"I don't play for the three-figure mark, that is why I end up crossing it" : Virat Kohli

[Abdullah719]

New Delhi: Team India is lined up for yet another series, this time against the formidable Australians for a limited-over series that will kick start on September 17 in Chennai. And another series means another set of records to be broken by India skipper Virat Kohli, given the astounding piece of cricketing abilities he had produced over the last few months. Well, Kohli finally reveals what has worked for him in his record-breaking venture, off late.

Virat is currently second on the all-time list of most ODI tons with 30 apiece alongside Aussie great Ricky Ponting. However, Master Blaster Sachin Tendulkar tops the chart with 49 hundreds. But ever since Kohli's prolific 30th ton notched up against Sri Lanka in the ODI series, there has been a renewed piece of discussion – Can the 28-year-old surpass his idol?

But on Saturday, on the eve of the first ODI match against Australia, Kohli was asked whether it is these numbers that roll over his mind when he steps down to bat.

"I don't play for the three-figure mark, may be that's why I end up crossing it more. Because I am not thinking about it. So I don't put myself under pressure in terms of I need to achieve a landmark. For me, what's most important is to win the match for the team, said the Delhi dasher.

"As I said before even if I am 98 not out or 99 not out, I don't mind, as long as I win the game. In that process, things end up happening because you want to stay till the end. So my motivation has never been that, it will never be that," he added.

Kohli, in fact, clarified that this philosophy of his would remain intact as long as he in part of the Gentlemen's arena.

"Whatever time I play, 8 years, 10 years or 12 years whatever it is, I will never think of that because it just doesn't come to me naturally. For me, what's most important is how can I help the team win with the bat in the field, giving my 120 per cent every time I step on to the field and preparing accordingly that I think is more important to me than the personal landmark," he said.

So does Steve Smith have a reason to worry when Virat steps in to bat? – No, he replied. "I’m not sure. I think India play a lot more ODI cricket than we do. I’m not sure how many games Virat has played. Both Virat and Joe Root are very good players. I am not worried about personal accolades or anything like that. I am here to try and win a series,” said Smith at a presser in Chennai.

Kohli, who is now the top ODI run-getter in 2017 and as off late equalled the highest-ever ratings tally by an Indian that Sachin had set back in 1998, is now in line to surpass Yuvraj Singh. Just 23 runs more and he can overhaul the southpaw to become the sixth highest run-scorer for India in ODIs.

http://zeenews.india.com/cricket/i-...-up-crossing-it-says-virat-kohli-2042997.html

 

[Belawal2014]

Shots fired?

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Greatest Chaser ever.

 

[Talented]

Shots fired?

Nope. Kohli is one of the biggest fans of Sachin along with Yuvi.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Unless it's the finals.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Unless it's the finals.

He didn't in one match. Amir clicked in just one match.

 

[Leo23]

the king

the goat



every young batsmen should listen to what he has to stay when it comes to batting. it is a great insight into how he seems the game and the intelligence that he has.

his understanding of the game as well as his own game is incredible.

 

[Poutine]

He didn't in one match. Amir clicked in just one match.

What about the 2015 semi Final?

 

[Leo23]

What about the 2015 semi Final?

2015 was not a good year for him. he was struggling by his standards in all formats.

 

[Leo23]

the usual suspects are out of their holes to cry choker choker

bitter haters take themselves too seriously unfortunately

 

[Leo23]

30 odi hundreds (second most in history) at the age of 28.

enough said.

 

[Proactive_]

The only thing he has over Tendulkar at batsmanship is that he's not selfish like Tendulkar was, got to give him that.

 

[Haz95]

He should aim for double figure mark in knockouts before going King chaser mode.

 

[Leo23]

hundred vs pakistan in 2015 wc

fifties in world t20 semifinal and final 2014

fifty in an effective world t20 quarter final 2016 vs australia

fifty in world t20 semi final 2016

crucial innings in 2013 ct final

fifty vs pakistan in world t20 2012

fifty vs pakistan in world t20 2016

183 vs pakistan while chasing 320

helped india chase 320 inside 40 overs with a brilliant hundred to keep them alive in a tri series

helped india chase 290 with an unbeaten 139 when everyone else failed and he was batting with the tail

these are just a few examples

but he is a choker yaar )

 

[ego-gambit]

“When we judge or criticize another person, it says nothing about that person; it merely says something about our own need to be critical.” Virat kohli is average player with extraordinary mindset nothing else

 

[Haz95]

hundred vs pakistan in 2015 wc

Scratchy, group stage game. Ugly innings in a tournament where people were scoring double centuries for fun, Pakistan lost that game rather than India winning

fifties in world t20 semifinal and final 2014

T20

fifty in an effective world t20 quarter final 2016 vs australia

lol T20

fifty in world t20 semi final 2016

lol T20

crucial innings in 2013 ct final

Respectable, but effectively a T20 and an OK score. Nothing legendary

fifty vs pakistan in world t20 2012

lol T20

fifty vs pakistan in world t20 2016

lol T20

183 vs pakistan while chasing 320

Respectable again. WC level? Nope still not enough for legendary...Asia Cup is not that prestigous altho respectable like I said.

helped india chase 320 inside 40 overs with a brilliant hundred to keep them alive in a tri series

lol ok David Miller has a better inning vs Aus a far superior attack. Next GOAT chaser eh?

helped india chase 290 with an unbeaten 139 when everyone else failed and he was batting with the tail

Ditto as the above

these are just a few examples

but he is a choker yaar )

Nothing here has made one think otherwise apart from him being a top T20 batsman.

 

[Stallion__]

He used to early in his career (not necessarily a bad thing) but in last few years, his batting approach has been very selfless.

 

[Suleiman]

He used to early in his career (not necessarily a bad thing) but in last few years, his batting approach has been very selfless.

Yes. Was reading about this on a cricketing coach guide was under the title "Growth vs Fixed Mindset".

A fixed mindset is when you are fixated on achievements, be it being the highest run getter ever, having most hundreds, and other instances of glory. You go in with an expectation every time you bat. Every failure hurts the ego and you feel like you are a step further from the glory you are chasing. I guess with this mindset whenever you near a 100 you get excited and might make a mess.

A growth mindset is when you don't expect a direct result from yourself but just go out there to perform and build on your shortcomings from previous outings. You are not directly fixated on big achievements, but they are just a bi-product of your mindset to work on your weaknesses and improve.

He has shifted to the latter mindset.

 

[ZyzzBrah]

So many bitter people. He failed in one match in C17 and people now rank him below Asad technique in OD format. Amir clicked in one game room crucial wickets and rate him ahead of every bowler ever lived.

Let's be honest, Kohli is greater then any Pakistani ODI batsman currently and in all history, and he is only 28. Let that sink in.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I have no doubt that he will retire as the greatest ODI cricketer/batsman of all time.

He is once in a lifetime player.

 

[Hasan123]

Kohli improves himself as a player to give India a better chance of winning games. He doesn't play for personal records.

 

[Bilal7]

Playing home game after home game and 53 matches a year against Sri Lanka also helps.

Not a single match-winning century against Australia, England, South Africa or Pakistan away.

 

[Bilal7]

What about the 2015 semi Final?

The most embarrassing innings by a top batsman in a WC KO match? I mean being unable to score more than a single run for 12 deliveries and then getting bounced out like that, with the whole crowd behind you is absolutely shocking.

So much for the "greatest chaser" tag his childish fans are harping on about.

 

[kingusama92]

Greatest chaser of all time.

Ruthless. Consistent. Brilliant.

And I feel he's a superb role model when it comes to hard work. It's rubbing off on players around the world including young Pakistani batsmen.

 

[Dingolfy]

Scratchy, group stage game. Ugly innings in a tournament where people were scoring double centuries for fun, Pakistan lost that game rather than India winning
.

LOL. Dude, in the last 10 years you guys have successfully chased a 300 plus score only four times!So, yeah, for sure your tuk-tuks would have been chasing 300 against India in a damn worldcup!

 

[Poutine]

The most embarrassing innings by a top batsman in a WC KO match? I mean being unable to score more than a single run for 12 deliveries and then getting bounced out like that, with the whole crowd behind you is absolutely shocking.

So much for the "greatest chaser" tag his childish fans are harping on about.

Perhaps but apparently he was out form for all of 2015 so it dosen't count.

 

[rashmin]

As in another thread, Bilal7 can you throw your tremendous intelligence how should he score match-winning century against Pakistan away, and why century for him, why not mere 60-65 winning score, why put so much high standard for such a mediocre player or you yourself belive that for batsman of a stature like Kohli, it should be nothing less than a century????

 

[CanadianG00se]

As in another thread, Bilal7 can you throw your tremendous intelligence how should he score match-winning century against Pakistan away, and why century for him, why not mere 60-65 winning score, why put so much high standard for such a mediocre player or you yourself belive that for batsman of a stature like Kohli, it should be nothing less than a century????

even if Kohli manages to score century in KO of WC matches, he will still hold Kohli as ordinary player because he wont have century against Pakistan away. So by same logic M Amir is also ordinary because he took total of 0 wickets against India in India in bilateral series.

 

[Sachin136]

Playing home game after home game and 53 matches a year against Sri Lanka also helps.

Not a single match-winning century against Australia, England, South Africa or Pakistan away.

15 of his centuries are away from home.

No country except Zimbabwe is willing to tour Pakistan. Even Bangladesh refused to tour. How is Kohli supposed to get a century there?

Sachin and Zaheer Abbas have 1 century in a won match in Australia, England or South Africa. That is the same as Shehzad. Tharanga has 2. The highest is Jayasuriya with 4. I hope you understand how idiotic that statistic is and stop posting it eveyrwhere.

 

[IndianWillow]

Kohli does appear to have genuine intent winning a match. He never looks bogged down unless he is out of form. You dont see him tuk tuk near these milestones. But deep inside he must be chasing the three figure record as well, which batsman isn't.

 

[Suleiman]

As in another thread, Bilal7 can you throw your tremendous intelligence how should he score match-winning century against Pakistan away, and why century for him, why not mere 60-65 winning score, why put so much high standard for such a mediocre player or you yourself belive that for batsman of a stature like Kohli, it should be nothing less than a century????

He needs to defy enemy lines, sneak through disputed territory and then face us in gaddafi stadium.

If he gets captured in the process then he isn't an atg, sorry. Atgs don't get captured.

Seriously speaking though if people think it is really this easy for Kohli to make 100s solely because of the teams he faces and home advantage then someone else years ago would've made 30 tons by age 28. But they haven't.

 

[Leo23]

[MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION]

are you saying there is no pressure in bilateral odis or wc group games or world t20 matches )

let me educate you. pressure is pressure and a pressure situation is a pressure situation irrespective of the stage or the format

when you are in the middle and the odds are stacked against you and you are in the moment it doesn't matter if it is a test or an odi or a t20 or if it is a group game or a final.

obviously not every one can do it every time. neither in world cups nor in bilaterals. kohli failed to chase totals at home vs south africa in bilateral series in 2015 and if that was a world cup you would have called it a choke under pressure

unfortunately the world has more knowledge than you and they don't do artificial nitpicking to downplay great players

kohli is an atg and they realize his brilliance. almost every great player has failed under pressure as many times as they have succeeded. kohli is no different. the difference between great players and ordinary players is that the great ones deliver with a lot more consistency

grant elliot has two superb match winning chases under the pressure of a wc and ct semi final vs sa and pak respectively

does that make him a better batsman and a better pressure cricketer than kohli or Abdv or amla?

no of course not. the key lies when you compare their statistics and see the gulf between them.

not every failure is choke. you may not be aware of it but some times players fail due to brilliance of the opposition and succumb to their tactics and often players are simply zoned out

when kohli failed vs aus in the world cup semifinal it was not because it was a semi final but because australia had a clear plan against him and they did their home work

their execution was great and they suffocated kohli by not allowing him to rotate the strike which is what his batting is based on

had you ever picked up a bat in your life you would realize that if the bowlers don't give away anything you become frustrated and it can draw out a false shot and that is what happened with kohli that day


that day australia got the better of him and on other days he has smashed australia to all corners. this is cricket. not everyone comes out on top every time.

it happens regularly in bilaterals as well and kohli has failed as many times as he has succeeded in bilateral matches but you conveniently ignore that because it contradicts your agenda

any way i dont know why i am wasting my time with you. your poor cricketing knowledge was exposed when you posted fake stats to defend warner's mediocre overseas record

 

[another drop catch]

ATG in making

 

[waleed88]

Kohli is all about 'I'm not thinking about reaching a 3 figure mark, I take it just as another run' same as we are 'taking the final as another game, not thinking about it too much'.

Sometimes this thing works, specually when you score a century in a bilateral game, but it won't work in big crunch games, tough nailbiters, knockouts, you have to bring out your A game and there is pressure. Kohli needs to learn to perform in the big events

 

[Leo23]

[MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION]

hang on. one more thing. lets see if you side step this one.

as per your esteemed logic there is no pressure in bilateral odis and great pressure in world cups

so according to you world cup knockouts have a lot more pressure than world cup group games but surely you will agree that a world cup group game has a lot more pressure than a bilateral odi series right?

so then please explain why the choker kohli failed badly at home vs pakistan in a bilateral series but managed to score a hundred in a world cup match in australia, a match that was the most high profile group game of the world cup.

a match that was watched by 50k people in the stadium and billions of people on tv. a match that both teams were keen to win because they wanted to start the world cup on a winning note especially when both teams were playing tough opposition in south africa in the next game.

a match where india's unbeaten world cup streak was on the line. a match where pakistani players made big statements before hand and some were targeting kohli directly.

please explain why the choker was able to handle the "relatively" greater pressure of that world cup game and was not able to handle the "no pressure" bilateral series?

oh yes i know what you will say now. "but but the conditions for the bilateral series were bowling friendly and the world cup match was played on a flat pitch and he had a couple of catches dropped" )

so yes there we have it. kohli can only score runs under 3 conditions:

1) the pitch is a road

2) there is no pressure involved

3) he had catches dropped

and if kohli fails it is because the pitch was difficult and it was a high pressure match

it is such a shame that mediocre choker like him has scored 30 tons at the age of 28 and is hailed as a legend. clearly he is the only player past or present who had the opportunity to bash weak attacks under no pressure on flat pitches.

 

[Leo23]

Playing home game after home game and 53 matches a year against Sri Lanka also helps.

Not a single match-winning century against Australia, England, South Africa or Pakistan away.

how many batsmen in history have match winning centuries against these countries away? please provide a list. don't run away now.

and is it kohli's fault that pakistan has not been safe enough to host matches and that the bcci is not willing to play in the uae?

The most embarrassing innings by a top batsman in a WC KO match? I mean being unable to score more than a single run for 12 deliveries and then getting bounced out like that, with the whole crowd behind you is absolutely shocking.

So much for the "greatest chaser" tag his childish fans are harping on about.

please name the chasers who are better than him. who do you think is the greatest odi chaser of all time?

so according to you the greatest odi chaser has to deliver every single time under pressure in big games? name one player who has done that and who is rightfully the greatest odi chaser ever. i challenge you.

don't run away now like always.

 

[Leo23]

Kohli is all about 'I'm not thinking about reaching a 3 figure mark, I take it just as another run' same as we are 'taking the final as another game, not thinking about it too much'.

Sometimes this thing works, specually when you score a century in a bilateral game, but it won't work in big crunch games, tough nailbiters, knockouts, you have to bring out your A game and there is pressure. Kohli needs to learn to perform in the big events

it doesn't always work in bilaterals either but ppl choose to ignore because they assume that there is no pressure in bilateral games. every great player in history has failed as many times as they have succeeded both in bilaterals and world cups.

sir vivian richards scored a legendary hundred in the 1979 world cup final but 4 yrs later he failed in a world cup final and cost his team a third consecutive world cup

inzamam has failed badly in world cups after 92

saeed anwar failed in the 99 final and triggered a collapse in the 96 quarter final vs india

tendulkar has failed in two world cup finals

amla and de villiers have never scored in world cup knock out games

does this make them chokers and poor players?

 

[IndianWillow]

@Leo123 - Great point about Grant Elliot, as to why a few high pressure knocks here and there dont make you a great player. You cant have stats like Kohli if you are the king of soft runs. Bilaterals were always followed with great interest in the past, discrediting them seems to be a modern phenomenon particularly aimed to belittle the likes of Kohli. Just because fans lost interest due to too much cricket doesn't take away the statistical significance of those matches.

 

[Leo23]

@Leo123 - Great point about Grant Elliot, as to why a few high pressure knocks here and there dont make you a great player. You cant have stats like Kohli if you are the king of soft runs. Bilaterals were always followed with great interest in the past, discrediting them seems to be a modern phenomenon particularly aimed to belittle the likes of Kohli. Just because fans lost interest due to too much cricket doesn't take away the statistical significance of those matches.

exactly

the way some people differentiate between bilateral pressure and world cup pressure and etc etc to their convenience is quite ridiculous

you will not see any ex cricketer criticize a player for not playing a match winning innings in a world cup game etc because they know that there are no easy runs and wickets in international cricket

dismissing bilateral runs as if there is no pressure involved is the speciality of armchair critics who have not played the game at a decent level in their lives

 

[Bilal7]

15 of his centuries are away from home.

No country except Zimbabwe is willing to tour Pakistan. Even Bangladesh refused to tour. How is Kohli supposed to get a century there?

Sachin and Zaheer Abbas have 1 century in a won match in Australia, England or South Africa. That is the same as Shehzad. Tharanga has 2. The highest is Jayasuriya with 4. I hope you understand how idiotic that statistic is and stop posting it eveyrwhere.

Playing Pakistan away is playing Pakistan in the UAE. Idiotic? No, this statistic just enforces the fact that Kohli is unable to play the moving ball or quality fast bowling.

how many batsmen in history have match winning centuries against these countries away? please provide a list. don't run away now.

and is it kohli's fault that pakistan has not been safe enough to host matches and that the bcci is not willing to play in the uae?



please name the chasers who are better than him. who do you think is the greatest odi chaser of all time?

so according to you the greatest odi chaser has to deliver every single time under pressure in big games? name one player who has done that and who is rightfully the greatest odi chaser ever. i challenge you.

don't run away now like always.

How many batsmen in history? Forget history, let's look at his contemporaries. Hashim Amla has a match-winning century in England and the UAE and a match-winning 97 in Australia against the home team. He has several such hundreds in South Africa as well. Don't pretend like this is some impossible to achieve record.

Once again, let's forget about the vast sample-size across time and space and lower it down to a contemporary and countryman of his. Dhoni, has almost always delivered when it mattered. Not least in the finals of the 2011 WC. Even though he's even more fragile against swing and seam than Kohli is, no one can question his nerves of steel or ability to handle pressure.

Feed yourself some knowledge and hope that you can come up with something more intelligent than this horrible mess of a post.

 

[Teshi98]

Playing Pakistan away is playing Pakistan in the UAE. Idiotic? No, this statistic just enforces the fact that Kohli is unable to play the moving ball or quality fast bowling.



First off, I've been here for five years now and have contributed thousands of posts. You're here today and will be gone tomorrow so don't throw the troll rubbish at me.

How many batsmen in history? Forget history, let's look at his contemporaries. Hashim Amla has a match-winning century in England and the UAE and a match-winning 97 in Australia against the home team. He has several such hundreds in South Africa as well. Don't pretend like this is some impossible to achieve record.

Once again, let's forget about the vast sample-size across time and space and lower it down to a contemporary and countryman of his. Dhoni, has almost always delivered when it mattered. Not least in the finals of the 2011 WC. Even though he's even more fragile against swing and seam than Kohli is, no one can question his nerves of steel or ability to handle pressure.

Feed yourself some knowledge and hope that you can come up with something more intelligent than this horrible mess of a post.

Wow it seems so cool when master or i should say king of absolutely senseless and illogical posts points out finger on someone whom he considers to have done the same.

Kohli will never have a centuty against pak away bcoz it is highly unlikely for india to play pak in bilateral series during his career.
He has scored 2 centuries against austraiia in australia out of which 1 had a almost guranteed a victory but there was a terrible collapse later on.
He like amla in england has a match winning 80 odd in sa against tbem. And he has played much more clutch knocjs than your favourite amla could even dream of.
Your point of not bring able to play swing may hold some weightage that too only in england though. In odis he averagea close to 50 everywhere and shows how idiotic you really are to keep calling him out on swinging balls based on one horrible series.
It is great how you tend to even forget history when you want to downplay his achievments.

 

[Sachin136]

Playing Pakistan away is playing Pakistan in the UAE. Idiotic? No, this statistic just enforces the fact that Kohli is unable to play the moving ball or quality fast bowling.

The same issue arises. There's no need for India to ever play a series against Pakistan in the UAE, so Kohli probably won't get a century there. Pitches in the UAE are generally slow but still flat and easy to bat on. Kohli has smashed the Pakistani bowling attack many times at other venues.

Then why don't you respond to what I pointed out? Were Sachin and many other greats unable to play the moving ball? Is Shehzad as good as him and other great batsmen against quality fast bowling?

 

[Bilal7]

The same issue arises. There's no need for India to ever play a series against Pakistan in the UAE, so Kohli probably won't get a century there. Pitches in the UAE are generally slow but still flat and easy to bat on. Kohli has smashed the Pakistani bowling attack many times at other venues.

Then why don't you respond to what I pointed out? Were Sachin and many other greats unable to play the moving ball? Is Shehzad as good as him and other great batsmen against quality fast bowling?

India doesn't have to do anything. They can keep hosting everyone on their flat pitches with a tour of Sri Lanka thrown in here and there and it still won't be a crime. However, not playing Pakistan away means that it is just another top team that Kohli hasn't performed against away. Given that the top ODI teams have been Australia, India, Pakistan, South Africa and England and Kohli plays for one of them, the fact that he does not have a single match-winning hundred against any of the others away if a glaring flaw in his resume.

Sachin and many other greats do have a century or two against the aforementioned teams away. Some others have an impeccable test record which rubbishes any allegations of them not being able to handle swing and seam. Shehzad is quite capable against the moving ball. His problem has been strike rotation and selfishness so no, it does not surprise me that he has more centuries than Kohli against the best bowling attacks away.

 

[Bilal7]

Kohli averages a mere 38 against Australia, England and South Africa away and has never faced Pakistan in the UAE either. So the lack of match-winning centuries is not just down to being unlucky but rather, just not being good enough.

 

[Syed1]

Out twice in two balls, missed his ton by 95 runs. Surely wasn't thinking about the triple figures on that day.

 

[Sachin136]

India doesn't have to do anything. They can keep hosting everyone on their flat pitches with a tour of Sri Lanka thrown in here and there and it still won't be a crime. However, not playing Pakistan away means that it is just another top team that Kohli hasn't performed against away. Given that the top ODI teams have been Australia, India, Pakistan, South Africa and England and Kohli plays for one of them, the fact that he does not have a single match-winning hundred against any of the others away if a glaring flaw in his resume.

Sachin and many other greats do have a century or two against the aforementioned teams away. Some others have an impeccable test record which rubbishes any allegations of them not being able to handle swing and seam. Shehzad is quite capable against the moving ball. His problem has been strike rotation and selfishness so no, it does not surprise me that he has more centuries than Kohli against the best bowling attacks away.

Pakistan is ranked #6. Their win loss ratio over this decade is the same as PNG and worse than many of the actual top teams. Let's not get carried away.

So having 1 century over twice the matches Kohli has played means you're good against fast bowling? You are smart enough to realize how illogical this is.


In any case, you didn't answer the question about Shehzad and Jayasuriya being compared with Sachin, Lara etc. If you think Shehzad is better against fast bowling than Kohli, Sachin etc, then no point discussing further - you can keep your ridiculously biased opinions.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Kohli averages a mere 38 against Australia, England and South Africa away and has never faced Pakistan in the UAE either. So the lack of match-winning centuries is not just down to being unlucky but rather, just not being good enough.

So if Kohli is not good enough than 99% of other batsmen are probably worse than him.

Whats ur obssession with "0 centuries against Pak"; dude how is his problem that he dont get to play Pakistan in bilateral series. How is he supposed to score when he dont even get to play?
He may not be the best batsmen ever but he is certainly better than most including certain someone from South Africa who will choke even if there is hint of pressure.

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan is ranked #6. Their win loss ratio over this decade is the same as PNG and worse than many of the actual top teams. Let's not get carried away.

So having 1 century over twice the matches Kohli has played means you're good against fast bowling? You are smart enough to realize how illogical this is.


In any case, you didn't answer the question about Shehzad and Jayasuriya being compared with Sachin, Lara etc. If you think Shehzad is better against fast bowling than Kohli, Sachin etc, then no point discussing further - you can keep your ridiculously biased opinions.

Pakistan are the current Champions of the Champions Trophy, were semi-finalists and arguably the second best team of the 2011 WC and throughout Kohli's career, have had a very strong bowling attack. It is you who is getting carried away.

It's the same as someone playing several WC KO matches and being successful in one being rated a better pressure player than someone who's played only a couple and failed in all. Having something is better than having nothing.

It is you who is making ridiculous assumptions like Shehzad being better at playing the moving ball than Sachin. I am solely talking about Kohli's ability to play the moving ball in ODI cricket, which is pretty non-existent. If you want to dig your head in the sand and avoid it, then please do but don't think Pakistan fans will.

Junaid and Amir have combined to dismiss Kohli five times in four matches (including Azhar's drop catch) played in conditions that offered help to pace bowlers. The English have seen Kohli exposed across formats and the South Africans will have a good sample-size to make a judgement in a few months.

So if Kohli is not good enough than 99% of other batsmen are probably worse than him.

Whats ur obssession with "0 centuries against Pak"; dude how is his problem that he dont get to play Pakistan in bilateral series. How is he supposed to score when he dont even get to play?
He may not be the best batsmen ever but he is certainly better than most including certain someone from South Africa who will choke even if there is hint of pressure.

Yes, Kohli may be better than 99% of batsmen to have played ODIs but he is not better than Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulker, AB de Villiers or Ricky Ponting. Him and Amla are not at the level of these legendary batsmen because even though both of them have their strengths, they haven't performed at the biggest stage(s).

You can remove Pakistan if you like but that will not make Kohli's game against the moving ball any better.

 

[Bilal7]

Out twice in two balls, missed his ton by 95 runs. Surely wasn't thinking about the triple figures on that day.

Anyone can see that Kohli is weak against the moving ball. Amir would have dismissed him 10 times in a four over spell had this kept going.

 

[akki]

kohli is one of the greatest batsman ever played cricket as most of the cricket punditsalways have him in fab 3 . I just heard past one week sarfraz ahmad pakistani captain saying kohli is best . Plays well in icc tournaments , plays well in away series and plays well in all the formats. indeed best batsman of this decade.

 

[Leo23]

Playing Pakistan away is playing Pakistan in the UAE. Idiotic? No, this statistic just enforces the fact that Kohli is unable to play the moving ball or quality fast bowling.



How many batsmen in history? Forget history, let's look at his contemporaries. Hashim Amla has a match-winning century in England and the UAE and a match-winning 97 in Australia against the home team. He has several such hundreds in South Africa as well. Don't pretend like this is some impossible to achieve record.

Once again, let's forget about the vast sample-size across time and space and lower it down to a contemporary and countryman of his. Dhoni, has almost always delivered when it mattered. Not least in the finals of the 2011 WC. Even though he's even more fragile against swing and seam than Kohli is, no one can question his nerves of steel or ability to handle pressure.

Feed yourself some knowledge and hope that you can come up with something more intelligent than this horrible mess of a post.

those are amla's home conditions

how many match winning centuries does amla have in india?

so you are happy to consider amla's home performances but are willing to discount kohli's home performances?

now don't give me the rubbish that south africa is a tough place to bat. that is true in tests but in odis their pitches are as flat as any pitches in the world

for the record i rate amla as a wonderful odi batsman. i don't believe this choker crap that ppl through around because he hasn't performed in world cups etc

i don't give too much weight to tournaments as they happen once in few yrs. for me every international series carries his own pressure

but your bias against kohli is very clear to me.

 

[Tusker]

Anyone can see that Kohli is weak against the moving ball. Amir would have dismissed him 10 times in a four over spell had this kept going.

How did that work out in Kolkatta last year ... wait let me guess the ball doesn't move if the match is labelled .. I guess the ball knows what to do based on ODI or T20s )

 

[DRsohail]

kohli is weak against moving ball and this is not a mystery..eeveryone knows it....

 

[IndianWillow]

Anyone can see that Kohli is weak against the moving ball. Amir would have dismissed him 10 times in a four over spell had this kept going.

If a regular batsman like Kohli is cannon fodder(10 dismissals in 4 overs) for Amir I guess Amir would have already dismissed many weaker teams for sub 50 totals!

 

[Leo23]

[MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION]

are you saying there is no pressure in bilateral odis or wc group games or world t20 matches )

let me educate you. pressure is pressure and a pressure situation is a pressure situation irrespective of the stage or the format

when you are in the middle and the odds are stacked against you and you are in the moment it doesn't matter if it is a test or an odi or a t20 or if it is a group game or a final.

obviously not every one can do it every time. neither in world cups nor in bilaterals. kohli failed to chase totals at home vs south africa in bilateral series in 2015 and if that was a world cup you would have called it a choke under pressure

unfortunately the world has more knowledge than you and they don't do artificial nitpicking to downplay great players

kohli is an atg and they realize his brilliance. almost every great player has failed under pressure as many times as they have succeeded. kohli is no different. the difference between great players and ordinary players is that the great ones deliver with a lot more consistency

grant elliot has two superb match winning chases under the pressure of a wc and ct semi final vs sa and pak respectively

does that make him a better batsman and a better pressure cricketer than kohli or Abdv or amla?

no of course not. the key lies when you compare their statistics and see the gulf between them.

not every failure is choke. you may not be aware of it but some times players fail due to brilliance of the opposition and succumb to their tactics and often players are simply zoned out

when kohli failed vs aus in the world cup semifinal it was not because it was a semi final but because australia had a clear plan against him and they did their home work

their execution was great and they suffocated kohli by not allowing him to rotate the strike which is what his batting is based on

had you ever picked up a bat in your life you would realize that if the bowlers don't give away anything you become frustrated and it can draw out a false shot and that is what happened with kohli that day


that day australia got the better of him and on other days he has smashed australia to all corners. this is cricket. not everyone comes out on top every time.

it happens regularly in bilaterals as well and kohli has failed as many times as he has succeeded in bilateral matches but you conveniently ignore that because it contradicts your agenda

any way i dont know why i am wasting my time with you. your poor cricketing knowledge was exposed when you posted fake stats to defend warner's mediocre overseas record

[MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION]

hang on. one more thing. lets see if you side step this one.

as per your esteemed logic there is no pressure in bilateral odis and great pressure in world cups

so according to you world cup knockouts have a lot more pressure than world cup group games but surely you will agree that a world cup group game has a lot more pressure than a bilateral odi series right?

so then please explain why the choker kohli failed badly at home vs pakistan in a bilateral series but managed to score a hundred in a world cup match in australia, a match that was the most high profile group game of the world cup.

a match that was watched by 50k people in the stadium and billions of people on tv. a match that both teams were keen to win because they wanted to start the world cup on a winning note especially when both teams were playing tough opposition in south africa in the next game.

a match where india's unbeaten world cup streak was on the line. a match where pakistani players made big statements before hand and some were targeting kohli directly.

please explain why the choker was able to handle the "relatively" greater pressure of that world cup game and was not able to handle the "no pressure" bilateral series?

oh yes i know what you will say now. "but but the conditions for the bilateral series were bowling friendly and the world cup match was played on a flat pitch and he had a couple of catches dropped" )

so yes there we have it. kohli can only score runs under 3 conditions:

1) the pitch is a road

2) there is no pressure involved

3) he had catches dropped

and if kohli fails it is because the pitch was difficult and it was a high pressure match

it is such a shame that mediocre choker like him has scored 30 tons at the age of 28 and is hailed as a legend. clearly he is the only player past or present who had the opportunity to bash weak attacks under no pressure on flat pitches.

[MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION]

still waiting to hear from you :

 

[Bilal7]

If a regular batsman like Kohli is cannon fodder(10 dismissals in 4 overs) for Amir I guess Amir would have already dismissed many weaker teams for sub 50 totals!

Yes, in that situation, many teams would have been dismissed for under 50. India themselves, were saved by Pandya's fearless but ultimately pointless approach.

How did that work out in Kolkatta last year ... wait let me guess the ball doesn't move if the match is labelled .. I guess the ball knows what to do based on ODI or T20s )

No, but it is far easier to face Amir when he can only bowl four overs in the entire match, compared to four overs in a spell.

The fact that you guys parade that T20 innings as some great innings is pretty laughable. Kohli just barely survived and hit two fours off Amir.

those are amla's home conditions

how many match winning centuries does amla have in india?

so you are happy to consider amla's home performances but are willing to discount kohli's home performances?

now don't give me the rubbish that south africa is a tough place to bat. that is true in tests but in odis their pitches are as flat as any pitches in the world

for the record i rate amla as a wonderful odi batsman. i don't believe this choker crap that ppl through around because he hasn't performed in world cups etc

i don't give too much weight to tournaments as they happen once in few yrs. for me every international series carries his own pressure

but your bias against kohli is very clear to me.

My argument centers around Kohli's inability to play the moving ball. Since you were too lazy to do it yourself, I gave you an example of one of Kohli's contemporaries who is far superior at playing the moving ball and has match-winning centuries against the best bowling attacks away. Where does India come into this? South Africa may be the home of Amla and de Villiers but that does not mean that the ball respects that fact and refuses to move around like it does for the visiting batsmen. You can say they are more adept at playing swing and seam but that will simply prove my point.

If you would do some research of your own, you would find thay South Africa is a far more difficult place for batsmen than India.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Yes, in that situation, many teams would have been dismissed for under 50. India themselves, were saved by Pandya's fearless but ultimately pointless approach.



No, but it is far easier to face Amir when he can only bowl four overs in the entire match, compared to four overs in a spell.

The fact that you guys parade that T20 innings as some great innings is pretty laughable. Kohli just barely survived and hit two fours off Amir.





My argument centers around Kohli's inability to play the moving ball. Since you were too lazy to do it yourself, I gave you an example of one of Kohli's contemporaries who is far superior at playing the moving ball and has match-winning centuries against the best bowling attacks away. Where does India come into this? South Africa may be the home of Amla and de Villiers but that does not mean that the ball respects that fact and refuses to move around like it does for the visiting batsmen. You can say they are more adept at playing swing and seam but that will simply prove my point.

If you would do some research of your own, you would find thay South Africa is a far more difficult place for batsmen than India.

South Africa is difficult for Asian teams and Indian pitches difficult for non Asian teams. You're really biased when it comes anything India, not that is a bad thing. South Africa too lately have been creating flat pitches(hoping for green mambas when we tour in Jan 2018)

Let me ask you onething, If batting on Indian pitches is so darn easy then why have foreign teams been getting destroyed the moment they step foot in India? oh wait it has to do with IPL money; how else would mighty saffas get beaten.

 

[par]

India doesn't have to do anything. They can keep hosting everyone on their flat pitches with a tour of Sri Lanka thrown in here and there and it still won't be a crime. However, not playing Pakistan away means that it is just another top team that Kohli hasn't performed against away. Given that the top ODI teams have been Australia, India, Pakistan, South Africa and England and Kohli plays for one of them, the fact that he does not have a single match-winning hundred against any of the others away if a glaring flaw in his resume.

Sachin and many other greats do have a century or two against the aforementioned teams away. Some others have an impeccable test record which rubbishes any allegations of them not being able to handle swing and seam. Shehzad is quite capable against the moving ball. His problem has been strike rotation and selfishness so no, it does not surprise me that he has more centuries than Kohli against the best bowling attacks away.

Kohli has never scored a ton against any of the top ODI teams (Aus, SA, Eng, Pak, NZ, SL) in a day match, either won or lost, first batting or chasing. One more glaring flaw in his resume!

 

[CricFan2012]

People always say these kind of things to appear humble, if what Kholi was saying was true then he wouldn't do those extravagant celebrations.

Whenever you see someone jumping around or celebrating like it's their birthday after a century then you know they've played for their 3 figure mark.

Kholi is only a top cricketer, that is why he ends up crossing

 

[Sachin136]

People always say these kind of things to appear humble, if what Kholi was saying was true then he wouldn't do those extravagant celebrations.

Whenever you see someone jumping around or celebrating like it's their birthday after a century then you know they've played for their 3 figure mark.

Kholi is only a top cricketer, that is why he ends up crossing

Recently, Kohli's celebrations have been very mild.

 

[Benchwarmer]

Just waiting for another World Class All-Format Indian batsman to emerge who is as good as Kohli.We(Indian Fans) would actually end up arguing amongst ourselves about who is better of the two.

 

[Leo23]

Just waiting for another World Class All-Format Indian batsman to emerge who is as good as Kohli.We(Indian Fans) would actually end up arguing amongst ourselves about who is better of the two.

i think lokesh rahul has the potential but he is a walking injury

 

[Tusker]

No, but it is far easier to face Amir when he can only bowl four overs in the entire match, compared to four overs in a spell.

The fact that you guys parade that T20 innings as some great innings is pretty laughable. Kohli just barely survived and hit two fours off Amir.

You said Amir would get him out 10 times in a 4 over spell (clearly that did not happen) .... lets keep the excuses rolling.

So far we have ...

1. Ball doesnt listen to Amir if it is a T20I
2.

 

[Bilal7]

South Africa is difficult for Asian teams and Indian pitches difficult for non Asian teams. You're really biased when it comes anything India, not that is a bad thing. South Africa too lately have been creating flat pitches(hoping for green mambas when we tour in Jan 2018)

Let me ask you onething, If batting on Indian pitches is so darn easy then why have foreign teams been getting destroyed the moment they step foot in India? oh wait it has to do with IPL money; how else would mighty saffas get beaten.

Indian pitches difficult for non-Asian teams? For the bowlers, yes, but the batsmen make merry all the same. Remember the last time South Africa toured India? Remember the last game of that series?

Like I said, the bowlers might lose their heads bowling on those roads but the foreign batsmen keep pace with the Indian batsmen, generally. Drop the stupid IPL nonsense, I never raised that as argument.

You said Amir would get him out 10 times in a 4 over spell (clearly that did not happen) .... lets keep the excuses rolling.

So far we have ...

1. Ball doesnt listen to Amir if it is a T20I
2.

Read that post again. I try to use simple words

 

[Tusker]

Read that post again. I try to use simple words

Maybe YOU should read your own simple post. It clearly implies that Amir would get Kohli out multiple times in a 4 over spell especially if there is assistance from pitch.

Now let's see your new excuses

 

[rashmin]

So, in today's ODI Kohli scored 92 as it was flat pitch at home but no one else was able to score as they had to play on different pitch. In PP as one inning determines batsman being choker, HTB, etc. I would like to get expert opinions of experts like Proactive, Bilal 7.

Thanks in advance.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Indian pitches difficult for non-Asian teams? For the bowlers, yes, but the batsmen make merry all the same. Remember the last time South Africa toured India? Remember the last game of that series?

Like I said, the bowlers might lose their heads bowling on those roads but the foreign batsmen keep pace with the Indian batsmen, generally. Drop the stupid IPL nonsense, I never raised that as argument.



Read that post again. I try to use simple words

So you're switch goal post again. First, you mention about test pitches and now you're jumping to ODI games. Mind telling me what happened to same South African side on their last tour to India in test series. If i recall correctly, the saviour was made to look like an tailender. And if the pitches we are serving in ongoing series against aussies were used for that odi series, im sure Saffas would've choked like theres no tomorrow.

I can't wait for us to visit them and smash them all over the place in their own backyard. 2

 

[sshakir411]

I think he is a better well-rounded batsman than Sachin. But Sachin was far superior of his legs...no one can match him on that front.

 

[Leo23]

So, in today's ODI Kohli scored 92 as it was flat pitch at home but no one else was able to score as they had to play on different pitch. In PP as one inning determines batsman being choker, HTB, etc. I would like to get expert opinions of experts like Proactive, Bilal 7.

Thanks in advance.

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION]

so today the pitch was flat too?

 

[Proactive_]

Bilateral bullies gonna bully in bilaterals. What a shock. Wish Kohli could replicate a bit of this in the tournaments and not get destroyed like a tailender lol so that his fans can finally end their embarrassing crusade to preserve his image as some sort of ODI God.

 

[Tusker]

Bilateral bullies gonna bully in bilaterals. What a shock. Wish Kohli could replicate a bit of this in the tournaments and not get destroyed like a tailender lol so that his fans can finally end their embarrassing crusade to preserve his image as some sort of ODI God.

Just like Waqar.

LOL. Have you found that explanation for how All Tri-Series are better than Any Bilateral match?

 

[Leo23]

Bilateral bullies gonna bully in bilaterals. What a shock. Wish Kohli could replicate a bit of this in the tournaments and not get destroyed like a tailender lol so that his fans can finally end their embarrassing crusade to preserve his image as some sort of ODI God.

[MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION]

but but it was a bilateral

 

[akki]

[MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION]

but but it was a bilateral

If he was failed today, then he wud have said that look , i told you ya that when wickets are not flat and team needs then he doesnt score. He is a troll even most of pakistani posters dnt take him serious.

 

[rashmin]

@Proactive, good to know that bilaterals do not require any skills, but but but your legends like Smith are also playing in same bilaterals, on same pitch and that too agains INDIAN bowling attack. Just accept that you are a bitter, crazily biased poster and move forward. See things neutrally and you will be able to perceive things accurately. Anyways thanks to you and Bilal7 to regularly provide us well needed laughs.

 

[Proactive_]

These Kohli fans really are something else. This is the bowling attack Kohli faced in this match:

ODI Rankings:

Pat Cummins - 28
Coulter Nile - 93
Kane Richardson - Unranked
Marcus Stoinis - 176
Agar - Uranked

When either of Starc and Hazlewood have been playing Kohli's average against Aus. falls down to 40, and when both are playing it goes down to 4. But yeah let's overrate the hell out of a 90 played at home against a sub par bowling attack. Congrats Kohli fans! You just played yourself.

 

[rashmin]

When Starc and Hazelwood both are playing his avg is 40.42, with Starc alone it is 32 and with Hazelwood alone it is 47.25. The source is filters of ESPNcricinfo.

Where did you get avg of 4, from Proactivecricinfo???

 

[Proactive_]

When Starc and Hazelwood both are playing his avg is 40.42, with Starc alone it is 32 and with Hazelwood alone it is 47.25. The source is filters of ESPNcricinfo.

Where did you get avg of 4, from Proactivecricinfo???

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...volve_type=all;template=results;type=allround

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en..._involve=53330;template=results;type=allround

 

[ToeCrusher2]

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...volve_type=all;template=results;type=allround

lol this is genius, 2 match sample set in which he was 3* in one of the matches )

 

[Proactive_]

lol this is genius, 2 match sample set in which he was 3* in one of the matches )

And you won't talk about the other match, would you. Obviously you won't because it was the game in which the chase king showed his prowess in full flow lol.

 

[Tusker]

And you won't talk about the other match, would you. Obviously you won't because it was the game in which the chase king showed his prowess in full flow lol.

Sure. As long as you also similarly want to discuss 1996 QF. Kohli was up against Starc, Waqar was up against Ajay Jadeja.

You want to tell us how Waqar doesn't qualify as a bigger choker and is considered a ODI great.