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ICC World Cup 2023 Final: Did KL Rahul and Virat Kohli freeze or was the bowling too good?

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Pretty shocking batting tbh. 320 was needed as under lights Ahmedabad is a batting heaven.
 
Too many wickets lost upfront and they needed to consolidate.
Kohli was going a run a ball for most part but Rahul could have tried to rotate the strike more. Later on, as wickets continued to tumble, he had to preserve his wicket.
It wasn’t a great wicket to bat on relatively speaking.
 
Combination of Pitch being slow, bowling being good and Rahul freezing up. Normal play there would have netted 40 extra runs.

I think Indians were not up to the task in this game. I did not see them trying really hard in fielding as Aus did.

Kohli wasn't slow, he was rotating the strike.
 
Said in the match thread. KL did a Yuvi 2014 T20 world cup in Dhaka, Bangladesh.
Seriously people if anyone who defend KL innings must be mad. He sucked the life out of the innings, he put pressure on Kohli who was batting almost run a ball one point, KL’s ultra tentativeness just frozen the innings and it just wasnt going anywhere even great man-like Sunny G got fed up and spoke about how they need to least get 5runs in singles!!!

One boundary in 28overs from a powerful batting team, with two well established international players. Jees! I’ve seen it all now in cricket.
 
Kohli played a good knock — better than what he has done before in finals but still not enough to win. However, it wasn’t a match losing knock.

The biggest scam of this Indian side is SKY and Jaddu the batsman. In all my years of watching cricket, seldom have I seen such scammers who are touted as ATGs but never come good.
 
This will be an unpopular opinion but I blame Rohit Sharma largely for this loss. Even if we ignore his captaincy, he failed to lead from the front with his batting.

He’s in great form, he has the ability to take the game away and he knows that - yet the value he placed on his wicket in a WC final is zilch. I probably put more value on the spare dime I have in my jeans from 2006.

He already had 10 runs in the over and yet went for another hack-like hoick - straight out of Awais Zia’s batting school. And for what? To kill the momentum of the Indian team.

Also, he’s a PATHETIC captain as he fails to lead from the front. He is clearly overshadowed by Kohli who despite everything RS has done, will always be bigger than RS. The only reason why the team made the finals was because this was an amazing Indian ODI side and were playing in their den. This team could’ve been led by the Great Khali and still would’ve made the semis or finals.
 
This will be an unpopular opinion but I blame Rohit Sharma largely for this loss. Even if we ignore his captaincy, he failed to lead from the front with his batting.

He’s in great form, he has the ability to take the game away and he knows that - yet the value he placed on his wicket in a WC final is zilch. I probably put more value on the spare dime I have in my jeans from 2006.

He already had 10 runs in the over and yet went for another hack-like hoick - straight out of Awais Zia’s batting school. And for what? To kill the momentum of the Indian team.

Also, he’s a PATHETIC captain as he fails to lead from the front. He is clearly overshadowed by Kohli who despite everything RS has done, will always be bigger than RS. The only reason why the team made the finals was because this was an amazing Indian ODI side and were playing in their den. This team could’ve been led by the Great Khali and still would’ve made the semis or finals.

Rohit had been batting with the same strategy ie going for quick starts, exploiting the powerplay even if it means him losing his wicket, the likes oh Kohli, Gill, Iyer, KL did not capitalize and wilted under pressure. India should have scored 300 runs on this wicket atleast.
 
Rohit wicket was turning point. Klrahul then just killed the momentum completely. Kohli was fine with his sr. But klrahul just did6rotate the strike an no 4s with so many dots squeezed the innings. And then jadeja was tentative as well and it was a poor knock from sky. One of these 3 should have been proactive like rohit and I f could have reached 280+.. that's where the game was lost
 
Rohit had been batting with the same strategy ie going for quick starts, exploiting the powerplay even if it means him losing his wicket, the likes oh Kohli, Gill, Iyer, KL did not capitalize and wilted under pressure. India should have scored 300 runs on this wicket atleast.
He did provide a great platform despite only scoring in the 40s. Having said that, he could clearly see that Australia is breathing fire and will have the mental advantage over India because of their unearthly mental fortitude in WC finals.

Naturally, Rohit should have played according to the situation and be a bit more dynamic. He is the only batter in the Indian side who looked comfortable. Everyone else was like a deer caught in the headlights.
 
Kohli was Played nicely but Rahul innings was nothing less then embarassing . He had played 107 balls and scored just one boundary which is unbelievable and unacceptable.
 
Rohit wicket was turning point. Klrahul then just killed the momentum completely. Kohli was fine with his sr. But klrahul just did6rotate the strike an no 4s with so many dots squeezed the innings. And then jadeja was tentative as well and it was a poor knock from sky. One of these 3 should have been proactive like rohit and I f could have reached 280+.. that's where the game was lost
KL definitely sucked the momentum and was looking like Asad Shafiq out there. Clearly, he could not handle the pressure of the game.

Having said that, what do you have to say for the scammers that have fooled the Indian public? I am talking about “SKY” and Jadega that batsman? Jadega has played for nearly 2 decades and I can still count on my hand how many game changing innings he has played. Coming in at No. 6, he needed to play a blinder but he just wasted balls to do nothing.

I don’t think I even need to talk about how pathetic SKY is.
 
66 runs off 107 balls.

will go down as the worst half century in the history of cricket.
Yea he has played one of the Worst inning and joined the Misbah who were played two match losing innings against India 2007W20 final and 2011 wc semifinal. Both are match winner but for apposition Team .
 
Bit of both
Their pace trio bowled superbly as they have done for so many years, but they were helped with getting into their rhythm by some timid batting. Yes the pitch was difficult to bat on in the 1st innings but even still.
Kohli didn't do too bad before getting out but Rahul just froze, and when a rip snorter from starc came his way he would have found himself 30-50 runs light of where he should have been.
As for others talking about SKY, there is not much he could have done. The short balls aimed at him were all pinpoint and the plan worked superbly.
 
Yea he has played one of the Worst inning and joined the Misbah who were played two match losing innings against India 2007W20 final and 2011 wc semifinal. Both are match winner but for apposition Team .
Bro, Misbah could be the worst batsman ever, but the thing is, India lost a world cup final at home today in modi stadium after winning every game.

That fact cannot be changed no matter which Pakistani player you bring in this thread :)
 
Bro, Misbah could be the worst batsman ever, but the thing is, India lost a world cup final at home today in modi stadium after winning every game.

That fact cannot be changed no matter which Pakistani player you bring in this thread :)
Yea I agree that we lost the game and Rahul played one of the Worst ever innings. But we were also beat Pakistan at Narendra Modi stadium which is great also as we are arch rival .
 
KL definitely sucked the momentum and was looking like Asad Shafiq out there. Clearly, he could not handle the pressure of the game.

Having said that, what do you have to say for the scammers that have fooled the Indian public? I am talking about “SKY” and Jadega that batsman? Jadega has played for nearly 2 decades and I can still count on my hand how many game changing innings he has played. Coming in at No. 6, he needed to play a blinder but he just wasted balls to do nothing.

I don’t think I even need to talk about how pathetic SKY is.
Jadeja was a huge disappointment- 9 of 22 that's just not on. All they had to do was rotate strike at 5 to 6 rpo till 40th over. They just were blocking and blocking like test match. Bowling was good but nowhere near unplayable. And then sky innings was a brainless one. Single of the 1st ball with the tail exposed. He should have played like Maxwell did against afg. Take as much strike as possible and single of the last ball not the 1st ball. Was surprised he was this brainless and there was no message from the team management either. Maxwell innings was the perfect template for him. And just playing lap shots all the time- could have been more aggressive and seize the momentum. Jadeja white ball career should be done. As I said before you need "intent" . Iyer was the only one who could do it but unfortunately he got a Corker of a delivery..
 
Rahul did freeze and it was a cowardly innings but you'd have to say the bowling plans and execution, led by Pat Cummins was outstanding. The abrasive wicket and a bit of reverse certainly helped too, which is something that wasn't available to the Indian bowlers.
 
Rahul is the least impactful cricketer I have ever watched from India in recent times. Pant has to replace him once he comes back fully recovered.

What an awful innings from him, no intent at all. He was fully exposed today once Iyer got out, batted like a headless chicken. Millers hit 8 fours and 5 sixes in the semi final in a more difficult situation
 
Australia were one wicket away from capitulating.

At the end of the day Rahuls innings will be judged as a bad one because of the result but at the half time and after 5 overs of India bowling we all thought the score was ok.
 
Even if India lost few wickets, their run rate was pretty healthy. However, KL Rahul sucked the momentum out of the game. Also, Aus was top of their game today and saved like 40 runs on the field especially the catch of Travis Head. For today's game I would've taken my chances with Shikar Dhawan and Shardul Takur.
 
Kohli did what he does best which is choke. Rahul always goes missing when pressure is on.
Kohli didn't choke. India choked. The dude has scored almost 800 runs in 11 games. You can't expect him to score a ton in every match else he would have 200 ODI tons by now. It was a very well paced inning by Kohli but he got out at a very crucial time. Exactly how Babar got out in this WC in almost every game. Sure he was feeling the pressure of a final and anyone will feel that.

You can call India chokers or that they choked in this WC too but Kohli is a legend. Don't disrespect him.
 
Kohli didn't choke. India choked. The dude has scored almost 800 runs in 11 games. You can't expect him to score a ton in every match else he would have 200 ODI tons by now. It was a very well paced inning by Kohli but he got out at a very crucial time. Exactly how Babar got out in this WC in almost every game. Sure he was feeling the pressure of a final and anyone will feel that.

You can call India chokers or that they choked in this WC too but Kohli is a legend. Don't disrespect him.
That's exactly the point. He got out at the worst possible time to a nothing delivery too when he could have gone on to score a 100 and put all the choking to bed. He might be a legend but I will call what I see. He played selfish throughout the world cup, evident by the fact he had one of the lowest sr among the top 10 if not the worst.
 
That's exactly the point. He got out at the worst possible time to a nothing delivery too when he could have gone on to score a 100 and put all the choking to bed. He might be a legend but I will call what I see. He played selfish throughout the world cup, evident by the fact he had one of the lowest sr among the top 10 if not the worst.
He is a tad bit selfish for his personal milestones but so is every great player. Tendu was the same.
 
No! Kohli was the senior partner and decided to be selfish and play for a milestone yet again instead of looking to accelerate while KL was settling. Only today they paid the price. How can the guy who has just come in be the aggressor? It makes zero sense

I saw this coming but some Indian dudes defended their "idol" instead of calling him out on it. It's always dangerous to worship individuals ahead of the team. The needs of the team should always come before personal accolades.

This defeat is on Kohli for me. How he accumulated runs throughout the tournament was detrimental for his team. How many balls did SKY face throughout the tournament? Can't be many
 
Head took a stunning catch and KL Rahul and Jadeja's tuk tuk batting cost India - plus brainless sky batting cost India the game today.
 
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Kohli did what he does best which is choke. Rahul always goes missing when pressure is on.
He didn't choke. He did much worse, he played for himself throughout the tournament. Lesser cricketers had to bat at a higher strike rate than him having just entered the crease. Ridiculous really
 
He didn't choke. He did much worse, he played for himself throughout the tournament. Lesser cricketers had to bat at a higher strike rate than him having just entered the crease. Ridiculous really
he did fine scoring 54 off 63. KL Rahul scored 66 off 107. Imagine KL Rahul scoring at kohli's strike rate, which is 90-95. Ind would have added additional 40 runs and the score could have been 280-290.
 
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he did fine scoring 54 off 63. KL Rahul scored 66 off 107. Imagine KL Rahul scoring at kohl's strike rate, which is 90-95. Ind would have added additional 40 runs and the score could have been 280-290.
He did not. He slowed down and the team went into a phase where a boundary wasn't scored for over 10 overs before KL hit one. Rohit should feel let down
 
KL Rahul is a great player and it is absurd to pin the blame on him. He is always the easy target.

He gets into every ODI team in the world.
Cope and seethe.

Rahul and Kohli combined to make the task so very easy for Australia. Two boundaries for 30 overs with Kohli not even managing one after Rohit stopped carrying him.

They couldn't hit Australia's part-timers off their lines and lengths, such was the crapping of pants that took place in front of 100,000 supporters.
 
Australia were one wicket away from capitulating.

At the end of the day Rahuls innings will be judged as a bad one because of the result but at the half time and after 5 overs of India bowling we all thought the score was ok.
No, the score wasn't ok. We were at least 40-50 runs short.
 
Yea I agree that we lost the game and Rahul played one of the Worst ever innings. But we were also beat Pakistan at Narendra Modi stadium which is great also as we are arch rival .
you went 8-0 from 7-0 in odi CWC..there was nothing new..India was much better team than Pakistan so if there is any sense of achievement in beating Pakistan during league game..you can sleep on it..even Afghanistan was able to defeat this lot of Pakistan players...India was supposed to win this tournament. it was India,s tournament to lose. and yet India choked and this choke was biggest one in last 10 years of knock outs India played. India has fully embraced the chokers tag after this game and now they rival South africa and New zealand in this regard.
 
While watching the game, I never felt like Kohli was playing too slowly or freezing up. He was simply playing based on the conditions and looking to set a base. It made sense to play like that from his end until they got deeper into the game after losing the early wickets.

Rahul messed things up big time though. A truly terrible performance.

He came to a complete halt and ruined their innings.
 
Fewest boundaries between 11th and 50th over in an ODI since 2011.

Shocking.
This really tell the whole story. We have heard so much about them being dynamic batsmen, never allowing the pressure to build, always keeping the runs going, but they completely went into their shell and played Test innings when they needed a counter punch.

The bowling was good, but no way was the bowling good enough to ever justify this kind of batting. They were not even attempting boundaries, they were busy stat padding and playing for personal milestones.
 
This really tell the whole story. We have heard so much about them being dynamic batsmen, never allowing the pressure to build, always keeping the runs going, but they completely went into their shell and played Test innings when they needed a counter punch.

The bowling was good, but no way was the bowling good enough to ever justify this kind of batting. They were not even attempting boundaries, they were busy stat padding and playing for personal milestones.

If I were Indian I'd struggle to get over this loss until we'd win a WC. Golden opportunity choked away by Kohli, Rahul and Iyer.
 
If I were Indian I'd struggle to get over this loss until we'd win a WC. Golden opportunity choked away by Kohli, Rahul and Iyer.
I feel so bad for Rohit Sharma. He could’ve had the kind of World Cup that would have made him Man of the Tournament. But he chose to play completely for the team and get them off to incredible starts - only to be let down by his teammates when it mattered most.
 
I don't really blame either. Kohli played perfectly fine. On those conditions, his near 90 strike rate kept the runs going. Yes, KL should have rotated the strike more, but I'd blame the other batters more than anything. From Gill to Iyer to SKY to Jadeja. These people can play quick and keep the RR flowing. KL wanted to just stay there and get India to some sort of score before being bowled out because the tail starts at no 8. The others didn't deliver. People need to start appreciating those who actually made some runs than the ones who didn't make any at all. Marnus played similarly to KL as they both saved their wicket at one end. But KL didn't have a Head to go alongside him
 
I feel so bad for Rohit Sharma. He could’ve had the kind of World Cup that would have made him Man of the Tournament. But he chose to play completely for the team and get them off to incredible starts - only to be let down by his teammates when it mattered most.

Rohit is pure class. Seems a very decent man aswell. Just a shame the rest of the batsmen lacked his courage.
 
KL Rahul is a great player and it is absurd to pin the blame on him. He is always the easy target.

He gets into every ODI team in the world.
As I said in the latest post ^, people will blame KL who actually made some runs and not the other batters who failed to make any sort of runs. It's hugely to do with KL that India made any score at all. His getting out would have triggered an earlier collapse.
 
Rohit is pure class. Seems a very decent man aswell. Just a shame the rest of the batsmen lacked his courage.
A lot of decent guys in the team. Main reason I dislike them is Kohlis antics. Dude is not likeable at all and if players weren't worried about their IPL contracts or abuse they'd receive it would be more public. Nobody likes this clown.
 
Hypocrisy. Babar would have been crucified if he scored a soft impactless 50 and then got out.

Kohli needed to take the game on and accelerate especially knowing full well that Rohit, Iyer and Gill failed today and that Surya, Jadeja could not be relied on. He was unnecessarily timid and posed no threat to Australia.

He definitely choked today. Had this not been a final and a regular game, he would have batted with a different approach
 
Hypocrisy. Babar would have been crucified if he scored a soft impactless 50 and then got out.

Kohli needed to take the game on and accelerate especially knowing full well that Rohit, Iyer and Gill failed today and that Surya, Jadeja could not be relied on. He was unnecessarily timid and posed no threat to Australia.

He definitely choked today. Had this not been a final and a regular game, he would have batted with a different approach
Couldn't have said it any better myself. There is no 2 ways about it he choked when his team needed him. If this a bilateral game he would have gotten a 120 off 100 odd balls which would have been enough for India to win.
 
A lot of decent guys in the team. Main reason I dislike them is Kohlis antics. Dude is not likeable at all and if players weren't worried about their IPL contracts or abuse they'd receive it would be more public. Nobody likes this clown.
Tim Paine put it best: “I know he’s your captain but you can’t seriously like him as a bloke.”
 
Tim Paine put it best: “I know he’s your captain but you can’t seriously like him as a bloke.”
No one likes him, he lacks class and tries to act tough knowing no one will say anything to him because of his fans and IPL contract. He's a real clown in the field and any one else would be called out for it. Regularly trying to instigate or get under players skins with his over the top and provacative celebrations.
 
No one likes him, he lacks class and tries to act tough knowing no one will say anything to him because of his fans and IPL contract. He's a real clown in the field and any one else would be called out for it. Regularly trying to instigate or get under players skins with his over the top and provacative celebrations.
Exactly, he acts what a weak person thinks a “tough guy” should act like. We’ve all met these kind of people before, lots to say when they’re up but then resort to tears when they’re down or it’s given back to them.
 
I feel so bad for Rohit Sharma. He could’ve had the kind of World Cup that would have made him Man of the Tournament. But he chose to play completely for the team and get them off to incredible starts - only to be let down by his teammates when it mattered most.
Rohit doesn't deserve any disrespect. He won me over in 2019 and carried that into this WC. Selfless leader. He was the player of the tournament for me (Shami a close 2nd)
 
Indian sports anchors, ex players are in denial ie this was a poor pitch for a WC final, India lost a crucial toss blah blah
 
KL Rahul is a great player and it is absurd to pin the blame on him. He is always the easy target.

He gets into every ODI team in the world.
Spot on the guys a beast of a player and wicket was extremely tough to bat on. I agree Rahul gets into every ODI team in the world. Anyone can have an off day.

Some delusional fans expect Indian batsmen to average 100 and score centuries every game. Wake up guys
 
Spot on the guys a beast of a player and wicket was extremely tough to bat on. I agree Rahul gets into every ODI team in the world. Anyone can have an off day.

Some delusional fans expect Indian batsmen to average 100 and score centuries every game. Wake up guys

To choke in a WC final in that manner is unforgivable tho. Pakistani fans have still not forgiven Misbah for his 2011 Mohali knock.
 
Rohit sharma cost india that game. 30 more runs would have been enough bit he didnt read the pitch well and tried to keep playing too shots after that great start.
Kohli and kl played well
 
Rohit doesn't deserve any disrespect. He won me over in 2019 and carried that into this WC. Selfless leader. He was the player of the tournament for me (Shami a close 2nd)


Nah Rohit cost india the world cup. After the start he got- he gave away his wicket too easily. Experienced players like him need to stand up and assess the pitch instead of just slogging
 
Rahul had an awful game. Sub standard innings coupled with at least 10-15 in byes. Atrocious is the word.

Single handedly cost India the WC

And let's just stop with admiration of fake *Rohit* bravado. You got to respect the occasion, opposition and keep yourself sane. Going for a slight after a 4 and a six is not fearless it's afridi-isque.
 
A lot of decent guys in the team. Main reason I dislike them is Kohlis antics. Dude is not likeable at all and if players weren't worried about their IPL contracts or abuse they'd receive it would be more public. Nobody likes this clown.
They even won 2021 when he letlf. Iirc they lost the one test when he played. Probably better off without a parasite like him tbh
 
As I said in the latest post ^, people will blame KL who actually made some runs and not the other batters who failed to make any sort of runs. It's hugely to do with KL that India made any score at all. His getting out would have triggered an earlier collapse.
Look at Travis Head. They were 40/3 as well. Did he not attack?
Granted dew factor was there but intent should never be compromised.
 
Look at Travis Head. They were 40/3 as well. Did he not attack?
Granted dew factor was there but intent should never be compromised.

Head actually batted responsibly and reigned himself in. He knew after the loss of Warner, Marsh, Smith that he was the only threat left and he had to see off Bhumrah, Shami. He only put away their really bad deliveries. Excellent adaptation and game awareness from him.
 
Cope and seethe.

Rahul and Kohli combined to make the task so very easy for Australia. Two boundaries for 30 overs with Kohli not even managing one after Rohit stopped carrying him.

They couldn't hit Australia's part-timers off their lines and lengths, such was the crapping of pants that took place in front of 100,000 supporters.
Classic Indian choke. 4 boundaries in last 40 overs 😯
 
Harsh

The ball was not coming on at all . India played well . Didn’t choke. The pitch was gonna choke anybody who bats first .
Hmmmmm true But no one mentioned this when Rohit won the toss and bowled against Pak at the same venue. Final went so similar to that game.

one more thing Rohit did say at he toss he wanted to bat in final so he got what he wanted
 
I believe Iyer's early dismissal is what really knocked the wind out of India's sails. As well as Rohit was playing he had got out in the 40's many times in the tournament and Iyer and Kohli took over from there but this time Iyer couldn't get into his work. If Iyer had stayed he would have completed neutralized Zampa and Maxwell and scored at a brisk rate.
With Iyer gone I knew any chances India had of posting 300+ was smoke as spin would completely choke Kohli and KL and that is what happend.
Yes KL played a terrible innings but looking at the batting to come he pretty much din't have any choice.
At 81-3 India was just playing to be in the game. Pretty sure their first thought was to not collapse to a 150 all out which would have buried the game then and there.
 
Cope and seethe.

Rahul and Kohli combined to make the task so very easy for Australia. Two boundaries for 30 overs with Kohli not even managing one after Rohit stopped carrying him.

They couldn't hit Australia's part-timers off their lines and lengths, such was the crapping of pants that took place in front of 100,000 supporters.
Great to see you find your voice and confidence after you disappeared from the forum like Indian boundaries in the middle-overs.
 
Mamoon was total ghost when India were winning the matches looks like he found his energy and time as soon as they lost it. That lost hurts mamoon more than any other person here let's pray for him so he recovers quickly 🤣
 
Rahul played the worst innings in the history of the wc. Completely sucked the life out of the batting. Wouldn't really blame kohli, he played decently.
Rahul was the let down, had an absolutely terrible performance
 
KL Rahul is a great player and it is absurd to pin the blame on him. He is always the easy target.

He gets into every ODI team in the world.

Give me one example of an innings of his ODI career that has been impactful enough with DECENT SR. He does well in low chase games.

India have an incredible batting talent depth, he should be kicked out soon by Pant and won't be missed.
 
I can only hope that this was Rahul's last ever game in India colors so that he forever lives under the shadow of being solely (almost) responsible for our WC loss.

Rahul should not be given a chance to redeem himself.
 
Give me one example of an innings of his ODI career that has been impactful enough with DECENT SR. He does well in low chase games.

India have an incredible batting talent depth, he should be kicked out soon by Pant and won't be missed.
Him and Iyer were feasting on slow pitches until the big game arrived and they looked rabbit caught in headlights
 
Him and Iyer were feasting on slow pitches until the big game arrived and they looked rabbit caught in headlights
Even yesterday was a low and slow pitch. Just that they're not good enough for a game of that magnitude.
 
Cope and seethe.

Rahul and Kohli combined to make the task so very easy for Australia. Two boundaries for 30 overs with Kohli not even managing one after Rohit stopped carrying him.

They couldn't hit Australia's part-timers off their lines and lengths, such was the crapping of pants that took place in front of 100,000 supporters.
Oh you are back
You are some loser.

Kohli has already settled the debate of the best batsman in Odis by destroying Babar statpadder and scoring a century in semis which is a distant dream for your statpadder

55(63) on this pitch was a good innings, lol at pinning this on Kohli just to get some relief on your Babar vs Kohli statement.
 
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