"I have played in the IPL, but for Tests, I always credit first-class cricket" : Jasprit Bumrah

[LordJames]

"I have played in the IPL, but for Tests, I always credit first-class cricket" : Jasprit Bumrah

Ever since former Australia cricketer-turned commentator, Kerry O'Keeffe's distasteful comments on Mayank Agarwal and Ranji Trophy hit the headlines, members from the India cricket team have been talking up the country's premier domestic tournament and the role it has played in shaping up their careers.

Call it coincidence or not, Jasprit Bumrah, on Friday, made it a point to attribute his success to the experience he had gained from playing first-class cricket back in the country.

Speaking to the media in Melbourne after running through Australia's fragile batting order on Day 3 of the ongoing Boxing Day Test, Bumrah said India's pacers were trying to use their first-class experience to get the Kookaburra ball to reverse swing.

Notably, Bumrah, Mohammed Shami and Ishant Sharma got the ball to reverse swing on the slow MCG pitch and troubled the Australian batsmen. The hosts were bowled out for 151 in their first innings, thanks to Bumrah's maiden fifer on Australian soil.

"When we play on similar wickets back home, the ball reverses. So you try to make the most of it. We were trying to use our experience in First-Class cricket where we have bowled with reverse-swinging balls. That was the plan," Bumrah said.

Bumrah also insisted that first-class cricket played a bigger role than his Indian Premier League (IPL) stints with Mumbai Indians in shaping up his Test and ODI careers.

"... Yes, I have played in the IPL. But for Test match cricket, I always credit first-class cricket. IPL is four overs but over there you have to continuously bowl. So first-class cricket has really helped shape my career, even in ODI cricket and Test matches," Bumrah said in a video interview available on BCCI's official website.

Notably, O'Keeffe had kicked up a storm during the opening day of the ongoing Boxing Day Test by passing a deplorable comment on Mayank Agarwal's achievements in Ranji Trophy, India's premier domestic tournament.

O'Keeffe had quipped behind the mic while commentating on air that Mayank Agarwal would have got his triple hundred in the Ranji Trophy against a team that had "Railway canteen staff".

The senior commentator was forced to apologise after his distasteful comments hit the nerve of Indian cricket fans and the head coach, Ravi Shastri.

Making a cheeky comment, Shastri responded to O'Keeffe's remarks: "He [Mayank] has got a message for Kerry... 'when you do open your canteen, he wants to come and smell the coffee. He wants to compare it to the ones back in India...coffee here's better or the ones back home'."

Meanwhile, Mayank Agarwal showed once again that he belongs to the highest level by coming up with a solid knock in the second innings even as Pat Cummins was removing established Indian batsmen, including Virat Kohli and Cheteshwar Pujara, at the other end.

Agarwal remained unbeaten on 28 (79 balls) as India huffed and puffed to 54 for 5 at stumps on Day 3.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...erry-o-keeffe-ravi-shastri-1419086-2018-12-28

 

[Abdullah719]

Very impressed with his bowling.

 

[Abdullah719]

Virat Kohli, Jasprit Bumrah laud India's domestic cricket structure after Kerry O'Keeffe's comments

Indian skipper Virat Kohli lauded India's first-class cricket and stressed on the importance of the domestic set-up after India trumped Australia by 137 runs at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, on Sunday.

Player of the Match, Jasprit Bumrah, too resonated his captain's view as he credited the Ranji Trophy, India's premier domestic First-Class competition, for his success.

“Our first-class cricket is amazing, which is why we won. Credit must go to first-class set-up in India, which challenges our fast bowlers in India, and that helps them abroad,” Kohli said in the post-match presentation.

When asked the fast bowler how his body was holding up after sending down 140 overs in three weeks, "Not too bad," replied Bumrah.

"We train for this because we want to play cricket for longer periods of time. So our training comes into play. Yes, we have been use to bowling lot of overs in Ranji Trophy, so that was actually great grooming for us (fast bowlers) to gradually graduate to Test cricket," said the Gujarat based pacer after claiming nine wickets in MCG Test, the best by any Indian bowler.

The comments from the players come after few jibes were taken at the quality of India's domestic structure of cricket. Australian commentators on air during the Test, particularly Kerry O'Keefe and Mark Waugh, were observed making some remark in the name of humour which didn't go down well with the visiting side or their supporters.

On the fourth day, India's bowling coach Bharat Arun had remarked that they should "channelise all the hurt and that should answer the questions," when asked about the comments made on air.

Fox Sports commentator, O'Keefe, first called the bowlers against whom Mayank Agarwal scored his triple century in First-Class cricket as "canteen staff".

However, O'Keefe, later at the end of first day, apologised for his comments.

India head coach Ravi Shastri didn't hold back to return the favour on the second day in an interview with the same channel.

"Mayank's got a message for Kerry," said Shastri. "When you do open your canteen, he wants to come and smell the coffee. And he wants to compare it to the ones back home in India. Is the coffee better here in your canteen, or the one back home?"

O'Keefe attracted more criticism after he took a dig at Chesteshwar Pujara and Ravindra Jadeja.

"Why would you name your kid Cheteshwar Jadeja," O'Keefe said while commentating.

After the Test match, O'Keefe also wrote an open letter to the fans and players after receiving aspersion from both parties for his comments that stirred the controversy.

https://www.firstpost.com/firstcric...e-after-beating-australia-at-mcg-5811761.html

 

[happydavy]

Shastri is too touchy and sensitive. Whatever Keefe said might be distasteful but why does the whole team and coach need to get involved on a stupid comment in their broadcasting channels. Imagine every time Aussies start responding to Indian media like aajtak - "kangaroo ko dharast Kar Diya" , "Kangaroos ko uchal uchal ke bhagaya" blah blah

 

[Saj]

It's simple - a strong and well organised First-class structure = a strong Test team.

BCCI has invested heavily in First-class cricket and is now reaping the rewards.

 

[ILcricket]

It's simple - a strong and well organised First-class structure = a strong Test team.

BCCI has invested heavily in First-class cricket and is now reaping the rewards.

This is what i said on a thread about why Pakistan not producing likes of Shaw & Gill .

 

[Saj]

From my interview with Pujara:

Throughout the years India has always produced great batsmen, but in the modern era, a number of very good pace bowlers are coming out of India, why do you think that is?

CP: I think the Indian Premier League has to be given credit for this. The IPL is producing a lot of very good pace bowlers. Apart from the IPL, I think there are a lot of young cricketers in India who want to be fast bowlers and perhaps that wasn't the case in the past.

These boys are working very hard and focusing on pace bowling from a young age and nowadays there are a lot of opportunities in India for young, fast bowlers, whereas in the past it was all about spinners.These days India goes on overseas tours with a very strong pace-bowling group and credit must be given to the BCCI for this because they have focused on building a group of good quality fast-bowlers to serve India around the world.

 

[IAJ]

The competition for a spot in Indian senior team, no matter format, is crazy tough. They can field at least 3 very good teams in all formats; India seniors, India A and India B.

 

[MMHS]

It's simple - a strong and well organised First-class structure = a strong Test team.

BCCI has invested heavily in First-class cricket and is now reaping the rewards.

I would differ a little bro : a strong and well organised First-class structure = a strong cricket team.

T20 is a new format- still it’s tactics & skills are not established, understood or mastered by cricket world - give 10-12 years more, you’ll see countries with better domestic FC system doing well. This was true for ODI as well - eventually AUS, SAF, ENG & IND has been consistently dominant ODI sides. Same should happen in T20 as well within few years. T20 is a bowling game - without FC cricket, bowling can’t improve.

By nature cricket is the slowest game - you have to give enough time to master this. T20 is just a faster application - unless the core isn’t there, a player won’t be better in T20 either. We are going through a transition period of T20 where most of the top players had already mastered their game from FC cricket - wait for few more years, once this generation is phased out, T20 team status will also be determined by the quality of domestic FC cricket.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Have always liked his bowling. Skillful bowler.

He is the 2nd best test bowler in world cricket right now after Rababa imo.

 

[jashan83]

The comments of O'Keefe were really distasteful. Every country is producing cricketers from these systems only. Thinking of your system as A class and rest as crap is arrogant attitude. With all the flaws we keep pointing, even Pak system is a decent one. It has regularly produced world class players in the past and even good ones now if not great. Again very distasteful comments

 

[Bhaijaan]

Proud of Bumrah for sticking to his roots and giving the importance and respect to first class cricket that it deserves. What it quickly tells you is the ethics and psychology of this team. No matter how much you criticise Kohli and Shastri they have instilled a hard working and ruthless culture in this team where test/fc cricket prowess is given absolute importance.

In agreement with my brother [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]’s comments above. A good and hard first class cricket structure is the backbone of any successful cricket nation. The leagues and everything else is there to support financially and has helped making players take fitness a lot more seriously but a young player is never going to develop his game purely playing T20s even for T20s themselves. Eventually a good player will unlock his potential and start dominating T20s but you will rarely see the other way around.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Shocking and heart breaking statement for IPL fans.

 

[CricketCartoons]

he is right. first class helps in skill development. IPL only prepares them to perform in high pressure situations and cut throat competition with elite cricketers.

 

[Varun]

Should've said that he does well in tests in spite of the IPL.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Should've said that he does well in tests in spite of the IPL.

That would hv made him look as stupid as IPL haters in this forum who are first to comment in any IPL thread. Thing is, everyone is aware that first class cricket is the only parameter to get selected in test team. The fact that Pujara our main stay in test batting is not even a part of IPL says it all. Bumrah is not saying anything new here.

 

[ikky47]

Quality pacer what a find for India! Combined all formats just behind Rabada atm. Top 3 imo are Rabada, Bumrah & Boult. Cummins is also not far behind.

 

[rhony]

All this first class talk is a retort to OKeeffe's comments. Bumrah has many times in interviews credited IPL for everything he knows.

All of a sudden Bidhan Bedi's alias Bhaag veeru Bhaag are excited. Calm down. If not for IPL and John Wright, Bumrah would still be playing in Ahmedabad T20 league with that weird action.

Case in point? Bumrah did not play any first class cricket in 2017. None. He was selected into the test team in 2018 based on his LOI exploits and those are thanks to IPL.

 

[ILcricket]

All this first class talk is a retort to OKeeffe's comments. Bumrah has many times in interviews credited IPL for everything he knows.

All of a sudden Bidhan Bedi's alias Bhaag veeru Bhaag are excited. Calm down. If not for IPL and John Wright, Bumrah would still be playing in Ahmedabad T20 league with that weird action.

Case in point? Bumrah did not play any first class cricket in 2017. None. He was selected into the test team in 2018 based on his LOI exploits and those are thanks to IPL.

just to crack your mirror a bit, Bumrah did play 35 1st class matches & picked up 137 wickets at under 24 . Yes , IPL did take him up as they do with any promising Indian pacer but just compare what even domestic cricket in India pays with rest & then if you take next step here , you are suddenly uber rich .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That would hv made him look as stupid as IPL haters in this forum who are first to comment in any IPL thread. Thing is, everyone is aware that first class cricket is the only parameter to get selected in test team. The fact that Pujara our main stay in test batting is not even a part of IPL says it all. Bumrah is not saying anything new here.

Bumrah is just clearing the doubt of those fans who were thinking that IPL is behind his success in test cricket. What's wrong in that? Why are you overreacting as always? You should be happy that Bumrah has not given you a chance this time to create those stupid excuses threads you always come up with whenever India lose a match.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

All this first class talk is a retort to OKeeffe's comments. Bumrah has many times in interviews credited IPL for everything he knows.

All of a sudden Bidhan Bedi's alias Bhaag veeru Bhaag are excited. Calm down. If not for IPL and John Wright, Bumrah would still be playing in Ahmedabad T20 league with that weird action.

Case in point? Bumrah did not play any first class cricket in 2017. None. He was selected into the test team in 2018 based on his LOI exploits and those are thanks to IPL.

I think Bumrah knows about himself better than you? Guys like you and [MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION] are quick to bring in these ex cricketers statements to support your arguments. Now when the shoe is on the other foot you are going against Bumrah's comment. Well done Umar Akmal alias rhony.

 

[rhony]

I think Bumrah knows about himself better than you? Guys like you and [MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION] are quick to bring in these ex cricketers statements to support your arguments. Now when the shoe is on the other foot you are going against Bumrah's comment. Well done Umar Akmal alias rhony.

Haha. Sure. Bumrah has not played first class cricket for an entire year and was selected into test cricket in 2018 and you had no comment on that. That's good enough for now Mr. Bedi.

 

[Sidilicious]

All this first class talk is a retort to OKeeffe's comments. Bumrah has many times in interviews credited IPL for everything he knows.

All of a sudden Bidhan Bedi's alias Bhaag veeru Bhaag are excited. Calm down. If not for IPL and John Wright, Bumrah would still be playing in Ahmedabad T20 league with that weird action.

Case in point? Bumrah did not play any first class cricket in 2017. None. He was selected into the test team in 2018 based on his LOI exploits and those are thanks to IPL.

You do not learn how to bowl in test cricket, by bowling 4 overs in IPL.

The LOI form may have helped him to get into the Test side, but the actual skills were picked in Ranji Trophy.

 

[Sidilicious]

I think Bumrah knows about himself better than you? Guys like you and [MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION] are quick to bring in these ex cricketers statements to support your arguments. Now when the shoe is on the other foot you are going against Bumrah's comment. Well done Umar Akmal alias rhony.

Fair point. But in the future, you should also take the comments from cricketers at face value.

 

[Tusker]

Bumrah is just clearing the doubt of those fans who were thinking that IPL is behind his success in test cricket. What's wrong in that? Why are you overreacting as always? You should be happy that Bumrah has not given you a chance this time to create those stupid excuses threads you always come up with whenever India lose a match.

Here is the simple thing that you do not get or deliberately ignore - Without the lucrative incentive that IPL offers many players would not even have bothered to take up cricket in India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Haha. Sure. Bumrah has not played first class cricket for an entire year and was selected into test cricket in 2018 and you had no comment on that. That's good enough for now Mr. Bedi.

Not sure what type of cricket you follow but in normal cricket nobody will get selected into a test team because of his performance in T20s. Also its not my fault if you can't understand the difference between bowling 4 overs in a day versus 20 overs in a day. And when the man in the OP himself has confessed it then who are you to question his statement? You are infact the umer akmal of this forum.

 

[Pete Rose]

Here is the simple thing that you do not get or deliberately ignore - Without the lucrative incentive that IPL offers many players would not even have bothered to take up cricket in India.

Maybe it’s more nuanced than that. It’s not that they took up cricket because of IPL. But the IPL gave them the financial security and ease of mind that allowed them to not be plying international cricket with the fear of getting dropped and losing their livelihood

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Fair point. But in the future, you should also take the comments from cricketers at face value.

I am just using their logic and exposing their hypocrisy. I think you should ask them to remain consistent because this is the same thing they do whenever someone questions any player's statement.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Bumrah is just clearing the doubt of those fans who were thinking that IPL is behind his success in test cricket. What's wrong in that? Why are you overreacting as always? You should be happy that Bumrah has not given you a chance this time to create those stupid excuses threads you always come up with whenever India lose a match.

Which part of my post did you see an overreaction? I simply agreed with Bumrah but what he is saying is obvious. First class games has always been parameter in Indian cricket for selecting test players.

Butler says IPL helped him to get back into test side, he was just saying for money. But we should accept Bumrah blindly.

#Hypocracy

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Here is the simple thing that you do not get or deliberately ignore - Without the lucrative incentive that IPL offers many players would not even have bothered to take up cricket in India.

Don't post rubbish here. May be you started watching cricket after the advent of Pyjama League but FYI cricket was always popular in India before that as well. Thanks to Sunny, Kapil and Sachin.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Which part of my post did you see an overreaction? I simply agreed with Bumrah but what he is saying is obvious. First class games has always been parameter in Indian cricket for selecting test players.

Butler says IPL helped him to get back into test side, he was just saying for money. But we should accept Bumrah blindly.

#Hypocracy

I am the one who is exposing your hypocrisy here dear. When I said that Buttler was saying it for money you guys were questionning me. Now you should be the first ones to agree with Bumrah here.

 

[Sidilicious]

Here is the simple thing that you do not get or deliberately ignore - Without the lucrative incentive that IPL offers many players would not even have bothered to take up cricket in India.

Did Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Kapil Dev and Kohli take up cricket because of the money in IPL? When Kohli started his career, there were no IPL riches. There is enough passion for cricket in India that they would have taken up the sport. But the fact is that the IPL has helped our crop of fast bowlers. So, no one is denying the use of IPL in India.

But you do not learn how to bowl in test cricket, by bowling 4 overs a day in the IPL. Heck, you dont learn how to bowl in the IPL by playing in the IPL. Even a lot of the skills these bowlers showcase in the IPL come from either first class cricket or 50 over cricket.

 

[cricketindiafan]

IPL haters on this thread are back.

Listen guys read this interview and mourn

http://m-dynm01.bcci.tv/news/2016/f...3/bumrah-credits-ipl-for-maiden-india-call-up

Bumrah credits IPL for maiden India call-up

Bumrah’s rise to prominence came by in IPL 2013, when Wright pulled him out of obscurity and put him on the big stage. He made his IPL debut for the Mumbai Indians, against the Royal Challengers Bangalore, and ended with 3 for 32. Of his three victims was Virat Kohli.

Bumrah vividly remembers the events that led to him being pencilled in into the MI squad. “That year I wasn’t even expecting to make it to the Ranji Trophy side. I had only played two T20 domestic matches and then suddenly I was in an IPL team. That was a totally unexpected great feeling,” he said.

It all began with the final two matches of the Syed Mushtaq Ali T20 tournament, 2013, for young Jasprit Bumrah. Mumbai Indians coach, John Wright was one of the spectators there. The former India coach was so impressed by the 19-year-old pacer from Gujarat that Bumrah almost immediately got a call from the IPL franchise offering him a contract.

Now, three years later, Bumrah is among the highest wicket-takers (14 scalps) in the same tournament. And this time his reward is a maiden call-up to Team India.

The 22-year-old has been picked to replace injured Mohammed Shami in the India squad for the three-match T20I series in Australia. Bumrah knew he has been in contention for a while now, but the anticipation has made the moment only more joyous for him.

“It is a wonderful feeling. I was expecting this since I was on standby,” Bumrah told BCCI.TV.” But still, it is a very nice feeling. I cannot really describe it. We have been playing matches non-stop and you don’t get the time to really sit and process all that is happening in your life. Maybe on the flight to Australia, when I have a lot of time on my hand, it will start"

It was after the IPL that Bumrah made his first-class debut, in the same year, and in 18 matches since then, has 64 wickets to his name at an average of 25.01. In T20s, the pacer has 52 wickets from 47 matches.

The pacer from Gujarat has no qualms in admitting that his development as a cricketer began in the MI dressing room, rubbing shoulders with some of the giants of international cricket.

“IPL has helped me tremendously. Every year I learn something new at the IPL. It has shaped me as a cricketer. I have learned so much from all the senior bowlers in the Mumbai Indians – Lasith Malinga, Zaheer (Khan) bhai was with us earlier as well. For me, the IPL is a great platform to learn and develop as a cricketer.

“Most of what I have learned has been about preparation and handling pressure in big games. These guys have played international cricket, they have played in the World Cups. So, they could tell me what to expect, how to prepare for matches mentally and physically, what sort of training you should do and things like that.

“It has made me much more confident not only as a cricketer but also as a person. “Before domestic cricket I played in the IPL. When you do well in a tournament like that, you are more assured in yourself that you will do well on the domestic circuit.”

Now as he readies himself to embark on his first stint in the Indian dressing room, Bumrah once again banks on his IPL experience and the familiarity of the players he played with and against.

Now please do not say he was forced to say good things about IPL.

 

[Tusker]

Maybe it’s more nuanced than that. It’s not that they took up cricket because of IPL. But the IPL gave them the financial security and ease of mind that allowed them to not be plying international cricket with the fear of getting dropped and losing their livelihood

It is a simple fact of life in most fields that people will gravitate to the most lucrative and easiest option available. In cricket that is IPL. Playing for India is a huge bonus but if that doesn't happen then they still have a viable career. You can see it in India. Parents are asking for coaches to teach their kids T20 skills.

 

[Bewal Express]

The guy is the best fast bowler in the world in all formats.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

I am the one who is exposing your hypocrisy here dear. When I said that Buttler was saying it for money you guys were questionning me. Now you should be the first ones to agree with Bumrah here.

Oh wow...I got so badly exposed

This is the 3rd time I am posting in this thread that I agree with what Bumrah is saying. Which part you are not understanding? First class cricket has always been the parameter to select test cricket. A fool would disagree with Bumrah and I am smart bruv.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

IPL haters on this thread are back.

Listen guys read this interview and mourn

http://m-dynm01.bcci.tv/news/2016/f...3/bumrah-credits-ipl-for-maiden-india-call-up



Now please do not say he was forced to say good things about IPL.

You are looking so desperate. Where did Bumrah give credit to IPL for his test performances? Read the thread title and the topic at hand before jumping into discussion.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It is a simple fact of life in most fields that people will gravitate to the most lucrative and easiest option available. In cricket that is IPL. Playing for India is a huge bonus but if that doesn't happen then they still have a viable career. You can see it in India. Parents are asking for coaches to teach their kids T20 skills.

So playing for IPL is their dream and playing for India is a bonus? What world are we living in these days lol?

 

[Sidilicious]

IPL haters on this thread are back.

Listen guys read this interview and mourn

http://m-dynm01.bcci.tv/news/2016/f...3/bumrah-credits-ipl-for-maiden-india-call-up



Now please do not say he was forced to say good things about IPL.

to be fair, he credits IPL for his selection into the LOI side, not the test side.

 

[Sidilicious]

It is a simple fact of life in most fields that people will gravitate to the most lucrative and easiest option available. In cricket that is IPL. Playing for India is a huge bonus but if that doesn't happen then they still have a viable career. You can see it in India. Parents are asking for coaches to teach their kids T20 skills.

So playing for IPL is their dream and playing for India is a bonus? What world are we living in these days lol?

Did Kohli, Kapil, Sachin, Dravid or Gavaskar choose cricket as a career because of IPL?

 

[Tusker]

Did Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Kapil Dev and Kohli take up cricket because of the money in IPL? When Kohli started his career, there were no IPL riches. There is enough passion for cricket in India that they would have taken up the sport. But the fact is that the IPL has helped our crop of fast bowlers. So, no one is denying the use of IPL in India.

Sure that is true as well but with IPL now we have opened the doors for a totally different segment - those that cannot pay bills by just indulging in passion alone.

But you do not learn how to bowl in test cricket, by bowling 4 overs a day in the IPL. Heck, you dont learn how to bowl in the IPL by playing in the IPL. Even a lot of the skills these bowlers showcase in the IPL come from either first class cricket or 50 over cricket.

Without T20 Bumrah would not even have been spotted so there would be no question of him learning how to play Test cricket. He is the classic example of how the IPL ecosystem finds good talent and helps buid them up for higher challenges.

 

[cricketindiafan]

to be fair, he credits IPL for his selection into the LOI side, not the test side.

Credits IPL for his growth as a bowler and supporting him even before he made his Ranji debut for Gujarat. Rest does not matter.

He’s hardly played domestic cricket since he started playing FC cricket, just 3-4 matches sporadically, none in last two years.

 

[Sidilicious]

Sure that is true as well but with IPL now we have opened the doors for a totally different segment - those that cannot pay bills by just indulging in passion alone.



Without T20 Bumrah would not even have been spotted so there would be no question of him learning how to play Test cricket. He is the classic example of how the IPL ecosystem finds good talent and helps buid them up for higher challenges.

Actually, Bumrah had already played 2 domestic T20 games before he was called for the IPL, and was expected to be selected in the Ranji side for next season.

"He hit the headlines with a Man-of-the-Match performance in the final of the Syed Mushtaq Ali tournament, and he impressed Mumbai's coach John Wright earlier in the tournament with his bowling in the league stage in Ahmedabad. "John Wright had come to watch one of our T20 matches and he watched me bowl in two games," Bumrah said. "He didn't talk to me or hint anything. After he went, I got a call asking if I was interested in signing a contract with the Mumbai Indians."

Source: Cricinfo

 

[Sidilicious]

Credits IPL for his growth as a bowler and supporting him even before he made his Ranji debut for Gujarat. Rest does not matter.

He’s hardly played domestic cricket since he started playing FC cricket, just 3-4 matches sporadically, none in last two years.

So, is he lying that Ranji has helped him?

Since his debut in 2013 he has played 26 matches. Thats about 26 matches in 4 seasons (2013-14, 14-15, 15-16, 16-17) before he got picked for the Indian team. 15-16 and 16-17 he was away for India duty mostly. Despite that he averaged about 6.5 matches a season.

In the group stage, a team normally plays 8 matches a season. So, effectively, he played most of those matches.

Also, in the 16-17 season, when Gujarat won the trophy, he played in most matches till the semi-finals. He was called for India duty before the finals.

 

[Tusker]

Actually, Bumrah had already played 2 domestic T20 games before he was called for the IPL, and was expected to be selected in the Ranji side for next season.

Expectations only. Not reality. The reality is the T20 tournament he was playing where Wright spotted him wouldn't exist in the old school orthodox structure that gave us the Tendulkars and Dravids. If he was such a purist he wouldn't even be playing in those T20 leagues. Which is why the IPL driven ecosystem deserves credit. Also credit to BCCI for not having a condescending attitude towards T20 like Bhaag Veeru has. They are always open to the possibility that T20 cricketers can succeed in ODI and Test Cricket to.

 

[Sidilicious]

People need to differentiate between learning the skills and gaining exposure.

IPL has helped in the following areas
1. Better training - due to exposure to international facilities and coaches
2. Finance not an issue - Money. Cricket becomes their only profession
3. Exposure to international cricketers - Helps in gaining confidence
4. Progress of fast Bowlers in India - With 7 spots reserved for Indians, the teams need to have a couple of good Indian fast bowlers in the team. So more effort is being put into getting world class Indian bowlers.

But Ranji and 50 over circket helps in
1. Developing skills - for bowlers and batsman
2. Learning to play test cricket - the mental aspect, the patience etc

 

[Birdman]

Don't post rubbish here. May be you started watching cricket after the advent of Pyjama League but FYI cricket was always popular in India before that as well. Thanks to Sunny, Kapil and Sachin.

Yes, International cricket was popular, it really skyrocketed in the early 90’s when cable TV became popular. But Ranji trophy was played in empty stadiums. Also many rajnji cricketers were paid peanuts and had to have a day job. Unless someone made it to the national team their future was not set. In Tamilnadu most of the cricketers upper middle class.

IPL paved way fro people to believe that they can make a living in cricket. Before IPL there were 4 cricketers for TN who sorta made it ok in cricket, they are Venkatragavan, Srikkanth, W.V Raman, Laxman Shivaramakrishnan,and Badani. If you noticed that the first 4 are Brahmins so unless you were a Brahmin it was was tough even to make it in state team.
IPL opened cricket to everyone.

 

[Sidilicious]

Expectations only. Not reality. The reality is the T20 tournament he was playing where Wright spotted him wouldn't exist in the old school orthodox structure that gave us the Tendulkars and Dravids. If he was such a purist he wouldn't even be playing in those T20 leagues. Which is why the IPL driven ecosystem deserves credit. Also credit to BCCI for not having a condescending attitude towards T20 like Bhaag Veeru has. They are always open to the possibility that T20 cricketers can succeed in ODI and Test Cricket to.

Fair enough. but the actual cricket skills are only picked up from longer form of cricket. The best players will always be those who have put in the hard work at the Ranji level. IF you compare the consistent performers for India vs those who have come and gone (even in T20I), the consistent performers have played a fair amount of first class cricket.

 

[Tusker]

First you said they are taking up cricket because of IPL then you followed it up with 'playing for India is a huge bonus' rubbish. What are you trying to prove here then? Are you confused or taking a u-turn now?

*sigh* let me simplify this for you

IPL offers money - lots of it. Therefore it attracts a new talent pool which would otherwise not exist as they cannot take up cricket as a financially viable option.

Do you agree with that or not ?

 

[rhony]

Not sure what type of cricket you follow but in normal cricket nobody will get selected into a test team because of his performance in T20s. Also its not my fault if you can't understand the difference between bowling 4 overs in a day versus 20 overs in a day. And when the man in the OP himself has confessed it then who are you to question his statement? You are infact the umer akmal of this forum.

Ok , you have not answered my question yet. He did NOT play a single first class game in 2017 and was yet selected for tests in 2018. That just shows no body gives two hoots. He would have been in oblivion if not for IPL. He grabbed his chances in T20s first, ODIs next and now tests. He could have learned skills in first class as every player does but would habe been another failed first class cricketer.

But again, you and that bone headed Bedi are the same. Your rigid views won't change because there is just no capacity to understand.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

*sigh* let me simplify this for you

IPL offers money - lots of it. Therefore it attracts a new talent pool which would otherwise not exist as they cannot take up cricket as a financially viable option.

Do you agree with that or not ?

You are again taking a u-turn now. Make up your mind first please. You are basically saying they are taking up cricket for IPL money and if they don't play for India then its ok. You are completely wrong here. 95% of the cricketers would like to play for India first and rest of them who think like you deserves to stay in a Pyjama League only.

 

[Tusker]

Fair enough. but the actual cricket skills are only picked up from longer form of cricket. The best players will always be those who have put in the hard work at the Ranji level. IF you compare the consistent performers for India vs those who have come and gone (even in T20I), the consistent performers have played a fair amount of first class cricket.

Nobody disagrees with that. But without IPL and its financial security people like Bumrah would be lost to the Indian cricket.

I will say this - India should have atleast 3 Test and ODI teams or the ICC should open up the rules and allow cricketers to go play Test cricket for other countries like AFG/IRL/BD instead of this stupid citizenship based criteria. Believe me there is no shortage of talent out there in India.

 

[MenInG]

STOP getting personal with each other or prepare to be banned!

 

[Tusker]

You are again taking a u-turn now. Make up your mind first please. You are basically saying they are taking up cricket for IPL money and if they don't play for India then its ok. You are completely wrong here. 95% of the cricketers would like to play for India first and rest of them who think like you deserves to stay in a Pyjama League only.

Answer that question in my previous post if you want to continue this discussion.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

"... Yes, I have played in the IPL. But for Test match cricket, I always credit first-class cricket. IPL is four overs but over there you have to continuously bowl. So first-class cricket has really helped shape my career, even in ODI cricket and Test matches," Bumrah said in a video interview available on BCCI's official website.

This is from the OP. I am not making this up. May be you two Pyjama League supporters forgot your rules. You have to agree with whatever an IPL superstar has said everytime. So now it is time for you to agree with Bumrah isn't it? [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] [MENTION=45053]cricketindiafan[/MENTION]

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Answer that question in my previous post if you want to continue this discussion.

What question? You are clearly agreeing with what I said about your opinion earlier. So why did you object to it in the first place? You are giving preference to IPL and according to you playing for India is a bonus. So where was I wrong about your opinion?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Nobody disagrees with that. But without IPL and its financial security people like Bumrah would be lost to the Indian cricket.

I will say this - India should have atleast 3 Test and ODI teams or the ICC should open up the rules and allow cricketers to go play Test cricket for other countries like AFG/IRL/BD instead of this stupid citizenship based criteria. Believe me there is no shortage of talent out there in India.

Seriously, what are you thinking today? 3 test and odi teams from India? We don't even have openers for our main team, middle order is unstable and you are looking to create 3 teams here. Great.

 

[Tusker]

What question? You are clearly agreeing with what I said about your opinion earlier. So why did you object to it in the first place? You are giving preference to IPL and according to you playing for India is a bonus. So where was I wrong about your opinion?

This question:

IPL offers money - lots of it. Therefore it attracts a new talent pool which would otherwise not exist as they cannot take up cricket as a financially viable option.

Do you agree with that or not ?

Once you answer that CLEARLY we can discuss your other points.

 

[Reyansh2017]

Bumrah has clearly given credit to first class cricket for his test performances. IPL fans are trying their best to deny that.

By the same token he has acknowledged ipl role in his development as a cricketer.

 

[MMHS]

Proud of Bumrah for sticking to his roots and giving the importance and respect to first class cricket that it deserves. What it quickly tells you is the ethics and psychology of this team. No matter how much you criticise Kohli and Shastri they have instilled a hard working and ruthless culture in this team where test/fc cricket prowess is given absolute importance.

In agreement with my brother [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]’s comments above. A good and hard first class cricket structure is the backbone of any successful cricket nation. The leagues and everything else is there to support financially and has helped making players take fitness a lot more seriously but a young player is never going to develop his game purely playing T20s even for T20s themselves. Eventually a good player will unlock his potential and start dominating T20s but you will rarely see the other way around.

Your last few lines are gold bhaijaaaan. It’ll never happen that you’ll learn hitting properly from 20 overs batting or learn the art of bowling at your desired spot/pace from 4 overs game. And, you won’t definitely learn Captaincy from cricket where batsmen attack you rather than your bowlers attack batsmen to force a result.

 

[Sidilicious]

Nobody disagrees with that. But without IPL and its financial security people like Bumrah would be lost to the Indian cricket.

I will say this - India should have atleast 3 Test and ODI teams or the ICC should open up the rules and allow cricketers to go play Test cricket for other countries like AFG/IRL/BD instead of this stupid citizenship based criteria. Believe me there is no shortage of talent out there in India.

Jeez man, how do you come up with stiff like that?

No shortage of talent in India? We are not able to beat England and SA away and haven't won an ICC trophy in the last 5 years. Had the Aussies of 00s asked this, then it would at leats merit a consideration (and then be laughed at), but we haven't even done anything to be an ATG team.

And 3 test and ODI teams? Its called an international cricket, not franchise cricket. Have you ever heard Brazil playing Brazil A and Brazil B in the World Cup

Some of the stuff you come up is unbelievable

 

[Tusker]

Jeez man, how do you come up with stiff like that?

No shortage of talent in India? We are not able to beat England and SA away and haven't won an ICC trophy in the last 5 years. Had the Aussies of 00s asked this, then it would at leats merit a consideration (and then be laughed at), but we haven't even done anything to be an ATG team.

And 3 test and ODI teams? Its called an international cricket, not franchise cricket. Have you ever heard Brazil playing Brazil A and Brazil B in the World Cup

Some of the stuff you come up is unbelievable

Look at the USA a country that does not believe in anything other than franchise sports. There is a lesson in that. How can it sustain soo many teams in 3 different sports ?

 

[Sidilicious]

Look at the USA a country that does not believe in anything other than franchise sports. There is a lesson in that. How can it sustain soo many teams in 3 different sports ?

IPL is a franchise sport, and they have multiple Indian teams.

And which international competition where countries are represented do the US have 3 teams? Please enlighten me of a World Cup where they have more than 1 team. Two sports that are mainly US driven - baseball (WBSC Premier 12) and Basketball (World Cup) have only 1 us team.

 

[Tusker]

IPL is a franchise sport, and they have multiple Indian teams.

And which international competition where countries are represented do the US have 3 teams? Please enlighten me of a World Cup where they have more than 1 team. Two sports that are mainly US driven - baseball (WBSC Premier 12) and Basketball (World Cup) have only 1 us team.

The US team certainly can field 2-3 basketball teams if the rules allowed (and if they cared enough for world titles). The point is there is no shortage of talent despite competition within the US itself amongst multiple sports. Whereas in India Cricket is the most popular sport by far and we are 4 times the population base as the USA so if we properly harness the talent pool why is it no possible to build multiple test teams ? Sure it is not going to happen overnight but I don't understand why you think it is such a pre-posterous idea.

 

[Tusker]

Proud of Bumrah for sticking to his roots and giving the importance and respect to first class cricket that it deserves. What it quickly tells you is the ethics and psychology of this team. No matter how much you criticise Kohli and Shastri they have instilled a hard working and ruthless culture in this team where test/fc cricket prowess is given absolute importance.

In agreement with my brother [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]’s comments above. A good and hard first class cricket structure is the backbone of any successful cricket nation. The leagues and everything else is there to support financially and has helped making players take fitness a lot more seriously but a young player is never going to develop his game purely playing T20s even for T20s themselves. Eventually a good player will unlock his potential and start dominating T20s but you will rarely see the other way around.

Your last few lines are gold bhaijaaaan. It’ll never happen that you’ll learn hitting properly from 20 overs batting or learn the art of bowling at your desired spot/pace from 4 overs game. And, you won’t definitely learn Captaincy from cricket where batsmen attack you rather than your bowlers attack batsmen to force a result.

Conversely a traditional Test player -let me use the example of Pujara here - is never going to succeed in T20 or ODIs no matter how many gazillion runs he scores in Test Cricket. Both skill-sets have their pros and cons. It is not right to ridicule either of them due to pre-conceived notions and agenda's. I thought players like Sehwag, Gilly etc settled that debate a long time ago. The game is wonderful that it can accommodate different styles of play. Lets enjoy that without feeling the need to ridicule any format.

 

[giri26]

All just stick to the topic and stop getting personal. This thread is not to discuss franchise models in other sports around the world

 

[MMHS]

Conversely a traditional Test player -let me use the example of Pujara here - is never going to succeed in T20 or ODIs no matter how many gazillion runs he scores in Test Cricket. Both skill-sets have their pros and cons. It is not right to ridicule either of them due to pre-conceived notions and agenda's. I thought players like Sehwag, Gilly etc settled that debate a long time ago. The game is wonderful that it can accommodate different styles of play. Lets enjoy that without feeling the need to ridicule any format.

My point wasn’t to ridicule any format, rather how the game works at development stage. Coming to Pujara, he is perceived as a Test specialist but it’s not that he can’t be successful in T20. He takes his time to start hitting freely but he has every shot on book - if you allow him to play at 1-2-3 in T20, he’ll definitely score runs, and score at a brisk pace. And, he can be damn successful in ODI as well. However, there are so many batsman available that he might not make the cut, but it’s not that he won’t be successful in LO cricket.

Pujara isn’t a strokeless wonder - rather he is a slow burner, a classic Test top order whose game suits perfectly for the longer format - had IND’s batting resources not been so rich, I am sure he would have played many more LOs, and be successful as well. Few years back, I am sure many people had said same for Rahne as well, but he was lucky to make IPL cut and that allowed him to play LOs for IND; Pujara failed in his early career (in LOs), and due to abundance of available options, he didn’t get much of a 2nd chance.

I give one classic example - the man scoring 36* in 60 overs at the end of career scored a 87 ball 100 in 1987, when a 125 ball 100 was considered express. And he had a <100 balls Test hundred as well, against that WIN side in 1983.

 

[WengerOut]

My point wasn’t to ridicule any format, rather how the game works at development stage. Coming to Pujara, he is perceived as a Test specialist but it’s not that he can’t be successful in T20. He takes his time to start hitting freely but he has every shot on book - if you allow him to play at 1-2-3 in T20, he’ll definitely score runs, and score at a brisk pace. And, he can be damn successful in ODI as well. However, there are so many batsman available that he might not make the cut, but it’s not that he won’t be successful in LO cricket.

Pujara isn’t a strokeless wonder - rather he is a slow burner, a classic Test top order whose game suits perfectly for the longer format - had IND’s batting resources not been so rich, I am sure he would have played many more LOs, and be successful as well. Few years back, I am sure many people had said same for Rahne as well, but he was lucky to make IPL cut and that allowed him to play LOs for IND; Pujara failed in his early career (in LOs), and due to abundance of available options, he didn’t get much of a 2nd chance.

I give one classic example - the man scoring 36* in 60 overs at the end of career scored a 87 ball 100 in 1987, when a 125 ball 100 was considered express. And he had a <100 balls Test hundred as well, against that WIN side in 1983.

I get your point, but there are no excuses for that 36* though

 

[jnaveen1980]

If i am right Bumrah grew under the tutelage of Malinga who never really set the test arena ablaze like Bumrah. Maling was an out and out expert in his specialized area. But outside that area he never grew as a bowler. That is where Bumrah differs. He is not all about Yorker and slow ball. He can still bowl a mean bouncer and bowl a ball at pace that decks away. His release point is rather high and makes it awkward.

 

[B_Positive]

LOL @Kerry. They dont have any good batsman to select in their side and he is talking silly about India's first class cricket who is producing elite cricketers one after the other. They so easily replaced Vijay, KL, Dhawan in tests. Even their replacement Prithvi Shaw was replaced. They must have many others waiting in lines. Who did Aussies select in place of Smith and Warner? Noone. They are just waiting for them to be back as if they will turn the fortunes around. Two players dont win you series.

 

[Tusker]

My point wasn’t to ridicule any format, rather how the game works at development stage. Coming to Pujara, he is perceived as a Test specialist but it’s not that he can’t be successful in T20. He takes his time to start hitting freely but he has every shot on book - if you allow him to play at 1-2-3 in T20, he’ll definitely score runs, and score at a brisk pace. And, he can be damn successful in ODI as well. However, there are so many batsman available that he might not make the cut, but it’s not that he won’t be successful in LO cricket.

Pujara isn’t a strokeless wonder - rather he is a slow burner, a classic Test top order whose game suits perfectly for the longer format - had IND’s batting resources not been so rich, I am sure he would have played many more LOs, and be successful as well. Few years back, I am sure many people had said same for Rahne as well, but he was lucky to make IPL cut and that allowed him to play LOs for IND; Pujara failed in his early career (in LOs), and due to abundance of available options, he didn’t get much of a 2nd chance.

Brisk Rate ? They did actually try him in ODIs and this is what he achieved in 5 ODIs : Avg of 10 at a Strike rate of 39.23 and his S/R in T20s is 102. Sorry but that tells me he has limited shot range , inability to rotate strike, improvise , and just no attacking game. His game plan is pretty one-dimensional - wait for bad balls. That will work only in Test Cricket. And even there he needs stroke makers around him to keep the scoreboard moving.

I give one classic example - the man scoring 36* in 60 overs at the end of career scored a 87 ball 100 in 1987, when a 125 ball 100 was considered express. And he had a <100 balls Test hundred as well, against that WIN side in 1983.

not the right example. Unlike Pujara Sunny had all shots in the book but just did not care for ODIs for large part of his career. Yet it took him many years to notch up a ODI hundred. The art of batting is different in ODIs and it took him a lot of time to adapt.

 

[topspin]

Many congrats to Bumrah. He’s an ATG in the making. What a bowler he is!

 

[Mamoon]

What an incredible bowler. His pace, energy, fitness, consistency etc. are remarkable - if he can keep this up for a few more years, and there is no reason why he shouldn't, he will comfortably be India's greatest pacer ever.