How would people react if Vijay Shankar makes it to Team India?

[BlackShadow]

First impressions can be deceiving. :

 

[giri26]

You are actually not serious are you?

He gave away 48 runs and then scored 1 run off 5 balls when chasing 35 of 18. This was one of worst performances ever by anyone in international cricket. Of course questions will be asked how someone so bad made it to the team.

Did he not win the MoM award couple games before this one?

 

[jagatk]

Did he not win the MoM award couple games before this one?

I did not watch that game. His figures were 4-0-32-2 how they are motm worthy I don't know?

 

[giri26]

I did not watch that game. His figures were 4-0-32-2 how they are motm worthy I don't know?

That's the point, you did not watch the match. Players falter and especially players who are trying to make a mark. Yuvraj Singh for all the experience he had played one of the worst innings played by anyone in a World Cup finals, comeback or not, that was poor. Things like that happen to players and you cannot crucify them for having a bad game and that too in their first few games. He may turn out to be a horrible player but he should not be judged based on one performance with the bat in the whole tournament. It is not easy to walk into bat for the first time in the series without knowing anything about the opposition or the pitch or the conditions and that too in the finals when the stakes are high. The lack of experience plays a part too. He played a poor innings but he should not be ignored or completely disregarded based on that.

 

[jagatk]

That's the point, you did not watch the match. Players falter and especially players who are trying to make a mark. Yuvraj Singh for all the experience he had played one of the worst innings played by anyone in a World Cup finals, comeback or not, that was poor. Things like that happen to players and you cannot crucify them for having a bad game and that too in their first few games. He may turn out to be a horrible player but he should not be judged based on one performance with the bat in the whole tournament. It is not easy to walk into bat for the first time in the series without knowing anything about the opposition or the pitch or the conditions and that too in the finals when the stakes are high. The lack of experience plays a part too. He played a poor innings but he should not be ignored or completely disregarded based on that.

It wasn't just with the bat was it though, 4-0-48-0 doesn't make a pretty reading either. Picking 3 wickets in the entire series at an avg of 52 which I am ready to disregard but also at 9 rpo is just poor.

For me none of Shankar, unadkat or Thakur should play for india atleast in the foreseeable future.

 

[giri26]

It wasn't just with the bat was it though, 4-0-48-0 doesn't make a pretty reading either. Picking 3 wickets in the entire series at an avg of 52 which I am ready to disregard but also at 9 rpo is just poor.

For me none of Shankar, unadkat or Thakur should play for india atleast in the foreseeable future.

That's your opinion and I respect it but I wouldn't look too much into his performance in one match. He is a batsman who can bowl a bit and not your regular 4 overs bowler. Even in domestic he doesn't bowl that often. It is a mistake of the selectors to consider him as a bowling all-rounder while he is a good batter who can give the team few overs.

 

[jagatk]

That's your opinion and I respect it but I wouldn't look too much into his performance in one match. He is a batsman who can bowl a bit and not your regular 4 overs bowler. Even in domestic he doesn't bowl that often. It is a mistake of the selectors to consider him as a bowling all-rounder while he is a good batter who can give the team few overs.

OK now I am confused, I thought he was a bowling AR because that's what people on here called him. But even his batting stats aren't really great how did he get picked is still beyond me. T20 avg of 23 @ 120 is nothing to write home about his bowling though seems consistently bad be it at domestic level or international level.

 

[giri26]

OK now I am confused, I thought he was a bowling AR because that's what people on here called him. But even his batting stats aren't really great how did he get picked is still beyond me. T20 avg of 23 @ 120 is nothing to write home about his bowling though seems consistently bad be it at domestic level or international level.

Vijay Shankar was selected because of his great first class performances and his OD performances for India on the A tours. He played some clutch knocks there for him to be noticed. He hasn't bowled enough to be considered as a bowling all rounder. He was never selected due to his T20 exploits. He is a very good batsman who can bowl a few overs at best at the moment. He probably is not a T20 player but is talented and has done well for India A and at first class level. So based on his inability to connect with few slower balls from Mustafizur, he shouldn't be discarded yet.

 

[jagatk]

Vijay Shankar was selected because of his great first class performances and his OD performances for India on the A tours. He played some clutch knocks there for him to be noticed. He hasn't bowled enough to be considered as a bowling all rounder. He was never selected due to his T20 exploits. He is a very good batsman who can bowl a few overs at best at the moment. He probably is not a T20 player but is talented and has done well for India A and at first class level. So based on his inability to connect with few slower balls from Mustafizur, he shouldn't be discarded yet.

I am sorry but if he is a batsman then his selection is even more ludicrous because then he isn't competing with pandya the spot he was picked to fill but rather Raina, pandey KL and co. And he doesn't have nos to be selected ahead of them.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Shankar isn't even a regular for his IPL side yet here he is playing for the national T20 side.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Shankar isn't even a regular for his IPL side yet here he is playing for the national T20 side.

They don't care about that. They're trying out players for the World Cup.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Hope he proves me wrong here but I'm not a fan of Shankar.

edit - looks like he is going to.

 

[big_gamer007]

Is the the same guy who bowls 120 kmph dibbly dobblers?

 

[Bhaijaan]

For all the talk of talent in the country I have no idea how mediocres like this guy, Siraj, Krunal, Kaul etc keep making it to Indian national team.

Where are the Nagarkotis and Mavis

 

[Shandarchowka]

I saw the match and he was the only player from India side who tried very hard. He even hit a couple of big sixes.

 

[introvert]

I think since he was already with the of odi squad he got lucky opportunity ahead of others.
Today he played as pure batsman at no.3 & played an average inning.

as long as pandya is in the playing11 shankar should never play as an allrounder imo. as a batsmen he is far behind in pecking order.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Whwre is Shreyas Iyer?

 

[happydavy]

I thot he batted very well today, even in the last ODI he played very well while Rayadu was still struggling initially. He averages close to 50 in first class cricket so must be a decent bat. He might find himself in the world cup squad and I don't think it will be a bad move.

 

[Tyler Durden]

He looked more assured than the overhyped Superstars Gills and Pants in the last 2 outings! Cut him some slack! Should give him more chances and he will definitely come good.

 

[jagatk]

He looked more assured than the overhyped Superstars Gills and Pants in the last 2 outings! Cut him some slack! Should give him more chances and he will definitely come good.

Gill has domestic nos to back up the hype which came off brilliant u19 performances. Pant has centuries in england and australia to show for his hype which again came off his ranji performances . This guy is a nobody who has got in to the side because guess what he plays for a certain state.

And he isn't the only one, siraj, khaleel are in same boat, they look like players who are nowhere near good enough for afghanistan and BD B teams let alone indian national team.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Gill has domestic nos to back up the hype which came off brilliant u19 performances. Pant has centuries in england and australia to show for his hype which again came off his ranji performances . This guy is a nobody who has got in to the side because guess what he plays for a certain state.

And he isn't the only one, siraj, khaleel are in same boat, they look like players who are nowhere near good enough for afghanistan and BD B teams let alone indian national team.

Well! The nobodies like Shankars, Rayudus are the ones winning matches for India in NZ while the Domestic Superstars Gills and Pants have done jack in LOIs so far in the given chances! Hard pill to digest, will take some time for you!

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Gill has domestic nos to back up the hype which came off brilliant u19 performances. Pant has centuries in england and australia to show for his hype which again came off his ranji performances . This guy is a nobody who has got in to the side because guess what he plays for a certain state.

He got into the side because he was the top scorer for India 'A' during their tour of New Zealand in December. He scored 188 runs in 3 innings at an average of 94.00 and a strike rate of 105.02.

 

[JaDed]

He is better than Rayudu, even in previous match he was composed, yes mental ability will always be an issue but seeing other options he is pretty good imo.
Feels like not everyone has seen last 2 matches here.

 

[dani2k]

Shankar's game is not for T20. But he can be a good #4 of #5 in ODIs and a good #6 in test matches. Has got a good temperament along with decent batting and fielding skills. His bowling is pretty ordinary and needs to be used only sparingly.

After this world cup he could be a reliable lower order ODI bat along with a possible swap for Vihari in the test side based on conditions.

I also feel that he is in the T20 side only on a trial basis since we have less white ball games before the WC. The team management is trying out a different combination as was seen in the last ODI and today. He is fitting the team plans based on that combo and so the fans can take it easy as this is not likely to be the combination for the WC.

 

[jagatk]

Well! The nobodies like Shankars, Rayudus are the ones winning matches for India in NZ while the Domestic Superstars Gills and Pants have done jack in LOIs so far in the given chances! Hard pill to digest, will take some time for you!

This was pant's first game on the tour and gill is just making his debut if that is the standard we are going to go by, vijay nearly lost us nidahas final against the nagin dance paltan before dk played out of his skin to win the game.

 

[jagatk]

He got into the side because he was the top scorer for India 'A' during their tour of New Zealand in December. He scored 188 runs in 3 innings at an average of 94.00 and a strike rate of 105.02.

That really doesn't show much though, great nos no doubt but it's 3 games and dibbly dobbly 120k's ain't A/R material unless we are looking for another binny. He has been playing ranji for 7 years and has a decent average yet no season has he taken the tournament by storm like pant, gill or shaw have, he has absolutely no power game, he doesn't play in the top order for his ranji team, he is a lower middle order batsman and given he has no six hitting prowess i don't see how he starts in this indian team as pandya is a finisher and jadhav can actually hit boundaries and bowls 5-6 economical overs a game.

 

[rhony]

Shankar is going to world cup as a back up allrounder. They are going to give him games until then. He's not a T20 player though

 

[Specialkid]

His shots were fun to watch..six hitting ability was there...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He looked more assured than the overhyped Superstars Gills and Pants in the last 2 outings! Cut him some slack! Should give him more chances and he will definitely come good.

I will give Gill more chances. As far as Pant is concerned his competition is with Dhoni and Karthik. At the moment Dhoni and Karthik are ahead of Pant in LOI's.

Vijay Shankar's competition is with overhyped Pandya who performs once in 5-6 matches. Shankar should also get the same number of chances. I am sure he can also perform like Pandya.

 

[JaDed]

I will give Gill more chances. As far as Pant is concerned his competition is with Dhoni and Karthik. At the moment Dhoni and Karthik are ahead of Pant in LOI's.

Vijay Shankar's competition is with overhyped Pandya who performs once in 5-6 matches. Shankar should also get the same number of chances. I am sure he can also perform like Pandya.

Ideally Shankar's competition should be with Rayudu.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

We played Unadkat in a test match in SA once. Doesn't get any worse than that. He's also one of the highest paid players in IPL i believe lol.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ideally Shankar's competition should be with Rayudu.

Rayudu ain't going anywhere. Top 5 are fixed
Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rayudu and Dhoni. Jadhav, Pandya brothers, Jadeja, Shankar and Karthik will fight for the remaining two spots.

 

[rhony]

We played Unadkat in a test match in SA once. Doesn't get any worse than that. He's also one of the highest paid players in IPL i believe lol.

Lol. I cannot understand the love for that dude. 130 cutters. He's a one trick pony and they keep doling out a million bucks for that guy

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol. I cannot understand the love for that dude. 130 cutters. He's a one trick pony and they keep doling out a million bucks for that guy

130? I remember him trundling in at 115 kph in that test match and he was playing as our frontline seamer. I'd even take Vijay Shankar purely as a bowler over that guy.

 

[rhony]

130? I remember him trundling in at 115 kph in that test match and he was playing as our frontline seamer. I'd even take Vijay Shankar purely as a bowler over that guy.

He was bowling cutters with the new ball at 115

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

That really doesn't show much though, great nos no doubt but it's 3 games and dibbly dobbly 120k's ain't A/R material unless we are looking for another binny. He has been playing ranji for 7 years and has a decent average yet no season has he taken the tournament by storm like pant, gill or shaw have, he has absolutely no power game, he doesn't play in the top order for his ranji team, he is a lower middle order batsman and given he has no six hitting prowess i don't see how he starts in this indian team as pandya is a finisher and jadhav can actually hit boundaries and bowls 5-6 economical overs a game.

Dravid batted him at 5 against New Zealand 'A' and he took the team over the line. Did that better than the other domestic standouts in the India 'A' team. You don't need to hit sixes to score at a strike rate of over 100. You can do that with fours.

The guy earned his place in the team through his showings for India 'A'. He then batted pretty well in the 5th ODI against New Zealand before the run out, and he didn't do horribly in the 1st T20I either.

 

[happydavy]

Shankar is going to world cup as a back up allrounder. They are going to give him games until then. He's not a T20 player though

And that's one decision I would fully agree with. The lad averages close to 50 in first class cricket, and fully deserves his chances.

 

[BaankeJi]

Whwre is Shreyas Iyer?

That Moyo image made me laugh.

 

[Ciskatachoon]

Well TBH, Indian selectors and team mgmts have always been a little stupid about knowing who their best players are for which format. Leaving aside any corruption and scandal allegations, I really think they are stupid compared to selectors of other countries. This goes way back to the times when Atul Wassan was one of the fastest bowlers in India and could also swing the ball but they kept on ignoring him until it was too late. Same with Salil Ankola, I remember Jeoff Boycott practically crying out on commnetary that "India have just wasted Ankola" these were his exact words and also about Agarkar when he was dropped that "India dont necessarily know who their best players are". Then there was the case of Agarkar who inspite of being wiry framed was great in pace and would always get you 2 - 3 crucial wickets with both conventional and reverse swing, though he was expensive, but the Indian mindset was just to save runs and so they settled for trundlers who could just bowl line and length, as if todays good batsman are bound by line and length alone. Not only that, they seem to have a knack of trying to get fast attacking bowlers to give up their pace (and even their runup) and settle for line and length.... and also maybe wear sarees and become hijras in their off time. Examples are rife - Umesh Yadav came in with 150 kph now he is 135 kph bowler. Irfan Pathan troubled all batsmen when he bowled at 140 kph, but they tried to make him bowl banana in swingers as if he was Kapil Dev. Varun Aaron is the only guy who stood upto the opposition and said he will continue to bowl fast, so even though he takes cartloads of wckets in Ranji he never gets picked. Even Mohd Shami was a more attacking bowler when he came than what he is now. On the other hand Ishant Sharma kept getting free accolades ever since his debut tour of Australia and so didnt have to worry abt working hard on his game so when he goes to South Africa, he gets hammered and also gets a comment "he should get a haircut" - rightly so I think.

Coming to batting lineups too they dont know how to pick separate specialists for T20s, they just keep mixing up formats. Our very own Shikhar Dhawan started off as a wonderful test player but they thrusted him too soon into ODIs and T20s and too much of that just made him lose his temperament as a test player, if they made him play test for a whil then brought him into LOIs, he might well have been an asset in at least Test and ODI cricket. Compare that to Australia, who waited for Brett Lee to mature a little but not leave it too late so they timed it right. Too many examples and too little space but more analysis only revelas a Sobering Greek tragedy. Good Selections and Team mgmt requires the best cricketing brains. if you take it lightly, you screw up players careers and teams records.

 

[jagatk]

Well TBH, Indian selectors and team mgmts have always been a little stupid about knowing who their best players are for which format. Leaving aside any corruption and scandal allegations, I really think they are stupid compared to selectors of other countries. This goes way back to the times when Atul Wassan was one of the fastest bowlers in India and could also swing the ball but they kept on ignoring him until it was too late. Same with Salil Ankola, I remember Jeoff Boycott practically crying out on commnetary that "India have just wasted Ankola" these were his exact words and also about Agarkar when he was dropped that "India dont necessarily know who their best players are". Then there was the case of Agarkar who inspite of being wiry framed was great in pace and would always get you 2 - 3 crucial wickets with both conventional and reverse swing, though he was expensive, but the Indian mindset was just to save runs and so they settled for trundlers who could just bowl line and length, as if todays good batsman are bound by line and length alone. Not only that, they seem to have a knack of trying to get fast attacking bowlers to give up their pace (and even their runup) and settle for line and length.... and also maybe wear sarees and become hijras in their off time. Examples are rife - Umesh Yadav came in with 150 kph now he is 135 kph bowler. Irfan Pathan troubled all batsmen when he bowled at 140 kph, but they tried to make him bowl banana in swingers as if he was Kapil Dev. Varun Aaron is the only guy who stood upto the opposition and said he will continue to bowl fast, so even though he takes cartloads of wckets in Ranji he never gets picked. Even Mohd Shami was a more attacking bowler when he came than what he is now. On the other hand Ishant Sharma kept getting free accolades ever since his debut tour of Australia and so didnt have to worry abt working hard on his game so when he goes to South Africa, he gets hammered and also gets a comment "he should get a haircut" - rightly so I think.

Coming to batting lineups too they dont know how to pick separate specialists for T20s, they just keep mixing up formats. Our very own Shikhar Dhawan started off as a wonderful test player but they thrusted him too soon into ODIs and T20s and too much of that just made him lose his temperament as a test player, if they made him play test for a whil then brought him into LOIs, he might well have been an asset in at least Test and ODI cricket. Compare that to Australia, who waited for Brett Lee to mature a little but not leave it too late so they timed it right. Too many examples and too little space but more analysis only revelas a Sobering Greek tragedy. Good Selections and Team mgmt requires the best cricketing brains. if you take it lightly, you screw up players careers and teams records.

You make a good point about agarkar, everything else sadly is mostly garbage.

Varun Aaron has not been a good bowler, his only claim to fame was he bowled quick that's it. An average of 31 is not a sign of good bowler. Ishant started out as a 140+ bowler, so he surely shouldn't have been getting free accolades whatever they are. It's only injuries that made him slow down not to mention look at his nos since kohli took over the captaincy, it's you who needs a haircut there.

Yadav's pace has barely changed, he was never bowling 150 and he isn't now either, he can consistently clock 140+ now and he did the same when he started, it's a lot easier to keep bowling 145 everyball in LoI's than it is tests.

 

[AMSS]

Shame that Vijay's bowling is so bad captains don't trust him with even one over. On the other hand, his batting looks orthodox and also well adapted to high scoring games. Presents the full face of the bat, hits down the ground, and capable of keeping his composure in pressure. Don't mind him being in the mix at all.

 

[Sidilicious]

Rayudu ain't going anywhere. Top 5 are fixed
Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rayudu and Dhoni. Jadhav, Pandya brothers, Jadeja, Shankar and Karthik will fight for the remaining two spots.

We need Jadhav as a 6th bowler if the pitch offers spin or if a couple of bowlers are having a bad day.

I agree that Rayudu’s spot is also fixed.

So its pretty much - Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rayudu, Dhoni, Jhadhav, Pandya, Bhuvi, Kuldeep, Chahal and Bumrah.

IIRC, we need to have a squad of 15. Shami will be back up pacer, Karthik the backup keeper and MO batsman and Jadeja the backup spinner. In reality the only spot which is open is that of the backup opener, which might be awarded to KL Rahul (even though he had done nothing to justify that spot). The other option could be Rahane (not that I agree with it).

In case of injuries, the on call but not in squad players are unknown. We will be drafting in 0 experienced players if any of the main 15 get injured. Its really only Rahane/KL (which ever does not make it to the XV), Khaleel and Ashwin that have some experience. Krunal Pandya, Vijay Shankar, Gill have not been given enough of a chance to at least cement their place in the on call list.

 

[RyanRyan10]

To be fair to him,he has looked better in the 3 innings on this tour
A team man who can play in different situation
But his bowling is not upto the mark

More of a no.5/6 than a no.7
Should not be selected as an allrounder but as a batsman who can bowl

 

[dani2k]

Shankar has been steady in the limited chances he has received.

1) Temperament - huge plus
2) Batting under pressure - 50/50 (did well during the 5th ODI but Nidahas cup is a minus - though it has to be considered that it was his FIRST batting stint)
3) Fielding - above average (did effect a run out today and has been good in the infield)
4) Bowling - strictly part time effectively ruling out his role as a back up to Hardik. He is more of a back up to Jadhav.

Overall he has done well though not spectacularly well. Deserves a few more chances to prove his credentials and be atleast a back up on standby (#5/6) if things go wrong during a long WC.

ODI and tests look to be his stronger suits because of his technique which is about presenting the full face of the bat. He also looks to like to take some time settling down which is not a bad thing in those formats. Not sold on his T20 skills though.

 

[giri26]

Rahul Dravid told me I have shots and temperament to be a finisher: Vijay Shankar

India allrounder Vijay Shankar has revealed he lost confidence after playing a scratchy innings in the final of Nidahas T20 Tri-series last year but speaking to Rahul Dravid helped put him at ease.

During the final of the tri-series against Bangladesh, Dinesh Karthik sealed a nerve-shredding win with a last-ball six. However, Shankar, a rookie, struggled to score quickly hitting 17 off 19.

Recounting his first encounter with the legendary batsman, Shankar said he wanted to impress Dravid with whom he was batting during a club match.

In his efforts, he ended up playing extravagant shots but Dravid advised him to calm down. “The first time I met Rahul sir was before a TNCA club match (for Vijay CC) in Chennai in 2012, he was then my idol and I was so nervous that I literally froze in the dressing room,” Shankar told The Indian Express.

“Two days later, we were batting together in the middle and like all youngsters I wanted to impress him. So I played a couple of extravagant strokes, and he immediately advised me: ‘We have plenty of time, so pace your innings and I want you to finish the innings.’”

Shankar travelled with India A squad for a tour of New Zealand where in the first unofficial ODI, he played a match-winning knock of 87 not out as the tourists overhauled the target of 309 in 49 overs.

However, his confidence had taken a hit post the Bangladesh final but Dravid helped him work through it.

“I had lost a bit of confidence batting in limited-over matches, after the Nidahas Trophy final. But he [Dravid] put me at ease, told me that I have the shots and temperament to be a finisher. And he told me that he’ll send me at No 5, which he did in the first match [vs New Zealand A], when we were chasing around 300,” Shankar said.

He further added, “I scored an unbeaten 87 and we won the match. The innings really cleared the self-doubts, and in the next match I scored a 59 in another chase of 300. Now I’m very confident about my batting in limited-over matches. I have better situational awareness and clarity of mind.”

Following his decent performances. Shankar managed to keep his place in the upcoming limited-overs series against Australia at home which has strengthened his chances of making a cut for the ICC World Cup 2019.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...erament-to-be-a-finisher-vijay-shankar-803881

 

[rhony]

He should play at No.4 instead of Rayadu. Technically very sound and has big strokes as well. Even though his bowling is bad, he can pitch in with a couple of overs. Very good fielder too. No brainier really

 

[jaisan]

Indian fans already want him to replace rayudu in playing11

 

[Tyler Durden]

Another joke of a thread! Vijay Shankar is the real deal and he's going to be the mainstay of this Indian team in the coming days! Not the Pants or Krunals or any other hacks!

 

[Sidilicious]

Another joke of a thread! Vijay Shankar is the real deal and he's going to be the mainstay of this Indian team in the coming days! Not the Pants or Krunals or any other hacks!

DO you not see the different roles Pant, Vijay Shankar, Krunal Pandya play?

Its
Pant vs Dhoni
Vijay Shankar vs Hardik Pandya, or
Vijay Shankar vs Rayudu
Krunal Pandya vs Jhadhav, or
Krunal Pandya vs Chahal

 

[Tyler Durden]

DO you not see the different roles Pant, Vijay Shankar, Krunal Pandya play?

Its
Pant vs Dhoni
Vijay Shankar vs Hardik Pandya, or
Vijay Shankar vs Rayudu
Krunal Pandya vs Jhadhav, or
Krunal Pandya vs Chahal

My comparision was between a proper batsman vs a hack! I don't care what roles they play! A hack is a hack eod!

 

[jagatk]

My comparision was between a proper batsman vs a hack! I don't care what roles they play! A hack is a hack eod!

The hack pant has centuries in england and australia in his first tours a place where mr proper batsman dhoni couldn't hack it on multiple tours.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

His bowling is part-time at best but he just looks so assured while batting. I hope he gets an extended run at No. 4/5 because he inspires more confidence at the crease than Rayudu does IMO.

 

[WengerOut]

Dhoni was a hack. He was a damn good one. Now he resembles a farmer ploughing

 

[Tyler Durden]

The hack pant has centuries in england and australia in his first tours a place where mr proper batsman dhoni couldn't hack it on multiple tours.

Pant is not even fit to tie the shoelaces of DK, let alone Dhoni! Let him score centuries in dead rubber test matches! who cares? He's a nobody in LOIs so far and his contribution in LOIs so far is a big fat zero! No matter how much you bring up his centuries in Test matches, it means nothing if he's not winning games for India in LOIs! Dhoni the hack has own everything under the Sun for India! Next?

 

[Realromeo]

It is mind boggling.

As bad as India's fast bowling reserves are, even their Under 19s have better pacers than trundlers like Vijay Shankar. It is an embarrassment to see someone as genuinely mediocre like Vijay Shankar represent India at the highest stage and in a tournament final.

Meaning no disrespect but India can certainly field better bowlers.

Owned

 

[someone21]

Its unfortunate that people make judgements based on looks and cricketing style. This player doesn't fit the sterotype of typical cricketer and thus, the hatred for him. Talent and performances wise, he is very valuable.

 

[jagatk]

Pant is not even fit to tie the shoelaces of DK, let alone Dhoni! Let him score centuries in dead rubber test matches! who cares? He's a nobody in LOIs so far and his contribution in LOIs so far is a big fat zero! No matter how much you bring up his centuries in Test matches, it means nothing if he's not winning games for India in LOIs! Dhoni the hack has own everything under the Sun for India! Next?

Pant's played a grand total of 3 odi's how well did dhoni do in his first 3 odi's?

 

[jagatk]

A look at stats of Mr Owns everything under the sun shows me he failed to crack double digits in 6 of the first 15 ODI games he played, scoring above 30 only twice. I wouldn't call people names on basis of 3 odi's if i were you given how your hero did in his first few games or the technique he showed in them.

 

[Smbhayi]

A look at stats of Mr Owns everything under the sun shows me he failed to crack double digits in 6 of the first 15 ODI games he played, scoring above 30 only twice. I wouldn't call people names on basis of 3 odi's if i were you given how your hero did in his first few games or the technique he showed in them.

you can't use that measurement anymore since IPL is arrived.. Pant played 2 full season so he got enough exposure..

 

[Smbhayi]

by saying that Pant is capable to be a very good batsman, but need to cut down fancy shot early..

 

[WengerOut]

by saying that Pant is capable to be a very good batsman, but need to cut down fancy shot early..

That will come with experience. I remember Dhoni trying to sweep Tino Best in the second series. Only later he became more reliable.

 

[Sidilicious]

My comparision was between a proper batsman vs a hack! I don't care what roles they play! A hack is a hack eod!

A batsman who has scored a test century in England and Aus on his first tour is a hack?

Pant's game has not YET been fine tuned his game for LOIs yet. That doesnt mean he is a hack. He will only do it when he is given a proper run. There is no more time to do it now. But after the WC, he needs to be given a proper run. I am confident that had we given Pant a run in the LOI side after the IPL last year, he would have found his game for LOIs.

Also, Dhoni of 2019 is not the Dhoni of 2011. He is not able to rotate the strike properly nor can he consistently score at high SR. The max he can do is stabalise the innings for a bit, if needed and chase small targets.

 

[rhony]

Shankar's bowling is mediocre but his Fielding and batting are more valuable than everything Rayudu does. Shankar should be the No.4 for India. He can also bowl a few hours in right conditions. Can rotate, has a good technique and can smash a few too. Excellent find for India before the WC

 

[Napa]

Its unfortunate that people make judgements based on looks and cricketing style. This player doesn't fit the sterotype of typical cricketer and thus, the hatred for him. Talent and performances wise, he is very valuable.

Not sure why anyone would have a negative opinion of his looks? Seems like a good looking chap to me in an South Indian way.

 

[BaankeJi]

Pant is not even fit to tie the shoelaces of DK, let alone Dhoni! Let him score centuries in dead rubber test matches! who cares? He's a nobody in LOIs so far and his contribution in LOIs so far is a big fat zero! No matter how much you bring up his centuries in Test matches, it means nothing if he's not winning games for India in LOIs! Dhoni the hack has own everything under the Sun for India! Next?

There was no dead rubber in Australia.
Pant is not a hack.

 

[jnaveen1980]

There was no dead rubber in Australia.
Pant is not a hack.

yes. He can hack. But he is not a hack. His issue is lack of middle gears that is it. He either goes on the block mode unable to find gaps or play strokes.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pant's played a grand total of 3 odi's how well did dhoni do in his first 3 odi's?

You are right. Pant will soon score 183* against Pakistan in an ODI and shut all his critics.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Shankar's bowling is mediocre but his Fielding and batting are more valuable than everything Rayudu does. Shankar should be the No.4 for India. He can also bowl a few hours in right conditions. Can rotate, has a good technique and can smash a few too. Excellent find for India before the WC

Shankar should replace useless Pandya not Rayudu.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pant and Dhoni both should play and bat at 4 and 5 either way.

Two different players with different strengths and weakness and will compliment each other well.

Jadhav will be 6 and Pandya will be 7.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Shankar should replace useless Pandya not Rayudu.

thankfully we have saner people leading Indian selections and not those who hate for the sake of hating an individual

 

[rhony]

Shankar should replace useless Pandya not Rayudu.

It depends. Who can contribute more? Pandya or Rayudu? Pandya can contribute in all three facets. He's a better hitter, better fielder than Rayudu. Even the 90 that Rayudu scored was iffy.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

thankfully we have saner people leading Indian selections and not those who hate for the sake of hating an individual

Are you talking about Dhoni haters? If yes, then I am with you.

But if you are talking about Pandya then you need to post his stats. It will be interesting to see his match winning knocks and bowling performances from a Sports Warrior like you.

I would also like to see how many games Pandya takes to help India win a match and how consistent he is?

Haters are those who want Dhoni out of this team even when he is performing. What has Pandya done in comparison to Dhoni? There is no need to hate a bits and pieces player. Even Vijay Shankar can do better than what Pandya has done so far in international cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It depends. Who can contribute more? Pandya or Rayudu? Pandya can contribute in all three facets. He's a better hitter, better fielder than Rayudu. Even the 90 that Rayudu scored was iffy.

Pandya can but more often than not he doesn't. Even Manish Pandey can play like Kohli on his day but that doesn't mean he will be selected.

Preference should be given to players who are performing currently. You don't want too many inconsistent and out of form players in the world cup. If KL Rahul comes back to form I will choose him over Dhawan or Rayudu.

 

[jagatk]

You are right. Pant will soon score 183* against Pakistan in an ODI and shut all his critics.

He has scored test centuries in 2 countries on his first tours there. Same place where dhoni couldn't score a century in his entire career. And that 183 did not come against Pakistan it was SL, he scored 148 against pak and that happened in his 5th game scores before that game 0,12,7,3. And as I mentioned in the earlier post he crossed 30 only twice in his first 15 games.

Your bias against certain players is unbelievable, Shankar needs as many games as pandya to prove that he is a better player but pant should be written off in 3 games.

 

[jnaveen1980]

At this point i am not sure if Pant should be ahead of Agarwal, Shaw as a pure batsman. As a keeper i have no problem with him replacing Dhoni. It is all about the balance. Only guy he can replace is Rayudu. But Shankar with his additional skills have an edge.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Are you talking about Dhoni haters? If yes, then I am with you.

But if you are talking about Pandya then you need to post his stats. It will be interesting to see his match winning knocks and bowling performances from a Sports Warrior like you.

I would also like to see how many games Pandya takes to help India win a match and how consistent he is?

Haters are those who want Dhoni out of this team even when he is performing. What has Pandya done in comparison to Dhoni? There is no need to hate a bits and pieces player. Even Vijay Shankar can do better than what Pandya has done so far in international cricket.

No sane person compares Pandya to Dhoni. They are not even in same zip code in terms for achievement and not in stage in their career. There are very few who will come near Dhoni in terms of achievements in world cricket. Dhoni for all his fault as a batsman still makes team on merit as he is contributing in multiple areas. So not that.

I was commenting about your incessant whining about Pandya as a player. India does not have a better fast bowling all-rounder. Infact in LOIS there are very few in world cricket. He may or may not be world beater but anyone who gives 10-0-55-1 bowling, scores 30@115 and fields like a champion is like a gold dust in international cricket especially if they bowl medium pace. So he makes it on merit whether you like or not

 

[rhony]

Pandya can but more often than not he doesn't. Even Manish Pandey can play like Kohli on his day but that doesn't mean he will be selected.

Preference should be given to players who are performing currently. You don't want too many inconsistent and out of form players in the world cup. If KL Rahul comes back to form I will choose him over Dhawan or Rayudu.

KL would be ideal but he's not getting any more chances. Rayudu is the weaklink. KL or Shankar in his place will do good to India

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No sane person compares Pandya to Dhoni. They are not even in same zip code in terms for achievement and not in stage in their career. There are very few who will come near Dhoni in terms of achievements in world cricket. Dhoni for all his fault as a batsman still makes team on merit as he is contributing in multiple areas. So not that.

I was commenting about your incessant whining about Pandya as a player. India does not have a better fast bowling all-rounder. Infact in LOIS there are very few in world cricket. He may or may not be world beater but anyone who gives 10-0-55-1 bowling, scores 30@115 and fields like a champion is like a gold dust in international cricket especially if they bowl medium pace. So he makes it on merit whether you like or not

So you don't have any stats to back your claim and just want to stop others from critcising your favorite player. If he is not a world beater then why can't I criticise him?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He has scored test centuries in 2 countries on his first tours there. Same place where dhoni couldn't score a century in his entire career. And that 183 did not come against Pakistan it was SL, he scored 148 against pak and that happened in his 5th game scores before that game 0,12,7,3. And as I mentioned in the earlier post he crossed 30 only twice in his first 15 games.

Your bias against certain players is unbelievable, Shankar needs as many games as pandya to prove that he is a better player but pant should be written off in 3 games.

Please calm down there and stop crying. Not sure why did you bring those useless test hundreds into discussion when we were talking about ODI's? Some of your friends wanted Shankar out of this team because he is a trundler it is then I said even he can perform like Pandya if he is given the same number of chances. May be I am not an expert in your eyes but why is team management not giving chances to a talented player like Pant in ODIs?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shankar's bowling is mediocre but his Fielding and batting are more valuable than everything Rayudu does. Shankar should be the No.4 for India. He can also bowl a few hours in right conditions. Can rotate, has a good technique and can smash a few too. Excellent find for India before the WC

Rayudu is selfish too. In a run out situation he won’t hesitate even to sell Kohli down the river. He always scores enough to keep his place safe. Not a team player.