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How would people react if Vijay Shankar makes it to Team India?

Suryakumar Yadav should've been drafted in. I believe he is the best finisher in India. Can be cheeky as well as brutal against both pace and spin.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
So you don't have any stats to back your claim and just want to stop others from critcising your favorite player. If he is not a world beater then why can't I criticise him? :inti
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i just gave you the stats. he is the player who gives e"who gives 10-0-55-1 bowling, scores 30@115 and fields like a champion" . tell me which other fast bowling all rounder does it..
 
SportsWarrior said:
i just gave you the stats. he is the player who gives e"who gives 10-0-55-1 bowling, scores 30@115 and fields like a champion" . tell me which other fast bowling all rounder does it..
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Well actually, his average stats per match are
Bowling - 7 overs, 39 runs, 1 wicket
Batting - 29 runs of 25 balls.

Given that we have a very strong 4 pronged bowling attack, I will take the 5th bowler with that bowling stats and someone who can also bat like that at 7. Ideally, I’d like him to improve his batting, but even without that he does a decent job.
 
Sidilicious said:
Well actually, his average stats per match are
Bowling - 7 overs, 39 runs, 1 wicket
Batting - 29 runs of 25 balls.

Given that we have a very strong 4 pronged bowling attack, I will take the 5th bowler with that bowling stats and someone who can also bat like that at 7. Ideally, I’d like him to improve his batting, but even without that he does a decent job.
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India has rarely had such a decent 5th bowler and a batsman at 7. The only time we’ve had a consistent 5th bowler was when Yuvraj played in India.

Pandya is playing his support act in making this a formidable bowling line up.

He is no Kapil Dev. But he is playing his part in this team.
 
He looked really comfortable on a tough pitch. He played at a very good strike rate as well. Could be the solution to India's number 4 position.
 
As people discussed here Vijay Shankar is not a replacement for Pandya, but a good solution to India's No.4 spot! Especially for the coming world cup which is played in England! He is such a welcome & timely addition to current Indian team, as we literally have full headaches in our batting lineup after No.3...! With such brittle batting lineup he can easily get into the team and his bowling is a value bonus especially in England/World Cup! He has given a good late confidence booster to Indian team management (because we are seeing some issues in many areas), and it looks he is the one of the main results of all these experiments we did before the world cup!

While Vijay Shankar is timely solution to an ongoing problem, but only a stupid will think that he should be replaced with Pandya who is the product of continuous investment for a period of time (few years!). Pandya has definitely given that "balance" to the team! (to an extent that he was picked for Test matches! That speaks volumes! Idiots bark at this because he failed to reach their expectation which is not his problem!) Pandya has been scrutinized for the shortcomings of others (No.6 batsman & No.3 Seamer - that is actually a big responsibility! Even SENA nation cricketers who have reputation of producing alrounders do take some time/years to reach that level of responsibility!) I think he can easily handle the role of No.7 batsman with some consistency and No.4 seamer (at least better than others! It is not that we are producing such cricketers every day and night at ease to pass such lame comments at him!), but we are forced to use him as No.6 batsman & No.3 pacer to give balance to our team...

And mind you Vijay Shankar cannot give this kind of balance to the team, if you force it, then he may not even last longer & be in reckoning like Pandya! But at the moment Vijay Shankar may give that additional cushion to the team especially in the current World Cup as a support seamer & better No.4 batsman (unfortunately we have dearth of middle order batsmen going into this world cup which usually never happened to our team in last 1 or 2 decades!)

So India can improvise in their team composition and strengthen their bowling attack, with Shankar in the team we can easily have 2 regular seamers (Bumrah & Shami - if Bhuvi is not fit/in form, if Bhuvi is in form it strengthens our tail even more) and we can go with only Kuldeep and no Chahal (in England) & Kedar Jadhav will be enough as 2nd spinner (no need of Krunal Pandya, Jadeja, etc. They all can just be in the squad as backups!) because now both Vijay Shankar & Pandya will come into the equation of sharing 3rd Seamer spot, so we will easily have 10 overs (+another 5 to 10 overs) from them! This is just a perfect solution at least for the current world cup! At last we can feel some confidence with all the mess-ups in our team strategies of late!

So Vijay Shankar is a kind of magic player we just needed (like Joginder Sharma to win World Cup???) He may not last longer and fade away later on, but can be a crucial player for World Cup for the kind of balance & confidence he can bring in!
 
RamLakhan said:
As people discussed here Vijay Shankar is not a replacement for Pandya, but a good solution to India's No.4 spot! Especially for the coming world cup which is played in England! He is such a welcome & timely addition to current Indian team, as we literally have full headaches in our batting lineup after No.3...! With such brittle batting lineup he can easily get into the team and his bowling is a value bonus especially in England/World Cup! He has given a good late confidence booster to Indian team management (because we are seeing some issues in many areas), and it looks he is the one of the main results of all these experiments we did before the world cup!

While Vijay Shankar is timely solution to an ongoing problem, but only a stupid will think that he should be replaced with Pandya who is the product of continuous investment for a period of time (few years!). Pandya has definitely given that "balance" to the team! (to an extent that he was picked for Test matches! That speaks volumes! Idiots bark at this because he failed to reach their expectation which is not his problem!) Pandya has been scrutinized for the shortcomings of others (No.6 batsman & No.3 Seamer - that is actually a big responsibility! Even SENA nation cricketers who have reputation of producing alrounders do take some time/years to reach that level of responsibility!) I think he can easily handle the role of No.7 batsman with some consistency and No.4 seamer (at least better than others! It is not that we are producing such cricketers every day and night at ease to pass such lame comments at him!), but we are forced to use him as No.6 batsman & No.3 pacer to give balance to our team...

And mind you Vijay Shankar cannot give this kind of balance to the team, if you force it, then he may not even last longer & be in reckoning like Pandya! But at the moment Vijay Shankar may give that additional cushion to the team especially in the current World Cup as a support seamer & better No.4 batsman (unfortunately we have dearth of middle order batsmen going into this world cup which usually never happened to our team in last 1 or 2 decades!)

So India can improvise in their team composition and strengthen their bowling attack, with Shankar in the team we can easily have 2 regular seamers (Bumrah & Shami - if Bhuvi is not fit/in form, if Bhuvi is in form it strengthens our tail even more) and we can go with only Kuldeep and no Chahal (in England) & Kedar Jadhav will be enough as 2nd spinner (no need of Krunal Pandya, Jadeja, etc. They all can just be in the squad as backups!) because now both Vijay Shankar & Pandya will come into the equation of sharing 3rd Seamer spot, so we will easily have 10 overs (+another 5 to 10 overs) from them! This is just a perfect solution at least for the current world cup! At last we can feel some confidence with all the mess-ups in our team strategies of late!

So Vijay Shankar is a kind of magic player we just needed (like Joginder Sharma to win World Cup???) He may not last longer and fade away later on, but can be a crucial player for World Cup for the kind of balance & confidence he can bring in!
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In a way I have to thank COA/BCCI for temporarily banning Pandya which resulted in this surprise addition of Shankar. I read the reports about NCA's mismanagement in handling Pandya's back injury and I have no confidence if this lad will be fit enough to play IPL and the subsequent WC matches. Will have to wait and see!

No #4 spot - Shankar can make this spot his own, but what if Rayudu scores two or three 50s in the next 3 ODIs? Though I'm not fully sold on Rayudu's abilities as No#4 batsman, I have a feeling that he might sneak in with some slow paced 50s or a 100, and that'll be a big headache for selectors/TM. But if he doesn't, that will put an end to his cricketing career because the lad is not in the domestic scene anymore. I'm not praying for Rayudu's failures just to accommodate Shankar at #4, but if he fails in the next 3 ODIs, we can bid him a goodbye and let Shankar conquer that spot!

If Rayudu fails & Pandya is injured: Shankar will replace Rayudu at #4, and who would you want to see at #7? Jadeja may not be right fit for England pitches. Who are our alternatives and how do we balance this team out? Curious to know your thoughts on this.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Please calm down there and stop crying. Not sure why did you bring those useless test hundreds into discussion when we were talking about ODI's? Some of your friends wanted Shankar out of this team because he is a trundler it is then I said even he can perform like Pandya if he is given the same number of chances. May be I am not an expert in your eyes but why is team management not giving chances to a talented player like Pant in ODIs? :inti
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Again look at dhoni's early stats they clearly show what would have happened had he been dropped for non performance, I bring in the test stats because he is playing tests regularly there is no play 1 game dropped the next issue there and if a player can perform in tests in England and Australia that automatically proves that he isn't a hack which you call him.

Also you can't have the cake and eat it too, if according to you team management is smart and that it not picking pant shows he isn't good enough then you need to stop moaning about pandya since the same team management seems to rate him highly and picks him whenever he is available.
 
RamLakhan said:
As people discussed here Vijay Shankar is not a replacement for Pandya, but a good solution to India's No.4 spot! Especially for the coming world cup which is played in England! He is such a welcome & timely addition to current Indian team, as we literally have full headaches in our batting lineup after No.3...! With such brittle batting lineup he can easily get into the team and his bowling is a value bonus especially in England/World Cup! He has given a good late confidence booster to Indian team management (because we are seeing some issues in many areas), and it looks he is the one of the main results of all these experiments we did before the world cup!

While Vijay Shankar is timely solution to an ongoing problem, but only a stupid will think that he should be replaced with Pandya who is the product of continuous investment for a period of time (few years!). Pandya has definitely given that "balance" to the team! (to an extent that he was picked for Test matches! That speaks volumes! Idiots bark at this because he failed to reach their expectation which is not his problem!) Pandya has been scrutinized for the shortcomings of others (No.6 batsman & No.3 Seamer - that is actually a big responsibility! Even SENA nation cricketers who have reputation of producing alrounders do take some time/years to reach that level of responsibility!) I think he can easily handle the role of No.7 batsman with some consistency and No.4 seamer (at least better than others! It is not that we are producing such cricketers every day and night at ease to pass such lame comments at him!), but we are forced to use him as No.6 batsman & No.3 pacer to give balance to our team...

And mind you Vijay Shankar cannot give this kind of balance to the team, if you force it, then he may not even last longer & be in reckoning like Pandya! But at the moment Vijay Shankar may give that additional cushion to the team especially in the current World Cup as a support seamer & better No.4 batsman (unfortunately we have dearth of middle order batsmen going into this world cup which usually never happened to our team in last 1 or 2 decades!)

So India can improvise in their team composition and strengthen their bowling attack, with Shankar in the team we can easily have 2 regular seamers (Bumrah & Shami - if Bhuvi is not fit/in form, if Bhuvi is in form it strengthens our tail even more) and we can go with only Kuldeep and no Chahal (in England) & Kedar Jadhav will be enough as 2nd spinner (no need of Krunal Pandya, Jadeja, etc. They all can just be in the squad as backups!) because now both Vijay Shankar & Pandya will come into the equation of sharing 3rd Seamer spot, so we will easily have 10 overs (+another 5 to 10 overs) from them! This is just a perfect solution at least for the current world cup! At last we can feel some confidence with all the mess-ups in our team strategies of late!

So Vijay Shankar is a kind of magic player we just needed (like Joginder Sharma to win World Cup???) He may not last longer and fade away later on, but can be a crucial player for World Cup for the kind of balance & confidence he can bring in!
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Good post.

Though I believe we need to play both Chahal and Kuldeep.

It does make our tail long, starting at 8. But, in order to make our bating stronger, we would ask Jadhav to bowl 10 overs, and the extra batsman would be Rayudu ( assuming Shankar becomes the first choice #4).

Jhadhav, as decent a part timer he is, he doesn’t posses the guile of Chahal or Kuldeep. Also, Rayudu ain’t adding much with the bat.

So, we would be reducing our potency with the ball and not strengthening the batting to the same extent. I would rather we go with our current super strong bowling line up. Barring England, there is no other team that would score 280 against our full strength bowling line up - Bumrah + Bhuvi/ Shami + Kuldeep + Chahal + Pandya + part-timers Kedar Jhadhav and Vijay Shankar.
 
Sidilicious said:
Good post.

Though I believe we need to play both Chahal and Kuldeep.

It does make our tail long, starting at 8. But, in order to make our bating stronger, we would ask Jadhav to bowl 10 overs, and the extra batsman would be Rayudu ( assuming Shankar becomes the first choice #4).

Jhadhav, as decent a part timer he is, he doesn’t posses the guile of Chahal or Kuldeep. Also, Rayudu ain’t adding much with the bat.

So, we would be reducing our potency with the ball and not strengthening the batting to the same extent. I would rather we go with our current super strong bowling line up. Barring England, there is no other team that would score 280 against our full strength bowling line up - Bumrah + Bhuvi/ Shami + Kuldeep + Chahal + Pandya + part-timers Kedar Jhadhav and Vijay Shankar.
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Chahal didn't perform well in eng in 2018.
Playing two spinners will be a big risk i think we should go with bumrah, bhuvi, shami and kuldeep. It also strengths our tail.
 
Tyler Durden said:
In a way I have to thank COA/BCCI for temporarily banning Pandya which resulted in this surprise addition of Shankar. I read the reports about NCA's mismanagement in handling Pandya's back injury and I have no confidence if this lad will be fit enough to play IPL and the subsequent WC matches. Will have to wait and see!

No #4 spot - Shankar can make this spot his own, but what if Rayudu scores two or three 50s in the next 3 ODIs? Though I'm not fully sold on Rayudu's abilities as No#4 batsman, I have a feeling that he might sneak in with some slow paced 50s or a 100, and that'll be a big headache for selectors/TM. But if he doesn't, that will put an end to his cricketing career because the lad is not in the domestic scene anymore. I'm not praying for Rayudu's failures just to accommodate Shankar at #4, but if he fails in the next 3 ODIs, we can bid him a goodbye and let Shankar conquer that spot!

If Rayudu fails & Pandya is injured: Shankar will replace Rayudu at #4, and who would you want to see at #7? Jadeja may not be right fit for England pitches. Who are our alternatives and how do we balance this team out? Curious to know your thoughts on this.
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If Pandya is injured I will play Bhuvaneshwar as 3rd seamer and definitely won't play Shankar as 3rd seamer (I hope people understand the difference between the progress & difference between Shankar & Pandya at least with this case!) Also I won't play Shami as 3rd seamer (for ODIs) because that lengthens the tail... So Bhuvi will come into equation (Bhuvi can also play in place of Shami if he is in form with the ball in the first case I explained - Bumrah+Bhuvi+Pandya+Shankar+Kuldeep+Jadhav)

I hope Pandya plays for the WC and I don't want him to get injured in IPL (He can rest there and play odd matches) His physical fitness is more important than match fitness at the moment!

But you can also observe that still there is a vacant "batsman" spot at No.4 or No.5 which needs to be filled by a pure batsman not necessarily with bowling skills!

This is my ideal team:

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Shankar
_____ (No.4 or No.5 ???)
Dhoni (case lost now and he is fixed! I don't have much issues either to be honest! There are other bigger issues! Few things didn't get right to us actually, like Rahul's unfitting to middle order + his inconsistency, Pant's handling, DK's eclipses, etc)
Jadhav
Pandya
Bhuvaneshwar (or Shami)
Kuldeep
Bumrah

While Rahul (as substitute opener), Pant (keeper), Chahal (2nd Wrist spinner), Jadeja (as substitute fielder even if he doesn't play), Shami (substitute pacer) will be in the squad. If more are allowed then I will have Pandey (brilliant fielder and has the capacity/experience to play at top level), Umesh (worst case fast bowling option if everyone are injured), etc.

Those No.4 & No.5 spots were the big headaches for management of late (after Yuvaraj, Raina, Actual Dhoni, etc, all faded away!) Vijay seems to be a kind of answer to one of the spot, but the other one still remains which may again go to Rayudu/Karthik or do you want to play additional pacer or wrist spinner? I don't think we need additional bowler with both Pandya & Shankar in the team! I am guessing this WC as high scoring fests where England will be the best team which bats deep, so I want India to counter them with same ploy (batting deep with Pandya at No.8 and with full freedom to blast OR promoted up in the order occasionally if spinner is bowling! I don't mind Jadhav pushed down the order with lesser overs to bat as he is injury prone if he runs quickly in the middle overs! Let Jadhav concentrate more on his bowling also!)
 
Sidilicious said:
Good post.

Though I believe we need to play both Chahal and Kuldeep.

It does make our tail long, starting at 8. But, in order to make our bating stronger, we would ask Jadhav to bowl 10 overs, and the extra batsman would be Rayudu ( assuming Shankar becomes the first choice #4).

Jhadhav, as decent a part timer he is, he doesn’t posses the guile of Chahal or Kuldeep. Also, Rayudu ain’t adding much with the bat.

So, we would be reducing our potency with the ball and not strengthening the batting to the same extent. I would rather we go with our current super strong bowling line up. Barring England, there is no other team that would score 280 against our full strength bowling line up - Bumrah + Bhuvi/ Shami + Kuldeep + Chahal + Pandya + part-timers Kedar Jhadhav and Vijay Shankar.
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We have seen what happens if Chahal is played repeatedly! So I would rather pick him based on conditions (perhaps day matches against teams like South Africa/NZ which are susceptible against spinners! Definitely not against teams like Pakistan/WI) If the pitches are not high scoring/flat ones as you said, then I will definitely play 3 regular seamers (Bumrah, Bhuvi & Shami) at least in night games. Shankar's inclusion has opened up many options here! (You may not need 3rd seamer or 2nd wrist/regular spinner!), he will be definitely handy in English conditions! That's why I am repeatedly saying that we earned a late gold in our world cup preparation!
 
RamLakhan said:
If Pandya is injured I will play Bhuvaneshwar as 3rd seamer and definitely won't play Shankar as 3rd seamer (I hope people understand the difference between the progress & difference between Shankar & Pandya at least with this case!) Also I won't play Shami as 3rd seamer (for ODIs) because that lengthens the tail... So Bhuvi will come into equation (Bhuvi can also play in place of Shami if he is in form with the ball in the first case I explained - Bumrah+Bhuvi+Pandya+Shankar+Kuldeep+Jadhav)

I hope Pandya plays for the WC and I don't want him to get injured in IPL (He can rest there and play odd matches) His physical fitness is more important than match fitness at the moment!

But you can also observe that still there is a vacant "batsman" spot at No.4 or No.5 which needs to be filled by a pure batsman not necessarily with bowling skills!

This is my ideal team:

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Shankar
_____ (No.4 or No.5 ???)
Dhoni (case lost now and he is fixed! I don't have much issues either to be honest! There are other bigger issues! Few things didn't get right to us actually, like Rahul's unfitting to middle order + his inconsistency, Pant's handling, DK's eclipses, etc)
Jadhav
Pandya
Bhuvaneshwar (or Shami)
Kuldeep
Bumrah

While Rahul (as substitute opener), Pant (keeper), Chahal (2nd Wrist spinner), Jadeja (as substitute fielder even if he doesn't play), Shami (substitute pacer) will be in the squad. If more are allowed then I will have Pandey (brilliant fielder and has the capacity/experience to play at top level), Umesh (worst case fast bowling option if everyone are injured), etc.

Those No.4 & No.5 spots were the big headaches for management of late (after Yuvaraj, Raina, Actual Dhoni, etc, all faded away!) Vijay seems to be a kind of answer to one of the spot, but the other one still remains which may again go to Rayudu/Karthik or do you want to play additional pacer or wrist spinner? I don't think we need additional bowler with both Pandya & Shankar in the team! I am guessing this WC as high scoring fests where England will be the best team which bats deep, so I want India to counter them with same ploy (batting deep with Pandya at No.8 and with full freedom to blast OR promoted up in the order occasionally if spinner is bowling! I don't mind Jadhav pushed down the order with lesser overs to bat as he is injury prone if he runs quickly in the middle overs! Let Jadhav concentrate more on his bowling also!)
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You want jadhav and pandya to bowl 20 overs!!!
 
jagatk said:
You want jadhav and pandya to bowl 20 overs!!!
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Shankar is there to accompany them! And not all the matches! We can rotate accordingly! 2nd Wrist spinner can play on day matches against vulnerable opponents (SA/NZ/Aus, etc) 3rd Seamer can play in night matches against weary opponents like Pak/Ban/WI/Sri... In this way we can lessen the load on Jadhav/Pandya/Shankar and keep them fresh! It is precisely against England I want this kind of combination!

Also note that our 3rd seamer (whether it is Bhuvi/Shami/Umesh/Khaleel anyone) is not doing any better than Pandya most times! That's why we mostly had Pandya as 3rd seamer & 2 wrist spinners in most of our recent matches (even outside SC) which worked well, but then in some matches Jadhav seemed to have bowled better than Chahal (or appeared like Chahal is not required!)

So its all perception on papers that you may think Chahal is the regular spinner compared to Jadhav and Shami is the regular pacer compared to Pandya! England have got out of this perception and projected Moeen Ali as regular spinner and Stokes as regular pacer and a series of alrounders (we don't call them bits & pieces, isn't it?) That's why they have become very strong team in ODIs and believe chasing even 350+

Indians have to believe in their versions! In fact Indian bowling unit is much better than England actually (even if we play less regular bowlers! Because our main bowlers & support bowlers are superior than theirs!) So if we develop the kind of balance that England have got in their team, then we can really take them on (also our Top order batsmen are much superior than theirs!) It is only that dull middle order & tail where they can beat us (exploit us), that's where I am trying for rectification!

For added safety it may look well if the vacant No.4/No.5 batsman spot I mentioned to have some spin-bowling skills (like Yuvaraj/Raina), in that way we will have more options with the ball (Jadhav is hence preferred over DK/Rayudu) Also please note that I wouldn't have minded to play our regular bowlers if they were much better than Pandya & Jadhav (our Test team has better specialist bowlers where we actually play 5 bowlers mostly!) We got multiple evidences when Khaleel, Umesh, etc, failed to do anything better than Pandya (At least I hope now people understand the value of Pandya!) and Jadhav carrying the burden of Chahal's overs!

Once again I am repeating that Shankar has brought these equations into play! If he does well in his preferred conditions (England) then he will bright that additional balance to the team where we can omit the 2nd pure spinner & 3rd pure seamer! He is killing 3 spots (3 headaches!) at a time (4th/5th batsman, 2nd spinner, 3rd seamer!) That's why he is gold! I maybe overexcited about him and exaggerating, but we have no options because I don't seen any confidence with Rayudu/DK (and even Pant, the way we used him!)
 
JattMaula said:
That is disaster waiting to happen.

We don't need to copy England. Seven batters are enough.
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3rd seamer (Khaleel, Umesh) and Chahal (playing outside SC and if flat pitches) are not going to do any better than Pandya and Jadhav! And V.Shankar is bringing this confidence, let's see...
 
jagatk said:
You want jadhav and pandya to bowl 20 overs!!!
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You can note that they have almost done that (Pandya bowling almost 10 overs in the absence of 3rd seamer and with 2 wrist spinners combo! Jadhav almost bowling 10 overs in the presence of sluggish 3rd seamer like Umesh/Khaleel who at times couldn't bowl more than 6 overs or end up giving more than 70 runs if they bowled full 10 overs! Jadhav also looked more effective than Chahal in many matches especially played on flat pitches!) Now I want both of them (Pandya & Jadhav) in the team who handled the repair job (failures of 3rd regular seamer/spinner!) Let's see (Shankar is also there)

Unfortunately our 3rd seamer is not of the caliber of someone like Gillespie (to accompany Mc.Grath, Lee) and the 2nd spinner is not someone like at least Dharmasena supporting Muralitharan (who was not so dud like Chahal with the bat & fielding!)
 
RamLakhan said:
3rd seamer (Khaleel, Umesh) and Chahal (playing outside SC and if flat pitches) are not going to do any better than Pandya and Jadhav! And V.Shankar is bringing this confidence, let's see...
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Pandya can't be played as 4th bowler.

Jadhav is not a bowler at all. We can't really depend upon him to bowl regularly. Plus he is a major injury risk. Chahal was not effective vs England in England in few matches doesn't mean jadhav is better bowler. Shankar is very fine batter but he is the definition of cannon fodder bowling.

England play moeen because they don't have better spinner. Stokes is the only real all rounder England have. And remember that English team is yet to win any meaningful thing with 11 batters. One time they needed to bat deep in CT17 semi, They failed.

If we try to emulate England it will blow up in our face. Our bowlers are better but they look so threatening because all 5 of them build pressure and there is no weak link.
 
RamLakhan said:
Shankar is there to accompany them! And not all the matches! We can rotate accordingly! 2nd Wrist spinner can play on day matches against vulnerable opponents (SA/NZ/Aus, etc) 3rd Seamer can play in night matches against weary opponents like Pak/Ban/WI/Sri... In this way we can lessen the load on Jadhav/Pandya/Shankar and keep them fresh! It is precisely against England I want this kind of combination!

Also note that our 3rd seamer (whether it is Bhuvi/Shami/Umesh/Khaleel anyone) is not doing any better than Pandya most times! That's why we mostly had Pandya as 3rd seamer & 2 wrist spinners in most of our recent matches (even outside SC) which worked well, but then in some matches Jadhav seemed to have bowled better than Chahal (or appeared like Chahal is not required!)

So its all perception on papers that you may think Chahal is the regular spinner compared to Jadhav and Shami is the regular pacer compared to Pandya! England have got out of this perception and projected Moeen Ali as regular spinner and Stokes as regular pacer and a series of alrounders (we don't call them bits & pieces, isn't it?) That's why they have become very strong team in ODIs and believe chasing even 350+

Indians have to believe in their versions! In fact Indian bowling unit is much better than England actually (even if we play less regular bowlers! Because our main bowlers & support bowlers are superior than theirs!) So if we develop the kind of balance that England have got in their team, then we can really take them on (also our Top order batsmen are much superior than theirs!) It is only that dull middle order & tail where they can beat us (exploit us), that's where I am trying for rectification!

For added safety it may look well if the vacant No.4/No.5 batsman spot I mentioned to have some spin-bowling skills (like Yuvaraj/Raina), in that way we will have more options with the ball (Jadhav is hence preferred over DK/Rayudu) Also please note that I wouldn't have minded to play our regular bowlers if they were much better than Pandya & Jadhav (our Test team has better specialist bowlers where we actually play 5 bowlers mostly!) We got multiple evidences when Khaleel, Umesh, etc, failed to do anything better than Pandya (At least I hope now people understand the value of Pandya!) and Jadhav carrying the burden of Chahal's overs!

Once again I am repeating that Shankar has brought these equations into play! If he does well in his preferred conditions (England) then he will bright that additional balance to the team where we can omit the 2nd pure spinner & 3rd pure seamer! He is killing 3 spots (3 headaches!) at a time (4th/5th batsman, 2nd spinner, 3rd seamer!) That's why he is gold! I maybe overexcited about him and exaggerating, but we have no options because I don't seen any confidence with Rayudu/DK (and even Pant, the way we used him!)
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You are overrating Shankar here, more 2-3 overs from him is a disaster waiting to happen. Pandya and jadhav work well especially pandya does ok because the 2 Pacers and 2 spinners create so much pressure take 1 of the 4 out and they will be lambs for sacrifice in England. Our strength is 4 of our 5 bowlers being wicket takers changing it will be a big mistake.

England is the last team we should be emulating they have a batting lineup that can score 350+ every game and can chase any score, our strength lies in top 3 and a bowling attack. They sacrifice their bowling because their batting can cover it our batting can't. Jadhav, kl, pandya, Shankar are decent but they are nowhere near Morgan or buttler in quality.
 
jagatk said:
You are overrating Shankar here, more 2-3 overs from him is a disaster waiting to happen. Pandya and jadhav work well especially pandya does ok because the 2 Pacers and 2 spinners create so much pressure take 1 of the 4 out and they will be lambs for sacrifice in England. Our strength is 4 of our 5 bowlers being wicket takers changing it will be a big mistake.

England is the last team we should be emulating they have a batting lineup that can score 350+ every game and can chase any score, our strength lies in top 3 and a bowling attack. They sacrifice their bowling because their batting can cover it our batting can't. Jadhav, kl, pandya, Shankar are decent but they are nowhere near Morgan or buttler in quality.
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Seeing his batting he should not be competing with Pandya. He should be with Biriyani. Both Pandya and Shankar can play together.
 
It is great going with 5 bowlers but then 6 batsmen need to be very good which for India are not. Even with 5 bowlers, apart from Bumrah, everyone else just bleeds when there is a hint of aggression from the opposition batsmen. This team is only just about better than the CT 2017 team.
 
Watched the highlights of the second ODI last night and I have to say he looks like a very slick batsman. Good find from India.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Seeing his batting he should not be competing with Pandya. He should be with Biriyani. Both Pandya and Shankar can play together.
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Hackidu should be nowhere near the first 11, if next game shanker scores a 100 and another failure for hackidu and he should be toast as rahul will then be picked for last 2 ahead of him.
 
WengerOut said:
It is great going with 5 bowlers but then 6 batsmen need to be very good which for India are not. Even with 5 bowlers, apart from Bumrah, everyone else just bleeds when there is a hint of aggression from the opposition batsmen. This team is only just about better than the CT 2017 team.
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But we don't need 5 bowlers, its 4. The pacers are good but the 2 leggies are million times better than ashwin-jadeja CT 2017. Neither picked wickets on a regular basis unlike KulCha who might go for runs sometimes but always pick wickets.
 
jagatk said:
But we don't need 5 bowlers, its 4. The pacers are good but the 2 leggies are million times better than ashwin-jadeja CT 2017. Neither picked wickets on a regular basis unlike KulCha who might go for runs sometimes but always pick wickets.
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2 leggies was better just because of their novelty. Ashwin - Jadeja were not far off. Their genuine struggle was only against Asian teams. KulCha also struggle against Asian teams in terms of penetration. Add to that their tail-end batting and atrocious fielding. The total advantages are lessened. Plus Dhawan has regressed ( this is clearly not a form issue). Rohit not in form. IMO Yuvraj on one leg is better than Rayudu. All in all i don't feel very optimistic.
 
WengerOut said:
2 leggies was better just because of their novelty. Ashwin - Jadeja were not far off. Their genuine struggle was only against Asian teams. KulCha also struggle against Asian teams in terms of penetration. Add to that their tail-end batting and atrocious fielding. The total advantages are lessened. Plus Dhawan has regressed ( this is clearly not a form issue). Rohit not in form. IMO Yuvraj on one leg is better than Rayudu. All in all i don't feel very optimistic.
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Ashwin-Jadeja rarely picked wickets though even in last game you could see the big difference between jadeja and kuldeep, kuldeep did not have a great game but picked wickets and looked like picking wickets, jadeja never looked like he was going to pick wickets. Rest i can't disagree with but i feel the 2 leggies picking wickets covers for their lack of batting or not great fielding as if we want to win the WC we need to make sure we bowl teams out.
 
jagatk said:
You are overrating Shankar here, more 2-3 overs from him is a disaster waiting to happen. Pandya and jadhav work well especially pandya does ok because the 2 Pacers and 2 spinners create so much pressure take 1 of the 4 out and they will be lambs for sacrifice in England. Our strength is 4 of our 5 bowlers being wicket takers changing it will be a big mistake.

England is the last team we should be emulating they have a batting lineup that can score 350+ every game and can chase any score, our strength lies in top 3 and a bowling attack. They sacrifice their bowling because their batting can cover it our batting can't. Jadhav, kl, pandya, Shankar are decent but they are nowhere near Morgan or buttler in quality.
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You may be right, but at the same time it is true that we don't have any proper 3rd seamer in ODIs. In tests we have it! Even Umesh is effective in tests! That's why I don't want Pandya in our Test team in spite of him winning us 1 test match! He should just be surprisingly called for an odd test match which assists movement (as 4th seamer!) Using him for tests has affected his fitness! Pandya has done much better than any of our regular 3rd seamer if you have observed (But you may attribute that success to building pressure by 2 spinners! But at the same time the rest of 3rd seamers have struggled even in the presence of 2 spinners! At least I have observed all these scenarios!) Even Shami or Bhuvi if used as 3rd seamer have done poorly than Pandya, this after taking a considerable sample, please analyse! Our regular seamers have done well only if they are given new ball (Shami & Bhuvi) they will have a good first spell so that it gets balanced when they fail in middle and slog overs! Only Bumrah is the exception! So I can comfortably say that Pandya is our best 3rd seamer at the moment (in any conditions!) But you may have doubts against him now saying that he is not good enough as 4th bowler (when 1 regular spinner is dropped). Please don't mix up things!

I may slightly agree with you in the Jadhav/Chahal part though! But note that here we are discussing about 2nd spinner spot in ODIs (even in Tests most teams don't have a regular 2nd spinner!) Most teams actually pick their 2nd spinner (even 1st spinner sometimes) not a regular full-time spinner (he will be some kind of bits & piece, batsman-first type!) That's where I feel Jadhav is more than handy as 2nd spinner at least in non-SC conditions, so we don't need to play both Kuldeep & Chahal always! Imagine having both of them play in a day/night match in England under lights with wet ball!

But if you are still not convinced about this combo (I am bringing Shankar, the bowler as cushion to Bumrah+Bhuvi/Shami+Pandya+Kuldeep+Jadhav), then let us play an additional bowler in place of No.4 & No.5 batsman that I discussed in my previous posts and push the batting order 1 step higher.

Something like this if its OK:

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Shakar
Dhoni
Jadhav
Pandya
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Shami
Bumrah

At least we can get something out of the additional bowler at times (at least when pitch assists) even if he fails & becomes expensive! Our Additional batsman (Rayudu/DK..) are anyhow duds anywhere!

But definitely Pandya, Shankar & Jadhav are not passengers in this team like Rayudu, DK, Khaleel, Umesh (in ODIs) and even our current Dhoni (except sharp-stumpings & seniority face value!).
 
People had lot of things to say about Hardik Pandya as well. But generally if a cricketer with less than impressive stats make it to the National team, it means he is really good. Not surprising that he is bowling in 130s now.
 
RamLakhan said:
You may be right, but at the same time it is true that we don't have any proper 3rd seamer in ODIs. In tests we have it! Even Umesh is effective in tests! That's why I don't want Pandya in our Test team in spite of him winning us 1 test match! He should just be surprisingly called for an odd test match which assists movement (as 4th seamer!) Using him for tests has affected his fitness! Pandya has done much better than any of our regular 3rd seamer if you have observed (But you may attribute that success to building pressure by 2 spinners! But at the same time the rest of 3rd seamers have struggled even in the presence of 2 spinners! At least I have observed all these scenarios!) Even Shami or Bhuvi if used as 3rd seamer have done poorly than Pandya, this after taking a considerable sample, please analyse! Our regular seamers have done well only if they are given new ball (Shami & Bhuvi) they will have a good first spell so that it gets balanced when they fail in middle and slog overs! Only Bumrah is the exception! So I can comfortably say that Pandya is our best 3rd seamer at the moment (in any conditions!) But you may have doubts against him now saying that he is not good enough as 4th bowler (when 1 regular spinner is dropped). Please don't mix up things!

I may slightly agree with you in the Jadhav/Chahal part though! But note that here we are discussing about 2nd spinner spot in ODIs (even in Tests most teams don't have a regular 2nd spinner!) Most teams actually pick their 2nd spinner (even 1st spinner sometimes) not a regular full-time spinner (he will be some kind of bits & piece, batsman-first type!) That's where I feel Jadhav is more than handy as 2nd spinner at least in non-SC conditions, so we don't need to play both Kuldeep & Chahal always! Imagine having both of them play in a day/night match in England under lights with wet ball!

But if you are still not convinced about this combo (I am bringing Shankar, the bowler as cushion to Bumrah+Bhuvi/Shami+Pandya+Kuldeep+Jadhav), then let us play an additional bowler in place of No.4 & No.5 batsman that I discussed in my previous posts and push the batting order 1 step higher.

Something like this if its OK:

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Shakar
Dhoni
Jadhav
Pandya
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Shami
Bumrah

At least we can get something out of the additional bowler at times (at least when pitch assists) even if he fails & becomes expensive! Our Additional batsman (Rayudu/DK..) are anyhow duds anywhere!

But definitely Pandya, Shankar & Jadhav are not passengers in this team like Rayudu, DK, Khaleel, Umesh (in ODIs) and even our current Dhoni (except sharp-stumpings & seniority face value!).
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Cant fault that lineup, that would be my lineup against England and may be pak/bd where we don't want to take the risk of 2 leggies.
 
Today we can see the difference in having wicket takers vs darters.

Even though Kuldeep went for runs, he picked up a few wickers slowing the run rate down. Aus could have been closer to 350, but finished at 313. Jadeja gave away runs and didn't take any wickets, and Shankar also is not a like to like to replacement for Pandya. Shankar can bowl a few overs here and there, but cannot be entrusted with 10 overs in flat conditions.
 
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The 3 wicket takers (Bumrah/Chahal/Kuldeep) plus Bhuvi/Shami create enough pressure with the ball, that allows our 5th bowler Pandya and Jhadhav to thrive.

When we don't take enough wickets, our 5th bowlers also struggle.
 
Let's see.

He needs to justify his place.

Really think a world cup spot was handed to him as a gift on basis of one series only where he was okay at best.

Yuvraj even today is better than Shankar.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Let's see.

He needs to justify his place.

Really think a world cup spot was handed to him as a gift on basis of one series only where he was okay at best.

Yuvraj even today is better than Shankar.
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India needs 6 bowlers bare minimum. Either it has to be Jadhav or Shankar.
 
Comes across as a harmless trundler with little ability with the bat. Hope he can prove me wrong.
 
Mp812 said:
He is Robin Singh types. Can surprise and help win a game out of blue when least expected
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He had done well for India A and his strategy. He was decent even for India. First time
In England. Can happen.
He is a better batsman than that.
 
Cemented legend status today :afridi:

A PP hall of famer in the annals of "guys Pakistan made look good"
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Cemented legend status today :afridi:

A PP hall of famer in the annals of "guys Pakistan made look good"
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This was his first match in England and he has bowled well in this match. Not a show off like that other allrounder but we should invest in him and give him as many chances as Pandya. :inti
 
He bowled well today. But more is expected from him with the bat. Did not do what was required today.
 
Sidilicious said:
He bowled well today. But more is expected from him with the bat. Did not do what was required today.
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I think it was Pandya who came on to bat at 4 to finish the inning? Vijay is not a finisher but Pandya is according to fans. He should have stayed there till the end. Pandya having played so many matches in England so far should have shown some maturity. These are the type of situations which separates bits and pieces players from true allrounders. :inti
 
His bowling lacks pace on flat pitches he will get massacred by better batsmen. Nevertheless well done for today.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I think it was Pandya who came on to bat at 4 to finish the inning? Vijay is not a finisher but Pandya is according to fans. He should have stayed there till the end. Pandya having played so many matches in England so far should have shown some maturity. These are the type of situations which separates bits and pieces players from true allrounders. :inti
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What does this have to do with Pandya? He might not be a finisher, but he is a batsman. After the 40th over, I expect better from a batsman, whatever his role.

Pandya did a decent job. He could have done better, but 26 of 19 was fine. He had already done the job against Aus.

Also, Shankar is not competing with Pandya for the AR spot. Shankar is competing with Karthik and KL (with a fit Shikar) for the no.4 spot.
 
It was his first match on big stage and boy! He made it count! Such an asset to Indian team in the current scenario when chips are down with Bhuvi's injury. Imagine if we had DK in his place today and India would've lost the plot with Kedhar at the other end. Is he the only Indian bowler in the history to pick a wicket on first ball of his WC debut match? He's a hard working cricketer and will only get better from here. We can in fact take Jadeja in place of Jadhav if Shankar continues to pick 1 or 2 wickets in the middle and plays good at #4. Did I tell you he's a fantastic fielder too? The future looks bright for Shankar and India! Kudos my boy!
 
Sidilicious said:
What does this have to do with Pandya? He might not be a finisher, but he is a batsman. After the 40th over, I expect better from a batsman, whatever his role.

Pandya did a decent job. He could have done better, but 26 of 19 was fine. He had already done the job against Aus.

Also, Shankar is not competing with Pandya for the AR spot. Shankar is competing with Karthik and KL (with a fit Shikar) for the no.4 spot.
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What does this have to do with Pandya? Watch the match first before quoting me. He was sent before Dhoni and Shankar. And here you were complaining he didn't do what was expected from him lol. This is his first match in England. :inti
 
A decent player but not a long term player for India. Hardik is the long term all rounder. India will find better top order players so there's not much use for him.
 
memorable WC outing vs Pak today but sterner tests to come.

BTW, How good is Pandya's bowling? His hitting prowess & zip off the surface has gone through the roof it seems within a short period of time.

Is this the same lanky boy kohli & msd shepherded early through his career? how has he grown, both in confidence & stature.
 
Hasan123 said:
A decent player but not a long term player for India. Hardik is the long term all rounder. India will find better top order players so there's not much use for him.
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So he is not a long term player but Pandya is? You would have jumped on me if I had said the same about Pandya lol. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
So he is not a long term player but Pandya is? You would have jumped on me if I had said the same about Pandya lol. :inti
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Pandya is a long term player.

You don't need to believe me. Ask Dhoni why he stuck with him first and them why Kohli is giving him more responsibility. I'm sure Kohli and Dhoni know more about cricket than us. :)
 
Hasan123 said:
Pandya is a long term player.

You don't need to believe me. Ask Dhoni why he stuck with him first and them why Kohli is giving him more responsibility. I'm sure Kohli and Dhoni know more about cricket than us. :)
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Vijay Shankar is also in the team. May be Kohli and team management also believe in him? He was preferred over Rayudu and also performed well against Australia in the home series. :inti
 
Shankar is a hack. His inning was so bad. What was he thinking, he wasn't. He got lucky with the wickets. Less said about his sloppy fielding the better.

Another Sanjay bangar/JP yadav in the making. Should be booted ASAP.
 
T Bone said:
Shankar is a hack. His inning was so bad. What was he thinking, he wasn't. He got lucky with the wickets. Less said about his sloppy fielding the better.

Another Sanjay bangar/JP yadav in the making. Should be booted ASAP.
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you clearly watched a different match. After Bhuvi he was the most accurate Indian seamer which was rewarded with 2 wickets. Besides he is not a slogger who can score 25 runs 15 balls. He was slated to come at 4. Pushed further down ended up facing the best bowler most of the time. Still 15 in 15 is not that terrible. How is his fielding bad? He did well
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Vijay Shankar is also in the team. May be Kohli and team management also believe in him? He was preferred over Rayudu and also performed well against Australia in the home series. :inti
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If they had to pick between Pandya and Shankar we know who they would pick.

I just think Hardik is a good player. You just want the world to believe that Shankar is vastly superior which is there 0 evidence of.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
What does this have to do with Pandya? Watch the match first before quoting me. He was sent before Dhoni and Shankar. And here you were complaining he didn't do what was expected from him lol. This is his first match in England. :inti
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Pandya is there as an AR. Shankar is there as a batsman. You can hear the facts from the selectors. Shankar is in place of Rayudu, not as a backup for Pandya.

So, yes. I expect from Shankar the batsman.
 
I am still in disbelief that this guy has been picked. Not cut for international cricket. Looks like a lamb lost in a slaughterhouse.
 
Hasan123 said:
If they had to pick between Pandya and Shankar we know who they would pick.

I just think Hardik is a good player. You just want the world to believe that Shankar is vastly superior which is there 0 evidence of.
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Not sure why you have to put words in my mouth when you can't even debate properly here? I just said that Vijay Shankar deserves as many chances as Pandya to establish himself. So far he has done well in whatever chances he got. It seems you have a birth right to think that Pandya is a good player where as I don't have any right to say the same about Shankar.

May be Shankar should get some tattoos, wear a gold chain and color his hair blue so that fans can also start to take him seriously. Kids these days do prefer showbaazi.

Pandya hasn't done any justice to the hype created by his die hard fans here. He is way below Shakib, Holder and Ben Stokes but he is made to look better than them by his fans. :inti
 
Shankar has done well as batsman and bowler in WC so far,Hi bowling against pak was good.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Not sure why you have to put words in my mouth when you can't even debate properly here? I just said that Vijay Shankar deserves as many chances as Pandya to establish himself. So far he has done well in whatever chances he got. It seems you have a birth right to think that Pandya is a good player where as I don't have any right to say the same about Shankar.

May be Shankar should get some tattoos, wear a gold chain and color his hair blue so that fans can also start to take him seriously. Kids these days do prefer showbaazi.

Pandya hasn't done any justice to the hype created by his die hard fans here. He is way below Shakib, Holder and Ben Stokes but he is made to look better than them by his fans. :inti
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Why does Shankar deserve so much chances? For scoring a 40 odd against Australia? He is only in the team due to injury anyway so he will get chances.

Who told you I prefer all those tattoos and stuff ? I don't care about that stuff. Anyone can see Hardik is a better player. Has better accelerate and more shot range with the bat. And also offers more with the ball. Lol even got 2 wickets against Afghanistan on a slow and low pitch.

I never said he was up there with those players. Who is now putting words in my mouth ?

Also Holder is good in tests but nothing speical in ODIs.
 
DRsohail said:
Shankar has done well as batsman and bowler in WC so far,Hi bowling against pak was good.
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Rubbish. He's done poorly as a batsman. Can't connect the ball with the bat to save his life. With the ball, he bowled in only one game and showed no signs of skill. Gun barrel straight trundling.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Rubbish. He's done poorly as a batsman. Can't connect the ball with the bat to save his life. With the ball, he bowled in only one game and showed no signs of skill. Gun barrel straight trundling.
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Scored 15 not out and 29 on difficult pitch,took two wickets dont know if that was a good attempt or not but
I will take two top order wickets.
 
DRsohail said:
Scored 15 not out and 29 on difficult pitch,took two wickets dont know if that was a good attempt or not but
I will take two top order wickets.
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Context - 15 off 15 in the final 5 overs with a strong platform set by other players. Difference between getting to 350+ vs 330. 29 was off 40+ - as a number 4.

Sarfraz is not a top order wicket and Imam was fooled by the lack of movement after he played 4 away going deliveries from Bhuvi.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Not sure why you have to put words in my mouth when you can't even debate properly here? I just said that Vijay Shankar deserves as many chances as Pandya to establish himself. So far he has done well in whatever chances he got. It seems you have a birth right to think that Pandya is a good player where as I don't have any right to say the same about Shankar.

May be Shankar should get some tattoos, wear a gold chain and color his hair blue so that fans can also start to take him seriously. Kids these days do prefer showbaazi.

Pandya hasn't done any justice to the hype created by his die hard fans here. He is way below Shakib, Holder and Ben Stokes but he is made to look better than them by his fans. :inti
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+1
 
He is considered as a batsman of high pedigree with good temperament. Not sure about his bowling though
 
BreadPakoda said:
Rubbish. He's done poorly as a batsman. Can't connect the ball with the bat to save his life. With the ball, he bowled in only one game and showed no signs of skill. Gun barrel straight trundling.
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Lol what? He showed no signs of skill? Its pretty clear Kohli has no confidence in him. He was the one who gave india a breakthrough against Pakistan. Shankar is in the team because he performed against Australia both with bat and ball in our home series. :inti
 
Surya Kiran said:
He is considered as a batsman of high pedigree with good temperament. Not sure about his bowling though
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How many matches he has won for his IPL team and India with his batting talent?.I would rather punt on Pant even if it is risky one ,becoz KLR,Vijay,Dhoni,Kedar all look similar type of batsmen with no clear differentiator making our batting line up one dimensional.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Lol what? He showed no signs of skill? Its pretty clear Kohli has no confidence in him. He was the one who gave india a breakthrough against Pakistan. Shankar is in the team because he performed against Australia both with bat and ball in our home series. :inti
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Kaptaan sab mocked him when he picked that crucial wicket of Imam while Rohit had genuinely praised him for his effort and patted his back. Sab didn't even have the confidence in Vijay to give an over during the match against AFG despite they thrashed Pandya in the 1st over. Such is the double standards of King Kohli! He thinks Pandya is some Kallis with the ball. :))
 
sivanand82 said:
How many matches he has won for his IPL team and India with his batting talent?.I would rather punt on Pant even if it is risky one ,becoz KLR,Vijay,Dhoni,Kedar all look similar type of batsmen with no clear differentiator making our batting line up one dimensional.
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I don't know about his IPL success, but he sure did win a couple of matches for his international team against likes of AUS, NZ and PAK within the limited opportunities he got while Pant managed to throw his wicket away and missed crucial stumpings and turned out to be one of the reasons for India's loss in the Aus series in the decider match! That answered your question about the TALENT!
 
Vijay shankar

I dont know much about this guy. All I know is everytime I see him bat:

- He cannot bat
- He cannot bowl
- He cannot field


However one thing he consistently does:

- The typical Indian shake of the head.


Now to the question:

- How is this clown in the team ? Is he related to one of the selectors ?
Can an Indian fan give me some details on how this guy makes the Indian side ?
 
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