"I am bowling at around 145 kph consistently" : Mohammad Talha

[Zero]

Yadav and Junaid are of a similar pace.
Junaid consistently hits the 140s in ODIs, not in Tests though.
Yadav is the same, I believe.

 

[Buffet]

Yadav and Junaid are of a similar pace.
Junaid consistently hits the 140s in ODIs, not in Tests though.
Yadav is the same, I believe.

They are noticeably different when it comes to maintaining high speed in test matches. I have never seen Junaid bowling at 88-89 MPH for the entire Test match. He is a notch slower.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is Huge Different between Sharjah Pitch and Australian Pitches

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNW_YgBxEyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E8OcnkFU1Q‎

Shoaib Akthar at his Peak

Bowling around in between 140-145kph on Sharjah Pitch

Junaid Khan was Ave 138-139kph in Dubai and Abu Dhabi in his first spell

Today he was Ave 133-134kph in Morning

Talha is Capable of Bowling 143-144kph

Mohd Shami is More of Junaid Khan pace

Check Shami's speeds vs WI in India series his avg speed was 139-140ks and top speed was around. 145ks.Talha was bowling similar pace.

Umesh Yadav was Consistently Bowling at 138-142kph Recently against SA in ODI Series

Ave Speed was 140kph

150kph is To Much Mate

i feel Yadav is Better test Class Bowler than how Good he is in Limited Over,s Cricket

In the ODI that Yadav played his top speed was around 148ks and avg around 142ks.IDK which ODI you watched.

Without going into exact figures and range, I think Johnson bowled 2-3 spells in Ashes which I see as express. A touch slower than Akhtar/Lee but faster than genuine fast bowlers. I will bracket Yadav as a genuine fast bowler.

Express bowlers are supposed to be rare.

No one today bowls in Lee-Akhtar range.They would bowl entire spell at over 150ks and i mean almost every ball.Johnson bowled between 145 to 155 ks.Most of his balls were around 148ks and few balls over 150ks.Very quick but not Lee-Akhtar class.

I have seen him with 88-89 MPH average speed on flattish Indian wickets against WI for the entire test. You don't need to always bowl at that range but only genuine fast bowlers can maintain that average speed on flatter wickets. He has bowled genuine fast but never at express pace. That's how I see it.

Putting few balls at high speed is not really a sign of a genuine fast or an express bowler.



A decent definition. You do need to bowl few spells at 92-95 to be called an express. It has to be few spells not few balls.

Yadav bowled almost express pace in Australia just like Johnson.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yadav and Junaid are of a similar pace.
Junaid consistently hits the 140s in ODIs, not in Tests though.
Yadav is the same, I believe.

Yadav is atleast couple of yards quicker than Junaid or Talha.Talha is more like Mohammad Shami's pace.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Two fast bowlers in the team only. Sharja pitch. Extremely flat. Comeback game. Defensive captain. Bowling first, he of course had to strain him self in. Still even then he was fastest bowler and looked to have some serious wheels. Can't wait to see him on a pacy lively wicket.

 

[Buffet]

Umesh Yadav Was 90mph Around Before Injury

Well, in future, if he bowls lot slower in test matches all the time then I won't call him a genuine fast but for now I bracket him as a genuine fast. Not sure why Dhoni didn't play him in any tests in SA.

I don't know other names from India but Indians have not produced any genuine fast bowler apart from Yadav. Yaah, people will give examples of few bowlers but you do need to maintain a high speed for the entire test match or series. You don't need to do it each series but keep doing it time to time specially on flatter wickets. On Asian wickets, it comes handy.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Yadav is atleast couple of yards quicker than Junaid or Talha.Talha is more like Mohammad Shami's pace.

This is the first time you've ever seen Talha.

You haven't seen him bowl before so you cannot say he is Shami's pace.

Don't compare our bowlers to Indian ones, just don't.

 

[HASHAM2]

Check Shami's speeds vs WI in India series his avg speed was 139-140ks and top speed was around. 145ks.Talha was bowling similar pace.



In the ODI that Yadav played his top speed was around 148ks and avg around 142ks.IDK which ODI you watched.
.

Junaid Khan Ave speed also has been Same in recent time,s 138-140kph like Shami

I Still Remember Junaid Khan Bowled Spell vs SA in Centurion or Durban early this year

he Was Consistently Bowling 142-145kph

i watched Durban Odi

 

[Buffet]

No one today bowls in Lee-Akhtar range.They would bowl entire spell at over 150ks and i mean almost every ball.Johnson bowled between 145 to 155 ks.Most of his balls were around 148ks and few balls over 150ks.Very quick but not Lee-Akhtar class.

True, Johnson is not as fast as Lee/Akhar but he did bowl few spell with an average speed of around 150 KPH. I saw his all spells in the first 3 tests.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well, in future, if he bowls lot slower in test matches all the time then I won't call him a genuine fast but for now I bracket him as a genuine fast. Not sure why Dhoni didn't play him in any tests in SA.

I don't know other names from India but Indians have not produced any genuine fast bowler apart from Yadav. Yaah, people will give examples of few bowlers but you do need to maintain a high speed for the entire test match or series. You don't need to do it each series but keep doing it time to time specially on flatter wickets. On Asian wickets, it comes handy.

Umesh Yadav Was 90mph Around Before Injury

But after Back injury (Which Happened to him in between England and India test series)

he is Now 138-141kph Average Fast Bowler like Junaid khan

Will Love to see veron aaron Bowling at 90mph

i heard Arron also Can Bowl Fast

According to Cricinfo

Umesh Yadav is Medium Fast

Junaid Khan,Mohd Irfan,Wahab Riaz and Mitch Johnson are Left arm Fast

Dale Steyn,Morne Morkel,Tino Best Right arm fast

Umesh Yadav according to Cricinfo (Right arm Medium fast)

Where did you see Umesh Yadav bowling at 138-141ks?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/engine/match/648655.html?view=hawkeye

Even in ODIs where he normally bowls slower to get control he is avging 87+MPH with fastest ball of 148ks.Yadav is easily quicker than Junaid or Talha.

And please dont tell me what cricinfo lists,it makes serious errors with such listings.

 

[amax]

Yadav is atleast couple of yards quicker than Junaid or Talha.Talha is more like Mohammad Shami's pace.

when was the last time he played a full test, let him play couple of consecutive tests before putting him in certain speed bracket.

 

[HASHAM2]

Umesh Yadav Speed in Durban Odi early this year (Sources Cricinfo)

last over

1st ball 85mph
2nd ball 83.2
3rd 82.9
4th 86.7
5th 87.3
6th 87.9

Overall Yadav Ave Pace in Durban odi was 86mph

His Fastest was 90mph in Durban Odi

 

[cricketjoshila]

when was the last time he played a full test, let him play couple of consecutive tests before putting him in certain speed bracket.

He has played ODIs and has bowled over 90MPH.Lots of players like Milne or Cummins haent played test but are still put in certain speed bracket.

 

[amax]

He has played ODIs and has bowled over 90MPH.Lots of players like Milne or Cummins haent played test but are still put in certain speed bracket.

RF, RFM, LF is always decided on tests, so you have to wait.

 

[HASHAM2]

Where did you see Umesh Yadav bowling at 138-141ks?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/engine/match/648655.html?view=hawkeye

Even in ODIs where he normally bowls slower to get control he is avging 87+MPH with fastest ball of 148ks.Yadav is easily quicker than Junaid or Talha.

And please dont tell me what cricinfo lists,it makes serious errors with such listings.

Sir there is Huge different between Centurion Pitch and Sharjah Pitch

 

[cricketjoshila]

Umesh Yadav Speed in Durban Odi early this year (Sources Cricinfo)

last over

1st ball 85mph
2nd ball 83.2
3rd 82.9
4th 86.7
5th 87.3
6th 87.9

Overall Yadav Ave Pace in Durban odi was 86mph

His Fastest was 90mph in Durban Odi

I just posted the speeds of his in 3rd ODI.He was avging 140 plus there fastest of 91.3MPH.

He is quicker than Junaid or Talha.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sir there is Huge different between Centurion Pitch and Sharjah Pitch

Sir

Yadav made his entire career playing on Mumbai pitches.

 

[Buffet]

Where did you see Umesh Yadav bowling at 138-141ks?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/engine/match/648655.html?view=hawkeye

Even in ODIs where he normally bowls slower to get control he is avging 87+MPH with fastest ball of 148ks.

I didn't know that you can see these in graphical forms. Do all matches have this?

I wasn't watching SA-Indian series. So, Yadav bowled only 1-2 balls below 85 MPH even in ODIs. He is still bowling in genuine fast category but I mainly look at test matches. If bowlers do it on flatter wickets then that tells you a lot about bowlers who could maintain a high average speed in all conditions.

 

[cricketjoshila]

RF, RFM, LF is always decided on tests, so you have to wait.

He has already played tests and according to that he is RF.

 

[HASHAM2]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013/engine/match/567369.html?view=hawkeye

Check this Cricket J

Junaid Khan Speed

Consistently in between 87-89mph

Unlike Yadav one bowl at 83mph next at 88mph

Fastest 91mph

 

[cricketjoshila]

I didn't know that you can see these in graphical forms. Do all matches have this?

I wasn't watching SA-Indian series. So, Yadav bowled only 1-2 balls below 85 MPH even in ODIs. He is still bowling in genuine fast category but I mainly look at test matches. If bowlers do it on flatter wickets then that tells you a lot about bowlers who could maintain a high average speed in all conditions.

Most matches where there is hawkeye has these.It was very incorrect earlier and cricinfo speed used to vary from the speed shown on TV.But since last 18 months CI has improved and now mostly speeds match.

I hope Dhoni has the brains to play Yadav in tests in place of Ishant Sharma.

I seriously wonder how other bowlers get injured but Ishant doesnt and we cant seem to get rid of him.

 

[cricketjoshila]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013/engine/match/567369.html?view=hawkeye

Check this Cricket J

Junaid Khan Speed

Consistently in between 87-89mph

Unlike Yadav one bowl at 83mph next at 88mph

Fastest 91mph

Have you gone nuts.Yadav hardly bowls a ball below 85 MPH.Even in his comeback 2 games he was quick.Junaid and Talha are couple of miles slower than him.You would be hard pressed to find a test match where Yadav doesnt avg over 87MPH i wonder whether Junaid managed that.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Umesh Yadav may be quicker, but we all know who is a better bowler.

 

[Myrmidon]

Have you gone nuts.Yadav hardly bowls a ball below 85 MPH.Even in his comeback 2 games he was quick.Junaid and Talha are couple of miles slower than him.You would be hard pressed to find a test match where Yadav doesnt avg over 87MPH i wonder whether Junaid managed that.

The link Hasham posted, Junaid has a few 89.9MPH deliveries while being consistently 85-89 MPH consistently, so think he can manage it

 

[cricketjoshila]

The link Hasham posted, Junaid has a few 89.9MPH deliveries while being consistently 85-89 MPH consistently, so think he can manage it

Thats one match.Yadav manages that in tests.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

lol people arguing over umesh and talha. How about adding wahab riaz into this discussion? He bowls around with the same pace as johnson and look who is the real deal? Pace isn't always everything. You need control and variation too which johnson has. Umesh and wahab have pace but they are useless. They haven't done anything special in whatever opportunities they have got.

 

[yasir]

lol people arguing over umesh and talha. How about adding wahab riaz into this discussion? He bowls around with the same pace as johnson and look who is the real deal? Pace isn't always everything. You need control and variation too which johnson has. Umesh and wahab have pace but they are useless. They haven't done anything special in whatever opportunities they have got.

This is the first time I saw Johnson bowl as a raw pace weapon, he was used as we used Akthar (short hostile spells 4 overs) attacking the batsmen. Also he did not bowl a single ball below 90 in many spells. Australia had a plan, they were not looking for swing/ seam from him just raw pace and terror...

Pakistan need to learn from that and stop fixing Wahab's wrist let him bowl fast and bowl his natural length when he does that he is lot more affective... Fast bowlers need to bowl fast, bowl at their favorite length, this was how Waqar was made and so were he WI pace battery, they focus on hurting the batsmen by master particular length. Waqar focused on bowling Yorkers and bouncers with older ball...

Fast bowling is a strategy, which we now have completely lost, since we find it too hard to manage, we want them to focus on line length rather than pace, the very reason these guys play cricket... As a fast bowler you love beating the bat. Fly deliveries off the length, hitting rib cage, crushing toes, these were the reason to be a fast bowler, and that should be the focus... Seamer skill (line/length, using seam) will come but you just cannot loose the sole of fast bowling... Over coaching has killed the spirit of fast bowling...

With Johnson AUSES did not care about swing/ seam, just bowl fast, bowl straight and target the body ( not even stumps )... He expressed his natural strength and everybody enjoyed... This is how it should be!!!


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[razabbas]

lol people arguing over umesh and talha. How about adding wahab riaz into this discussion? He bowls around with the same pace as johnson and look who is the real deal? Pace isn't always everything. You need control and variation too which johnson has. Umesh and wahab have pace but they are useless. They haven't done anything special in whatever opportunities they have got.

Exactly another example tino best , feiled edwards

 

[Bilal7]

lol people arguing over umesh and talha. How about adding wahab riaz into this discussion? He bowls around with the same pace as johnson and look who is the real deal? Pace isn't always everything. You need control and variation too which johnson has. Umesh and wahab have pace but they are useless. They haven't done anything special in whatever opportunities they have got.

Agreed. Both Riaz and Yadav are in the same class as Sami. Can be deadly once in a blue moon but are spray-guns most of the time. Yadav's economy rate is laughable to be honest.

 

[Kianig89]

lol people arguing over umesh and talha. How about adding wahab riaz into this discussion? He bowls around with the same pace as johnson and look who is the real deal? Pace isn't always everything. You need control and variation too which johnson has. Umesh and wahab have pace but they are useless. They haven't done anything special in whatever opportunities they have got.

Agreed. Both Riaz and Yadav are in the same class as Sami. Can be deadly once in a blue moon but are spray-guns most of the time. Yadav's economy rate is laughable to be honest.

atleast has a best performance in WC knock out game losing cause but what has poor Umesh achieved ah! may be a good last over in an IPL game

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

atleast has a best performance in WC knock out game losing cause but what has poor Umesh achieved ah! may be a good last over in an IPL game

5-fer in a test match against aus in aus. But that's it.

 

[Kianig89]

5-fer in a test match against aus in aus. But that's it.

Ok Wahab also had a 5fer against Eng @ Oval

 

[Fadi fan]

Bowling with speed and passion atm

 

[Electron]

Most of his deliveries are in harmless 130s .. and the fastest ones touch 141-142 .. Nowhere close to consistant 145.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

whats happened to him

 

[LegendInzi]

No pace. No swing. No variation. Copying Waqar Younis won't make you one.

 

[Haripotter]

Indians always have a great knack of making luloo's look real good

 

[Kianig89]

May be he was not fully fit or dont know

 

[IJWBS]

Anamul Haque finished the careers of both Mohammad Talha and Varun Aaron in the same tournament.

 

[Barragan]

This guy is crap!

I don't know why Ind made him look so good but this guy has nothing to offer.

Btw, he only bowls around 135-140kph and people call him "phasst".

 

[Down2Earth]

People have already forgotten how well he bowled 2 days ago

 

[yasir]

Over the top reaction from fans...

He is a good bowler, did not bowl well today... Why he did not bowl fast? His avg was 140 today it was in low 130s, why?

I am worried about his confidence after this game... Gul and Ajmal were also poor at death



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[Xoib]

This guy is crap!

I don't know why Ind made him look so good but this guy has nothing to offer.

Btw, he only bowls around 135-140kph and people call him "phasst".

he had a good test vs SL and followed it up with a good odi debut one poor game does not make you awful.

 

[Haz95]

I don't see the hype behind this guy to be honest. He seems mediocre, isn't a consistent 145+ as he claims and is another spray gun it seems
For Maximum effect in tests
Sadaf Hussain opening the bowling with Talha/Junaid
Wahab Riaz bowling full throttle 145kph+ using full energy in short bursts to mentally damage the batsman and physically and do a Johnson(wahab is the only aggressive pacer..stares at batsmen, throws ball back etc. etc.)
Spinners doing their thing

 

[Mamoon]

Unfortunately, just not good enough. As average as they come.

Wahab should replace him at the SSC.

 

[bilawal666]

very average run-up and action, not impressed with Talha unfortunately.

 

[Mamoon]

Good observation. He doesn't have a rhythmic, fluent action and his run up is not smooth.

All over the place, very ordinary bowler.

 

[Fastandfurious]

Overrated, over hyped by PP mediocre club bowler. It's pathetic Pakistan is letting these type of bowlers play. A guy I know can ball faster than this guy.

 

[speed]

Street bowler, bring in wahab next game at least he has pace.

 

[razabbas]

Brin wahab or try sadaf ordriny bowler

 

[AZulfi]

but you are an ordinary bowler at international level!!

You lack wicket-taking ability just like Junaid (not more than decent), Sadaf and many others

 

[Square Drive]

Can't believe you guys forgot the Sharjah Test so fast.

 

[AZulfi]

That was a one-off performance.

 

[Fastandfurious]

Can't believe you guys forgot the Sharjah Test so fast.

That was nothing special either. He didn't blow out the team or showed extra pace/swing.

 

[Square Drive]

That was a one-off performance.

That was nothing special either. He didn't blow out the team or showed extra pace/swing.

Puh-leez, it's only his 5th international game. If anything, this is a one-off performance.

 

[Usman]

I haven't seen the highlights today but this guy bowled with pace, accuracy and bounce the last time I saw him and he was very promising indeed. I take it he didn't look anything special today but perhaps that was the pitch and the conditions? Remember Anderson looks like Mohammed SamI on flat decks.

 

[Boi]

Very disappointed with his pace. Even Junaid has filled up and managed to bowl consistently at 140 while Talha was trundling at times. Needs serious work with his action and I see some hope with Waqar there as coach.

 

[Ahson8]

At least let the game finish you guys..

He wasn't all that impressive today but there are 3 days to go. He might end up with a 5-fer.

 

[MRSN]

Disappointed so far..

 

[Desi]

Wow PP, some of the criticism here is completely over the top. You have the right to judge his previous performances, however you must leave the current test out of it. He hasn't even bowled 10 overs yet...

 

[Arsal_AK]

Forget everything but what has happened to his pace?? Junaid was consistently hitting 140 plus while he was trundling around 135-136.

 

[Random Aussie]

Wow PP, some of the criticism here is completely over the top. You have the right to judge his previous performances, however you must leave the current test out of it. He hasn't even bowled 10 overs yet...

Well, when you come in in the media and talk up how fast you bowl, then you come out in a real game and bowl 10k slower, you deserve the criticism.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Well, when you come in in the media and talk up how fast you bowl, then you come out in a real game and bowl 10k slower, you deserve the criticism.

Moeen got exactly the same criticism when he didn't deliver on his doosra

Ir's only natural

 

[Cover_Drive]

He isn't that quick both him and Junaid hit the 140's basically normal pace from your frontline seamers, though it's far too quick to brush Talha of yet (have to wait for a larger sample size) though I must admit I am no fan of his "rugged" action it's just too awkward.

Needs to smoothen his run up, not let his left hand just drop as he bowls, keep his head straight on point of when he releases the ball and get in line with the stumps. Just some of the things he needs to work on.

But let him work with Waqar and see how he develops and also wait for a large sample size before we dismiss him.

 

[nafaiz]

again an overhyped bowler from pakpassion.. may be the pakistan domestic bowler's speed reading machine is not working...

i never saw him bowl at 140 atleast once....one of the spray guns... no swing, no movement, just a trundler

 

[MenInG]

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[MenInG]

again an overhyped bowler from pakpassion.. may be the pakistan domestic bowler's speed reading machine is not working...

i never saw him bowl at 140 atleast once....one of the spray guns... no swing, no movement, just a trundler

Overhyped by PakPassion?

Choose your words carefully pls - Mohammad Irfan also came from PP

Really worrying when posters cannot come up with an argument to write but come up with some generic "pakpassion" type comment.

 

[Firebreaker]

Ehsan Adil shouuld have been in the Test squad

 

[Energetic]

I remember Anamul Haque smacking this 'speedstar' for 2 massive pull shots like it was nothing.

 

[world cup captain]

Unfortunately, just not good enough. As average as they come.

Wahab should replace him at the SSC.

I second that.

 

[aukhan]

He was bowling in 150's in 2009. :/

 

[Major]

Unfortunately, just not good enough. As average as they come.

Wahab should replace him at the SSC.

i dont know where to start........... the pitch is a flat track, you bring in Johnson and he will give you a similar performance

 

[Mamoon]

A quality bowler will look quality even if there's nothing in the pitch and he's unable to get wickets.

 

[Alchemy]

i dont know where to start........... the pitch is a flat track, you bring in Johnson and he will give you a similar performance

Hundred per cent agreed. People are going OTT here. Real concern is our spinners who havent taken a single wicket whereas the Sri Lankan spinners managed to grab 7-8 wickets.

 

[Savak]

Hundred per cent agreed. People are going OTT here. Real concern is our spinners who havent taken a single wicket whereas the Sri Lankan spinners managed to grab 7-8 wickets.

That has more to do with our crap batting.

 

[MRSN]

i dont know where to start........... the pitch is a flat track, you bring in Johnson and he will give you a similar performance

Steyn and Morkel did a fine job not too long ago..good bowlers can create chances..

 

[MRSN]

That has more to do with our crap batting.

Did you see how Misbah was at see on this flat road?

 

[Alchemy]

That has more to do with our crap batting.

After watching the highlights of Sri Lankan batting, i agree with you.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Ordinary bowler. No pace no movement. Flat.

 

[Mamoon]

Not a single young bowler in the last few years has shown quality. All hopes hinge on Ehsan and Sadaf. Let's see what they are made of. I have seen Ehsan a little and I think he's very good.