"I should also be criticised after Pakistan’s batting failures in New Zealand" : Younis Khan

[MenInG]

"I should also be criticised after Pakistan’s batting failures in New Zealand" : Younis Khan

Karachi: Pakistan’s batting coach Younis Khan has revealed that he was looking forward to receiving criticism after Pakistan’s batting failure in the series against New Zealand.

Head coach Misbah-ul-Haq and bowling coach Waqar Younis was under severe criticism after a poor show by the team in New Zealand, however, batting legend Younis got less judgment on batsmen errors.

“I heard criticism on Waqar and Misbah-ul-Haq but there was no analysis on me. Accountability by critics is a must and I should also be criticised after Pakistan’s batting failure in New Zealand,” Younis told reporters in a virtual presser.

“I wished to appear before PCB’s cricket committee where we could have addressed my faults and have a discussion on the betterment. Critics can judge my performances too, they are welcome to do this,” he added.

Pakistan announced a 20-member preliminary squad for the Test series against South Africa. Nine uncapped players are named with major exclusions from the last series.

Younis has urged media and critics to support and give some time to adjust in Test cricket. “I wish that these players stay with the team for at least 2/3 series. It’s difficult for coaches to when there is so much chopping and changing. We need to give time to the players and don’t let them become part of past,” he emphasized.

Younis is confident that Pakistan will dominate against South Africa as they playing at home. “Pakistan should have an advantage over South Africa because of home conditions. The pitch in Karachi supports both batsman and bowlers,” Younis added.

==

"We have a lot of players who have been inducted into Test cricket from T20 and One Day cricket; I was lucky that I got through this myself even though it took 3-4 years, so its important to give these players time, especially in Tests"

"As coaches who have played so much international cricket in our lives, we need to understand that we need to give time to younger players to develop"

"It is our wish that the players we have announced as part of the squad for this series are retained for 2 or 3 series, because even coaches have a problem when players are changed so often"

"You can definitely pass judgement on me as the team didnt perform that well in NZ and call it a failure for Younis Khan"

"But then if the team does well in batting, bowling or fielding, then that coach's success should be highlighted"

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"Ideally, a player should have lots of cricket behind them before being selected for the top national team. When we talk about other players from successful teams, they come with an excess of 100 first-class matches, and we are missing out on this," younis said.

"We have so many players inducted into the team after playing T20I matches and ODIs, so in terms of Test cricket, it takes time to understand your role and transform your game accordingly from one format to another," he added.

Pakistan was outplayed by New Zealand in the Test series last month. The Babar Azam-led side has struggled to find their feet in the longest format in the past few years.

"There is definitely a lack of cricket behind them when they are picked for the national side. We used to play a lot of cricket from the top to grade two level and had more tough conditions overall," Younis said.

"But these days it's different, with a lot of players picked after one-off performances.

"But when they are selected too early, they are found out on the international stage, with a lot of weaknesses highlighted that are not apparent at the domestic level," he added.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/pak...ter-one-off-performances-hurting-team-2355893

 

[Rana]

The great Younis Khan! KK Memon of Pakistan

 

[AMSS]

Weird flex

 

[Markhor]

People are afraid of getting the knives out for Younis because he'll turn up to a presser with an actual knife.

 

[topspin]

Younis Khan has made mistakes but he's a gem of a person with a good honest heart.

Last week I read a another baffling post by Misbah's biggest cheerleader where he had criticised Amir. He likened his behaviour to Younis Khan when he said "this is Younis Khan mentality".

I could perhaps assume the best of this poster if this was coming from a genuine well wisher of the Pakistan cricket team. But to come out with such dishonest slander when your hero went behind Mickey's back merely to serve his own interests actually exposes the toxic mentality of this Misbah cult.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Younis Khan is probably the person on the coaching staff who deserves the least criticism.

Our lower-middle order looked very good in the series against New Zealand, the mediocrity of our openers is what let us down.

Had our openers provided us with at least 60-70 runs combined, we'd have been in much better positions. If each opener went and scored around 30-40 on average, we'd have been able to post larger targets and our middle order wouldn't be too pressurized.

Now that Younis Khan has a home series and the top domestic performers, it will be interesting to see what he brings to the table. The players in front of him are the best in domestic cricket.

 

[Savak]

The batting by and large punched above their weight, when the bowlers concede 400 plus runs and 650 runs in reasonably bowling friendly conditions, you cannot blame your batsmen for succumbing to scoreboards pressure

 

[hitthestump]

This is a guy who truly knows he is putting 100% in and can justify his work.

Misbah and Waqar OTOH are out of their depth and can't face the level of scrutiny that Younis is happy to face in his role.

 

[Hyperion66]

Younis seems to be the only one in Pak set up who knows what he is doing and the changes are pretty visible, he has always been gritty and tough, seems he instilled the same on the batsmen, they are too old to change their technique or stance anyways.

 

[mazkhan]

Biggest culprit is waqar younis and the fielding unit because these are the 2 areas pakistan has regressed the most.

I don't really blame misbah for everything , for all his shortcomings I still believe he has a good heart and is a honest tryer .

But waqar younis must be put on the spot, for the s*** show under him.

 

[Savak]

Younis Khan demanded that he be made the Head Coach, CS of the U16, U19, A side and also be given permission to work with youngsters at the NCA. The PCB had no issues with his monthly remuneration of Rs 1.5 million but were uncomfortable with giving him that much authority which is why things eventually didn't work out but this was the right position for YK as it's the exact same role that India has given to Rahul Dravid. Your Raw Material is your young and upcoming youngsters who will feed into your senior team. The PCB is already a good twenty years too late vs the rest of the big 5

 

[Belawal2014]

People are afraid of getting the knives out for Younis because he'll turn up to a presser with an actual knife.

I was drinking tea man, come on xD

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

seems like yunis wasn't happy that he didn't get any attention from press

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Is there any nets practise clips of the Pak players yet?

 

[Yk313]

Karachi: Pakistan’s batting coach Younis Khan has revealed that he was looking forward to receiving criticism after Pakistan’s batting failure in the series against New Zealand.

Head coach Misbah-ul-Haq and bowling coach Waqar Younis was under severe criticism after a poor show by the team in New Zealand, however, batting legend Younis got less judgment on batsmen errors.

“I heard criticism on Waqar and Misbah-ul-Haq but there was no analysis on me. Accountability by critics is a must and I should also be criticised after Pakistan’s batting failure in New Zealand,” Younis told reporters in a virtual presser.

“I wished to appear before PCB’s cricket committee where we could have addressed my faults and have a discussion on the betterment. Critics can judge my performances too, they are welcome to do this,” he added.

Pakistan announced a 20-member preliminary squad for the Test series against South Africa. Nine uncapped players are named with major exclusions from the last series.

Younis has urged media and critics to support and give some time to adjust in Test cricket. “I wish that these players stay with the team for at least 2/3 series. It’s difficult for coaches to when there is so much chopping and changing. We need to give time to the players and don’t let them become part of past,” he emphasized.

Younis is confident that Pakistan will dominate against South Africa as they playing at home. “Pakistan should have an advantage over South Africa because of home conditions. The pitch in Karachi supports both batsman and bowlers,” Younis added.

Wait, why was he not called up by the Cricket Committee? During the tour of ENG he was working as a consultant and his engagement ceased upon completion of the tour.

However, on this occasion he has taken up the job on a permanent basis (I do not think he should have) and is now as much a part of the setup as are Misbah, Waqar and the fielding guy (may as well just delegate this to Younis from what we have seen of PAK fielding lately).

Doesn’t matter if he has not had time to work with the players outside of the tour yet; he’s a permanent employee and should have his performance reviewed equally rigorously.

 

[Yk313]

Biggest culprit is waqar younis and the fielding unit because these are the 2 areas pakistan has regressed the most.

I don't really blame misbah for everything , for all his shortcomings I still believe he has a good heart and is a honest tryer .

But waqar younis must be put on the spot, for the s*** show under him.

Doesn’t matter who the biggest culprit is perceived to be. Each member is answerable for their wards’ exploits and their (and own) performances.

 

[Yk313]

Younis Khan is probably the person on the coaching staff who deserves the least criticism.

Our lower-middle order looked very good in the series against New Zealand, the mediocrity of our openers is what let us down.

Had our openers provided us with at least 60-70 runs combined, we'd have been in much better positions. If each opener went and scored around 30-40 on average, we'd have been able to post larger targets and our middle order wouldn't be too pressurized.

Now that Younis Khan has a home series and the top domestic performers, it will be interesting to see what he brings to the table. The players in front of him are the best in domestic cricket.

More concerned if he is spending time with them in between series. Very difficult to make adjustments during Test matches. If he is not, he is just biding his time.

 

[JaDed]

Is he feeling left out?

 

[MenInG]

More quotes added to Post#1

 

[Saj]

Honeymoon period yet for Younis - give it a bit of time and there will be plenty of criticism coming your way if the batting continues to fail.

 

[Yk313]

Honeymoon period yet for Younis - give it a bit of time and there will be plenty of criticism coming your way if the batting continues to fail.

I think there can and should already be questions. Shan seems to have learnt where his off stump is but has forgotten that LBW is also a mode of dismissal. Just one of many things to dig deeper on.

He’s a permanent employee and should be subject to the comparable standards.

 

[waleed88]

Younis Khan demanded that he be made the Head Coach, CS of the U16, U19, A side and also be given permission to work with youngsters at the NCA. The PCB had no issues with his monthly remuneration of Rs 1.5 million but were uncomfortable with giving him that much authority which is why things eventually didn't work out but this was the right position for YK as it's the exact same role that India has given to Rahul Dravid. Your Raw Material is your young and upcoming youngsters who will feed into your senior team. The PCB is already a good twenty years too late vs the rest of the big 5

There should be a thread on this topic. What really does Ijaz Ahmed have to offer?

 

[Saj]

I think there can and should already be questions. Shan seems to have learnt where his off stump is but has forgotten that LBW is also a mode of dismissal. Just one of many things to dig deeper on.

He’s a permanent employee and should be subject to the comparable standards.

I think with any coach in Pakistan cricket, there is a honeymoon period and then the fireworks start.

I can imagine that if Pakistan struggle against South Africa, then the tough questions will start for Younis Khan. At the moment he's still in the comfort zone of the honeymoon period.

 

[Yk313]

I think with any coach in Pakistan cricket, there is a honeymoon period and then the fireworks start.

I can imagine that if Pakistan struggle against South Africa, then the tough questions will start for Younis Khan. At the moment he's still in the comfort zone of the honeymoon period.

I fully understand. I do not think anything substantial can be made of his tenure. My curiosity was piqued because I expected all members of the staff to be brought in front of the committee.

And I believe this is the professional way forward. Other staff members need to be in the loop to allow for a cohesive approach forward.

It’s always good to start receiving small porcels of feedback early on instead of waiting for semi-annual/other arbitrary checkpoints to receive larger amounts. Easier to cite any obvious red flags early on.

 

[UzmanBeast]

More concerned if he is spending time with them in between series. Very difficult to make adjustments during Test matches. If he is not, he is just biding his time.

True, I think that Yousuf and Younis should both be at the NHPC when there are no tours happening, so that they can address the technical flaws and faults of the players we have there.

If I could, I'd send Fakhar, Imam, Azam Khan, and a few others to get a development plan at the NHPC with Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan to improve aspects of their game, especially Imam and Fakhar. If we can fix Fakhar's technical faults, and help him gain confidence in his technique by covering up some weaknesses (ie. lack of footwork, consuming dot balls, etc.) and help Imam get better at strike rotation and improving his strike rate, we'll have a formidable top order.

 

[Savak]

True, I think that Yousuf and Younis should both be at the NHPC when there are no tours happening, so that they can address the technical flaws and faults of the players we have there.

If I could, I'd send Fakhar, Imam, Azam Khan, and a few others to get a development plan at the NHPC with Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan to improve aspects of their game, especially Imam and Fakhar. If we can fix Fakhar's technical faults, and help him gain confidence in his technique by covering up some weaknesses (ie. lack of footwork, consuming dot balls, etc.) and help Imam get better at strike rotation and improving his strike rate, we'll have a formidable top order.

Lol, Saj just reported a few days ago that Mohd Yousaf and some other NHPC coaches wanted to work with the national team batsmen, bowlers but the team fitness trainers apparently limited the amount of work they could do and access they had to these players under the pretext of workload management and the NHPC coaches were not happy about this.

The PCB should tell the trainers to buzz off and allow the players to work as much as possible with the NHPC coaches for maximum benefits as they will not this opportunity very often.

 

[IMMY69]

The only people in management who can take some blame is the head coach...

He helps select the side and he is responsible for arranging the practices and overseeing all the work.

A batting or bowling coach are only really useful at schools, under 15 and under 19 level.
By the time these players come into the international side the only thing a coach can do is make sure they practice properly and impart some knowledge of batting/bowling in international cricket.

They can maybe help prepare a player but they won't be able to change the way they bowl or bat...

So, having these great ex players as coaches is just for show.
If these guys wanted to make a difference they would be working at grass roots level up to under 19 level.
Precisely why India has it right...

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

seems like yunis wasn't happy that he didn't get any attention from press

I concur. Just put your head down and figure out your job.

Some coaching badges will help.

 

[Giannis]

I feel manipulated

 

[gazza619]

Why do our guys state the obvious.

 

[Suleiman]

How humble of him. Team Man is truly a down to earth guy with no ego. Good clean record without trying to take advantage or hurt anyone.

 

[mon858]

Lol, Saj just reported a few days ago that Mohd Yousaf and some other NHPC coaches wanted to work with the national team batsmen, bowlers but the team fitness trainers apparently limited the amount of work they could do and access they had to these players under the pretext of workload management and the NHPC coaches were not happy about this.

The PCB should tell the trainers to buzz off and allow the players to work as much as possible with the NHPC coaches for maximum benefits as they will not this opportunity very often.

It will be tough given the number of tours this year. However looks like nhpc coaches or at least yousuf will be with team for local tours. I saw him flying g with rest of team from lahore to karachi and staying with team. So looks like both of them will be working with our squad of 20.

 

[moghul]

YK feeling neglected, seeking some attention , king of UAE.

 

[Ucdkee]

Everyone is blaming Misbah for the batting failures so he is feeling left out. If this continues, YK might resign complaining that he does not want to be a DUMMY batting coach.

 

[Snowflake]

And the life long struggle of Younis Khan to portray himself as the most selfless man in Pak cricket continues... There's no end to this guy's delusion

 

[UzmanBeast]

Lol, Saj just reported a few days ago that Mohd Yousaf and some other NHPC coaches wanted to work with the national team batsmen, bowlers but the team fitness trainers apparently limited the amount of work they could do and access they had to these players under the pretext of workload management and the NHPC coaches were not happy about this.

The PCB should tell the trainers to buzz off and allow the players to work as much as possible with the NHPC coaches for maximum benefits as they will not this opportunity very often.

The trainers need to relax, let's be honest, if they were any good our players would actually hold onto some catches and at least look active on the field.

Too many people in our cricket system that think they are above others.

NHPC coaches have the full right to demand sessions and work-time with the national team, and their insights should be looked into as well, otherwise, they are being paid for nothing. These personal trainers or the team's trainers need to wake up and look at the fitness standard in front of them, and realize that this team is severely unfit. I'd rather have Mohammad Yousuf and Zahid Mahmood look at our team's bowlers and assess them to develop plans rather than have these random trainers prevent them from doing so and watch the same people drop catches like they get a free plate of biryani from it.

 

[Pakhs]

His overall point is valid you should not in the first place select anyone who has not played at least 3 seasons of domestic 4 day cricket and performed consistently and then once selected know that the jump will be a big one and these coaches will need at least 3 series to try and help the player make the jump.

And after 3 series if they think player is just not ready or not good enough for internal cricket send him back to domestic.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Cant tell if this is attention seeking or he is high. Very odd statement.

 

[Firebat]

I'm not really sure what to make of this statement to be honest

 

[BunnyRabbit]

YK feeling neglected, seeking some attention , king of UAE.

He was averaging 50+ in test cricket even before Pak's home series shifted to UAE. Actually his test average was 50.09 at that time.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Weird statement, plenty of questions will be asked of him in future, that's for sure, but i wish him all the best.

Azhar and Fawad did reasonably while Rizwan's batting exceeded expectations. In addition to that, the tail of Fahim, Yasir, Zafar, scored good runs while Shaheen and Abbas occupied the crease without scoring much. It was sort of acceptable batting performance for our standards.
Shan and Haris were awful in the series. Unlike Haris, Shan can't probably get better than that. There's a reason why he averages in mid 30s in FC. Haris' performance depends on himself, needs to get consistent if wants to get in.

 

[Saj]

I just hope when those tough questions are asked, Younis doesn't spit out the dummy and walk away from the role he is currently doing.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Weird statement, plenty of questions will be asked of him in future, that's for sure, but i wish him all the best.

Azhar and Fawad did reasonably while Rizwan's batting exceeded expectations. In addition to that, the tail of Fahim, Yasir, Zafar, scored good runs while Shaheen and Abbas occupied the crease without scoring much. It was sort of acceptable batting performance for our standards.
Shan and Haris were awful in the series. Unlike Haris, Shan can't probably get better than that. There's a reason why he averages in mid 30s in FC. Haris' performance depends on himself, needs to get consistent if wants to get in.

Regardless of the SA bowling attack our batsmen especially those you mentioned will feel somewhat relaxed. This year is all home conditions stuff so they should exceed our expectations. I mean all our top 5 batsmen have 50+ averages at NSK so i expect to see them use their knowledge at this ground.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Karachi: Pakistan’s batting coach Younis Khan has revealed that he was looking forward to receiving criticism after Pakistan’s batting failure in the series against New Zealand.

Head coach Misbah-ul-Haq and bowling coach Waqar Younis was under severe criticism after a poor show by the team in New Zealand, however, batting legend Younis got less judgment on batsmen errors.

“I heard criticism on Waqar and Misbah-ul-Haq but there was no analysis on me. Accountability by critics is a must and I should also be criticised after Pakistan’s batting failure in New Zealand,” Younis told reporters in a virtual presser.

“I wished to appear before PCB’s cricket committee where we could have addressed my faults and have a discussion on the betterment. Critics can judge my performances too, they are welcome to do this,” he added.

Pakistan announced a 20-member preliminary squad for the Test series against South Africa. Nine uncapped players are named with major exclusions from the last series.

Younis has urged media and critics to support and give some time to adjust in Test cricket. “I wish that these players stay with the team for at least 2/3 series. It’s difficult for coaches to when there is so much chopping and changing. We need to give time to the players and don’t let them become part of past,” he emphasized.

Younis is confident that Pakistan will dominate against South Africa as they playing at home. “Pakistan should have an advantage over South Africa because of home conditions. The pitch in Karachi supports both batsman and bowlers,” Younis added.

==

"We have a lot of players who have been inducted into Test cricket from T20 and One Day cricket; I was lucky that I got through this myself even though it took 3-4 years, so its important to give these players time, especially in Tests"

"As coaches who have played so much international cricket in our lives, we need to understand that we need to give time to younger players to develop"

"It is our wish that the players we have announced as part of the squad for this series are retained for 2 or 3 series, because even coaches have a problem when players are changed so often"

"You can definitely pass judgement on me as the team didnt perform that well in NZ and call it a failure for Younis Khan"

"But then if the team does well in batting, bowling or fielding, then that coach's success should be highlighted"

Batting wasn't great but it was bowling that is worrying. Pakistan has been a bowling side for a very long time. However the current bowling attack is probably the weakest. Naseem Shah has a lot to learn and Abbas has devolved as bowler and is now not a real threat. Yasir Shah is also not the key bowler that he used to be in UAE. Dropping Yasir for Zafar Gohar backfired as the later couldn't even get a single wicket. At least Yasir could get the Tail enders. Both Abbas and Naseem seem to have lost Pace. If Naseem looses his pace we are left with a nothing bowler.
If we don't fix our bowling quickly Pakistan will go even lower.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Regardless of the SA bowling attack our batsmen especially those you mentioned will feel somewhat relaxed. This year is all home conditions stuff so they should exceed our expectations. I mean all our top 5 batsmen have 50+ averages at NSK so i expect to see them use their knowledge at this ground.

SA's bowling attack is pretty superior to SL's and Bang's and collapses won't be surprising. Apart from Babar, there is still no one (batters) who simply walks into the team. Rizwan is a WK.

 

[Yk313]

Reading the comments makes me curious.

What do you people think prompted him to actively go up to the media to say what it states in the OP that he said? I mean why do you guys think he would proactively go to the media to say this?

 

[moghul]

He was averaging 50+ in test cricket even before Pak's home series shifted to UAE. Actually his test average was 50.09 at that time.

Younis Khan was a very average player in bowling friendly condition and against good bowling attack, but to his credit he always compensate that well with scoring heavily on flat wickets, hence ended up 10 K runs and > 50 test average .

Like in 2016 English tour , he was out for low score in 7 consecutive innings when the ball was moving a bit but compensated that with a double ton on the flattest wicket in England, that was typical YK.

So although he has scored the most test runs but class wise he was way behind other Pakistani batting greats like Majid, Zaheer, Hanif, Miandad, Yousuf, Inzimam and even likes of Wasim Raja .

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Younis Khan was a very average player in bowling friendly condition and against good bowling attack, but to his credit he always compensate that well with scoring heavily on flat wickets, hence ended up 10 K runs and > 50 test average .

Like in 2016 English tour , he was out for low score in 7 consecutive innings when the ball was moving a bit but compensated that with a double ton on the flattest wicket in England, that was typical YK.

So although he has scored the most test runs but class wise he was way behind other Pakistani batting greats like Majid, Zaheer, Hanif, Miandad, Yousuf, Inzimam and even likes of Wasim Raja .

Did you follow his career from 2000-2010 or just basing that from his 2016 english tour?
He scored a 100 in SA on day 1 pitch in 2013.
He averaged around 70 during the england tour in 2006 and those weren't flat pitches.
Played a brilliant match winning knock on a spicy port elizabeth wicket in sa 2007,
Had good tours of SA, NZ (2001 and 2010).
Some of his 4th inning or last day knocks are extremely good.

Yes he wasn't one of the supremely talented batters but he did make his starts count.
He is in no dimension an inferior batter than Majid or Wasim Raja.

The whole best batter debate is very subjective.
Yousaf was the more elegant batter who had an unbelievable 2006.

Most would rate Miandad as the best Pakistani batter, but all of that is very close competition.


I never watched Hanif but I do believe he was one of the best during his time.
Inzi was brilliant with his unbelievable ability to score aplenty with the tail.

 

[sharmaji]

Questions WILL be asked after the SA series. I expect Pak batsmen to score heavily, especially Babar.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Reading the comments makes me curious.

What do you people think prompted him to actively go up to the media to say what it states in the OP that he said? I mean why do you guys think he would proactively go to the media to say this?

He was asked about it in an interview by the journalist and gave his well-meaning response.

He didn’t “go” to the media to say this. That’s the problem with taking quotes out of context the way people on this thread are.

 

[Khan12]

Younis Khan was a very average player in bowling friendly condition and against good bowling attack, but to his credit he always compensate that well with scoring heavily on flat wickets, hence ended up 10 K runs and > 50 test average .

Like in 2016 English tour , he was out for low score in 7 consecutive innings when the ball was moving a bit but compensated that with a double ton on the flattest wicket in England, that was typical YK.

So although he has scored the most test runs but class wise he was way behind other Pakistani batting greats like Majid, Zaheer, Hanif, Miandad, Yousuf, Inzimam and even likes of Wasim Raja .

Lol. Younis is better then them bar miandad and i am saying this as a massive fan of Yousuf.

 

[Yk313]

He was asked about it in an interview by the journalist and gave his well-meaning response.

He didn’t “go” to the media to say this. That’s the problem with taking quotes out of context the way people on this thread are.

I know. I watched the thing on YouTube. PCB upload most if not all press conferences on YouTube these days which is really helpful.

I deliberately asked because I was confident that the majority of posters:

- Had actually not seen it
- Had formed on opinion on the quotes in the OP
- Did not know the actual thing was in Urdu and therefore quite a few things, including tone but also actual small remarks were lost/missed when translated (Admittedly, I do not know where the translation comes from)

In the subcontinent one is guilty until proven innocent anyway.

The entire thread is actually redundant if you listen to the thing and then read the comments here which have missed the mark by a country mile.

The thread makes it seem like this was the crux of the interview or the answer. Even in the answer he gave to the journalist in response to the question, the tidbit about being called to the Cricket Committee was said laughingly and the primary focus was on how he endorses feedback/criticism. The question was primarily about how to distinguish and evaluate the role of the coach when a player does well or not so well. In other words, how to tell whether the players are failing to execute or if they are not being coached well.

Perhaps even more important was the bit where he said he would have taken that chance to pass on his own feedback/suggestions to the board....after all, wouldn’t everyone want to know what is in that fabled diary (apart from pinups of Grant Flower)?

 

[Yk313]

Did you follow his career from 2000-2010 or just basing that from his 2016 english tour?
He scored a 100 in SA on day 1 pitch in 2013.
He averaged around 70 during the england tour in 2006 and those weren't flat pitches.
Played a brilliant match winning knock on a spicy port elizabeth wicket in sa 2007,
Had good tours of SA, NZ (2001 and 2010).
Some of his 4th inning or last day knocks are extremely good.

Yes he wasn't one of the supremely talented batters but he did make his starts count.
He is in no dimension an inferior batter than Majid or Wasim Raja.

The whole best batter debate is very subjective.
Yousaf was the more elegant batter who had an unbelievable 2006.

Most would rate Miandad as the best Pakistani batter, but all of that is very close competition.


I never watched Hanif but I do believe he was one of the best during his time.
Inzi was brilliant with his unbelievable ability to score aplenty with the tail.

If I am not mistaken, he missed the 2009 tour of NZD. Also did not travel to AUS and ENG in that period, right?

It’s been so long but I think he opted out of the NZD tour following the captaincy thing. Think he was not selected for AUS due to his poor form in ODIs. Do not remember what the reason for ENG being missed was.

But it’s been so long that would need to check. Wish he had gone though, was in physical prime in terms of reflexes etc unlike being an out of form ballet dancer in ENG 2016.

 

[MenInG]

Busy man YK

 

[andy0204]

If I am not mistaken, he missed the 2009 tour of NZD. Also did not travel to AUS and ENG in that period, right?

It’s been so long but I think he opted out of the NZD tour following the captaincy thing. Think he was not selected for AUS due to his poor form in ODIs. Do not remember what the reason for ENG being missed was.

But it’s been so long that would need to check. Wish he had gone though, was in physical prime in terms of reflexes etc unlike being an out of form ballet dancer in ENG 2016.

I think he had issues with Ijaz Butt who was the chairman of PCB during that time.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

If I am not mistaken, he missed the 2009 tour of NZD. Also did not travel to AUS and ENG in that period, right?

It’s been so long but I think he opted out of the NZD tour following the captaincy thing. Think he was not selected for AUS due to his poor form in ODIs. Do not remember what the reason for ENG being missed was.

But it’s been so long that would need to check. Wish he had gone though, was in physical prime in terms of reflexes etc unlike being an out of form ballet dancer in ENG 2016.

Yes I was referring to the late 2010 test series against NZ in NZ, when Misbah was the captain that Pak won 1-0, Younis scored two 80s in 3 innings I think.
He opted out of NZ tour of 09 over the captaincy stuff and said he needed time away. Yousaf who was made captain after younis asked for his inclusion for tests in Aus but he only decided to play the odi leg.
People who started following Pak cricket after 2010 don't probably realize how smooth his batting used to be back then. Was a fairly good player of pace as well, played english bowler by standing outside his crease throughout the 2006 tour. 2005-09 was also probably his ODI peak years as well. Had 3 brilliant centuries ODI centuries during that period while chasing I remember. 2006 in england against england, 2007 in mohali i think and one in asia cup 2008 against india again.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I think he had issues with Ijaz Butt who was the chairman of PCB during that time.

He was serving his life ban after that oathgate scandal during that time in 2010 or probably his ban had just been lifted and was probably playing county.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

The great Younis Khan! KK Memon of Pakistan

do u mean K K Menon the film actor?

 

[andy0204]

Yes I was referring to the late 2010 test series against NZ in NZ, when Misbah was the captain that Pak won 1-0, Younis scored two 80s in 3 innings I think.
He opted out of NZ tour of 09 over the captaincy stuff and said he needed time away. Yousaf who was made captain after younis asked for his inclusion for tests in Aus but he only decided to play the odi leg.
People who started following Pak cricket after 2010 don't probably realize how smooth his batting used to be back then. Was a fairly good player of pace as well, played english bowler by standing outside his crease throughout the 2006 tour. 2005-09 was also probably his ODI peak years as well. Had 3 brilliant centuries ODI centuries during that period while chasing I remember. 2006 in england against england, 2007 in mohali i think and one in asia cup 2008 against india again.

He played for South Australia in Australian domestics at that time and he did well there.
Scored a century as an opener at Gabba.
He missed his peak years by not playing in Australia, Newzealand and England.

 

[Yk313]

He was serving his life ban after that oathgate scandal during that time in 2010 or probably his ban had just been lifted and was probably playing county.

Think the ENG (spot-fixing) your was the one he missed due to his “life” ban (in quotes because the durational element was reversed within a short while of it being announced; it just became an unspecified length ban).

Again, it’s been so long but if memory serves right the life ban decision came before the ENG tour where PAK were playing both ENG And AUS; both MY and YK had been banned and I think that’s why Afridi was the captain against AUS initially before he stepped down. Malik had initially been banned for 1 year too alongside Rana.

By the time PAK has lost the first Test against AUS and PCB realised the middle order was non-existent, Yousuf had already gone into “retirement” to protest his ban. However, he started giving statements to the media along the lines of his willingness to come out of retirement if his country needed him. Think he alleged that he’d been in touch with Ijaz Butt and said he had no problems with Ijaz Butt. Butt, to his credit, said that a return for Yousuf was being considered but the 2nd Test against AUS (in ENG) was too close for them to call him back. All of this without any appeal process if I am not mistaken.

Younis, through his lawyer, appealed his ban officially. But he wanted the proceedings to be held openly in front of media and for the evidence to be disclosed as he wanted media/everyone to see the exact evidence on the basis of which he had been banned. The judge ruled against this I believe. Younis successfully won the appeal around June 2010 I think.

Overall, think if memory serves right the above is what transpired.

For those of us here who are young and have not followed the fables of PAK cricket for decades at end, you may still find leaked video clips of PCB’s enquiry into the Oathgate somewhere on the internet. Videos of Rana etc testifying about the mutiny were released (leaked) and most media houses had a field day/week. You may be surprised about the pettiness of the issues - do not be, this is how PCT has been since the 1980s if I remember right.

If you/others actually watch interviews of Rana, Saeed Akmal, Afridi, Yousuf about Oathgate from 2019/20 you will still be able to get a feel for it. It’s ironic that most/all of them when asked what was wrong with Younis say not much was wrong and that he ended up becoming too strict (rigid). All interviews are on the famous video sharing website. Not sure about the leaked videos though.

Funnily, I may have news paper clippings of some of these things (not those videos) from years ago but don’t know if I can still find them around the house.

Hardly matters anymore though.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Think the ENG (spot-fixing) your was the one he missed due to his “life” ban (in quotes because the durational element was reversed within a short while of it being announced; it just became an unspecified length ban).

Again, it’s been so long but if memory serves right the life ban decision came before the ENG tour where PAK were playing both ENG And AUS; both MY and YK had been banned and I think that’s why Afridi was the captain against AUS initially before he stepped down. Malik had initially been banned for 1 year too alongside Rana.

By the time PAK has lost the first Test against AUS and PCB realised the middle order was non-existent, Yousuf had already gone into “retirement” to protest his ban. However, he started giving statements to the media along the lines of his willingness to come out of retirement if his country needed him. Think he alleged that he’d been in touch with Ijaz Butt and said he had no problems with Ijaz Butt. Butt, to his credit, said that a return for Yousuf was being considered but the 2nd Test against AUS (in ENG) was too close for them to call him back. All of this without any appeal process if I am not mistaken.

Younis, through his lawyer, appealed his ban officially. But he wanted the proceedings to be held openly in front of media and for the evidence to be disclosed as he wanted media/everyone to see the exact evidence on the basis of which he had been banned. The judge ruled against this I believe. Younis successfully won the appeal around June 2010 I think.

Overall, think if memory serves right the above is what transpired.

For those of us here who are young and have not followed the fables of PAK cricket for decades at end, you may still find leaked video clips of PCB’s enquiry into the Oathgate somewhere on the internet. Videos of Rana etc testifying about the mutiny were released (leaked) and most media houses had a field day/week. You may be surprised about the pettiness of the issues - do not be, this is how PCT has been since the 1980s if I remember right.

If you/others actually watch interviews of Rana, Saeed Akmal, Afridi, Yousuf about Oathgate from 2019/20 you will still be able to get a feel for it. It’s ironic that most/all of them when asked what was wrong with Younis say not much was wrong and that he ended up becoming too strict (rigid). All interviews are on the famous video sharing website. Not sure about the leaked videos though.

Funnily, I may have news paper clippings of some of these things (not those videos) from years ago but don’t know if I can still find them around the house.

Hardly matters anymore though.

Two things I would like to add on this trip down memory lane.

Firstly, the leaked videos of individual players interviews in front of an integrity committee or whatever they were calling it, headed by Wasim Bari were so cringeworthy and everyone was speaking ill of the other cricketer in all directions. Remember even Afridi was found calling Shoaib Malik a two faced man, that too after Afridi had attended Malik's wedding ceremony or something. The worst thing to come out of it was how the tv channel you may have guessed it already that leaked the videos just for the sake of inciting further damage to an already nosediving ship and it just showed how fractious the relations were among the team mates.

Secondly, during that Aus-Eng test series by the end of the Australian leg, when everyone was lauding Salman Butt as the savior of Pak Cricket, there were murmurs of installing Butt as the full time captain of all formats. Pak's middle order during that time was comprised of Azhar Ali, Umar Amin, Umar Akmal and Shoaib Malik. It was no surprise when Pak were decimated in the first test inside probably 3 days. During the toss of 2nd test, it was said Salman Butt was resisting the temptation to bring back the older guys back into the test team. During the toss, Mike Atherton asked Salman Butt regarding the middle order and Butt just went on that he was building a house, now(then) the structure is looking ugly but when it will be completed it will become very beautiful or something. Mike Atherton was unable to control his laughter during that. It was a shame how big of a laughing stock Pak Cricket had become by then and more was to come.

 

[Yk313]

Two things I would like to add on this trip down memory lane.

Firstly, the leaked videos of individual players interviews in front of an integrity committee or whatever they were calling it, headed by Wasim Bari were so cringeworthy and everyone was speaking ill of the other cricketer in all directions. Remember even Afridi was found calling Shoaib Malik a two faced man, that too after Afridi had attended Malik's wedding ceremony or something. The worst thing to come out of it was how the tv channel you may have guessed it already that leaked the videos just for the sake of inciting further damage to an already nosediving ship and it just showed how fractious the relations were among the team mates.

Remember this. For anyone who could not believe the pettiness on show from the days of Zaheer, Majid, Miandad et cetera, these videos were basically ‘retro’ level.

Most of the air time was about b***ing about others’ antics. The thing about Malik is that I think a few people have said this about him. Not sure if Afridi was one of them. Think he too may have been accepting captaincy in 2007, but no clue as to veracity of this.

Secondly, during that Aus-Eng test series by the end of the Australian leg, when everyone was lauding Salman Butt as the savior of Pak Cricket, there were murmurs of installing Butt as the full time captain of all formats. Pak's middle order during that time was comprised of Azhar Ali, Umar Amin, Umar Akmal and Shoaib Malik. It was no surprise when Pak were decimated in the first test inside probably 3 days. During the toss of 2nd test, it was said Salman Butt was resisting the temptation to bring back the older guys back into the test team. During the toss, Mike Atherton asked Salman Butt regarding the middle order and Butt just went on that he was building a house, now(then) the structure is looking ugly but when it will be completed it will become very beautiful or something. Mike Atherton was unable to control his laughter during that. It was a shame how big of a laughing stock Pak Cricket had become by then and more was to come.

We managed to win two Tests with that middle order..... there is hope for PCT still. Not sure if that’s good or not, though.

Yes, remember Afridi swinging from the hip when Watson was cleaning up PAK in the first Test. Funniest Test retirement. But Younis’ ODI retirement is hands down the most cringeworthy one from the 21st century.

It was funny how Butt was being lauded due to his crafty 30/40s with a garnish of the language we equate with respect and prestige.

Part of me wishes YK had toured ENG. Part of me is glad he was not even in the same squad when spot-fixing happened.

 

[Yk313]

He played for South Australia in Australian domestics at that time and he did well there.
Scored a century as an opener at Gabba.
He missed his peak years by not playing in Australia, Newzealand and England.

Still remember his catch running back. Don’t know if that was from the same season though.

How many players from PAK played both county and shield (this side of 2000)? Don’t think many.

 

[Yk313]

Younis Khan demanded that he be made the Head Coach, CS of the U16, U19, A side and also be given permission to work with youngsters at the NCA. The PCB had no issues with his monthly remuneration of Rs 1.5 million but were uncomfortable with giving him that much authority which is why things eventually didn't work out but this was the right position for YK as it's the exact same role that India has given to Rahul Dravid. Your Raw Material is your young and upcoming youngsters who will feed into your senior team. The PCB is already a good twenty years too late vs the rest of the big 5

This is a good point. Will comment on the Dravid v YK thread later about this.

Think the pay delta had been narrowed down to 0.2 million. Not big enough to walk away and he had agreed to leave his franchise roles (he was still with Zalmi if I am not wrong).

 

[Yk313]

Yes I was referring to the late 2010 test series against NZ in NZ, when Misbah was the captain that Pak won 1-0, Younis scored two 80s in 3 innings I think.
He opted out of NZ tour of 09 over the captaincy stuff and said he needed time away. Yousaf who was made captain after younis asked for his inclusion for tests in Aus but he only decided to play the odi leg.
People who started following Pak cricket after 2010 don't probably realize how smooth his batting used to be back then. Was a fairly good player of pace as well, played english bowler by standing outside his crease throughout the 2006 tour. 2005-09 was also probably his ODI peak years as well. Had 3 brilliant centuries ODI centuries during that period while chasing I remember. 2006 in england against england, 2007 in mohali i think and one in asia cup 2008 against india again.

People who came of age recently and only have the post 2010 PAK to compare with/against do not appreciate many things.

Not saying everyone needs to be well versed as far back as 70s/80s and neither is that possible.

At any rate, a lot of people do not know Younis was not as poor a stroke player (not aerially) pre-UAE. The crouch in his trigger movement was not as pronounced, the focus was not on putting a deadbat on that many deliveries. Was able to hit through the line a lot more.

He was actually a pretty OK scorer instead of just biding his time. Was one of the highest scorers in AUS (2004/05). Did OK in ENG in 2006, if I am not mistaken. Also, wasn’t he the highest scorer in SAF 2007? Averaged 45 but did not score a 100.

ODI strike rate was not poor by the standards back then. Was coming into his own in those years even in ODIs but I do feel he used to get a lot of 70s instead of 100s as a No.3. Should have done far better than this as he had the fitness and wrists to rotate strike, and enough stroke making ability to hit boundaries (not a big six hitter though).

Has mostly done well in NZD barring the 2016 tour.

As I said in a different post, would have been good if he had played the tests against NZD, AUS and ENG when his reflexes had not slowed.

 

[Yk313]

Busy man YK


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As long as he spends time with them in the gaps between series, he can bowl all the off spin he wants.

But if he does not do that all of this will be futile.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Remember this. For anyone who could not believe the pettiness on show from the days of Zaheer, Majid, Miandad et cetera, these videos were basically ‘retro’ level.

Most of the air time was about b***ing about others’ antics. The thing about Malik is that I think a few people have said this about him. Not sure if Afridi was one of them. Think he too may have been accepting captaincy in 2007, but no clue as to veracity of this.



We managed to win two Tests with that middle order..... there is hope for PCT still. Not sure if that’s good or not, though.

Yes, remember Afridi swinging from the hip when Watson was cleaning up PAK in the first Test. Funniest Test retirement. But Younis’ ODI retirement is hands down the most cringeworthy one from the 21st century.

It was funny how Butt was being lauded due to his crafty 30/40s with a garnish of the language we equate with respect and prestige.

Part of me wishes YK had toured ENG. Part of me is glad he was not even in the same squad when spot-fixing happened.

I actually liked Shahid Afridi the test batsman more than Afridi the ODI batter.
He used to play proper cricketing shots and very clean. Loved watching his cover drives, cuts and flicks in tests. He could have been a vital cog in our test lineup and could easily do the role of sole spinner in SENA.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

People who came of age recently and only have the post 2010 PAK to compare with/against do not appreciate many things.

Not saying everyone needs to be well versed as far back as 70s/80s and neither is that possible.

At any rate, a lot of people do not know Younis was not as poor a stroke player (not aerially) pre-UAE. The crouch in his trigger movement was not as pronounced, the focus was not on putting a deadbat on that many deliveries. Was able to hit through the line a lot more.

He was actually a pretty OK scorer instead of just biding his time. Was one of the highest scorers in AUS (2004/05). Did OK in ENG in 2006, if I am not mistaken. Also, wasn’t he the highest scorer in SAF 2007? Averaged 45 but did not score a 100.

ODI strike rate was not poor by the standards back then. Was coming into his own in those years even in ODIs but I do feel he used to get a lot of 70s instead of 100s as a No.3. Should have done far better than this as he had the fitness and wrists to rotate strike, and enough stroke making ability to hit boundaries (not a big six hitter though).

Has mostly done well in NZD barring the 2016 tour.

As I said in a different post, would have been good if he had played the tests against NZD, AUS and ENG when his reflexes had not slowed.

2008 was a cruel year for Pak team. I think that year was the one that totally divided Pak team from a good team to a meek team of today.

 

[Yk313]

I actually liked Shahid Afridi the test batsman more than Afridi the ODI batter.
He used to play proper cricketing shots and very clean. Loved watching his cover drives, cuts and flicks in tests. He could have been a vital cog in our test lineup and could easily do the role of sole spinner in SENA.

Think you are referring to his career up to 2004/05. After that he made no attempt to not become a hack.

My biggest qualm though was a generation of children grew up wanting to emulate Afridi the batsman. Not his fault though.

 

[moghul]

Did you follow his career from 2000-2010 or just basing that from his 2016 english tour?
He scored a 100 in SA on day 1 pitch in 2013.
He averaged around 70 during the england tour in 2006 and those weren't flat pitches.
Played a brilliant match winning knock on a spicy port elizabeth wicket in sa 2007,
Had good tours of SA, NZ (2001 and 2010).
Some of his 4th inning or last day knocks are extremely good.

Yes he wasn't one of the supremely talented batters but he did make his starts count.
He is in no dimension an inferior batter than Majid or Wasim Raja.

The whole best batter debate is very subjective.
Yousaf was the more elegant batter who had an unbelievable 2006.

Most would rate Miandad as the best Pakistani batter, but all of that is very close competition.


I never watched Hanif but I do believe he was one of the best during his time.
Inzi was brilliant with his unbelievable ability to score aplenty with the tail.

Younis Khan follow England tour where he failed in 7 innings but scored big in one inning on a batting paradise and went to Australia , where he continued his trade , failed in 5 innings but score a century on batting friendly Sydney wicket . So in 2016 he batted in 14 innings and failed in 12 of those. This is hardly a performance of a batting great .

I like Younis Khan, a true sportsman, I like cricketers who maintain their fitness and YK was great in that perspective. And even with his limited talent and class, he scored big whenever he could and found conditions of his liking . Had a great concentration on the game, never threw his wicket away.

But lets not make him an ATG just because he score 10 K runs, He was not in the same class as Tendulakr, Ponting, Dravid , lara , Gavaskar, Sanga and other members of 10 K club.

 

[Yk313]

Younis Khan follow England tour where he failed in 7 innings but scored big in one inning on a batting paradise and went to Australia , where he continued his trade , failed in 5 innings but score a century on batting friendly Sydney wicket . So in 2016 he batted in 14 innings and failed in 12 of those. This is hardly a performance of a batting great .

I like Younis Khan, a true sportsman, I like cricketers who maintain their fitness and YK was great in that perspective. And even with his limited talent and class, he scored big whenever he could and found conditions of his liking . Had a great concentration on the game, never threw his wicket away.

But lets not make him an ATG just because he score 10 K runs, He was not in the same class as Tendulakr, Ponting, Dravid , lara , Gavaskar, Sanga and other members of 10 K club.

Again, you are talking about the 2016/17 tours. Don't think anyone with an iota of cricketing acumen will disagree with you that he was past his "best before" date. Don't think one should need any statistics to be able to come to this conclusion. Watching him bat like a cat trying to do ballet was enough.

If anything, prior to the last test most of his staunch supporters (including yours truly) were advocating for him to retire peacefully after the ENG series and not tarnish his legacy. A normal 100 would not have helped him salvage his struggles in ENG; it needed to be a match winning daddy hundred and one that put Pakistan into the driving seat for victory.

On the point of comparisons with some of his contemporaries you have listed: do not think anyone with cricketing sense would deem it prudent to match YK with these names. And one does not need to see statistics to arrive at that conclusion. I am not going to even mention Gavaskar or others from the previous era, as I try to avoid these comparisons as a principle.

Statistics are only good to lay a minimum benchmark to check if people can be placed into a bracket. But comparing people for their true worth, after a certain point, requires better measures. If anything, statistics may even mislead one to strengthen YK's case: if you look at the number of innings it took him to get to the 10,000 club and then look at how many others took you may feel he could be a few places higher.

On the point of 2016/17... didn't Dravid, one of the people you have listed here, struggle quite a bit in his last 8 innings averaging 25? All in AUS, where 7/8 times he was out bowled. A minor chink in his technique and, in my opinion, slowing reflexes led to him getting out to straight deliveries by playing around them. And if you think that was a one off, look up what happened when he played for MCC a few years later (all on YouTube). Doesn't mean anything though, doubt anyone would discount Dravid's ability or contribution on the basis of his last few games.

Thread was about something else so won't be commenting in this vein anymore. Always good discussing though. Thanks!

 

[MenInG]

More quotes added in post#1, regarding selection of players.

 

[cricketfan11]

Younis was good because he knew how to play big innings and he was a team player.

I don't think the current batsmen are equipped with his skills.

Plus, the current game is more about playing attackingly and putting pressure back on the opposition.

The international team's batting coach should be someone who can refine power hitting skills and teach batsmen how to handle pressure situations. The current mindset of Pakistani batsmen is that in Tests openers are scared of losing their wicket so they are extra defensive, but they never seem to settle - after playing 10 or 15 overs they lose concentration. It's a strange situation that the strategy is built around seeing off the new ball and blocking, but the players lack the skills to do that successfully.

The likes of Misbah, Younis, Yousuf etc. are probably needed more at domestic/junior level.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Think you are referring to his career up to 2004/05. After that he made no attempt to not become a hack.

My biggest qualm though was a generation of children grew up wanting to emulate Afridi the batsman. Not his fault though.

Yes Shahid Afridi after 2006 only played a solitary test in 2010(which he says he was forced to do so).
After 2006, the only consistent patch he had was the Asia Cup 2010.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Younis Khan follow England tour where he failed in 7 innings but scored big in one inning on a batting paradise and went to Australia , where he continued his trade , failed in 5 innings but score a century on batting friendly Sydney wicket . So in 2016 he batted in 14 innings and failed in 12 of those. This is hardly a performance of a batting great .

I like Younis Khan, a true sportsman, I like cricketers who maintain their fitness and YK was great in that perspective. And even with his limited talent and class, he scored big whenever he could and found conditions of his liking . Had a great concentration on the game, never threw his wicket away.

But lets not make him an ATG just because he score 10 K runs, He was not in the same class as Tendulakr, Ponting, Dravid , lara , Gavaskar, Sanga and other members of 10 K club.

Man Did you even read about what I said? Younis Khan before 2010 was a pretty consistent batter abroad. I was referring to 2006 not 2016 tour.

 

[Titan24]

"Ideally, a player should have lots of cricket behind them before being selected for the top national team. When we talk about other players from successful teams, they come with an excess of 100 first-class matches, and we are missing out on this," younis said.[/url]

100 FC matches is unrealistic in my opinion as it will require 10 years of FC cricket in the new structure and that is if a player doesnt miss a single match. Min of 15-25 should be their though in current structure for test cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Younis has always been an average player of fast bowling.

He could not nail his place in the Test side from 2000 to 2005 because he repeatedly struggling against quality fast bowling.

He was a walking wicket against Ambrose and Walsh in the Caribbean in 2000.

He badly failed in South Africa in 2002 where he couldn’t handle the movement of Pollock and the steep bounce of Ntini.

He did well in Australia in 2004-05 but was overshadowed by Yousuf and Butt who played better innings than him.

Same was the case in England in 2006 and South Africa in 2006-07.

People talk about his unbeaten half-century in the Port Elizabeth chase in the second Test, but Inzamam’s 92 not out in the first innings was a far better innings and the only reason Pakistan had a chance of chasing the target.

Without Inzamam, Pakistan would have bundled for less than 150 in the first innings. He added 70-80 runs with the tail.

Even in that run chase, Kamran was the one who swung the momentum in Pakistan’s favor and deflated South African bowling with his aggressive stroke-play.

Yousuf’s counter-attacking 80 odd in the third Test was also a better innings. Pakistan lost the match comfortably but without Younis, they wouldn’t even have scored 100 in the first innings.

Younis played some good knocks outside Asia in the 2000s but there was always someone else doing better than him. He never stepped out of the shadow of Inzamam and Yousuf because he was never better than him.

He only established himself as Pakistan’s premier batsman when Inzamam retired and Yousuf fell out of favor with PCB.

It wasn’t hard for Younis to stand out in the UAE era when Pakistan’s other main batsmen were Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq. He was of course several notches above them.

In ODI cricket he was good in the 2000s when he played in the lower-order. He also had a great purple patch at number 3 in 2007-08, but he was badly exposed in the 2010s when the scoring rates went up due to two new ball rules also more inventive batting because of the T20 era.

Younis was never a complete, all-round batsmen. He did not have that class. However, he was tremendous against spin and had great powers of concentration. Whenever he survived the first 50-60 balls, he made it count and almost always managed to score big.

Among the middle-order batsmen, he was certainly not as good as Miandad, Inzamam and Yousuf, and although it might be too early for some to call it, but I believe Babar is also a better batsman than him in Test cricket as well.

 

[Yk313]

Younis has always been an average player of fast bowling.

He could not nail his place in the Test side from 2000 to 2005 because he repeatedly struggling against quality fast bowling.

He was a walking wicket against Ambrose and Walsh in the Caribbean in 2000.

He badly failed in South Africa in 2002 where he couldn’t handle the movement of Pollock and the steep bounce of Ntini.

He did well in Australia in 2004-05 but was overshadowed by Yousuf and Butt who played better innings than him.

Same was the case in England in 2006 and South Africa in 2006-07.

People talk about his unbeaten half-century in the Port Elizabeth chase in the second Test, but Inzamam’s 92 not out in the first innings was a far better innings and the only reason Pakistan had a chance of chasing the target.

Without Inzamam, Pakistan would have bundled for less than 150 in the first innings. He added 70-80 runs with the tail.

Even in that run chase, Kamran was the one who swung the momentum in Pakistan’s favor and deflated South African bowling with his aggressive stroke-play.

Yousuf’s counter-attacking 80 odd in the third Test was also a better innings. Pakistan lost the match comfortably but without Younis, they wouldn’t even have scored 100 in the first innings.

Younis played some good knocks outside Asia in the 2000s but there was always someone else doing better than him. He never stepped out of the shadow of Inzamam and Yousuf because he was never better than him.

He only established himself as Pakistan’s premier batsman when Inzamam retired and Yousuf fell out of favor with PCB.

It wasn’t hard for Younis to stand out in the UAE era when Pakistan’s other main batsmen were Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq. He was of course several notches above them.

In ODI cricket he was good in the 2000s when he played in the lower-order. He also had a great purple patch at number 3 in 2007-08, but he was badly exposed in the 2010s when the scoring rates went up due to two new ball rules also more inventive batting because of the T20 era.

Younis was never a complete, all-round batsmen. He did not have that class. However, he was tremendous against spin and had great powers of concentration. Whenever he survived the first 50-60 balls, he made it count and almost always managed to score big.

Among the middle-order batsmen, he was certainly not as good as Miandad, Inzamam and Yousuf, and although it might be too early for some to call it, but I believe Babar is also a better batsman than him in Test cricket as well.

Thread is pretty much redundant. Its original impetus came from the misplaced take on his comments.

The second half has people overestimating or underestimating his prowess with misplaced comparisons, most of whom have probably not seen the games on a ball-by-ball or close enough basis anyway.

 

[Mamoon]

Thread is pretty much redundant. Its original impetus came from the misplaced take on his comments.

The second half has people overestimating or underestimating his prowess with misplaced comparisons, most of whom have probably not seen the games on a ball-by-ball or close enough basis anyway.

My view is that people are found two extremes when it comes to Younis.

They either overrate him or underrate him. The people who tend to overrate him have a soft corner for him because of all the personally tragedies that he has been through, and also because he never had the star power that someone of his performances deserved.

They also overrate him because the mediocrity around him post 2010 made him look better than he was, and they have seemingly forgotten that when Inzamam and Yousuf were around, he was basically third fiddle.

The people who underrate him are the ones who are too young to remember the 2000s, and they don’t remember his good performances outside Asia before 2016 and also his success in ODI cricket in the 2000s.

Younis is polarizing figure and his own personality and antics at different stages of his career have not helped matters either. He has been a controversy magnet since 2007 when he backed out of captaincy at the last minute and kickstarted a period of chaos and instability that last until Misbah’s appointment as ODI captain in May 2011.

 

[moghul]

Younis has always been an average player of fast bowling.

He could not nail his place in the Test side from 2000 to 2005 because he repeatedly struggling against quality fast bowling.

He was a walking wicket against Ambrose and Walsh in the Caribbean in 2000.

He badly failed in South Africa in 2002 where he couldn’t handle the movement of Pollock and the steep bounce of Ntini.

He did well in Australia in 2004-05 but was overshadowed by Yousuf and Butt who played better innings than him.

Same was the case in England in 2006 and South Africa in 2006-07.

People talk about his unbeaten half-century in the Port Elizabeth chase in the second Test, but Inzamam’s 92 not out in the first innings was a far better innings and the only reason Pakistan had a chance of chasing the target.

Without Inzamam, Pakistan would have bundled for less than 150 in the first innings. He added 70-80 runs with the tail.

Even in that run chase, Kamran was the one who swung the momentum in Pakistan’s favor and deflated South African bowling with his aggressive stroke-play.

Yousuf’s counter-attacking 80 odd in the third Test was also a better innings. Pakistan lost the match comfortably but without Younis, they wouldn’t even have scored 100 in the first innings.

Younis played some good knocks outside Asia in the 2000s but there was always someone else doing better than him. He never stepped out of the shadow of Inzamam and Yousuf because he was never better than him.

He only established himself as Pakistan’s premier batsman when Inzamam retired and Yousuf fell out of favor with PCB.

It wasn’t hard for Younis to stand out in the UAE era when Pakistan’s other main batsmen were Misbah, Azhar and Shafiq. He was of course several notches above them.

In ODI cricket he was good in the 2000s when he played in the lower-order. He also had a great purple patch at number 3 in 2007-08, but he was badly exposed in the 2010s when the scoring rates went up due to two new ball rules also more inventive batting because of the T20 era.

Younis was never a complete, all-round batsmen. He did not have that class. However, he was tremendous against spin and had great powers of concentration. Whenever he survived the first 50-60 balls, he made it count and almost always managed to score big.

Among the middle-order batsmen, he was certainly not as good as Miandad, Inzamam and Yousuf, and although it might be too early for some to call it, but I believe Babar is also a better batsman than him in Test cricket as well.

I like the posts like this and analysis of a player based upon his performance and not just for being a fan or against a particular player .