Pakistan’s pacers and India’s Jasprit Bumrah dependency: Has the balance shifted?

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic... No personal remarks

 

[Mesozoic]

I’ve committed the ultimate sin: dared to critique Indian cricket. Cue the Indian troll avalanche.

Indian fast bowling is in a league of its own. Galaxies ahead. Light-years beyond. Comparing it to anything else, let alone Pakistani pace, is a fool’s errand.

Shall we move on.

There's nothing wrong in criticizing anyone. But if you are using dumb logic and garbage reasoning to back up that criticism, then you are expected to be ridiculed by others.

Ever since this thread was made , Pakistani fast bowlers have not won a single game for you guys..heck haven't even got their team into winning positions atleast. In four months... not even a single game. And the funny thing is .. I'm not even surprised.

 

[RyanRyan10]

There's nothing wrong in criticizing anyone. But if you are using dumb logic and garbage reasoning to back up that criticism, then you are expected to be ridiculed by others.

Ever since this thread was made , Pakistani fast bowlers have not won a single game for you guys..heck haven't even got their team into winning positions atleast. In four months... not even a single game. And the funny thing is .. I'm not even surprised.

Whatever you said is true but the last line sounds bit rude. Pakistan are an unpredictable team and one should not underestimate them.

 

[Bhaijaan]

We need a batting super weapon asap. India has produced a bowling super weapon which wasn’t thought to be possible until Bumrah.

Now it’s our turn to give the world a Pakistani Sachin or Kohli. My pick? Babar “Bobbzy” Azam. Has the ancestry of both. (Potentially) a T20 menace and a Test stalwart.

Can he do it in the second half of his career? Crazier things have been done in cricket.

I think Saim bhai has shown promise. Hopefully he fast tracks his development to become a premier batsman

 

[kron]

Pace bowling around world is in transition

By mid of next year in the WTC attacks of the top teams could well be

India: Akashdeep, Arshdeep, Harshit
Aus: Cummins, Jhye, Spencer
Eng: Potts, Atkinson, Carse
NZ: Henry, Will O'Rourke, Sears
SA: Rabada, Jansen, Mpheka

SA looks to be best poised in pace bowling for next cycle. If Rickelton, Stubbs can step up on batting front then they should be leading contender for best Test team.

No its India

 

[Hellion]

We need a batting super weapon asap. India has produced a bowling super weapon which wasn’t thought to be possible until Bumrah.

Now it’s our turn to give the world a Pakistani Sachin or Kohli. My pick? Babar “Bobbzy” Azam. Has the ancestry of both. (Potentially) a T20 menace and a Test stalwart.

Can he do it in the second half of his career? Crazier things have been done in cricket.

Pakistan needs bowling weapons , if not super weapons first. Current bowling attack is decent but that's about it.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

These Indian fans have forgotten their legacy of Kurvilla, Mohanty, Kanishka, Sunil Joshi and Robin Singh. They got one Bhumrah who is admittedly close to ATG already and may end up one of the best of all time and they have gotten too high for their boots. Even now without Bhumrah, we have arguably a better attack with Shaheen and Naseem being comfortably better than jokers like Siraj and Rana. Shami is now too old.

 

[giri26]

These Indian fans have forgotten their legacy of Kurvilla, Mohanty, Kanishka, Sunil Joshi and Robin Singh. They got one Bhumrah who is admittedly close to ATG already and may end up one of the best of all time and they have gotten too high for their boots. Even now without Bhumrah, we have arguably a better attack with Shaheen and Naseem being comfortably better than jokers like Siraj and Rana. Shami is now too old.

Why are you conveniently ignoring Shami from that list? Mohammed Shami is a better bowler than anyone Pakistan has produced over the past decade. That is a fact and not an opinion.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Why are you conveniently ignoring Shami from that list? Mohammed Shami is a better bowler than anyone Pakistan has produced over the past decade. That is a fact and not an opinion.

He can choose to ignore anyone he wants to. He believes Rizwan is a T20 Champ.

 

[kron]

Why are you conveniently ignoring Shami from that list? Mohammed Shami is a better bowler than anyone Pakistan has produced over the past decade. That is a fact and not an opinion.

Lmao
Shami
Siraj
Prasidh
Arshdeep
Rana
Akashdeep
Kuldeep sen

All better than all Pakistan pacers

We have the best bowling attack in the world for all conditions overall
Depth etc

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Lmao
Shami
Siraj
Prasidh
Arshdeep
Rana
Akashdeep
Kuldeep sen

All better than all Pakistan pacers

We have the best bowling attack in the world for all conditions overall
Depth etc

Shami is the only good one in that list and he is finished. He is as relevant as Aamer now and similar level so it's a fair comparison. Siraj, Parsidh and Arshdeep are jokers and the others not even that. Shaheen owns all of them in that list and even Naseem is better than everyone in that list bar Shami.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Shami is the only good one in that list and he is finished. He is as relevant as Aamer now and similar level so it's a fair comparison. Siraj, Parsidh and Arshdeep are jokers and the others not even that. Shaheen owns all of them in that list and even Naseem is better than everyone in that list bar Shami.

Pakistani fast bowlers are more gifted with raw pace.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Pakistani fast bowlers are more gifted with raw pace.

Indian bowlers just don't have that X factor. It's just how it is.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Indian bowlers just don't have that X factor. It's just how it is.

Agreed. Pakistan should be winning a lot more with the number of X-factor talents they have.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Agreed. Pakistan should be winning a lot more with the number of X-factor talents they have.

It is all just a bit random. Absolute joke halwa bowlers like Axar, Jadeja and Ishant have fluked a few wins courtesy of being at the right place at the right time.

 

[kron]

Shami is the only good one in that list and he is finished. He is as relevant as Aamer now and similar level so it's a fair comparison. Siraj, Parsidh and Arshdeep are jokers and the others not even that. Shaheen owns all of them in that list and even Naseem is better than everyone in that list bar Shami.

Yea maybe but then eventually you will have to wake up to reality

And no none of the Pakistani bowlers are better than any one in the list

Not even one. Maybe slash deep that’s it. Shaheen over akashdeep
Rest all defecate on him tbh

 

[kron]

Pakistani fast bowlers are more gifted with raw pace.

What raw pace lel. 4 over bowlers

Bowl with intensity in tests

Australia and then India have been the 2 sides that bowled most 135 plus balls in tests

South Africa being 3 rd

They can’t compete
Lack everywhere

 

[saimayubera]

Shami is the only good one in that list and he is finished. He is as relevant as Aamer now and similar level so it's a fair comparison. Siraj, Parsidh and Arshdeep are jokers and the others not even that. Shaheen owns all of them in that list and even Naseem is better than everyone in that list bar Shami.

Lol no.

Siraj is a T20 WC winner and has contributed to series wins in Australia and draws in SA, England. Also helped win an AC with his performance in the final.

Arshdeep has contributed to a T20 WC win and helped defend runs in the final (something Shaheen failed to do in the 21 semi when he got tonked for three consecutive sixes). He also has a CT but didn't play any games so will skip that.

Shaheen and Naseem COMBINED have ZERO ICC/ACC trophies and ZERO test matches won in SENA. Even Bhuvi has won India tests in England/SA as well as contributed to a CT win in 2013.