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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

A combination of washouts and unexpected defeats for India and England will help out the lower teams big time.
 
Tomorrow is a big day for Pakistan and Bangladesh.

If England loses their chances will definitely increase for them to go to the semis.

Expect a cracker of a match tomorrow!
 
Mueez said:
Tomorrow is a big day for Pakistan and Bangladesh.

If England loses their chances will definitely increase for them to go to the semis.

Expect a cracker of a match tomorrow!
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Yeah, can't wait for tomorrow's match. :P
 
If Pakistan wins the next 3 games, they are very likely to qualify to semis. England, newzealand and Australia all have tough games ahead of them and one of them will falter.
 
Ozeirk said:
If Pakistan wins the next 3 games, they are very likely to qualify to semis. England, newzealand and Australia all have tough games ahead of them and one of them will falter.
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Just have to beat NZ then it should be plain sailing for us.
 
Hearing rumours that England vs Australia won’t be a flat pitch. Maybe something in it for the bowlers. When that happens we usually know what happens to England then. :)
 
Syed1 said:
Just have to beat NZ then it should be plain sailing for us.
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Pakistan has the momentum to do that. Things have changed since the beginning of Pakistan's campaign and areas where Pakistan was lacking are slowly getting addressed.

Amir has found new ball form, Pakistan middle order issues seemed to be resolved by inclusion of Haris Sohail and Shadab is taking wickets which can be beneficial against teams like newzealand. Pakistan still needs to work on their catching and that could be their Achilles heel.
 
Australia can lose all their remaining matches and miss out on the semis. That way, India, England, New Zealand and Pakistan can make the semis which will make most people happy. No one wants to risk seeing the Aussies win ANOTHER World Cup, except the Aussies themselves. Also, cheats like Smith and Warner do not deserve to get a sniff of that trophy.
 
Bilal7 said:
Australia can lose all their remaining matches and miss out on the semis. That way, India, England, New Zealand and Pakistan can make the semis which will make most people happy. No one wants to risk seeing the Aussies win ANOTHER World Cup, except the Aussies themselves. Also, cheats like Smith and Warner do not deserve to get a sniff of that trophy.
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I'm confused about what I want thw outcome to be for 2maw.

If Aus win they are out of our range. If they lose they could still beat SA and be out of our range.

It's confusing as maybe the easiest thing is for England to lose and them lose to India too, but I also like the fact that nobody is officially out of range from Pak yet.

Only thing is if Eng win and Pak lose to nz it is officially over for us, and if Aus win and we then lose to NZ it is not officially over for us. So I guess that counts for a lot!
 
Bilal7 said:
Australia can lose all their remaining matches and miss out on the semis. That way, India, England, New Zealand and Pakistan can make the semis which will make most people happy. No one wants to risk seeing the Aussies win ANOTHER World Cup, except the Aussies themselves. Also, cheats like Smith and Warner do not deserve to get a sniff of that trophy.
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Aussies are born winners at cricket. Only team which can stop them is India. We have to play our best ever game if we meet in the finals.
 
Not much has changed since I last posted in this thread though Windies beating NZ would have really changed that by requiring NZ to at least get another win. Here are the important remaining fixtures for AUS, ENG, and NZ in chronological order (I have excluded other IND games because IND will have to perform the choke of the millennium to not make semifinals from their current position):

1) AUS v ENG (Tuesday)
2) PAK v NZ (Wednesday)
3) AUS v NZ (Saturday)
4) ENG v IND (Sunday)
5) ENG V NZ (next Wednesday)
6) AUS v SA (next Saturday)

As it stands now, BAN/PAK/SL will be watching the ENG v AUS match very keenly. The loser of that game will have quite a bit of pressure, especially if it's ENG that loses. For example, if ENG lose, they must win their remaining games against IND and NZ in order to qualify in the event that BAN/PAK reach 11 pts or SL reaches 10 pts with superior NRR. On the other hand if AUS loses to ENG (and NZ loses to PAK after that), both AUS and NZ will treat their game with utmost importance as both will not want to leave their qualification fate undecided till their last game (SA for AUS, and ENG for NZ)! PAK v NZ also becomes important for AUS/ENG, as they would want NZ to win (and effectively knock out PAK).

Plenty of drama left in this WC, but from a Pakistani perspective, we have to believe we will qualify if we win our remaining 3 games. We just got a win under the belt so the NZ game comes at the perfect time for us.

Washouts: The most unfortunate washout for PAK would be if any of our own games got washed out. It would be almost as bad if the AUS v ENG game got washed out and they shared points. The AUS v SA and ENG v NZ encounters may also be of importance (in terms of getting washed out) depending on the preceding results for those two teams.

The Top 4 Team Most Likely to Drop: ENG, followed by AUS (unlikely, but more likely than NZ). I'm surprised by the lack of panic from ENG supporters/pundits given that they have already lost to PAK and SL, which means they are probably 50-50 or just under that to win 2 of their remaining 3 games (since AUS/IND/NZ have performed better than ENG in this tournament). Also, the reason that it's not likely that NZ would drop out is that their NRR is far superior to that of BAN and PAK, so if BAN and PAK somehow win all their remaining games, it's very unlikely that NZ will have a lower NRR. Of course, if PAK smash NZ into oblivion, we might be able to change that - but that is very unlikely given the current form of both teams.
 
The Pakistan scenario:

Beat NZ, Afg and BD, and hope that India do them a favour :)
 
Gents I'm a little bit worried. BBC forecast showing violent rain from 7am until midday. A washout would be an absolute disaster for us and maybe the perfect outcome for Aus and Eng.
 
Saj said:
The Pakistan scenario:

Beat NZ, Afg and BD, and hope that India do them a favour :)
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If we beat NZ, we will definitely be praying for an Indian victory over England! :D
 
BuffaloSoldier said:
Gents I'm a little bit worried. BBC forecast showing violent rain from 7am until midday. A washout would be an absolute disaster for us and maybe the perfect outcome for Aus and Eng.
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The cut off time is 4pm so we should be good to go by then.
 
Could it be a case of careful what you wish for? We could qualify as #4 and face India potentially in semifinal. Our team is just not good enough to beat them. But still I am hoping we make semis.
 
Ozeirk said:
If Pakistan wins the next 3 games, they are very likely to qualify to semis. England, newzealand and Australia all have tough games ahead of them and one of them will falter.
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Our NRR is good, we would need to get smashed in all 3 games and Pakistan will need to win big in there's to qualify ahead of us on NRR.
 
ar2020 said:
Could it be a case of careful what you wish for? We could qualify as #4 and face India potentially in semifinal. Our team is just not good enough to beat them. But still I am hoping we make semis.
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Come on bro. Just imagine the high of getting to semis
 
Aman said:
Our NRR is good, we would need to get smashed in all 3 games and Pakistan will need to win big in there's to qualify ahead of us on NRR.
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A hundred run win on Wednesday and we are half way there.
Eng/Aus could beat u fairly well too and then we need to deal with afg.
It's just about possible right now
 
There are two ways we can qualify:

1) We win all remaining matches and England only win a maximum of 1 of their remaining 3 matches.

2) We lose one match (ie. vs. NZ) and England lose all 3 of their remaining matches.
 
1 thing people are forgetting which I myself didnt even notice, is that wins, not NRR, is the first tiebreaker in the event teams are level on points. So if England lose every other game, for example, and SL win 1 more and both end up on 8, England will qualify as they have 1 more win, even if their NRR is significantly weaker.

With that in mind I think only Bangladesh can challenge now, but they really need a favour from Australia, because if the Aussies lose that game BD will need two wins to even have a chance. If England win tomorrow you'd feel they've done enough.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
1 thing people are forgetting which I myself didnt even notice, is that wins, not NRR, is the first tiebreaker in the event teams are level on points. So if England lose every other game, for example, and SL win 1 more and both end up on 8, England will qualify as they have 1 more win, even if their NRR is significantly weaker.

With that in mind I think only Bangladesh can challenge now, but they really need a favour from Australia, because if the Aussies lose that game BD will need two wins to even have a chance. If England win tomorrow you'd feel they've done enough.
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Exactly eveyone keeps talking about NRR but it's in fact the number of wins they look at first your right if their tied at that than its net run rate and if that case their tied than head to head
 
Donal Cozzie said:
1 thing people are forgetting which I myself didnt even notice, is that wins, not NRR, is the first tiebreaker in the event teams are level on points. So if England lose every other game, for example, and SL win 1 more and both end up on 8, England will qualify as they have 1 more win, even if their NRR is significantly weaker.

With that in mind I think only Bangladesh can challenge now, but they really need a favour from Australia, because if the Aussies lose that game BD will need two wins to even have a chance. If England win tomorrow you'd feel they've done enough.
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Pakistan in on 5 points, if they win against Kiwis, Afghanistan and Bangladesh they will be on 11 points and if England loses all their matches then they remain on 8 points. Everything depends on tomorrow's match, if Australia wins then I have a feeling 1992 WC winner repeat in the works :imran
 
Donal Cozzie said:
1 thing people are forgetting which I myself didnt even notice, is that wins, not NRR, is the first tiebreaker in the event teams are level on points. So if England lose every other game, for example, and SL win 1 more and both end up on 8, England will qualify as they have 1 more win, even if their NRR is significantly weaker.

With that in mind I think only Bangladesh can challenge now, but they really need a favour from Australia, because if the Aussies lose that game BD will need two wins to even have a chance. If England win tomorrow you'd feel they've done enough.
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I thought us weaker teams had no chance???
 
Saj said:
The Pakistan scenario:

Beat NZ, Afg and BD, and hope that India do them a favour :)
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A team losing deliberately will do no good to its chances in the important games. I don’t think if India do win it will be because they want to favour Pakistan.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I thought us weaker teams had no chance???
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You can thank the lankans for opening up the pandora's box. All is alive except AFG/SA. No one has made it to the semi final (100% yet). NZ being very close.
ENG is in most danger of getting the boot. Losses to SL/PAK did not help their cause either. They played their easiest games well ahead of anyone. Now their toughest 3 games await. Both SL and PAK showed that england are chockers when chasing. Aussie bowling/batting are far superior to both mentioned before. Grab onto your seat for tomorrow's match and hope England takes a loss. If not, it becomes evidently harder for PAK/SL/BD and even WI to stay alive in this year's WC.
 
New Zealand has played all its games against weaker oppositions, credit to them to not make any mistakes however the next matches will be tough as they are playing against tough teams and if they end up losing all their games the nrr will take a hit.

I don’t believe AUS, Eng and Nzl are out of the woods.
 
light said:
You can thank the lankans for opening up the pandora's box. All is alive except AFG/SA. No one has made it to the semi final (100% yet). NZ being very close.
ENG is in most danger of getting the boot. Losses to SL/PAK did not help their cause either. They played their easiest games well ahead of anyone. Now their toughest 3 games await. Both SL and PAK showed that england are chockers when chasing. Aussie bowling/batting are far superior to both mentioned before. Grab onto your seat for tomorrow's match and hope England takes a loss. If not, it becomes evidently harder for PAK/SL/BD and even WI to stay alive in this year's WC.
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I disagree. It is far more likely that Australia lose all their games. England only lose against Sri Lanka because they took them lightly. They'll be completely focused tomorrow and the Aussies might very well get a beating they won't recover from.
 
Bilal7 said:
I disagree. It is far more likely that Australia lose all their games. England only lose against Sri Lanka because they took them lightly. They'll be completely focused tomorrow and the Aussies might very well get a beating they won't recover from.
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So you are saying Eng will win against Aus and Ind , only lost to Lanka coz they took Lanka lightly and PCT defeated them fair and square?
 
My hunch is that despite England loss to Sri Lanka and resultant excitement generated among fans of teams that had lost hopes, normalcy will return and the same four teams, who were expected to qualify before, will qualify, as originally thought.:warner
 
NZ getting underrated in this thread, they’re a good team IMO.

England will become by far the most vulnerable of the “top” teams if they fail to beat Australia.

RE weather, forecast looks fine from 10 today so we will get a full game.
 
James said:
NZ getting underrated in this thread, they’re a good team IMO.

England will become by far the most vulnerable of the “top” teams if they fail to beat Australia.

RE weather, forecast looks fine from 10 today so we will get a full game.
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Nz have been lucky in this tournament.
They have deluded well all the fans. I don't think they are looking like a team which will win the wc
 
Bilal7 said:
I disagree. It is far more likely that Australia lose all their games. England only lose against Sri Lanka because they took them lightly. They'll be completely focused tomorrow and the Aussies might very well get a beating they won't recover from.
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It would take a miracle for Australia to not qualify as they are a top pressure team.

No team would fancy facing Australia in semis or finals.

I know this is the reason everybody wants them out.
 
Pakistan have very high peaks and very extreme lows in my opinion.

We beat the top contenders England and lost to West Indies.

The 2nd team we beat is probably going to be 2nd bottom from the table.

I am surprised fans are expecting easy wins against NZ and Bangladesh considering these teams are in upper half of the table.

Pakistan has its work cut out in both games to win somehow.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Pakistan have very high peaks and very extreme lows in my opinion.

We beat the top contenders England and lost to West Indies.

The 2nd team we beat is probably going to be 2nd bottom from the table.

I am surprised fans are expecting easy wins against NZ and Bangladesh considering these teams are in upper half of the table.

Pakistan has its work cut out in both games to win somehow.
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Have to agree with that, this week is going to be tense for all Pakistan fans.

Hoping for the best. :)
 
If both India and New Zealand win their next games are their semi final spots 100 % confirmed regardless of what happens in other matches?
 
fanofcricket4life said:
If both India and New Zealand win their next games are their semi final spots 100 % confirmed regardless of what happens in other matches?
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NZ will be confirmed for the Semis if they win their next match.

India will need 1 more point to ensure qualification. 11 can get them through on NRR.
 
aqeelPK said:
India's problem is not qualifying for semis. Their problem is they will either face England or Pakistan in Semi Final & Australia in final.
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Hows that a big problem ? its semis and none of the teams are easy ..but one team I would love to avoid are Aus .
 
nextover666666 said:
Exactly eveyone keeps talking about NRR but it's in fact the number of wins they look at first your right if their tied at that than its net run rate and if that case their tied than head to head
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Teams tied for points will most likely have same number of wins .
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan will be hoping for an Australia win today. After today's clash Australia have to play NZ & South Africa, while England still have to play India & New Zealand <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvAUS</a> <a href="https://t.co/oTFsPqDzPf">pic.twitter.com/oTFsPqDzPf</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143433858534256643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Mike Atherton "If Pakistan can tomorrow do what nobody else has done so far in this tournament & beat New Zealand, that would put the cat amongst the pigeons if England don't win today"
 
Dr_Bassim said:
It would take a miracle for Australia to not qualify as they are a top pressure team.

No team would fancy facing Australia in semis or finals.

I know this is the reason everybody wants them out.
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Yes, that is exactly why I do not want them in the semis. If they get there, they'll end up winning it again.
 
Saj said:
Mike Atherton "If Pakistan can tomorrow do what nobody else has done so far in this tournament & beat New Zealand, that would put the cat amongst the pigeons if England don't win today"
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Now I am starting to believe Pakistan will be the 4th team to qualify for the semis.
 
szundercover said:
Now I am starting to believe Pakistan will be the 4th team to qualify for the semis.
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All this optimism just because Pakistan beat a team whose only win was against Afghanistan? Pakistan have no chance against New Zealand. Bangladesh game is 50-50.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Pakistan have very high peaks and very extreme lows in my opinion.

We beat the top contenders England and lost to West Indies.

The 2nd team we beat is probably going to be 2nd bottom from the table.

I am surprised fans are expecting easy wins against NZ and Bangladesh considering these teams are in upper half of the table.

Pakistan has its work cut out in both games to win somehow.
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Absolutely no one thinks that NZ and Bangladesh are "easy" wins, especially considering the dangerous form their match-winners are in. But this is a qualifying scenario thread where we're postulating that if Pakistan manage to win out their games. How many of you would bet on Croatia making the Finals of the WC? That's what's beautiful about sports - at the end of the day a weaker XI can beat a stronger XI. And as they say... half the battle is in your head. Pakistani team (and fans) most likely don't fear NZ - NZ just doesn't have the mental stranglehold on Pakistan the way Aus/India do.
 
Nov15 said:
All this optimism just because Pakistan beat a team whose only win was against Afghanistan? Pakistan have no chance against New Zealand. Bangladesh game is 50-50.
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I don't think it's that simple. Pakistan beat England, got close to beating Australia and if it weren't for those dropped catches Pakistan would have won the match. Amir is finding new ball form, Shadab is looking settled and Pakistan's middle order issues are getting resolved. The team looks good to win the rest of it's matches.
 
shaaik said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan will be hoping for an Australia win today. After today's clash Australia have to play NZ & South Africa, while England still have to play India & New Zealand <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvAUS</a> <a href="https://t.co/oTFsPqDzPf">pic.twitter.com/oTFsPqDzPf</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143433858534256643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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PAK will win tomorrow for sure!
 
After aus' win today, pak have a serious chance now.
Beat nz and I'd back pak to go to the semis.
 
BUMP

How much damage done today

Our road to glory continues #achedin

Fingers crossed for tomorrow can we will be should we should have would have :pkflag2 :2gunsfiri:
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Australia's win over England is a good result for Bangladesh, Sri Lanka & Pakistan.<br><br>England's remaining matches:<br>India & New Zealand<br><br>Bangladesh yet to play:<br>India & Pakistan<br><br>Sri Lanka have to play:<br>S Africa, WI & India<br><br>Pakistan yet to play:<br>NZ, Afghanistan & Bangladesh<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://t.co/RD5A4vEXqd">pic.twitter.com/RD5A4vEXqd</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143567913724645376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
england will beat new zealand and most probably india also. it will be an england vs india or england vs australia final.
 
Number of permutations increasing for us every day. There is a scenario in which we can qualify even if lose to NZ (eng will have to lose to both India & NZ).
 
england still the favourites for 4th spot.

SL is 2nd favourites , i think they will beat sa and windies.

can't see bang;adesh beating india and pakistan beating newzealand.

pakistan bd match will be 50-50.



imo , england will lose both the matches and sl will grab the 4th spot.
 
3 spots to grab.

India, NZ, England, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan in the race.

Who will be the remaining semi finalists?

Tick tock tick tock.
 
Mueez said:
3 spots to grab.

India, NZ, England, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan in the race.

Who will be the remaining semi finalists?

Tick tock tick tock.
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India and NZ are pretty much through to the semis. It will take a monumental screw up if they didn't qualify.

It basically comes down to England, SL, BAN, and PAK targeting the 4th-semi spot.

Pakistan wins all their matches and if England loses one more, Pakistan will be through.
 
KaaziSaab said:
India and NZ are pretty much through to the semis. It will take a monumental screw up if they didn't qualify.

It basically comes down to England, SL, BAN, and PAK targeting the 4th-semi spot.

Pakistan wins all their matches and if England loses one more, Pakistan will be through.
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Same for SL and BD. If they win all their matches, england looses one more, they too are through. So technically it's to see if ENGLAND looses one more match and then to see which one of these teams wins all their games.

Scenerio:
England can still go through, even with one win (but that RR is not looking good anymore). If they loose one, they need to pray that both pak/bd gets max 9 points.
Pakistan: can still go through with 2 wins (need to win 3 if england wins one more)
Bangladesh: Same as pak (harder task for them since INDIA is standing in their way - but if both pak/bd wins two from here on, bd goes through for better RR)
SriLanka: better position than both BD/PAK with that extra washout point. If they win all the remaning games, they are through irrespective of their RR.

AUS made it to SEMI today. Almost certain that both NZ and IND are through aswell. NZ is already sitting at 11 points with a good RR. It would be highly unlikely that any of the bottom feeders can top their RR, even if they loose.
 
Any reason why England seem to have more rest/recovery days than others during this critical period? At least compared to Pak. The only time England had congestion it was between ‘easy’ games.
 
If England wins even one game, then other teams will have to win all their matches to have a chance.
 
RehanG said:
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This is how its going to end.....
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If you're assuming BD will win against IND and then IND goes to loose rest of it's matches, you expect to win against that already pumped up BD to make it through? Also you expect a team that hasn't lost a single game yet to suddenly loose all the remaning of the matches? Come one man, make a serious effort =_=
 
Saj said:
Of the 3 left to play, Bangladesh worry me the most as opponents.
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No game is easy. NZ is the team of the tournament, Afghanistan beat us in the practice game and Bangladesh is a better side than Pakistan at the moment. We have to play above our A game in every game from here. Lack of quality spinners and new ball bowling is most worrying for me.
 
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