"I don't play for the three-figure mark, that is why I end up crossing it" : Virat Kohli

[Proactive_]

Sure. As long as you also similarly want to discuss 1996 QF. Kohli was up against Starc, Waqar was up against Ajay Jadeja.

You want to tell us how Waqar doesn't qualify as a bigger choker and is considered a ODI great.

10-1-67-2 is still much much better than 1(13).

 

[Tusker]

10-1-67-2 is still much much better than 1(13).

Nope. ... Waqar was the biggest reason why Pak lost that match by leaking 40+ runs in the last 2 overs to tailenders and to a ordinary batsman who did nothing noteworthy in his career other than that. In the process he took a lot of time to finish his overs which resulted in pak getting docked 1 over.

As I said in the other thread stuff happens.

 

[Proactive_]

Nope. ... Waqar was the biggest reason why Pak lost that match by leaking 40+ runs in the last 2 overs to tailenders and to a ordinary batsman who did nothing noteworthy in his career other than that. In the process he took a lot of time to finish his overs which resulted in pak getting docked 1 over.

As I said in the other thread stuff happens.

It's easier to say that. If India had lost 2011 WC Final would you have blamed Zaheer for giving away 35+ in his last 2 overs despite the fact that he had a great opening spell? Waqar's performance in the QF was still miles better than Kohli's legendary 1(13). That's some proper level choking at the highest level.

 

[Tusker]

It's easier to say that. If India had lost 2011 WC Final would you have blamed Zaheer for giving away 35+ in his last 2 overs despite the fact that he had a great opening spell? Waqar's performance in the QF was still miles better than Kohli's legendary 1(13). That's some proper level choking at the highest level.

Big difference between Mahela and Jadeja plus tailenders.

 

[Proactive_]

Big difference between Mahela and Jadeja plus tailenders.

Perera took 17 from 5 off Zaheer in the last over.

 

[Tusker]

Perera took 17 from 5 off Zaheer in the last over.

Wait you are comparing Zack to Waqar? LOL

 

[Proactive_]

Wait you are comparing Zack to Waqar? LOL

I'm just asking would you have held Zaheer responsible if India lost since you're pinning the entire blame of WC 96 QF defeat on Waqar and his death bowling.. nice try at a cop out though.

 

[Bilal7]

So you're switch goal post again. First, you mention about test pitches and now you're jumping to ODI games. Mind telling me what happened to same South African side on their last tour to India in test series. If i recall correctly, the saviour was made to look like an tailender. And if the pitches we are serving in ongoing series against aussies were used for that odi series, im sure Saffas would've choked like theres no tomorrow.

I can't wait for us to visit them and smash them all over the place in their own backyard. 2

Are you lost? This thread is about ODIs. Good luck with smashing the Saffers in South Africa though.

So, in today's ODI Kohli scored 92 as it was flat pitch at home but no one else was able to score as they had to play on different pitch. In PP as one inning determines batsman being choker, HTB, etc. I would like to get expert opinions of experts like Proactive, Bilal 7.

Thanks in advance.

Quality knock today. I rate Kohli as a great batsman so not a surprise either. He is the best ODI batsman from both sides playing this series.

I'm just asking would you have held Zaheer responsible if India lost since you're pinning the entire blame of WC 96 QF defeat on Waqar and his death bowling.. nice try at a cop out though.

He doesn't read very well, unfortunately.

 

[kingusama92]

Top innings today.

Pitch wasn't easy.

 

[Tusker]

I'm just asking would you have held Zaheer responsible if India lost since you're pinning the entire blame of WC 96 QF defeat on Waqar and his death bowling.. nice try at a cop out though.

If you ignore the context this is what happens and leads to people trolling you. In the context of that match 275 was still well below par and much of the credit for that goes to Zack for completely strangling SL early on from which they only partially recovered. if India hadn't chased that it would be a batting failure. In any case Zacks match figures are better than Waqar and India won comfortably. So the cop out joke is on you.

But in Waqar's case conceeding 287 in 49 overs to THAT Indian side was pretty much end of match. Chasing that kind of total those days was rare... even with Venky bowling.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is very very hard to do what he is doing. Showing remarkable consistency for 6 years. Above all he is such a glorious batsman to watch. As i said using filters you can make any batsman look worse. Those are merely academic. At the end of the day how the opposition rates you is what counts. Actual players who play against them. He proved his legendary status years back. Whatever he does in the future will only add feathers to his crown.

 

[Buffet]

Top innings today.

Pitch wasn't easy.

Pitch must have been flat if Kohli scored. I didn't see the match, but it's a good indicator of flatness of pitch.

 

[squarecut]

Pitch must have been flat if Kohli scored. I didn't see the match, but it's a good indicator of flatness of pitch.

Yes, the pitch was flat when Kohli batted. It was unplayable when others batted.

So either Kohli was the greatest modern day batsman

Or

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar was the greatest modern day bowler .

Wait. The pitch was flat when Kohli batted.

Pitch was helpful when Bhuvaneshwar Kumar bowled.

 

[kingusama92]

Pitch must have been flat if Kohli scored. I didn't see the match, but it's a good indicator of flatness of pitch.

Kohli showed a natural willingness to curb his game against AUS.

Completely diffused their plan to nibble away outside the off stump.

 

[Proactive_]

If you ignore the context this is what happens and leads to people trolling you. In the context of that match 275 was still well below par and much of the credit for that goes to Zack for completely strangling SL early on from which they only partially recovered. if India hadn't chased that it would be a batting failure. In any case Zacks match figures are better than Waqar and India won comfortably. So the cop out joke is on you.

But in Waqar's case conceeding 287 in 49 overs to THAT Indian side was pretty much end of match. Chasing that kind of total those days was rare... even with Venky bowling.

The context is clear. You're accusing Waqar of being almost single handedly responsible for the 96 defeat saying that he gave away way too many runs in the last over while cutting slack for Zaheer despite the fact that he gave away 35+ in his last two as well included 17 against a low order batsman in the last over. Only because the Indian team could chase it doesn't mean that you absolve Zaheer of the fact that "according to you" he had a horrid final and would have single handedly been responsible if India hadn't chased that total. See the obvious fallacy in your argument?

 

[Tusker]

The context is clear. You're accusing Waqar of being almost single handedly responsible for the 96 defeat saying that he gave away way too many runs in the last over while cutting slack for Zaheer despite the fact that he gave away 35+ in his last two as well included 17 against a low order batsman in the last over. Only because the Indian team could chase it doesn't mean that you absolve Zaheer of the fact that "according to you" he had a horrid final and would have single handedly been responsible if India hadn't chased that total. See the obvious fallacy in your argument?

Did you forget the main context again ? 275 in 50 is well below Par score in 2011 compared to 287 in 49 which is like todays 325 aleast if not more. Therefore your logic does not hold.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

287 in 1996 was a HUGE score, and if Waqar had not been smashed like a club bowler in his last 2 overs, we would have won easily.

Waqar choked, but he is still ATG. Same with Kohli. Some people here have pathetic views.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Yes, the pitch was flat when Kohli batted. It was unplayable when others batted.

So either Kohli was the greatest modern day batsman

Or

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar was the greatest modern day bowler .

Wait. The pitch was flat when Kohli batted.

Pitch was helpful when Bhuvaneshwar Kumar bowled.

This is sarcastic post but some posters seriously have this thought process, when asked about ashwin's achievements he says anyone can pick wickets on those minefields where even Indian batsman have trouble scoring 50 but when countered with kohli's 55+ average on those minefields, he says kohli only scored his runs when the pitch was a patta

 

[Hasan123]

Very good innings on a difficult wicket.