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Koi nhi Agha jee we fully back you. We'll get them in the semis
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Did anyone else notice the post game sledge Ishan gave Shaheen?
It will be a better idea to boycott SF in that case.Koi nhi Agha jee we fully back you. We'll get them in the semis
Yeah, I get that feeling too. Agha looked under severe pressure today. In the post match , he admitted that conditions actually got better for batting in the 2nd innings and even tracking data suggested that (turn was significantly less in the 2nd innings)
This was a huge skills gap today but it doesn't help when these players are playing under such pressure. Execution was not good enough.
You are amazing bro, keep it upPitch seems flat.
I think 160-170 can be chased down easily.
I saw Nawaz kinda escaped as SKY is not that great against left arm spinners. He faced mostly. Also Dube was not set at that time. Kishan would have made his figures a lot worse. Saim and Tariq turned the ball they bowled in the range of 75 kph as ball gripped and turned square like 4th ro 5th day wicket. If INdia had played Washi in place of Rinku they could have posed far more problemsOf the Pakistani bowling, the spinners were actually decent, namely Saim, Usman and Nawaz. That part worked.
I'm talking from a general sense in regards to what the intent should be. In the case of this team the balance is definitely not there. I said this before the start of the tournament aswell when everyone wanted all of Pakistan's spinners to play in the same match. One plus of this hammering might be that they can finally drop one spinner in Abrar or Nawaz. Also, all of these all-rounders are not the same. Agha is not really an all-rounder, Saim is a top-order batsman so his bowling is an added plus. Whereas Shaheen is the textbook definition of a blind slogger.But batting/bowling balance have to be there.
Shadab - all rounder,
Nawaz all roudner,
Saim - all rounder
Agha - semi all rounder,
Faheem - all rounder,
Shaheen - quarter all rounder.
I am sure shaheen is preferred for his batting skill as well. Only guys who don't bowl are Farhan, Babar and keeper. If you pick all rounders the problem is when they practice what would they practice bowling or batting?
Not gonna defend the players after yet another shambolic performance but feels like alot of unnecessary pressure is put on them where they are told that whatever you do you can't lose to India. Even in the U-19 World Cup we saw he youngsters completely disregard qualification to the semis in favor of trying to beat India. And all this does is increase the probability of them losing to India
This. Some will say Agha had to accommodate all the different parchis in the xi. Responsibility for selecting an un-balanced xi lies with Agha-Hesson duo.But batting/bowling balance have to be there.
Shadab - all rounder,
Nawaz all roudner,
Saim - all rounder
Agha - semi all rounder,
Faheem - all rounder,
Shaheen - quarter all rounder.
I am sure shaheen is preferred for his batting skill as well. Only guys who don't bowl are Farhan, Babar and keeper. If you pick all rounders the problem is when they practice what would they practice bowling or batting?
We don’t know if he saw the match in Jail
Agha yes but I would still continue with Ayub Personally for the time being. Yes Agha for sure as well& Agha Ayub
They will get dumped by this Indian team too.Am I the only who thinks Noman Ali or Sajid Khan should be in the team?
Specialist spinners are needed.
This. Some will say Agha had to accommodate all the different parchis in the xi. Responsibility for selecting an un-balanced xi lies with Agha-Hesson duo.
Brilliant analysis.I saw Nawaz kinda escaped as SKY is not that great against left arm spinners. He faced mostly. Also Dube was not set at that time. Kishan would have made his figures a lot worse. Saim and Tariq turned the ball they bowled in the range of 75 kph as ball gripped and turned square like 4th ro 5th day wicket. If INdia had played Washi in place of Rinku they could have posed far more problems
The batting unit that played for us, even on paper looked incapable of beating ind on any given day, the performance that followed reflected that fundamental reality.Pathetic disgusting shameful , no other words to describe Pakistans performance
Don’t forget Mohammed Nawaz, Yousaf sahib!Significant statement from Yousaf, he served as the team's batting coach for a few years so he knows full well what the attitude of these players are like.
I can understand to an extent. Because I have the same outlook and have seen Pakistan lose some Test matches that really hurt. Most recent one probably the Centurion test against South Africa. But I can understand how it can be worse when you are used to seeing your team perform so well most of the time.Oh intellectually I agree but losing a test not to mention a test series at home hits you in the gut. These T20 games are just fun appetizers. This is the first game I've watched in this World Cup and I can assure you even a loss here would've been a mild annoyance at best.
My main fear in this World Cup is that a victory will extend Gambhir's tenure as a Test coach.
My wife was actually taunting me about this - apparently I make fun of her for watching Korean dramas but this game is my equivalent.This is why Indians pay so much for this game. It's our men's version of a Saans-Bahu soap - given you mild tension but very predictable and enjoyable in the end.
Meh, it’s fine. I made peace with what this team is a long time ago. Life is about accepting that not everything you invest in will return the way you hoped. I just try not to let this team spoil my love for the sport itself, which is played by many more teams.My commiserations to sincere pak fans like u who deserve a better team or atleast a guys who fight better or show better skills
You really can’t compare Indian players to Pakistani players. The probability of a young Indian cricketer making it to the national side is microscopic. The depth is insane. You’re competing against millions, across structured age-group systems, academies, A-teams, domestic circuits - and only the absolute best survive. So right from the beginning you have to be very dedicated and hard-working to make it.These are lame excuses. Indian players face the same pressure.
Trophy is still in his locker btw
Is that what we call a "no look" bowled
Following a sport and supporting a team is so shitty though.I can understand to an extent. Because I have the same outlook and have seen Pakistan lose some Test matches that really hurt. Most recent one probably the Centurion test against South Africa. But I can understand how it can be worse when you are used to seeing your team perform so well most of the time.
Well you are the gormet aunty after allLot of "normal" Indian fans hugged me on the street and said better luck next time, wasn't all bad.
Hopefully Namibia send them back homeThe better team won. Once India crossed 150, the result was a foregone conclusion imo.
Whether or not it would have made a difference, not playing Fakhar was a stupid move.
After another abject batting display against India, it is purely academic whether Pakistan beat Namibia and progress to the next round. Pak simply cannot bat well under pressure. Anything above 150 seems beyond us. That is the harsh reality.
I think India, South Africa, New Zealand, and the Windies will / or should make the semi-finals.
Sometimes I wish I was just born in Australia. To not even care about a sport as much as much as the sub-continenties and be 6-time World Champions and an elite-level Test team lol.Following a sport and supporting a team is so shitty though.
The reward when it comes is nice and all but you digest it easy and start looking forward to the next one. A bit like a greasy burger.
A loss, especially when it's not expected hurts you so bad.
Sometimes I wish I was back to the early '00s (which is where I suppose you are) numb to losses but throughly enjoying every great performance by Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and co.
They care a lot about sports in general, they are way more emotionally attached to sports as well, just that they put in a lot of hard work.Sometimes I wish I was just born in Australia. To not even care about a sport as much as much as the sub-continenties and be 6-time World Champions and an elite-level Test team lol.
Yes that's true. And that's what has probably allowed them to excel in so many sports. Their mindset and approach reminds me alot of the American mindset towards sports.They care a lot about sports in general, they are way more emotionally attached to sports as well, just that they put in a lot of hard work.
Aussies of the past hated losing.
Online and real life is different, although come to think of it, online is probably harder.its fine once only a few Indians including yours truly stayed 3 days after Ct2017.. final against entire PP lol
None of them have played as long as Babar and they are just finding their feet in cricket still. Saim is just 23. Nice try.and what about position of the captain in the team? of Saim as an opener in the team? Irony is you don't speak about parchi captain but keep speaking about Babar as if he is your behnoi and not performing upto the mark.
They don’t give 2 $hits what he saysSignificant statement from Yousaf, he served as the team's batting coach for a few years so he knows full well what the attitude of these players are like.
Please sweep_shot bro, stay away from Pakistani team, you bring bad luck. Heard Bangladeshi kitty cats were in the stands supporting Pakistan and it brought Pakistan a heavy defeat.It's all good. Just a group stage game. It was like a warmup game.
Pakistan should focus on Super Eight.
Most people in real life are reasonable people. I am yet to meet a Pakistani who is outright bigoted against India. Only exception seems to be fans of a pathetic loser team called BD fansLot of "normal" Indian fans hugged me on the street and said better luck next time, wasn't all bad.
Well said.This result was never really in doubt. Indian sports journalists and broadcasters needed to hype this fixture to make the janata cared about the match because I think like most Pakistanis, most Indians know the result of the match before a single ball is bowled too. And if you are a true fan of a good sports team you can only take so much pleasure out of hammering a mediocre side again and again. Deep down, any real sports fan wants to see good competiton so I imagine it must get boring after a certain point. The others who hype this match are jingoists who are cheering more for political reasons that have nothing to with cricket.
lol sorry i didn’t get it was in real.. it’s sadder in real but harder online.Online and real life is different, although come to think of it, online is probably harder.
Jingoists will be jingoists. They are morons and shouldn't be engaged with because that only emboldens them. Unfortunately in this part of the world there are so many that it takes alot of patience to ignore them.Well said.
It's never black and white but I, who can hope to claim myself a genuine cricket fan with a little jingoism thrown in, am enjoying these games less and less.
I assume jingoists who are also passing cricket fans are finding it more difficult to potray this game as a victory of right over 'great evil' when we win it at a trot.
Devdas, I dont regularly post on this forum, but everytime I come on, I look forward to your posts, they make me laugh! But, where do you when Pakistan win?
Lot of "normal" Indian fans hugged me on the street and said better luck next time, wasn't all bad.
I think definitely Babar needs to go, may be Shaheen too for next match.We knew all along this ttfs will fail once again I am not surprised by the result led by a parchi captain
Remaining matches
Nafay for usman khan
Fakhar for babar
Mirza for shaeen
Also to many bit and bob players no balance in the team maybe bring in naseem for faheem or shadab
You really can’t compare Indian players to Pakistani players. The probability of a young Indian cricketer making it to the national side is microscopic. The depth is insane. You’re competing against millions, across structured age-group systems, academies, A-teams, domestic circuits - and only the absolute best survive. So right from the beginning you have to be very dedicated and hard-working to make it.
On top of that, the IPL has hardened them mentally in a way few other things can. They come through a system that drills fundamentals early, and by the time they reach the IPL, it’s about refinement. There, they’re playing in front of packed stadiums, massive audiences, elite international players and relentless scrutiny. Pressure IS the environment.
In IPL, if you play even two dot balls in a row, there’s this rising murmur in the crowd. Because everyone knows something is about to give. Either the batter will break free or he will get out trying to.
Playing in that environment forces you to either grow up fast, or get left behind.
Jahan Insaan hu, wahan 'gadhu' ki kami nahi hoti!Jingoists will be jingoists. They are morons and shouldn't be engaged with because that only emboldens them. Unfortunately in this part of the world there are so many that it takes alot of patience to ignore them.
C'mon bro, that's unfair to donkeys. Unlike the people in question donkeys don't choose to be morons.Jahan Insaan hu, wahan 'gadhu' ki kami nahi hoti!
Comparing the PSL to the IPL is like comparing a solid local brand to a global juggernaut. It's just not the same thing.This is what the PSL should be doing for Pakistani players.
Why is the PSL failing to uplift Pakistani players to take their games to the next level?
SSCWhere do you guys play Namebia same ground?
Colombo SSC.Where do you guys play Namebia same ground?
They are not.. US has lost against both India and PakFlop match. Pakistan need to bring back Haris Rauf. Pakistan is in danger of getting knocked out by USA again.
Flop match. Pakistan need to bring back Haris Rauf. Pakistan is in danger of getting knocked out by USA again.
I think the dew factor was the main reason behind those stats favoring teams batting in the second innings.Night matches at Premadasa
Won while chasing - 21
Won while batting first - 8
It's not very straightforward I guess.
Comparing the PSL to the IPL is like comparing a solid local brand to a global juggernaut. It's just not the same thing.
Pakistani fans should start a petition against zimbo shadab nawaz faheem shaheen that they are never selected again in T20is.
Something should be done.
They have lost last 6 t20is against India.