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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

barah_admi said:
If these games are not rain affected, I guarantee they will win 3 games. The only one that is very problematic is the brilliance of this NZ side.
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Not so sure about the Pak vs Bangladesh result either, not after today’s game.
 
I think Australia, England, and India will make it. I don’t see any point in thinking we can chase them.

NZ have a difficult run , they are our most realistic team to chase. I think they will beat West Indies. I thought West Indies would give them a game but they looked pathetic today.

If South Africa vs New Zealand happens, I can see South Africa beating them. They won’t have to worry about spin. They have the pace attack to worry NZ batting.

I see them beating Pakistan sadly. This ensures the top 4 will probably get through unless South Africa or Bangladesh win all their games.
 
Right now, best chances (from pretenders) in order are

NZ
SAF
BD
SRL
PAK
AFG

If people can expect PAK to win 4 games, SRL also should expect to win 3 out of last 4 games (IND, SAF, WIN, ENG) and they are 1 point a head. In fact, theoretically AFGs are not out yet.

I genuinely think, without that rain (against WIN), SAF would have equal chances with NZ to qualify - they are still in. Standing on 3 points and they can definitely beat PAK, NZ, SRL & AUS. They had the toughest start with games against ENG, IND .... and lost one unexpected game against BD, but they are a better team than the first week of WC.
 
cririri said:
Nz vs sa will be the most important match other than our own matches for us,if nz lose here it's game on.
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Looks like that game will be a shorter one. Heavy rain till 1, after that no rain. Not sure who that will suit. But really hoping South Africa beat them. That gives us a real chance of getting through.

Sadly can’t see West Indies beating New Zealand.
 
Bangladesh victory against West Indies is a pretty good thing, if we can win all our games. This has now left us with 5 teams competing for 4 spots if Pakistan is to qualify.

Bangladesh, South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan can't qualify together with us.
 
This WC format is the best. Ensures the best plays the best in the end, all teams have to be on their A games at all times. ICC should follow this format in the future as well
 
I am surprised by the OP. Despite today's result, WI losing to Bangladesh, and the unpredictable weather, we should now expect to watch 20+ dead rubbers?
 
I’m getting optimistic again for our chances to reach the semis...

Don’t know why but still :)
 
MMHS said:
Right now, best chances (from pretenders) in order are

NZ
SAF
BD
SRL
PAK
AFG

If people can expect PAK to win 4 games, SRL also should expect to win 3 out of last 4 games (IND, SAF, WIN, ENG) and they are 1 point a head. In fact, theoretically AFGs are not out yet.

I genuinely think, without that rain (against WIN), SAF would have equal chances with NZ to qualify - they are still in. Standing on 3 points and they can definitely beat PAK, NZ, SRL & AUS. They had the toughest start with games against ENG, IND .... and lost one unexpected game against BD, but they are a better team than the first week of WC.
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New Zealand vs South Africa looks like it will be shorter game. No rain after 1 pm. Who do you think it’s suits?

I can see South Africa winning. If they beat Pakistan, they have a excellent chance of making semi with NZ remaining games.
 
Pak_Jazba said:
Just did a quick math on what is possible / impossible, and considering realistic results of upcoming matches the following came to be.

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Obviously, the red matches can go either way and are swing matches. However, considering the current form of teams I have selected the following winners. Further, the point table turns out like this.

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The caveat obviously being Pakistan win all their remaining games, which in current circumstances seems most unlikely. However, hoping for a more positive outlook in the next few weeks.
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Good stuff buddy.

Thanks for the calculations.
 
This is a very premature thread. The fourth team will be Pakistan because we have lost as expected to the two teams that have a psychological hold over us, but no other team has. Here’s how we do it. We must win 4 out of 4. We have always been slow starters and the underdog label suits us entirely.

We will beat New Zealand which means we have won 2 of the top 4 teams. We will beat saf and also Bangladesh. Bangladesh will be our toughest tightest game.

England and nz are gonna have a nr and a loss each. Which means 3 teams are gonna be sitting on 11 points and run rate is gonna come into it. We will beat one of England of new Zealand on run rate to clinch
4th place.

There are some serious changes about to take place in the team. Harris is coming in for shohaib, imad is gonna open with amir...wahab and husnain are gonna be utilised solely in the middle and death overs.

This is a new era of innovations and Pakistan are gonna lead the way. When windies in the 1980s bowled short and phast we showed the world how to bowl full and phaaast, really phaaast. So they called us cheats then emulated. When the 1996 World Cup came we went hard and fast batting first but they called us foolhardy and emulated then jaya and kalu took credit. When the 1999 World Cup came we just went went phaster and phaster..Shoaib was even kicking his own butt all the way to the final and but for a last minute choke we almost got the trophy. Then we did a did a u turn and forgot about phast and just mesmerised with mystery spin. While the whole world emulated phast we reinvigorated spin.

Now they whole world is waiting with baited breath at our next innovation and what we are gonna show is that in this era of big bats short boundaries power plays and two new balls is that the line and length bowler is redundant. The best way to stop 300 plus scores is just to roll the ball with non spin.

Step fourth imad, Harris hafeez in the power play. There’s nothing left to lose Sarfaraz and Co right now are chugging on their fags planning away.

Good luck boys fans through thick and thin.
 
Aus to beat Ind
Pak to beat Eng

Aus to win the toss and elect to bat in the final. Bowled out for 140. Pak to chase it down easily.

Twenty years later, and the demons of 1999 exorcised.

Then I wake up from my dream.
 
Don't think this team has it to make the 4 frankly speaking. It is just dependent on too many factors and variables. Also no confidence that this team has it right now to beat Afghanistan and Bangladesh.
 
Chokli said:
Super 6s was the best format.

Quarter Final format was the worst
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Disagree with quarter finals. I'd much rather have quarter finals than this garbage. I agree though, best format is Super 6s. I hope they change the next format to 2 groups of 6-7 and have a Super 6 stage. Super 6 ensures that very few group games are meaningless, because teams who have already qualified still have an incentive to try for wins as points carry forward.
 
aloo paratha said:
Disagree with quarter finals. I'd much rather have quarter finals than this garbage. I agree though, best format is Super 6s. I hope they change the next format to 2 groups of 6-7 and have a Super 6 stage. Super 6 ensures that very few group games are meaningless, because teams who have already qualified still have an incentive to try for wins as points carry forward.
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QF was a waste of time, the group stages were meaningless.

Exactly, Super 6s was the best.... super 8 was pushing it.
 
Gilly said:
How does this work, who is supposed to win out of Aus v NZ and Aus v Eng and NZ v Eng.

According to this there is no winner in any of those matches.
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These are different scenarios.
For example if eng lose against those 3 teams, pak will replace eng.
If Nz lose those 4 matches, pak will replace nz etc.
They're not proportional.
 
aloo paratha said:
Well this format is an even bigger waste of time.
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It only seems that way since Sri Lanka, Pakistan, South Africa are not as good as 4 years ago and there is a huge gap between the top 4 and bottom 6.


If this was the format in 2015/2011 - It would have been a cracker.

2019 WC is still not that bad but the weather ruined much of the hype
 
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Hasan123 said:
Australia and England can’t both lose when they are playing each other. Same with NZ vs Australia.
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The way I understand they are posing how any of current top 4 will end with 10 or less points with pakistan having 11.
 
Hasan123 said:
Australia and England can’t both lose when they are playing each other. Same with NZ vs Australia.
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We are all focusing on nz, but looking at this table the Aus scenario looks quite possible as well....
 
mon858 said:
We are all focusing on nz, but looking at this table the Aus scenario looks quite possible as well....
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Fair point. But I would back Australia to win a game vs NZ or South Africa in a pressure situation.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Mate, those are different scenarios.
It's to show the 4 ways pak can qualify.
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Then add the first condition - a small matter of winning remaining 4 games. Then the 4 scenarios come into play -

IND one impossible, slim chance of ENG one, but AUS & NZ scenario definitely can happen. However, PAK winning 4 games probably has a little better chance than losing all 4, because AFGs are in the mix.
 
Mueez said:
I’m getting optimistic again for our chances to reach the semis...

Don’t know why but still :)
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Because u are a fan and love Pakistan cricket.
Lots of people here obviously are not on the level of me and you ��
 
What I see in all those 4 ways is somehow Pakistan will magically win 4 matches.

Okay perhaps.

But then top 4 teams Australia, India, England or NZ ( have to magically start losing to somehow make Pakistan reach semi final).

I am beginning to think our fans are suffering the after effects of PTSD for actually believing.
 
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We were in the exact same situation in 1992. We had to rely on other teams to lose their matches and for us to win all. The team back then was kind of similar. None of these big names of today were that big in 1992. The only thing that is lacking is leadership. If Sarfaraz can somehow transform himself to become the Captain he was in CT17, we have a good chance InshaAllah. He has to make tough decisions now and drop Shoaib Malik asap.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
What I see in all those 4 ways is somehow Pakistan will magically win 4 matches.

Okay perhaps.

But then top 4 teams Australia, India, England or NZ ( have to magically start losing to somehow make Pakistan reach semi final).

I am beginning to think our fans are suffering the after effects of PTSD for actually believing.
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I understand that you have your coping mechanism and others have theirs
 
Hasan123 said:
Ok. Those scenarios are unlikely to happen to be honest.
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I can even see bang beating Aus if bang bat first.
That puts Aus in serious strife. They would have to win 2 out of NZ eng and SA.
We would accept them having a knockout game Vs SA, to see us through
 
Abdullah said:
I can even see bang beating Aus if bang bat first.
That puts Aus in serious strife. They would have to win 2 out of NZ eng and SA.
We would accept them having a knockout game Vs SA, to see us through
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Bangladesh won’t beat Australia. Also if they can beat Australia they can beat Pakistan.

I would back Australia to beat South Africa and NZ in a pressure game.
 
There are scenarios where we can get away with 10 points, so can afford a wash out.main issue is our next game we have to win it
 
Abdullah said:
I can even see bang beating Aus if bang bat first.
That puts Aus in serious strife. They would have to win 2 out of NZ eng and SA.
We would accept them having a knockout game Vs SA, to see us through
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I see england to loose all their remaining matches. Pakistan will automatically grab 1st spot after wining 4 games against SA and NZ and thrashing Afghanistan and bangladesh to boost not required NRR. Be optimistic
 
Instead of worrying and planning all these scenarios why don’t we concentrate on the South Africa game first? If we don’t win that we are gone. It won’t be an easy game. It’s must win for South Africa as well.

For now focus on the game in hand.
 
India has 5 potentially easy games, they will qualify for sure. Australia have an easier game in BD.

New Zealand have an easy game in WI and will probably beat one of the other teams at least (probably Pakistan). And run rate is just too high.

England are the easiest out of the top 4 to upset as they're the only one of the top 4 to have an upset. They could easily lose to NZ, India, Aus, they're tough matches.

However yeah I'll be shocked if the top 4 is the current top 4.

Sri Lanka has the best chance out of the rest to jump into top 4. They could beat WI and SA, and if they somehow beat England they could enter.
 
Hasan123 said:
Instead of worrying and planning all these scenarios why don’t we concentrate on the South Africa game first? If we don’t win that we are gone. It won’t be an easy game. It’s must win for South Africa as well.

For now focus on the game in hand.
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This is true. It is ALL about the NEXT GAME
 
Abdullah said:
Because u are a fan and love Pakistan cricket.
Lots of people here obviously are not on the level of me and you
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Everyone will join the bandwagon once they have qualified for the semis iA!

‘Pakistan cricket at it’s best, one minute down next minute up.’

This really sums up Pakistan and it’s cricket.
 
uak92 said:
We were in the exact same situation in 1992. We had to rely on other teams to lose their matches and for us to win all. The team back then was kind of similar. None of these big names of today were that big in 1992. The only thing that is lacking is leadership. If Sarfaraz can somehow transform himself to become the Captain he was in CT17, we have a good chance InshaAllah. He has to make tough decisions now and drop Shoaib Malik asap.
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Just like Imran dropped Saleem Malik from the the team if I’m not wrong....
 
Here is a question for y'all. SA has any chances left or does many things needs to happen which is out of their control?
 
We lost the last series against SA, NZ, Ban, and lost our last game against Afghanistan. But somehow we will manage to win against them in a WC no less and that too after being beaten to a pulp in the tournament so far. Well I look forward to this comeback
 
Tournament starts tomorrow for us, if we can't win at least 2 out of 5 we don't deserve to be in the Semis.

Bangladesh will need to win 3 out of 4 (Aus, India, Afghanistan and Pakistan) to be in the mix.

Pakistan needs to win all their games and WI are probably out.
 
Aman said:
Tournament starts tomorrow for us, if we can't win at least 2 out of 5 we don't deserve to be in the Semis.

Bangladesh will need to win 3 out of 4 (Aus, India, Afghanistan and Pakistan) to be in the mix.

Pakistan needs to win all their games and WI are probably out.
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You guys got such an easy opening fixtures. You got to increase your NRR by beating the pulp out of AFG and SRL. Nonetheless, you have a very good team.

Semi
Eng vs NZ
India VS AUS

Final:
Eng vs IND
 
captain.hansolo said:
this is a fantastic format... dont be a sourpuss because your team is floundering.
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You can probably find posts of mine from over a year ago where I say the same thing. I have thought this formula sucked long before the tournament started.

Also, lets say that Pakistan was doing well, and was pretty much confirmed a semis spot, why would I want to watch 2-3 extra Pakistan games that are practically meaningless? Why would I want to wait for WI, SA, Afghanistan and Lanka battle amongst themselves for 8 games even though they have no way of making the semis. I would just want to get to the real deal, the semi finals instead of wasting time. That is what is happening to India right now and will happen to New Zealand once they beat South Africa and WI by the end of this week.

Next time, think a little before speaking.
 
aloo paratha said:
You can probably find posts of mine from over a year ago where I say the same thing. I have thought this formula sucked long before the tournament started.

Also, lets say that Pakistan was doing well, and was pretty much confirmed a semis spot, why would I want to watch 2-3 extra Pakistan games that are practically meaningless? Why would I want to wait for WI, SA, Afghanistan and Lanka battle amongst themselves for 8 games even though they have no way of making the semis. I would just want to get to the real deal, the semi finals instead of wasting time. That is what is happening to India right now and will happen to New Zealand once they beat South Africa and WI by the end of this week.

Next time, think a little before speaking.
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because pakistan is not the only team playing the tournament. also that would be 6 games.

n teams, each playing the other once, makes for n*(n-1)/2 unique games. that is at most 3 days. some of those games may occur on the same day or as with weekends, two games in a day.

you dont see any australian, or english or indian supporters complain about having to watch pakistan stumble their way out of the tournament do you?
 
aloo paratha said:
You can probably find posts of mine from over a year ago where I say the same thing. I have thought this formula sucked long before the tournament started.

Also, lets say that Pakistan was doing well, and was pretty much confirmed a semis spot, why would I want to watch 2-3 extra Pakistan games that are practically meaningless? Why would I want to wait for WI, SA, Afghanistan and Lanka battle amongst themselves for 8 games even though they have no way of making the semis. I would just want to get to the real deal, the semi finals instead of wasting time. That is what is happening to India right now and will happen to New Zealand once they beat South Africa and WI by the end of this week.

Next time, think a little before speaking.
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I think they could've let 6 teams into knock out with team 5/6 playing a qualifier then an eliminator with number 4 team. That would've made the knockout more exciting. However, I guess they don't want any flukes this time.

Also, this is more about individual teams and games. For example, I am still excited for that RSA vs PAK game or that ENG vs India game.
 
captain.hansolo said:
because pakistan is not the only team playing the tournament. also that would be 6 games.

n teams, each playing the other once, makes for n*(n-1)/2 unique games. that is at most 3 days. some of those games may occur on the same day or as with weekends, two games in a day.

you dont see any australian, or english or indian supporters complain about having to watch pakistan stumble their way out of the tournament do you?
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All those games are meaningless. Who cares whether you finish 6th or 10th, if you didn't make the semis, you're our of the World Cup.

Obviously you'll hardly see and English or Indian posters complaining, because tehre aren't that many because this is a Pakistani forum. Go to a neutral forum like Reddit and people have been complaining for a pretty long time.
 
NZ had were fortunate to get their game against SL without being rained off. And had two easy wins and the. just got over the line against BD, had it not been for mushys howler! BD could’ve been on 6points.

Now NZ will have tougher fixtures. We need SA, England, Australia to beat NZ!
 
Hasan2K8 said:
NZ had were fortunate to get their game against SL without being rained off. And had two easy wins and the. just got over the line against BD, had it not been for mushys howler! BD could’ve been on 6points.

Now NZ will have tougher fixtures. We need SA, England, Australia to beat NZ!
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I think, we need to focus entirely on next game - if we can beat AUS, the tournament is wide open for 4-5 teams, for last 2 spots.

Probably same XI (Miraz will trouble Aussies), if possible bat first and put close to 300, then bring spinners in. Nottingham is probably highest used ground so far, therefore that wicket should assist spinners. One more good game from Shakib, backed by all other players, you never know.
 
MMHS said:
I think, we need to focus entirely on next game - if we can beat AUS, the tournament is wide open for 4-5 teams, for last 2 spots.

Probably same XI (Miraz will trouble Aussies), if possible bat first and put close to 300, then bring spinners in. Nottingham is probably highest used ground so far, therefore that wicket should assist spinners. One more good game from Shakib, backed by all other players, you never know.
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Would be nice to see that. I would be happy to see one of England, Australia or India getting kicked out of top 4. NZ I have a soft spot for and even RSA to some extent.
 
Looks like a rainout on Wednesday between NZ and SA. Increases chances for Pak provided we win our next 4 games
 
Aman said:
Tournament starts tomorrow for us, if we can't win at least 2 out of 5 we don't deserve to be in the Semis.

Bangladesh will need to win 3 out of 4 (Aus, India, Afghanistan and Pakistan) to be in the mix.

Pakistan needs to win all their games and WI are probably out.
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NZ is a good team.

I'd be shocked if you guys mess up from here.
 
Sa
Bdesh
Sl

Winning the next 3 games will split open this WC for everyone. I hope atleast 2 of those happen!
 
Chokli said:
It only seems that way since Sri Lanka, Pakistan, South Africa are not as good as 4 years ago and there is a huge gap between the top 4 and bottom 6.


If this was the format in 2015/2011 - It would have been a cracker.

2019 WC is still not that bad but the weather ruined much of the hype
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Pakistan was worse 4 years ago. We would have lost 9 out of 9 in this format with that team.
 
Other teams are also in the same boat as Pak.

It is impossible for this team to qualify in this bruised & battered condition. Im looking forward to retirement of Malik & Hafeez. There is hope.
 
aloo paratha said:
Well this format is an even bigger waste of time.
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Well this WC format ensures best of the best plays the semi (unless rains poops on the party). There is no other way around it.

out of context, would have prefered ZIM over this over hyped AFG team. Their batters > AFG batters. Raza, Taylor and co would have definitely put on a better show than these T20 hacks.
 
I don't think team spirit is not left anymore with Pak team to bounce back. Already reported infight.
 
Majid Khan said:
Never mind semi finals, I think people should give them a hero’s welcome if the Pakistan team are able to beat Bangladesh and Afghanistan before returning home - that’s to say thanks for avoiding any further humiliation and disgrace.
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That's the best comment of the forum. Our team doesn't have the abilty to win against big team. Winning against BD and AFG would be great achievement although I highly doubt we will any of that.
 
basitirfan said:
Looks like a rainout on Wednesday between NZ and SA. Increases chances for Pak provided we win our next 4 games
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Gotta feel for SA. having the worst time with looses and rain out there. SL complaning about pitches... if anything, SA needs to complain about this english weather B S
 
Rain is killing us, the matches against SA and India were definitely winnable and we haven't played in more than two weeks if tomorrow is rained out...

Such nonsense if we miss out because of rain.
 
Aman said:
Rain is killing us, the matches against SA and India were definitely winnable and we haven't played in more than two weeks if tomorrow is rained out...

Such nonsense if we miss out because of rain.
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You would have most probably lost both. Best case 1 win. At least you got 2 points equivalent to that one win. NZ has been lucky indeed.
 
BreadPakoda said:
You would have most probably lost both. Best case 1 win. At least you got 2 points equivalent to that one win. NZ has been lucky indeed.
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Wait for it.. He will now come with warm up match performance against India ignoring the fact that WI smoked them in one of the matches as well.
 
BreadPakoda said:
You would have most probably lost both. Best case 1 win. At least you got 2 points equivalent to that one win. NZ has been lucky indeed.
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If we win both win we're through, this SA team has been terrible and I was always confident going into a match against India given how much we've played them.
 
One thing about us that we have over most other teams is our analytics and strategizing this is why I favored us to do India in during the WC.

Maybe best to save it for a potential Semi.
 
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Aman said:
Rain is killing us, the matches against SA and India were definitely winnable and we haven't played in more than two weeks if tomorrow is rained out...

Such nonsense if we miss out because of rain.
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You will play against sa. The match most likely won't be a washout
 
^Better to compete for 2 points and lose.

1 point isn't going to do anything for us, we'd still need 2 wins to progress. 11 seems to be the cutoff.
 
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