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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

mon858 said:
I wonder if we are focusing on wrong team to displace for semis. NZ is number 1. How about England or India even. With a few losses and few washouts against weak teams maybe we can displace one of them if we win the next 5 or 4 plus 1 washout?
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What about aus??
The win predictor on the CWC19 app says that if aus lose 3 out of their last 5 matches they'll have 10 points and pak will have to win all 5 games to go through.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
What about aus??
The win predictor on the CWC19 app says that if aus lose 3 out of their last 5 matches they'll have 10 points and pak will have to win all 5 games to go through.
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Sorry mate that is not happening.

You would have to go back to 1992 before you can find an Australian team missing out semi finals.

Australia will be right up there even if they dont win outright.
 
Why do people think that we can win our remaining five games when we are still due to play India and NZ? Lol
 
Rifaqat said:
Why do people think that we can win our remaining five games when we are still due to play India and NZ? Lol
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Than what should people say?
We will lose 5 out of 5.

Its the passion in the people that makes them believe till the end. Thats why you support a team.
 
pakistani pride said:
Than what should people say?
We will lose 5 out of 5.

Its the passion in the people that makes them believe till the end. Thats why you support a team.
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Best to be realistic than overly optimistic

I have a feeling that even SA might surprise us lol
 
Rifaqat said:
Malik Malik Malik

Is that all you talk about?

Yawn. You sound like a broken record
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Lol :))

He should’ve guided our team to the total.

After all twenty years of cricket and he couldn’t.

How can you justify that?
 
Ronaldo7 said:
What about aus??
The win predictor on the CWC19 app says that if aus lose 3 out of their last 5 matches they'll have 10 points and pak will have to win all 5 games to go through.
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4 wins from 5 gives us 11 points. If aus have 10 points we will displace them.

Can’t see them beating england but can you really expect them to lose both SA and kiwi match?

Pak chances could well depend on the AUS and SA game
 
wasimjunior said:
4 wins from 5 gives us 11 points. If aus have 10 points we will displace them.

Can’t see them beating england but can you really expect them to lose both SA and kiwi match?

Pak chances could well depend on the AUS and SA game
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I'm counting sa as a win for them not a loss.

Loss vs eng
Loss vs nz
 
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AUS Scenario :

Vs SL = Win
Vs BD = Win
Vs Eng = Lose
Vs NZ = Lose
VS SA - Virtual Eliminator ( AUS)

NZ Scenario

vs SA - Win
Vs WI - Win
Vs PAK - Lose
Vs ENG ( Clash of Table Toppers ) Win
vs AUS - Win

IND Scenario

Vs PAk - Lose
Vs AFG - Win
Vs BD - Win
Vs ENG - Lose
vs SL - Lose ( Could be the Party Crasher Match )

ENG / NZ will share No.1 and No.2 and i assume NZ to Top the Group and ENg at 2nd

PAK will share 4rth Place with a Fight against AUS/WI/SA

IND will finish 3rd and Play Against Eng in Semi final and Pak will play Against NZ

ENG vs Pakistan Final
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Yeah. So pak will have to win 5/5 unless aus loses to both nz and sa.
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who knows IND/AUS could be fighting for 4rth Spot - and SA like Rain Hit and Misfortunations in 1992 could bypass them and reach in TOp 4 ..

i might be highly optimistic here But WorldCup is now in the business end and we`ll see some party crashers rising up. At the moment it`s very easy to say PAK/SA are pretty much over according to super realistic people.

But they often forget one thing about Pakistan - There is nothing so simple and straight forward about this nation from the moment of independence and it will keep playing emotions and yet Destiny is what Pakistan usually banks on and history has taught us well . Our Nation has been a story of emotions , luck , patience and hardwork in Patches but ultimately just like Makkah Moazmah ( Pak Zameen) - Pakistan is gifted something yet being so undeserving at times.
 
life4smile said:
AUS Scenario :

Vs SL = Win
Vs BD = Win
Vs Eng = Lose
Vs NZ = Lose
VS SA - Virtual Eliminator ( AUS)

NZ Scenario

vs SA - Win
Vs WI - Win
Vs PAK - Lose
Vs ENG ( Clash of Table Toppers ) Win
vs AUS - Win

IND Scenario

Vs PAk - Lose
Vs AFG - Win
Vs BD - Win
Vs ENG - Lose
vs SL - Lose ( Could be the Party Crasher Match )

ENG / NZ will share No.1 and No.2 and i assume NZ to Top the Group and ENg at 2nd

PAK will share 4rth Place with a Fight against AUS/WI/SA

IND will finish 3rd and Play Against Eng in Semi final and Pak will play Against NZ

ENG vs Pakistan Final
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And pakistan won the worldcup. Wah what an emotional and breathtaking dream.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Yeah. So pak will have to win 5/5 unless aus loses to both nz and sa.
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Semi agree. Run rate due to windies game and the Lanka rained off has COST US HUGE.

If pak win 4 games out of 5 remaining we have 11 points.

For the kiwis to have 11 points they need to win 2 more from Eng, Aus, SA, WI.
For Windies to have 11 points they need to win 4 more from Afg, Bang, Eng, India, NZ, SL,

For Aus to have 12 points (no NR)...they need to win 3 from next 5 vs SL, Bangladesh,SA, Eng, Kiwis....
Realistically they will win at least 1 from Sa, Eng, Kiwis.....if not 2/3...



I cant see Kiwis beating Eng or Aus. So provided one of SA and WI do the business we are good.

As for Windies, I cant see them beating Eng or India.This consequently makes the NZ/Kiwi match v important a problem for Pakistan as whoever wins this is very likely to finish joint with us on 11 points and will no doubt have a better run rate.

Thus we will need Kiwis to lose to saffers and beat WI realistically...provided india, england and aus dont have any upsets and keep winning.

In an ideal world....Windies can also lose to anyone really, so maybe them beating Kiwis is also nice for us provided Bangla/Afg/Lanka can do us a favour.

Looks tricky but is all possible.
 
Going to be very tough for Bangladesh to qualify for the semis...assuming no more rain-outs (pretty big if):

Given India, Australia, and England seal 3 of the 4 semifinal spots: it leaves BD competing with NZ, WI, and PAK for the final spot. NZ currently hold all the aces, so they would have to lose most of their remaining games. WI have a great net run rate advantage over BD and PAK.

For Bangladesh they have to win against PAK, WI, and AFG and then hope NZ loses all their games.
 
The thing is we are assuming that Eng, Aus, NZ and Ind will definitely beat Afghan, Bangla, SL, SA and WI but this year, every team is strong.

Don't write off the West Indies at all, they beat us easily, just about lost to Australia and had South Africa at 29/2. No reason why they can't beat any of the top 4 or actually qualify themselves. Equally, SA is still a good team, we can't just assume they'll lose every game this tourney as they have done so at this stage. Afghanistan will definitely not end with 0 points at this WC, they will take a win or 2 from the other teams and the same can be said for SL and Bangla. These teams are weaker on paper but every team has the talent in their squad to pull off an upset. Arguably, this is the most competitive WC based on the strength of each squad and that was said coming into the World Cup so why are we now just assuming India, Australia and England will beat any team that comes into their way. We already saw what happened in Pak vs Eng.

If Pakistan win 4/5, I reckon they will have a very good chance of going through because very easily New Zealand could fall off and only win 1 of the next 5 and the same could be said about any team. To safely qualify, they need at least 5 wins but even 3 could just be enough if there is a No Result against India. For those worried about NRR, that can be improved in one match so that is not as much of a big deal at this stage with 5 games to go. At this stage we should just be optimistic and back the boys as we are not even halfway through this tournament and anything can happen in sports.
 
life4smile said:
AUS Scenario :

Vs SL = Win
Vs BD = Win
Vs Eng = Lose
Vs NZ = Lose
VS SA - Virtual Eliminator ( AUS)

NZ Scenario

vs SA - Win
Vs WI - Win
Vs PAK - Lose
Vs ENG ( Clash of Table Toppers ) Win
vs AUS - Win

IND Scenario

Vs PAk - Lose
Vs AFG - Win
Vs BD - Win
Vs ENG - Lose
vs SL - Lose ( Could be the Party Crasher Match )

ENG / NZ will share No.1 and No.2 and i assume NZ to Top the Group and ENg at 2nd

PAK will share 4rth Place with a Fight against AUS/WI/SA

IND will finish 3rd and Play Against Eng in Semi final and Pak will play Against NZ

ENG vs Pakistan Final
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Amazing! This is EXACTLY my forecast as well. That the final points table will look like this:

ENG ======= 1 ======= 9-7-2-0
AUS ======= 2 ======= 9-7-2-0
PAK ====== 3 ======= 9-6-2-1
INDIA ==== 4 ======= 9-6-2-1
NZ ======= 5 ======= 9-5-3-1
WI ======= 6 ======= 9-5-3-1
BDESH ==== 7 ======= 9-2-6-1
SA ======= 8 ======= 9-2-6-1
SL ======= 9 ======= 9-1-6-2
AFG ====== 10 ====== 9-0-9-0

Yes, there's some wishful thinking here (I expect to be *flamed*!!!), but my reasoning is not flawed. If Pakistan can win the remaining matches, and (this is a bigger *IF*) there are no unexpected no-results. If that happens, then NRR comes into play.

I have created a tool that anyone can download and play with. Updated to include NZ vs IND. Please feel free to check it out:
http://nmoghal.pbworks.com/w/page/134068980/wc2019
 
This thread has become a bit too crazy, posters talking about nz winning only one of rest 5 games etc. Let's just stop , wait and enjoy sunday game then take it from there. After that match we have long break so we will know exactly whether we stand a chance or not especially if sunday is a loss. If sunday is win then it keeps things open for longer while.
 
Pak has to play against Ind, NZ and SA. You may lose all three of them. Even Bangladesh game is not a sure win. Remember you lost to Afghanistan in a warm-up game?
 
Don’t look at NRR on its own. True comparison is when teams have played same number of games.
 
In 4 matches, they won only one. Lost 2. One washed out due to rain.
England match was not easy win
In 4 matches, they won only one. Lost 2. One washed out due to rain.
England match was not easy win for them.
They want SA to lose against Pakistan and win against NZ and Australia.
They are not reaching semis with their talent but want shortcuts to reach top 4.
 
Australia luck will runout eventually they won two tight games by luck against WI n Pak
 
Kianig89 said:
Australia luck will runout eventually they won two tight games by luck against WI n Pak
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Was it just luck or was it an ability to play better in tight situations compared to the other team.
Aussies deserved to win both games, thet were comfortably the better team vs pakistan and slightly better team vs windies
 
no body talk about FAKHIR.
he shouldnt be playing in wc.
he got some servious problems and need to go back to basics and practic
all other are fine and could win a match for us on a good day
 
Now if all remaining matches get washed :
NZ - 12
Ind - 11
Eng - 10
Aus - 10
WI - 9
SL - 9
Pak - 9
Bang - 8
SA - 6
Afg - 6

Semi Final
Aus vs NZ
(If rain continues)
NZ

Eng vs Ind
(If rain continues)
Ind

Final
Ind vs NZ
(If rain continues)

NZ - India will win jointly.
Congratulation NZ 🇳🇿 and India 🇮🇳 in advance to win Cloud Cup.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
SportsWarrior said:
Now if all remaining matches get washed :
NZ - 12
Ind - 11
Eng - 10
Aus - 10
WI - 9
SL - 9
Pak - 9
Bang - 8
SA - 6
Afg - 6

Semi Final
Aus vs NZ
(If rain continues)
NZ

Eng vs Ind
(If rain continues)
Ind

Final
Ind vs NZ
(If rain continues)

NZ - India will win jointly.
Congratulation NZ 🇳🇿 and India 🇮🇳 in advance to win Cloud Cup.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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lol, so at this point of world cup, NZ and India will be happiest if all games are rained out =)
 
wasimjunior said:
4 wins from 5 gives us 11 points. If aus have 10 points we will displace them.

Can’t see them beating england but can you really expect them to lose both SA and kiwi match?

Pak chances could well depend on the AUS and SA game
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Nz is much better than Australia
 
Need any of eng,nz or aus to not win more than 2 matches and pak to win 4/5 atleast.We should win by a big margin against the minnows teams(but i am not even sure that we will win lol).
Nz have played all the easy matches,we need one of sa or wi to win against them and ourselves too.
 
Win all the remaining gAmes and you don’t have to worry about other teams and run rates. Easiest and simplest way is the best way. Win all the remaining 5 games. And it’s not like we can’t. We beat England.. our team can beat anyone. The lay smart and sensible cricket is a requirement though.
 
Pakistan will end up with 9 points on the table at best and it all ends there... U heard it here !
 
Seeing people talking about all these combinations makes my head spin.
But can understand.
 
If u had said to PPers Pak will have 5 points after first 5 games k owing we play Wi, eng, SL, aus , Ind I think we would all take 5 points.
Win against India and we are right back in this. That is what is at stake
 
pakistani pride said:
Than what should people say?
We will lose 5 out of 5.

Its the passion in the people that makes them believe till the end. Thats why you support a team.
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There's a difference between being passionate, and being utterly blind & deluded though.

You still have to be a realist and recognize when your side is NOT one of the best atm.
 
Usergame said:
Was it just luck or was it an ability to play better in tight situations compared to the other team.
Aussies deserved to win both games, thet were comfortably the better team vs pakistan and slightly better team vs windies
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Australia was rubbish against both Pakistan and West Indies. They allowed both teams to maintain complete control over the games at different intervals. Unfortunately both these teams literally gifted the Aussies their wickets and succumbed to the pressure.

West Indies middle/lower-order and Pakistan's top-order lost the games, rather than Australia winning them.
 
Hasan123 said:
The weather is predicting to be fine for Australia vs Bangladesh so you need to hope for an upset.
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That too. I will always root for Bangladesh over Australia. They can definitely do it too, i wouldn't even call it an upset. Our loss against Australia was self inflicted, same with WI's loss. If Bangladesh handle the pressure properly, they have the quality to beat Australia.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
So far NZ played all easy matches i dont see NZ beating any decent team eng/aus/india and might pakistan too.
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NZ have all the boxes ticked down.

-Quick scoring openers
-Solid middle order
-Lower order capable of finishing off big
-Every type of fast bowler(express, swing, line and length)
-Economical spin bowling of Santner, and Ish Sodhi as a pretty decent option as well

New Zealand will definitely make the semis. I back them to beat the Aussies and make it quite tough for England
 
Any victories by current top 4 i.e. NZ, Eng, Aus, India makes their position stronger and reduces chances of other making through to top 4.
WI loss yesterday is further dent for Pakistan or WI to make top 4
 
Poms, IND, AUS were always safe bet & Kiwis were there as the top favourites for 4th spot - after 3-4 rounds of games, already those 4 teams have made a gap with chasing pack. Kiwis had an easy fixture to start, hence they are enjoying a head start while SAF had a tougher start, lost an unexpected game and got another game washed out (they would have beaten WIN comfortably that day), hence they are well behind, but I am sure they’ll make up grounds with games against SRL, AFG, PAK, NZ & AUS. Might not make the SF, but I see them winning 3/4, even all 5 games.

PAK will win one game for sure - AFG (confirmed because of that warm up loss - thunder doesn’t strike same spot twice), and I keep PAK favourite for BD game for the sanity of PP. For other 3 game, expectations are😩
 
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MMHS said:
Poms, IND, AUS were always safe bet & Kiwis were there as the top favourites for 4th spot - after 3-4 rounds of games, already those 4 teams have made a gap with chasing pack. Kiwis had an easy fixture to start, hence they are enjoying a head start while SAF had a tougher start, lost an unexpected game and got another game washed out (they would have beaten WIN comfortably that day), hence they are well behind, but I am sure they’ll make up grounds with games against SRL, AFG, PAK, NZ & AUS. Might not make the SF, but I see them winning 3/4, even all 5 games.

PAK will win one game for sure - AFG (confirmed because of that warm up loss - thunder doesn’t strike same spot twice), and I keep PAK favourite for BD game for the sanity of PP. For other 3 game, expectations are��
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SA were already 29/2 and looking like losing more wickets so unlikely to beat WI. Pakistan needs to win 4 of 5 matches to have a chance
 
wasimjunior said:
4 wins from 5 gives us 11 points. If aus have 10 points we will displace them.

Can’t see them beating england but can you really expect them to lose both SA and kiwi match?

Pak chances could well depend on the AUS and SA game
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Australia are pretty average and honestly they can lose to both NZ and SA

With little luck, both WI and Pak would have beaten them and they would have been in similar position as SA
 
MMHS said:
Poms, IND, AUS were always safe bet & Kiwis were there as the top favourites for 4th spot - after 3-4 rounds of games, already those 4 teams have made a gap with chasing pack. Kiwis had an easy fixture to start, hence they are enjoying a head start while SAF had a tougher start, lost an unexpected game and got another game washed out (they would have beaten WIN comfortably that day), hence they are well behind, but I am sure they’ll make up grounds with games against SRL, AFG, PAK, NZ & AUS. Might not make the SF, but I see them winning 3/4, even all 5 games.

PAK will win one game for sure - AFG (confirmed because of that warm up loss - thunder doesn’t strike same spot twice), and I keep PAK favourite for BD game for the sanity of PP. For other 3 game, expectations are��
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Why would South Africa beaten West Indies for definite?
 
Top 3 is going to be England, Australia and India. 4th spot is the spot teams like Bangladesh, Pakistan, SL, even Windies to try getting into. But, for that all these teams that are chasing 4th, those who haven’t played NZ yet, has to beat NZ and hope Ind, Aus and Eng beat NZ too.

.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
SA were already 29/2 and looking like losing more wickets so unlikely to beat WI. Pakistan needs to win 4 of 5 matches to have a chance
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Two useless wickets lost - Kock & Faf were still there and Russie, Miller still awaiting. SAF made India struggle chasing 230 on same track - batting 2nd, I don’t see WIN winning against them. Don’t think 11 points will be enough for PAK for that NRR - that’s if they indeed win 4 out of 5.
 
Hasan123 said:
Why would South Africa beaten West Indies for definite?
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Nothing definite in cricket, but WIN’s record is poor against SAF and they are a poor chaser - don’t see WIN chasing against SAF successfully.
 
Note: There is a possibility that Pakistan could still not qualify to the semis, even after winning the rest of 5 games.
 
Farce of a World Cup.

Rain ruining every other match and then one sided matches as soon as a team touches 300
 
From the table its evident that the teams outside top 4 are fighting a lost cause there is huge gulf in quality and sizeable margin in points then the rest of the pack one out of top 4 atm needs to lose atleast 2-3 games on a trot to give teams below them any chance which seems highly unlikely

Pakistan will lucky to miss out from SF on NRR #facesaving
 
End of SA and AFG match pak will be down to 9th place. It opens up a Phoenix like rising possibility for SA
 
Kianig89 said:
From the table its evident that the teams outside top 4 are fighting a lost cause there is huge gulf in quality and sizeable margin in points then the rest of the pack one out of top 4 atm needs to lose atleast 2-3 games on a trot to give teams below them any chance which seems highly unlikely

Pakistan will lucky to miss out from SF on NRR #facesaving
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Exactly. Unless a miracle happens and Pakistan win all their games and their NRR also gets drastically better
 
MMHS said:
Nothing definite in cricket, but WIN’s record is poor against SAF and they are a poor chaser - don’t see WIN chasing against SAF successfully.
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Ok that's a fair point. I never thought about that.

I wouldn't rule South Africa of the semis as you said. Less pressure could be better for them.
 
SA is not doing any favors to themselves by batting slowly. They have an opportunity to massively increase their NRR
 
Afghanistan would have to win 5/5 from here on to have a shot at the semis.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Afghanistan would have to win 5/5 from here on to have a shot at the semis.
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With so many poor games their NRR is still higher than Pak. Wow!!

If Pak loses tomorrow then SA will have a shot at SF if they can defeat Pak and NZ. Both are possible and they will be setting up a virtual QF with Aus if some other results go their way
 
SAF will lose against Pakistan, Australia but will beat New Zealand and West Indies.

Pakistan vs South Africa will be interesting - battle for fourth spot.

I have a feeling Windies will thrash us like bad :shakib
 
So realistically speaking, SL's form is terrible, they are almost out. SA just got a lifeline today. However, top 4 seems to be on a different level and form. Would be hard for WI,BD,PAK,SA to grab that semi spot. These washouts are terrible. Hope we dont get anymore WC at eng.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
SAF will lose against Pakistan, Australia but will beat New Zealand and West Indies.

Pakistan vs South Africa will be interesting - battle for fourth spot.

I have a feeling Windies will thrash us like bad :shakib
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South Africa vs Pakistan is 50:50. They already played windies.
 
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