ICC T20 World Cup 2022 | Pakistan v Zimbabwe | Group 2 | Perth | 27 Oct | Pre-match Discussion

[Firebat]

Pakistan need to dust themselves off and go again on Thursday, can still qualify if we defeat the other 4 teams, starting with Zimbabwe on Thursday.

What changes, if any, would you make for that game?

 

[IAJ]

Positives for Pakistan from today's match

Well, the defeat is hurting after having India for 31/4 but things like this happen, especially when you have one of the greatest batsmen ever on the other side.

There were still many posivives from this match;

After the early two wickets Pakistan showed real class and posted almost 160. At one stage even 115 seemed far far away.

And in the second innings the ball was not swinging much, but Pakistan still bolwed their heart out and removed 4 batsmen in no time.

Ifitikhar Ahmed and Shan played beutifully under the circumstances, especially Ifikhar wih those 3 sixes in one over.

So all is not lost, we didn't have the team-selection right and at least 3 wickets were really tame, Shadab, Haider and Asif all failed with the bat.

You really need 6-7 bowlers in these conditions, hopefully the team management will learn from this.

 

[Ahmed_99]

The team will take confidence knowing that Shan and Iftikhar batted pretty well given the circumstances with Babar and Rizwan missing out today

Good to see we didn't drop any catches today considering how bad we were in the field in the warm up game against England.

I think as long as we get our selection and match ups right for the rest of the tournament, we can go far

 

[Markhor]

I agree the boys showed a lot of character after a horror start in the PP. Shan and Iftikhar appear to enjoy AUS conditions than slow, low Asian surfaces.

Bowling was okay but we just boxed ourselves into a corner with our team selection. You have to play six bowlers in a T20, and certainly a 4th seamer in Australia.

 

[Asif321]

Waseem needs to come in for asif or Haider . Both of them can’t play in same line up .
Chatara and muzarabani will trouble our openers

 

[gazza619]

Been saying it for months now, drop the useless Asif Ali and play an extra seamer!

 

[Rana]

Chacha and Naseem had a great match

Shan did ok considering how limited he is

 

[Energy]

Don't think there are any real positives. Fluke innings by Shan, and we reached a par score due to all rounders and bowlers slogging.

Conceded 50 runs off the last 3 overs with the main bowlers pummeled.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Get the team right. Drop Haider and Asif for Fakhar and Waseem. If Haider, Asif and Khushdil have not scored any meaningful runs in past 18 then what miracle tells us they would score runs now in the world cup. Rule of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results.

I don't care if Fakhar plays at 4, 5 or 6. At any position he is an uplift against these dead weights.

 

[hitthestump]

It was great to see Chacha and Shan do a recovery job after we lost our main batsmen.

Naseem was pretty good for a raw 3rd seamer.

Aside from that there was a lot of baptism by fire. Long term Haider, Shaheen and Rauf will have learnt a lot from this game...but that was no good to us today.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Perfect game for Babar the minnow basher to boost his average.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Waseem needs to come in for asif or Haider . Both of them can’t play in same line up .
Chatara and muzarabani will trouble our openers

Yes what battle it will be Mizurubbani vs Babar.

 

[PakPremi]

Iftikhar batted well,Shan did enough to ensure no collapse and scoreboard ticking. Naseem was very good,Haris and Shadab good, Shaheen looked unfit and low on pace,Nawaz had a bad match but poor selection meant no alternative was available. Perhaps Iftikhar should had bowled as he would not had given away no ball and a wide, and bowled a tight line.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

Ah well, wake me up once Pakistan reaches semis, if not, then WC is done and dusted.

 

[Rana]

Pointlessly rushed back Shaheen

He can be sent back home now

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Fakhar and Waseem in for Haider and Asif..

Definitely atleast one change with Waseem in for Asif ali... This guy is batting with his helmet..

Afghanistan bowlers would be mouth watering to chop his head off here in bouncy pitches in Aus, fortunately for Asif they are not in the same group

 

[Kianig89]

Hahaa cometh Zimbabwe and all hail RizBar for a 50/0 start tbh they are holding this team back the top order is pedestrian and middle order is non existent add to it the pacers are burdened

Riz
Bar
Shan
Iftikhar
Nawaz
Haider
Shadab
WasimJr.
Rauf
Naseem
Hasnain

 

[SM1989]

The question is: Is there any coming back from such a defeat mentally?

 

[Mp812]

The question is: Is there any coming back from such a defeat mentally?

The India- Pakistan game ( Group 2 October 23, 2022,ICC Men's T20 World Cup ) reminded me of the SA- Aus 1999 WC semifinal. The way the advantage ping ponged between India- Pakistan in this game was similar to what happened in SA-AUS SF in 1999...
In both games till the last ball the winner could have been either side.
However after that game SA always had a mental block against Australia for a decade.
Could this be start of another world cup streak of wins against Pakistan for India...after the sole victory Pakistan enjoyed in T20 WC 2021.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan should try to get a big win here. Can boost the NRR.

 

[shariqnoor]

Hopefully the guys don't take victory for granted. It could be a potential banana skin. Muzarabani on these pitches for us could be horror.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan should try to get a big win here. Can boost the NRR.

Big win how?

160-170 is our score no matter what we do

Zimbabwe have 3 good batsmen too

 

[shokz1408]

Fakhar in for Haider.
Mohammed Wasim in for Asif Ali.

These are all of asifs innings this year in t20,
3, 9, DNB, 16, 16, 0, 0, 13*, 5, 9, 7, 4, DNB, 25*, 2*,1, and 2 today.

 

[Rana]

Fakhar in for Haider.
Mohammed Wasim in for Asif Ali.

These are all of asifs innings this year in t20,
3, 9, DNB, 16, 16, 0, 0, 13*, 5, 9, 7, 4, DNB, 25*, 2*,1, and 2 today.

Hasnain in for Shaheen

Shaheen has delayed his recovery by rushing himself back in

He is a liability in this condition

 

[saabir]

Zimbabwe can create upset in this WC. Sikander Raza is in the form of his life. If they bowl first and restrict Pakistan to under 150 they can actually beat them. Ervine, William and Raza will be the key for them

 

[shokz1408]

Hasnain in for Shaheen

Shaheen has delayed his recovery by rushing himself back in

He is a liability in this condition

I forgot we had hasnain, though sometimes he can get hammered. One things for sure from what I’ve seen in the World Cup so far we cannot be bowling 8 overs of spin. 4 pacers are an absolute must!

 

[msb314]

Not worth my time and not interested any longer

 

[Energy]

We will go with the almost wunning cumbination.

 

[fight_club]

Anyone who is expecting a walk in the park against Zimbabve on a tricky Perth pitch should wake up, This defeat will be hurting the team and those tall bowlers in Zimbabve doesn't make life easier.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Should be a walk in the park for Pakistan.

 

[Moiz14]

I think today's loss would have definitely hurt them... Either they'll loose the moral completely and will not be able to qualify for semis,
Or this hurt and no ball cheating could lift them as a group and they'll fight and win the world up now.. That is how Pakistan generally operates..

 

[Kianig89]

What if its a green top ala Jo'burg and we are thrown in @ the Waca and our 2stroke openers are stuck which leads to a collapse of 50/6 in 10 overs

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

Anyone who is expecting a walk in the park against Zimbabve on a tricky Perth pitch should wake up, This defeat will be hurting the team and those tall bowlers in Zimbabve doesn't make life easier.

Oh come one yeh din bhi dekhna hai
We will win comfortably IA

 

[PakLFC]

Asif has to be thrown out. This guy may have the ability to hit big 'uns every once in twenty innings or something. Do we have another batsmen that can come in? I don't want a bowler to replace a batsman.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Babar and Rizwan must be licking their lips at the thought of facing Muzarbani and Chatara.

Time for the customary average boosting match.

 

[WengerOut]

Word of caution guys, Zimbabwe bowlers are taller and faster than India's trundler army.

 

[Rana]

Babar and Rizwan must be licking their lips at the thought of facing Muzarbani and Chatara.

Time for the customary average boosting match.

Oooooh yeaaah

Time for some runnnzzz

 

[Ami]

Babar
Riz
Shan
Fakhar
Ifti
Nawaz
Shadab
Wasim
Afridi
Naseem
Haris

Just as [MENTION=145403]Extra_Cover[/MENTION] mentioned.

 

[asadee]

Either we will destroy them or the effects of today's loss will show in a below par performance

 

[Giroux28]

Maybe they should open with Asif Ali. Like the Kiwis did in WC15. Some quick runs at the top could really put Pakistan ahead in first 6 overs, it could also get him going for other up coming games. If it fails so be it.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hopefully the guys don't take victory for granted. It could be a potential banana skin. Muzarabani on these pitches for us could be horror.

Muzarabani and Ngarava could be a handful on a spicy Perth pitch
. Shan Masood will be crucial once again because he is strong off the backfoot.

Pakistan should not take them lightly. No team should.

 

[Ahmed216]

Last post until Babar gets removed as a captain

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

No interest now in this world cup

 

[PakLFC]

Word of caution guys, Zimbabwe bowlers are taller and faster than India's trundler army.

Losing to Zimby then we'll deserve to go home. I think our batting is better then there's!

 

[hitthestump]

Maybe they should open with Asif Ali. Like the Kiwis did in WC15. Some quick runs at the top could really put Pakistan ahead in first 6 overs, it could also get him going for other up coming games. If it fails so be it.

a) he has never opened
b) he can't survive more than 6 balls
c) he can't rotate strike
d) he cannot manage a moving ball
e) he cannot play spin

Let's not discuss this anymore, shall we.

 

[Rana]

No interest now in this world cup

Stay

We are not out of it!

 

[Rana]

a) he has never opened
b) he can't survive more than 6 balls
c) he can't rotate strike
d) he cannot manage a moving ball
e) he cannot play spin

Let's not discuss this anymore, shall we.

Why not? It’s a very good suggestion

Stop doing everything under the sun to protect RizBar Tuk combo!

 

[WengerOut]

Sikhander Raza against Rauf & Co would be fun if it happens for atleast some time.

 

[Sarwar89]

Our wounded Lions led by Babar need to focus firmly take 1 match ( battle at a time) and go with full determination to win each of the remaining matches.

 

[Giroux28]

a) he has never opened
b) he can't survive more than 6 balls
c) he can't rotate strike
d) he cannot manage a moving ball
e) he cannot play spin

Let's not discuss this anymore, shall we.

No harm in trying. I mean he couldn't do any worse than he's already doing right now and one has to wonder with all these deficiencies why is he even in playing XI?

 

[muqarrab]

Pakistan need to dust themselves off and go again on Thursday, can still qualify if we defeat the other 4 teams, starting with Zimbabwe on Thursday.

What changes, if any, would you make for that game?

Time to drop haider and bring in m. wasim. Shaheen isnt fit, clearly, if we keep playing with him we need another full time bowler.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Babar
Riz
Shan
Fakhar
Ifti
Nawaz
Shadab
Wasim
Afridi
Naseem
Haris

Just as [MENTION=145403]Extra_Cover[/MENTION] mentioned.

Absolutely mate. We need this team to go further in the tournament. I don't mind throwing Nawaz/Shadab at 3 or 4 depending on our opening partnership. Also I'm open to replacing Waseem with Hasnain or Ifti with Asif/Haider as the tournament progress and if they lose their form. But for the rest of the matches we need to nail this team down and keep the basics right. Chances are we would go further in the tournament with this line-up.

 

[light]

In all honesty, if Raza actually played for Pakistan, what would be his chance to be represented in the playing XL (or national team for that matter)?

I rate Raza very highly, sad that he plays for a weak team like ZIM.

 

[IMMY69]

Fakhar for Haider
Wasim Jr for Asif

If Shaheen is fit then have him bowl four overs on the trot (if he is bowling well)...
I have my reservations on Shaheen's death bowling.

 

[PakLFC]

I've gotta a bad feeling about this one. I want to see anger on Pak faces although with the timid Babar as captain i very much doubt it. Hopefully we'll win the toss and bat first.

 

[PakLFC]

Fakhar for Haider
Wasim Jr for Asif

If Shaheen is fit then have him bowl four overs on the trot (if he is bowling well)...
I have my reservations on Shaheen's death bowling.

I think he's unfit or ill.

 

[world cup captain]

This needs to be a big win. Bowl first and get them out cheap. Boost up the NRR as much as possible so it doesn't bite us like in 2019.

 

[IMMY69]

I think he's unfit or ill.

In that case Wasim Jr for Asif or Haider.
Unless we have another batsman in the squad

 

[Nabeel23]

1. Haider/Fakhar depending on Fakhars fitness
2. Shan
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Nawaz
6. Iftikhar
7. Shadab
8. Mo Wasim jnr
9. Shaheen
10.Rauf
11.Naseem

This would be the ideal line up for the rest of the tournament thought it is unlikely for both Babar and Rizwan to move down to 3 and 4. In that scenario Rizwan can stay at opening and Babar move down to 3, best batsman should be batting at 3.

 

[psyoptica]

Fakhar needs to come in for Haider and Waseem for Asif Ali.
This should be the playing 11:

1. Fakhar
2. Rizwan
3. Shan
4. Babar
5. Shadab/Iftikhar
6. Nawaz
8. Iftikhar/Shadab
9. Shaheen
10. Waseem
11. Naseem

 

[GreenKhan]

Fakhar will be effective on these pitches . These conditions are right up his street .

 

[Markhor]

Think the boys will have enough to win and will be itching to bounce back after this heartbreak.

However unfortunately while Pakistan can beat any team in the world, they can also lose to any team in the world and it could be messy against 6ft 8 Muzarabani on a quick, bouncy Perth pitch.

Let's hope they learn their lesson and play four seamers.

 

[Rana]

Think the boys will have enough to win and will be itching to bounce back after this heartbreak.

However unfortunately while Pakistan can beat any team in the world, they can also lose to any team in the world and it could be messy against 6ft 8 Muzarabani on a quick, bouncy Perth pitch.

Let's hope they learn their lesson and play four seamers.

Zimbabwe would miss Brendon Taylor against us

He was one hell of a player of the ramp shot at any length against express pace

Those shots would really hurt our pacers on such tracks

 

[indianpanacea]

Fakhar
Rizwan
Shaan
Babar
Iftikhar
Nawaz
Shahdab
M.wasim jnr
Afridi
Haris
Naseem

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Bowl first

I firmly believe this team has the mental toughness to look past today. Yes it’s hard to swallow losing from such a position but I feel Babar and Rizwan will guide the team

 

[PakLFC]

In that case Wasim Jr for Asif or Haider.
Unless we have another batsman in the squad

Need a batsman for a batsman and bowler to replace a bowler.

 

[Major]

if shaheen is fit, than play him for match practise. if he is not fit than rest him or even drop him and bring in one of the reserves

dont need to play 4 pacers against Zimbabwe lol. 3 pacers and 2 spinner is good enough.

Bring Khushdil in for haider ali.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Bowl first

I firmly believe this team has the mental toughness to look past today. Yes it’s hard to swallow losing from such a position but I feel Babar and Rizwan will guide the team

We might win but we all know what will happen in a semi.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

We might win but we all know what will happen in a semi.

Semis are far away right now, just need to focus on upcoming games one by one

 

[Rana]

Semis are far away right now, just need to focus on upcoming games one by one

Lol exactly

If any of these 3 lighter sides (Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Netherlands) manage to post 160 on the board…

 

[rhony]

Zim batsmen will be blown away by Pak pacers. SA however will probably beat Ind and Pak and top the group.

 

[moghul]

Drop Asif, Play Husnain for him , with Shaheen not firing , we need sheer pace upfront , with Rauf .

If Shaheen's pace was down against India due to lack of matches under his belt in recent weeks and he has recovered fully , they he should play to get back to rhythm in coming matches but if he as any question on his fitness , don't play him.

If team wants any contribution from Haider, send him at 4 , before Shadab , even Nawaz should bat ahead of Shadab.

I,m very impressed with Naseem , the young man is very smart, he mixes his slow balls very very well. He is even more reliable than Haris in death overs.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Another heart throbbing and nerve wrecking match in works.

As always, Pakistan will most likely make a mess out of it by digging a hole for themselves and try to crawl out in the last overs.

 

[Savak]

Play 5 geniune pacers and go for the kill. If you have 5 140-150 km/hr pacers, if you will not use them in Australia, where else will you use them? Aim should be to get 10 wickets

 

[Justcrazy]

Md wasim should replace Asif Ali. That is the only change we can think of.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Play an extra pacer, and drop Asif Ali. Pakistan is not winning any matches with their batting.

 

[Justcrazy]

Play 5 geniune pacers and go for the kill. If you have 5 140-150 km/hr pacers, if you will not use them in Australia, where else will you use them? Aim should be to get 10 wickets

I agree , go for the kill with pacers , look for wickets right through the innings.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan players on their way to Perth

 

[WengerOut]

They look relaxed... Good to see. Just a game this.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Think people are reading too much into it.

Babar and Rizwan will bat for at least 12-14 overs.

We don't need 8 batsmen in the team for 6 overs of batting.