ICC World Cup 2023: India (201/4) comfortably defeat Australia (199) by 6 wickets

[MenInG]

200 is the target.

Simple or will it be one of those tricky ones?

India with a great chance to kick-off their World Cup campaign with a huge statement.




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[WengerOut]

First PP will decide which direction the match gonna go

 

[jnaveen1980]

Starc, Josh, Cummins will be tough upfront. NO two ways about that. In the recent tour he swung it well.

 

[Ab Fan]

It will be tricky. But think India should win this unless they play below their standards.

 

[Hitman]

Australia will give their 101% tonight. Mark my words!

 

[jnaveen1980]

It will be tricky. But think India should win this unless they play below their standards.

I still don't know what to expect from seamers here .I know what to expect from Zampa. He can wreak havoc.

 

[7sins]

So during the world cup India will be getting helpful wickets and all others teams will be getting roads and highways

 

[Swashbuckler]

India 70-30 favorites I think. Can afford to do all the tuk tuk they want today.

 

[WengerOut]

It will be tricky. But think India should win this unless they play below their standards.

Which they are perfectly capable of, in spinning conditions.

 

[kron]

@MMHS
Product of their time really. Hard to truly make a comparison. We can both filter stats and manipulate data to prove that a specific era was or is superior. I blame ipl and t20 for the poor technique on display vs spin.
However power hitting and ability vs pace has vastly improved in recent times.

More bowling attacks with an all round potent bowling attack. Like even the third and sometimes 4th options in a starting 11 are very good bowlers.

I do agree spin was superior back in the days but it's hard to judge due to lack of drs. It obviously works both ways but 90s era being rigged by fixing etc, I find it hard to label that era of bowlers as superior in terms of pace bowling or bowling in general.

 

[kron]

India 70-30 favorites I think. Can afford to do all the tuk tuk they want today.

If agar played I would say its very much 50 50.

 

[DJhant]

India is an average chaser nowadays, with virtually tail end beginning from the 6th wicket. If the ball spins, our batters would dance, if swings, we are done for!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Zampa is the deciding factor. India has a long tail. So Australia doesn't have to worry about taking all the wickets.

 

[Marooned]

Absolutely unfathomable how Khwaja Usman isn't a part of the side when the WC is in such spinning conditions. He would improve this brittle Aussie batting significantly.

 

[MMHS]

…. Just to carry on the discussion- I watched almost entire Aussie innings.

Honestly, I haven’t seen a single shot, even defensive shot … where batsmen used any sort of foot work - never seen them tying to “lunge forward” and meet the turning ball on pitching - all I saw is sweep & going back to good length balls to be cramped. And, absolutely no use of wrist ….

Is this batting technique?

 

[WengerOut]

Zampa, Sodhi, Santner, Moeen and Adil Rashid always have been problematic for the Indians.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Absolutely unfathomable how Khwaja Usman isn't a part of the side when the WC is in such spinning conditions. He would improve this brittle Aussie batting significantly.

At Ahmedabad, Bengaluru, Wankhede you don't need him. You just need big hitters.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

India need to chase this tactically rather go with bashing. Kohli will be key

 

[jnaveen1980]

If India loses 6 wickets before 150 game on. Infact i would give 90% to Australia.

 

[WengerOut]

Aus could start with Maxwell if Ishan opens.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Absolutely unfathomable how Khwaja Usman isn't a part of the side when the WC is in such spinning conditions. He would improve this brittle Aussie batting significantly.

They are definitely not going to miss his snail paced LOI batting.

 

[kingusama92]

Should be an easy chase. I don't think India will mess this up.

 

[Devadwal]

This is not going to be easy chase .

 

[Marooned]

At Ahmedabad, Bengaluru, Wankhede you don't need him. You just need big hitters.

He is good enough for any conditions really. No brainer pick imo. You don't need 2 fast bowlings ARs. Drop green get in Khwaja.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

They are definitely not going to miss his snail paced LOI batting.

He is good at strike rotation btw

 

[jnaveen1980]

Should be an easy chase. I don't think India will mess this up.

In Chennai you can back yourself to defend literally any total. Batting is even harder in the 2nd dig.

 

[MMHS]

@MMHS
Product of their time really. Hard to truly make a comparison. We can both filter stats and manipulate data to prove that a specific era was or is superior. I blame ipl and t20 for the poor technique on display vs spin.
However power hitting and ability vs pace has vastly improved in recent times.

More bowling attacks with an all round potent bowling attack. Like even the third and sometimes 4th options in a starting 11 are very good bowlers.

I do agree spin was superior back in the days but it's hard to judge due to lack of drs. It obviously works both ways but 90s era being rigged by fixing etc, I find it hard to label that era of bowlers as superior in terms of pace bowling or bowling in general.

The best example I give to sum up “modern” batting is Indian batting against spinners ….. and I am telling this after watching almost every ball of Mongia’s 150+ against Australia, batting in second innings against Warne … on a rank turner of even old FSK (Delhi) standard.

 

[Marooned]

They are definitely not going to miss his snail paced LOI batting.

He is their best spin player by some margin.

 

[kron]

The best example I give to sum up “modern” batting is Indian batting against spinners ….. and I am telling this after watching almost every ball of Mongia’s 150+ against Australia, batting in second innings against Warne … on a rank turner of even old FSK (Delhi) standard.

Good point. Warne Murali would have wreaked havoc right now. But it has to be on a specific turning type pitch. On a patta with current rules etc might be a different story.

 

[WengerOut]

The best example I give to sum up “modern” batting is Indian batting against spinners ….. and I am telling this after watching almost every ball of Mongia’s 150+ against Australia, batting in second innings against Warne … on a rank turner of even old FSK (Delhi) standard.

I agree with you completely but was there Warne in that test match? There was Hogg IIRC. I could be wrong though

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He is good at strike rotation btw

He batted like a snail the last time he even scored a 50. Against NZ in the last World Cup and nearly cost them the match of it wasn't for Carey and Starc having a great match.

He wont make it as a top order batter into this side ahead of Marsh/Smith/Head/Warner.

They all have much more upside on flat itches.

Also he last played 4 years ago.

 

[MenInG]

Guys

Please stay on topic

This is an India v Australia World Cup game thread

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He is their best spin player by some margin.

In Tests , yes. Even if he survives spin, he wont score quickly enough.

 

[MMHS]

Tactics today - I don’t think Aussies are going to defend it over 50 overs - they have to bowl India out.

Take out 5th bowler - 4 specialist bowlers bowling 4 overs with Test match fielding. Don’t think Aussies need to bother much for NRR to make the first cut.

 

[kron]

Absolutely unfathomable how Khwaja Usman isn't a part of the side when the WC is in such spinning conditions. He would improve this brittle Aussie batting significantly.

Last time I recall, khawaja helped Aussies win an odi series in India.

They did win again not too long ago. 2-1 before losing the latest series.

 

[Swashbuckler]

…. Just to carry on the discussion- I watched almost entire Aussie innings.

Honestly, I haven’t seen a single shot, even defensive shot … where batsmen used any sort of foot work - never seen them tying to “lunge forward” and meet the turning ball on pitching - all I saw is sweep & going back to good length balls to be cramped. And, absolutely no use of wrist ….

Is this batting technique?

I thought Smith and Warner used footwork against the spinners, especially Smith who also used his wrists to good effect.

 

[Marooned]

He batted like a snail the last time he even scored a 50. Against NZ in the last World Cup and nearly cost them the match of it wasn't for Carey and Starc having a great match.

He wont make it as a top order batter into this side ahead of Marsh/Smith/Head/Warner.

They all have much more upside on flat itches.

Also he last played 4 years ago.

He is a much better player now compared to 19.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He is a much better player now compared to 19.

No evidence of it in ODIs.

 

[MP2011]

Lol, Kishan gone

 

[SpiritOf1903]

GONE!


BANG BANG PLS!

Game on

 

[kron]

Been a very interesting game tbh. 250 to 270 pitches are so much more entertaining.

 

[MMHS]

I thought Smith and Warner used footwork against the spinners, especially Smith who also used his wrists to good effect.

True - that’s the modern standard of footwork & wrist play. Unfortunately I grew up watching some Azharuddin …

 

[Ahmed216]

Ishan kishan was never going to do anything against likes of starc Cummins Hazlewood

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ishan Kishan c Green b Starc 0 (1b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0

India 2/1 (0.4/50 ov)

 

[7sins]

Wow ishan gone pressure on

 

[kron]

Aussies will never give uo easy. India has a long tail.

 

[kingusama92]

This will put a good amount of pressure on India now

 

[7sins]

50 wickets for starc in WC what a legend

 

[MP2011]

Ishan kishan was never going to do anything against likes of starc Cummins Hazlewood

Yeah, people were unnecessarily hyping him to bash spinners when it was clear that he won't survive Aussie pace battery

 

[7sins]

India 2 main batsmen out there now

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ishan Kishan departs for a golden duck on World Cup debut.

 

[Swashbuckler]

New ball swings under lights in Chennai, what was Kishan thinking?

 

[DandyFellow]

With Kishan gone, advantage Zampa. All batsmen are right handers till Pandya. Jadeja might be required to pinch hit at some point today.

 

[mominsaigol]

@IAJ Okay I'm sorry . You were right .

 

[7sins]

Yeah, people were unnecessarily hoping him to bash spinners when it was clear that he won't survive Aussie pace battery

I actually think middle order role really suited his game more. Gill got sick so he had to open

 

[Srinath_cricket]

Ishan gets out to a wide rash delivery. Hopefully gill is back soon.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Junaid & Amir...


Two LFM and Indians would crumble

Hit that fourth stump and india will be looking for carp!!


MAUKAAAA

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Kishan gone. Oh no. We don't have enough batsmen now. Because we played 6 bowlers and still let them get to 200 from 140/7.

 

[MP2011]

New ball swings under lights in Chennai, what was Kishan thinking?

He is incapable of thinking

 

[Asad T]

Not the best start for India, but that only bring Kohli in

 

[kron]

New ball swings under lights in Chennai, what was Kishan thinking?

Brother starc is a quality odi bowler. Sometimes when a bowler is on fire, not much a batsman can do

 

[SpiritOf1903]

GONE?!

 

[7sins]

Brother starc is a quality odi bowler. Sometimes when a bowler is on fire, not much a batsman can do

Starc is a WC legend with 50 wickets and counting

 

[Hitman]

Australia will give their 101% tonight. Mark my words!

Rohit gone! What did I say!

 

[MP2011]

Rohit gone for duck

 

[Swashbuckler]

True - that’s the modern standard of footwork & wrist play. Unfortunately I grew up watching some Azharuddin …

We always romanticize the past. In games like chess it is very easy to break myths because of engine evaluations, like how Magnus Carlsen is doing right now. In cricket, opinions and arguments are more qualitative than quantitative, but in my opinion Smith is as good a batsman against spin as any of the 80s or 90s titans. He has his weird funky methods but what he did in the 2017 tour to India should rank as one of the greatest batting performances against spin on challenging surfaces.

 

[Ahmed216]

@IAJ Okay I'm sorry . You were right .

U'll learn ur lessons. Stay here

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Only 3dge saving him

 

[jattafridi]

Come on Australia take atleast 6 wickets

 

[SpiritOf1903]

NO BAT.


Surely.


GONNNNEEEEE!!!

MAUKAAAA!!!!

 

[7sins]

Wow Australia game to lose now

 

[Mas-LFC]

Thought of it being another one sided game but aussies hitting back with the ball! Game on hai..

 

[NeVerMind]

India 2 for 2!

 

[jattafridi]

Yes Rohit out

 

[MP2011]

That's why I was so fearful of our batting. It's simply pathetic

 

[kingusama92]

Oh wow

India in all sorts of trouble now

 

[MenInG]

What are India doing!!??

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Line & Length! All you need

1.9m angle, good luck!

 

[Technics 1210]

Now it gets exciting!

2/2

 

[Swashbuckler]

What are India doing!!??

Chennai isn't like other venues this world cup. Expect many low scoring thrillers here.