and Curran do the donkey work.

Ir they could alternate him in tests with Wood.
 
His figures in the World Cup game against us last year were 0-77. I think we'll be fine. Tests against West Indies will have him drained anyways, he doesn't seem to have great bowling stamina.
 
aloo paratha said:
His figures in the World Cup game against us last year were 0-77. I think we'll be fine. Tests against West Indies will have him drained anyways, he doesn't seem to have great bowling stamina.
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This isn’t some ODI jolly, it’s the real thing. Archer got two sixfers against the Aussies and skulled Steve Smith. England are learning how to use him to full effect.
 
Robert said:
This isn’t some ODI jolly, it’s the real thing. Archer got two sixfers against the Aussies and skulled Steve Smith. England are learning how to use him to full effect.
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Second point still stands. I don't think Archer has the stamina to do well over a long summer. I saw a sky sports article saying that Archer wants to play all 3 tests vs the Windies. If that happens, I don't think he'll have much left in the tank for us.
 
Everyone is over hyping babar azam. They think babar will expose archer, when it will be the other way arouund.

If babar scores against archer on these seaming english wickets, then babar will officially be the real deal.

This series is a test of babar more than anyone else. Since the Ashes 2019, pitches in england have gotten harder to bat on and really favor seam bowlers. Only smith and marnus, batters who leave the ball well, can be successful in england
 
aloo paratha said:
Second point still stands. I don't think Archer has the stamina to do well over a long summer. I saw a sky sports article saying that Archer wants to play all 3 tests vs the Windies. If that happens, I don't think he'll have much left in the tank for us.
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True, archer can be brilliant for a few tests , but runs out of stamina. Mark Wood is his replacement. Wood can also be pretty lethal.
 
aloo paratha said:
Second point still stands. I don't think Archer has the stamina to do well over a long summer.
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Because Root overbowled him.

In the first test he will have a bowler—captain in Stokes and we will see him used differently.
 
sindhiboy said:
Everyone is over hyping babar azam. They think babar will expose archer, when it will be the other way arouund.

If babar scores against archer on these seaming english wickets, then babar will officially be the real deal.

This series is a test of babar more than anyone else. Since the Ashes 2019, pitches in england have gotten harder to bat on and really favor seam bowlers. Only smith and marnus, batters who leave the ball well, can be successful in england
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Pakistan got away with only playing one Test at Old Trafford. England isn’t a hard place to bat as it was in the past, and the wickets are usually a lot more flatter in late July/August.

Plus I do get the impression that England tend to not risk its own batting being exposed by producing seaming tracks to Pakistan. There is always a bowler who has his day in such conditions
 
I really hope Pakistan learned from their Duanne Olivier experience. If not, then there's a good chance of a repeat. I hope Babar and co. prove me wrong.
 
They will follow the captains lead by hopping around and edging Archer or falling over and being plumb in front!
 
sindhiboy said:
Everyone is over hyping babar azam. They think babar will expose archer, when it will be the other way arouund.

If babar scores against archer on these seaming english wickets, then babar will officially be the real deal.

This series is a test of babar more than anyone else. Since the Ashes 2019, pitches in england have gotten harder to bat on and really favor seam bowlers. Only smith and marnus, batters who leave the ball well, can be successful in england
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Have faith in Babar. In Babar we trust.
 
sindhiboy said:
Everyone is over hyping babar azam. They think babar will expose archer, when it will be the other way arouund.

If babar scores against archer on these seaming english wickets, then babar will officially be the real deal.

This series is a test of babar more than anyone else. Since the Ashes 2019, pitches in england have gotten harder to bat on and really favor seam bowlers. Only smith and marnus, batters who leave the ball well, can be successful in england
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To be fair Babar had scored runs against the likes of Styen, Rabada, Cummins and Hazelwood. If anything people are hyping up Archer. He is good but not better than the names above.
 
shamaan said:
Am sure he will take that if he successful against the rest barring one
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Archer has not even played 10 tests till now but his average has dipped to 27 already with nothing of noteworthy away from home. He has a long way to go.

If Pakistan batsmen struggle against raw pace and bouncers like they did against Duanne Olivier in South Africa, then it will be the fault of Pakistan's batsmen for the losses otherwise they should do well against Archer. Jofra Archer is a kind of bowler who will have its moment but most of the time, he will look like an inferior version of Shoaib Akhtar.
 
I think they will do okay against Archer but might struggle against Woakes who is deadly in English conditions.
 
Robert said:
Because Root overbowled him.

In the first test he will have a bowler—captain in Stokes and we will see him used differently.
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Possibly. I'll reserve my judgement on him for now because we've hardly seen him play.
 
Arsal_AK said:
To be fair Babar had scored runs against the likes of Styen, Rabada, Cummins and Hazelwood. If anything people are hyping up Archer. He is good but not better than the names above.
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Yes he scored a brilliant 70 odd runs in safrica and smacked steyn. But that's his only good innings.

He scored a 100 on a very flat pitch where even yasir shah got a ton.

Everyone is under the impression that babar will thrash Archer. You can say it will be an even contest, but can't say babar will destroy and expose Archer like many posters are saying
 
Arsal_AK said:
To be fair Babar had scored runs against the likes of Styen, Rabada, Cummins and Hazelwood. If anything people are hyping up Archer. He is good but not better than the names above.
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While Babar's performance against most of the top Bowlers has been great but he has an awful record against Hazelwood.

Back to topic, If Archer plays all 3 tests and is fully fit, then it's going to be challenging for our batsmen, they will find it very hard, not to forget what Duanne Olivier did against Pakistan last time on SA tour. Pak batsmen have a history of struggling against pacers who have good control with short pitch bowling and Archer is one of those. What will certainly be an advantage to Pakistan is that Archer has got some fitness/injury issues and if he plays all Tests against WI, then he might not be that effective as seen in NZ.

For me, Broad & Anderson are still a bigger threat than Archer
 
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