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ICC World Cup 2023: South Africa (357/4) seals dominant victory over New Zealand (167) by 190 runs

Mamoon said:
He is mediocre and doesn’t deserve to be in the XI on pure cricketing merit. He has over a 100 international innings and you can count his good performances on one hand.
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He’s far ahead of Reeza Hendricks who was the alternative. I don’t know enough about the South African domestic cricket scene to say wether or not there’s a better opening alternative there right now.
 
160KPH said:
He’s far ahead of Reeza Hendricks who was the alternative. I don’t know enough about the South African domestic cricket scene to say wether or not there’s a better opening alternative there right now.
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I think Janneman Malan is better than both, but lost form at wrong time; otherwise would have made the squad over Reeza.
 
It's like Freaky Friday with Bavuma playing like de Kock and de Kock playing like Bavuma!
 
MMHS said:
I think Janneman Malan is better than both, but lost form at wrong time; otherwise would have made the squad over Reeza.
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Yes another classy openers which has lost form . Janeman malan is all formats player.
 
MMHS said:
I think Janneman Malan is better than both, but lost form at wrong time; otherwise would have made the squad over Reeza.
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Do you know why Brevis was not selected into the squad? I’m not aware of what position he bats in but he seems like another one of these next generation players like Klaasen or Glenn Phillips - seems he would’ve taken the squad even one more step up in terms of explosiveness.
 
Don’t think kiwis have ever lost to SAF in WC - they have a very good plan against their seem based attack and match SAF in the fielding; mentally much tougher. Like today - I believe apart from India, every other team would have batted first here, but Kiwis have decided what is logical at Pune under lights, not fearing SAF’s hitting power batting first.
 
Finally freeing up with the batting. I must say, Boult/Southee/Henry strike me as a wonderful tournament pace attack considering they seem to all elevate their game in important moments.
 
160KPH said:
Do you know why Brevis was not selected into the squad? I’m not aware of what position he bats in but he seems like another one of these next generation players like Klaasen or Glenn Phillips - seems he would’ve taken the squad even one more step up in terms of explosiveness.
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They have two explosive players - Brevis & Tristan Stubbs (?). Both will play next home WC.
 
Come on the Proteas!

It’s like normality is back. Watching a team BAT first, normal proper ODI cricket. Can watch and enjoy a game without any heartache, PHEW!
 
Proteas don’t let me down today. Got a bet at work with a guy who is supporting NZ.
 
Bavuma has been fabulous for last 18 months. Played some outstanding knocks. Strange that people think he's the weak link
 
Kiwis didn’t give new ball to Southee on reputation- that tells two things .. 1. Not much swing there or they are not planning to pitch it up on that track to swing
2. They have a game plan by position like soccer teams - whoever replaces starting XI, replaces the role. Had he came for Henry, I believe he would have taken new ball
 
Mamoon said:
He is mediocre and doesn’t deserve to be in the XI on pure cricketing merit. He has over a 100 international innings and you can count his good performances on one hand.
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You have a habit of making unfounded claims. He has improved see his record in last 18 months
 
Ahmed216 said:
Bavuma has been fabulous for last 18 months. Played some outstanding knocks. Strange that people think he's the weak link
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He would right into the Pakistan team and make hay against B and C attacks.
 
Ahmed216 said:
He's gone doesn't mean he's poor. He may be struggling in this WC
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I repeat - he is a bog average player and I am comfortable making this assessment after watching him pad up over 120 times for South Africa.

He would barely make it to the 15 man squad if it wasn’t for his….
 
Mamoon said:
There is a lot of Herschelle Gibbs in Janneman Malan. It will be a shame if he fades away.
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Malan has had a way worse record in the last couple of years than Bavuma has had though. In your original post you mentioned Bamuvs having a handful of memorable knocks but Malan hasn’t had one since January of 2022.
 
Surprisingly Temba has very poor record against Kiwis & us - at that continues here also. Made a fabulous hundred against Aussies recently but I think he doesn’t make SAF ODI XI on merit, probably this is his last series/tournament.
 
Ball is sticking in the surface at the moment. It turns in to a batting beauty under lights at Pune
 
After 11 overs, South Africa is 47/1. Slow start and also lost 1 wicket. Not a good start for proteas.
 
Mas-LFC said:
Bavuma is just a passenger really. Quota system killing SA
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If anything that kept SAF a powerhouse in sports (not only cricket), is their quota system, rather I say a systematic integration of 90%+ population, who actually own the land and care for the flag.

Why - I have explained many times, you’ll have to search for old posts. And my proof - the same excuses were given 29 years back … since then they have won three more Rugby WCs - the 1995 team had one black player out of 30; this team has 4-5 white players in 30. They have soccer players, sprinters, swimmers, ever golfers & tennis players from black/coloured community now and, despite PPs concerns about SAF cricket heading to ZIM route, they are my favourites to make final this time & win it next time under a black captain (Rabada next time).
 
Mamoon said:
I repeat - he is a bog average player and I am comfortable making this assessment after watching him pad up over 120 times for South Africa.

He would barely make it to the 15 man squad if it wasn’t for his….
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The guy was South Africa's t20 captain when he wasn't even picked up by a single franchise in SA20 lol

I hated AB after he announced his retirement just a year before the WC (I consider him the greatest ever cricketer) But what I read afterwards made sense as to why AB retired. He wanted to pick Kyle Abbott over Philander in the 2015 semi-final but was forced to play Philander.

He Didn't want to be part of such a culture in a World Cup ever again that is why retired a year before that.

Now Bavuma is keeping Malan out
 
Don’t know how, but Kiwis have kept Kock under 60 SR in PP1, that’s an astonishing achievement- if they get Kock out in next few overs, game almost won.
 
I don't know what sane person would rate temba buvama he's the imam ul haq of South Africa
 
Bavuma is a great captain.

Quota system dint hurt SA at all. Infact ir benefited them as MMHS said. Black players are way more athletic than the Dutch origin saffers. For bowlers you would do well to find talented black origin players. I don't want to get into the eugenics theory but black players generally are more athletic than people from other nations due to their upbringing and how early many of them get involved in physical activities as physical development through platforms like gym and other forms of training is ingrained in their culture.
 
Mamoon said:
C’mon New Zealand - South Africa is one trick pony and if they can restrict them to ~300, there is no way they will lose.

Go Black Caps.
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You say your a pakiatani fan by virtue of being a pakistani but then say I hope NZ wins so Pakistan is out 😶‍🌫️.

Bhai atleast quit the drama, just say you don't support and be done with it.

That's what I do 😂😂.
 
160KPH said:
He’s far ahead of Reeza Hendricks who was the alternative. I don’t know enough about the South African domestic cricket scene to say wether or not there’s a better opening alternative there right now.
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Naw bavuma is a thorn in the side, same way root and Smith are thorns currently
 
saqib.rai said:
The guy was South Africa's t20 captain when he wasn't even picked up by a single franchise in SA20 lol

I hated AB after he announced his retirement just a year before the WC (I consider him the greatest ever cricketer) But what I read afterwards made sense as to why AB retired. He wanted to pick Kyle Abbott over Philander in the 2015 semi-final but was forced to play Philander.

He Didn't want to be part of such a culture in a World Cup ever again that is why retired a year before that.

Now Bavuma is keeping Malan out
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Ngl bavuma is a solid captain.

He's a trash player though
 
kron said:
Bavuma is a great captain.

Quota system dint hurt SA at all. Infact ir benefited them as MMHS said. Black players are way more athletic than the Dutch origin saffers. For bowlers you would do well to find talented black origin players. I don't want to get into the eugenics theory but black players generally are more athletic than people from other nations due to their upbringing and how early many of them get involved in physical activities as physical development through platforms like gym and other forms of training is ingrained in their culture.
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But black South Africans don’t have any clue about batting…
 
soso_killer said:
A player with an average of 29, striking at 80 is better than the guy with a career average of 50, striking at 90?
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Rohit was averaging 20-30 for 4-5 year at start of the career ,now looks where is he stand. For me reeza is quality batter than Bavuma.
 
Mamoon said:
But black South Africans don’t have any clue about batting…
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You learn over generation, let them learn. It is their country and they can do whatever they want. Quit whining about every Damm thing.
 
160KPH said:
I’m not sure what this means
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It's uhhhh, you're too young to understand 👺.

Regardless hendricks has literally fashioned himself as a destructive t20 opener for South Africa, and in the game he was given a chance in, he showed what he could do.

He compliments quinton better them bavuma who genuinely kills the innings, although today quinton was slow which is usually not the case.
 
Thank you indian for giving VDD a 6er.

I dont like kiwis. I prefer Saffers but kiwis will win this I feel.
 
Middle overs is where NZ bowl extremely well with the efficient use of part timers and stuff.

I hope SA batsmen have done their homework against them.

Need this partnership to continue at run a ball if not more for the next 10 overs.

50 up for QDK.
 
Is rachin ravindra popular with Indian fans? I suppose ipl contract is ready soon?
 
mominsaigol said:
It's uhhhh, you're too young to understand 👺.

Regardless hendricks has literally fashioned himself as a destructive t20 opener for South Africa, and in the game he was given a chance in, he showed what he could do.

He compliments quinton better them bavuma who genuinely kills the innings, although today quinton was slow which is usually not the case.
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Hendricks had had 5 years to prove himself and repeatedly failed. He has one 100 which was on debut. He scored 85 against England who everyone is beating for fun and then failed against Bangladesh.
 
Devadwal said:
Rohit was averaging 20-30 for 4-5 year at start of the career ,now looks where is he stand. For me reeza is quality batter than Bavuma.
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Your point being? One player has a career average of 50, the other 29. How do you then justify selecting a bloke over 30 with a career average of 29 over a player that has better numbers than him?
 
soso_killer said:
Your point being? One player has a career average of 50, the other 29. How do you then justify selecting a bloke over 30 with a career average of 29 over a player that has better numbers than him?
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I just don’t get it either. Runs don’t matter, what really matters is the eye test of random people on anonymous internet forums. He might only average 29 and score them way slower than Bavuma but wow he looks so cool doing it.
 
Don’t want to get into the topic of whether Bavuma is the best opener for SA or not but don’t think Reeza is better. Whatever games I have seen of him, he always seem to struggle to score at brisk pace while consuming lots of dot balls.

As I don’t know much about SA domestic scene, not sure who is there to replace QDK once this WC ends.
 
One of these players is only playing based on his skin colour, can you spot who it is? 😂😂😂
 
kron said:
Thank you indian for giving VDD a 6er.

I dont like kiwis. I prefer Saffers but kiwis will win this I feel.
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NZ have more weak links than SA really kiwis don't have full time 5th bowling option that might hurt them in KOs.
NZ batting is also vulnerable, if Rachin got out early i dont see them chasing anything above 290.

SA biggest weak point is pressure while chasing and they somehow manage to avoid that lol. I'll say 60-40 SA.
 
Most destructive keep in the world is qdk.

As much as prime gilly who played in a much better side.

I would put only pant above qdk and that's in tests.
In odi it's qdk.
 
soso_killer said:
Your point being? One player has a career average of 50, the other 29. How do you then justify selecting a bloke over 30 with a career average of 29 over a player that has better numbers than him?
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Point is reeza Hendricks is natural talent . He has only played 30 match here and there. Give him proper chance he will get success.
 
160KPH said:
I just don’t get it either. Runs don’t matter, what really matters is the eye test of random people on anonymous internet forums. He might only average 29 and score them way slower than Bavuma but wow he looks so cool doing it.
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There's too many planks on here. Sorry, but it has to be said. If there was a player that had better numbers and performances over the years, I'd get it. But Bavuma has done decently against a number of opposition instead of having one good series to inflate his average
 
160KPH said:
Hendricks had had 5 years to prove himself and repeatedly failed. He has one 100 which was on debut. He scored 85 against England who everyone is beating for fun and then failed against Bangladesh.
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That's fair. Unlike other circumstances this time I don't have any proof to support my argument.

However like I said hendricks supports the team combination better. Regardless since I don't have a counterargument atm I'll retract what I said.
 
Devadwal said:
Point is reeza Hendricks is natural talent . He has only played 30 match here and there. Give him proper chance he will get success.
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He has the same number of matches as Bavuma and has failed dismally over the years. You're posting nonsense. How do you justify dropping a player averaging 50 for a bloke averaging 29 at 30 years of age? If anything Brevis should be groomed ahead of Hendricks over the next 4 years
 
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