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ICC World Cup 2023: South Africa (399/7) destroys England (170) by 229 runs, leaving England's World Cup hopes in jeopardy

kron said:
They will never win squat
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Their the 3rd Strongest team of the tournament though, you do realise no more amla and faf esc players in their squad? Those players had a record for chockes.

Their current unit is mentally strong besides quinton who's the only player still carrying the chocking tag.

I don't see them getting past NZ or India but their the 3rd Strongest this time around, minus that nedtherlands game, no clue what happened their lol.
 
I think dew is probably coming down. That is when these kind of shots are possible.Any IPL fan remember this match at Wankhede?
Chasing 189 Mumbai Indians needed to chase it in 14.3 overs or reach 193 in 14.4 overs. Under lights They mowed down the target in 14.4 overs. England just had to keep their wickets intact.


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Wood's approach is the perfect example of mindset over talent. He is not even a batsman, but his mindset is simple, he has nothing to lose, and is playing without fear!
 
Wood saved his face somewhat. But England batsmen and England bowlers have the share the blame equally. Also Buttler needs to take up responsibility for his clueless captaincy when Jansen and Klassen were going on rampage
 
mominsaigol said:
Their the 3rd Strongest team of the tournament though, you do realise no more amla and faf esc players in their squad? Those players had a record for chockes.

Their current unit is mentally strong besides quinton who's the only player still carrying the chocking tag.

I don't see them getting past NZ or India but their the 3rd Strongest this time around, minus that nedtherlands game, no clue what happened their lol.
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Nga that's their level man. Even much stronger SA teams have failed. I don't see this one passing semis. Choking kings.

They are the 4th strongest I would say. Despite losing to Aussies I back Aussies to cream them in ko stage easily.

I bet we can beat these choking frauds.
 
England is now at #9 position in table.

Afghanistan is at #10. Sri Lanka is at #8. Netherlands is at #7.
 
I wonder if the opposition should look to see off the new ball against us, even if it means going at 4 or 3.5 in the first 10. We saw the same tactic with the Netherlands. They went on to score 100+ of the last 9 (with 7 wickets down).

Our bowling at the back end of an innings is atrocious. Teams with better batting units should look to exploit that. Any of our bowlers can easily go at 11 to 18 an over from the 20th-25th over onwards
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Wood saved his face somewhat. But England batsmen and England bowlers have the share the blame equally. Also Buttler needs to take up responsibility for his clueless captaincy when Jansen and Klassen were going on rampage
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Would you say he is even more clueless than our Babar?
 
kron said:
Nga that's their level man. Even much stronger SA teams have failed. I don't see this one passing semis. Choking kings.

They are the 4th strongest I would say. Despite losing to Aussies I back Aussies to cream them in ko stage easily.

I bet we can beat these choking frauds.
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2015 and 2019 teams weren't stronger, neither was the 2011 team.

I don't know of their strength before that cause I started watching matches from 2011 onwards.

But wdym by much stronger? How far are we going back? 1990's?
 
Shame, if topley was OK to come out wood could have had more fun
Again another team falls into the trap of winning the toss and batting 2nd on a road, just don't understand the thinking really
 
Finn : You know you are in a bad position when Mark Wood is hitting sixes but can't even muster a smile, it has been that bad for England.
 
mominsaigol said:
Because the whole batting lineup was beyond fragile in 2019, 90% of the time he was forced to anchor and save the innings.

He no longer is needed in 2023 because Conway, Mitchell, Ravindra, Chapman, Philips all play modern cricket.

As I said before this WC has proven to be a wake up call for all these 1990 era frauds in root, Smith, Williamson, Babar etc. It's time for the 2023 approach which is why India is so succesful and why sa is tanking 400 scores and why NZ has been strolling through win after win without Williamson being a thorn
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Actually he bats the same way even when things are going well. MOst recent example was against Afghanistan where daryl mitchell was striiking at 132. Kane was going at 72.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Babar had his share of tactical error like taking off Ifthikar . But this one was way more directionless. No thoughtful plans in place.
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Looking at the scorecard, Willey and Atkinson didn't get to bowl their complete allotment of overs either even when they went under 7 runs an over (compared to Woods and Topley who went 10 runs per over)
 
South Africa may just maul England twice in one day!

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Congratulations South Africa, a real statement win leaving the defending champions on brink of elimination.
 
Australia will be super happy now. Their loss came against two of the strongest sides. Australia is guaranteed to reach semi final. Once Travis head is back they will be even stronger.
 
mominsaigol said:
No one is more clueless then babar lol, even nedtherlands captains better.

Babar is the worst captain I've ever seen in my life.
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Yet both so-called 'worst' kuptaans faced each other in last year T20 final...no chance of that happening this year....
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Actually he bats the same way even when things are going well. MOst recent example was against Afghanistan where daryl mitchell was striiking at 132. Kane was going at 72.
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That's what I said, Williamson is no longer needed and is a thorn
 
mominsaigol said:
2015 and 2019 teams weren't stronger, neither was the 2011 team.

I don't know of their strength before that cause I started watching matches from 2011 onwards.

But wdym by much stronger? How far are we going back? 1990's?
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1999 2003 easily way way stronger. This team is mediocre outside flat pitches.
 
NeVerMind said:
Yet both so-called 'worst' kuptaans faced each other in last year T20 final...no chance of that happening this year....
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Different story, Butler maybe clueless but he was in form in 2022 and is a gun t20 opener. Hence he and Hales could dismantle most sides.

Babar had haris and the bowlers and nedtherlands help to get their.
 
Very matured talk by Jansen. This guy is only 23. NOt long ago he was bowling in nets to Kohli. How far he has come.
 
Champ_Pal said:
SA can move to 2nd spot after the Ind vs NZ game. Their NRR is +2.21.
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India's strategy should be to allowing nz to top the league. Let them play Aussies in semis.
India can play Choker sa in the other semi
 
mominsaigol said:
1999 and 2003 was dealing with atg teams 💀. Australia and India weren't moving bro 😂😂.
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Seen it too often with them and nha they actually matched up well with all those teams in 1999 snd 2003. They just couldn't deliver in the big stage. It's in their DNA. Will never change. They will flop again just like they did vs nedthlerands. I back us to beat them yet again.

Even Bangladesh won a series in SA not too long ago. Bilaterals are rubbish but they had most of their best players playing.
 
Great! Well done my favourite odi side SA. Smashed the poms so hard. Hope early exit for England.
 
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Devadwal said:
Pakistan is going to face taught team while Australia have 3 game against poor team .so Australia is likey to go in semi
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Against poms? East pak win
Against choker DNA SA? We will win again

Who else?
 
soso_killer said:
I wonder if the opposition should look to see off the new ball against us, even if it means going at 4 or 3.5 in the first 10. We saw the same tactic with the Netherlands. They went on to score 100+ of the last 9 (with 7 wickets down).

Our bowling at the back end of an innings is atrocious. Teams with better batting units should look to exploit that. Any of our bowlers can easily go at 11 to 18 an over from the 20th-25th over onwards
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Impressed by Jansen today at least ? I think you are missing Nortje's pace to clean up these tails. Also maybe Sisanda Magala
 
Dear Pakistani fans, are you now confident of your chances against England??
Eng vs Pak will be a thrilling contest.. But, i think England will beat you.
 
pillionrider said:
Starting 2007, Pakistan have lost 2 Finals and 5 semis (ODI, T20, CT) and not been good enough in test cricket, though Misbah did get to pose for a photo with the mace briefly :rabada2


I wouldn't be harping on my rival team being choke artists (even if they're close to being so), if my team had a record like the above. But anyway.
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Since you mentioned 2007 - India actually won 3 ICC trophies between 2007 and 2013 plus all those final and semi-final appearances. But since 2013 it is clear India have had a mental block in the knock out stages.
 
Now Need South Africa rugby team, the springboks to beat England later tonight in the rugby world cup. Humiliation for English in two different sports WC event in the same day.
 
kron said:
Seen it too often with them and nha they actually matched up well with all those teams in 1999 snd 2003. They just couldn't deliver in the big stage. It's in their DNA. Will never change. They will flop again just like they did vs nedthlerands. I back us to beat them yet again.

Even Bangladesh won a series in SA not too long ago. Bilaterals are rubbish but they had most of their best players playing.
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I don't think they'll win broskie.

But they haven't flopped this world cup lol, not even close 😂
 
So, England are 9th on the table being just ahead of Afghans on NRR.

This is good for Australia but this result should scare NZ fans.

Basically, it means you have only beaten a bunch of minnows and the real tough matches are all coming now. :(
 
England's highest ever ODI defeats:

229 runs v South Africa - October 2023

221 runs v Australia - November 2022

219 runs v Sri Lanka - October 2018
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Impressed by Jansen today at least ? I think you are missing Nortje's pace to clean up these tails. Also maybe Sisanda Magala
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Our bowlers are impressive upfront with the new ball, especially under lights. But once the pitch settles (20th over+, bar the Australian game), they are ripe for the picking. India are best equipt to exploit this whether batting first or chasing. They are the most balanced side in this WC (batting 1st or chasing, bowling, fielding etc)
 
soso_killer said:
Our bowlers are impressive upfront with the new ball, especially under lights. But once the pitch settles (20th over+, bar the Australian game), they are ripe for the picking. India are best equipt to exploit this whether batting first or chasing. They are the most balanced side in this WC (batting 1st or chasing, bowling, fielding etc)
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I meant Jansen with bat at #7 as well. He's giving SA very crucial batting depth. Not just his bowling
 
Nikhil_cric said:
So, England are 9th on the table being just ahead of Afghans on NRR.

This is good for Australia but this result should scare NZ fans.

Basically, it means you have only beaten a bunch of minnows and the real tough matches are all coming now. :(
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New Zealand just need 2 more wins to make it to semi most likely. Even 1 win may do because their NRR is very good.
 
South Africa cruise to massive win over England

Chasing 400 to win the game, England were bowled out for 170 by South Africa at Wankhede. This is their third loss in four games at the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2023.

With this, South Africa have overcome a shock loss to Netherlands in Dharamsala and brought their Cricket World Cup campaign back on track.

The South Africa pace attack was in top form at Wankhede, where they ran through the England batting line-up under lights. Chasing a mammoth target of 400, England crumbled in the 22nd over itself. Gerald Coetzee (3/35), Lungi Ngidi (2/26), and Marco Jansen (2/35) were the main wicket-takers for South Africa.

In the first innings, a phenomenal century from Heinrich Klaasen led the South Africa charge in Mumbai. He top-scored for the Proteas with his 109, while receiving a good hand from Marco Jansen. Earlier, Reeza Hendricks and Rassie van der Dussen contributed with their own fifties.

All England bowlers were dispatched for runs, with Reece Topley (3/88), Gus Atkinson (2/60) and Adil Rashid (2/61) among wickets.

Both sides made changes to their line-up for this Cricket World Cup encounter in Mumbai. While regular South Africa skipper Temba Bavuma missed out due to an illness, England were boosted by the return of Ben Stokes.

The Proteas pacers thrived under light and derailed the England batting innings before it could even take off.

Harry Brook's 17 was the best among England's top six batters, even as a number of batters tried to go for aggressive strokes and lost their wickets.

Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi, Gerald Coetzee and Marco Jansen were all among the wickets. Rabada also pulled off an absolutely stunning catch off the bowling of Lungi Ngidi to send David Willey packing.

After the upper and middle order failed to get going, lower order batters Mark Wood and Gus Atkinson showed some fight and hit some lusty blows out of the park.

Their 70-run-stand off 32 balls entertained the crowd but couldn't help England avoid their third loss in four games.

After the 25-over mark in the South Africa innings, Aiden Markram and Heinrich Klaasen came together around the middle-over mark and helped South Africa go on at a positive rate. They added 69 runs off 58 balls before Markram fell to a brilliant catch from Jonny Bairstow in the deep.

Topley struck once again, in the 37th over to account for David Miller. He was caught at the mid-off by Ben Stokes.

However, Klaasen unleashed a number of scintillating shots to lift South Africa's batting effort.

He got good support from Marco Jansen, who picked up pace to match Klaasen's fury in the death overs. Klaasen's century came off 61 balls in the 47th over, whereas Jansen's half-century came off 35 balls in the very next over.

The duo added 151 runs from merely 77 balls to help South Africa close in on 400.

Quinton de Kock began with a four off a drive for South Africa, but was sent back to the pavilion off the very next ball. He went for a drive but ended up edging Reece Topley to the keeper, Jos Buttler. The umpire didn't agree, and England went up for a review. A nick was detected, and de Kock walked back for four.

The South Africa innings revived on the back of Reeza Hendricks and Rassie van der Dussen's intent. The duo hit nine boundaries in the first Powerplay. For England, there was troubling news in Reece Topley's finger injury, which forced him off the field in his fourth over.

Hendricks and van der Dussen kept South Africa's charge going in decent batting conditions, even as the England bowlers searched for answers. They accumulated 30 runs from the first three overs of Mark Wood's spell and hit 10 runs off Adil Rashid's first over.

However, Rashid struck back in the next over. Rassie van der Dussen top-edged straight to mid-wicket. Reeza Hendricks continued attacking from his end and hit three big sixes during his innings.

However, he too fell to Rashid around the mid-innings mark. England's fears around Topley's fitness were somewhat assuaged when the lanky pacer returned back to the field.

England captain Jos Buttler won the toss, and opted to field first in Mumbai. The team made three changes to their setup after the loss to Afghanistan. Ben Stokes, David Willey and Gus Atkinson come in place of Liam Livingstone, Chris Woakes and Sam Curran.

The big news from South Africa camp was that Temba Bavuma missed out due to an illness, with Aiden Markram captaining in his stead. Bavuma was replaced by Reeza Hendricks in the lineup.

Both sides come into this contest off the back of shock losses to sides with lesser international experience. While England were stunned by Afghanistan in Delhi, South Africa were beaten by Netherlands in Dharamsala.

Their loss to Afghanistan ensures that England have only two points from the three games, and the defending champions would like to make amends before things get too late for them. On the other hand, South Africa would like to ensure that the Dutch heist was a mere blip in their campaign.

Playing XIs:

England: Jonny Bairstow, Dawid Malan, Joe Root, Ben Stokes, Harry Brook, Jos Buttler (c) (wk), David Willey, Adil Rashid, Gus Atkinson, Mark Wood, Reece Topley.

South Africa: Quinton de Kock (wk), Reeza Hendricks, Rassie van der Dussen, Aiden Markram (c), Heinrich Klaasen, David Miller, Marco Jansen, Gerald Coetzee, Keshav Maharaj, Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi.

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Ab Fan said:
Let SA win something while chasing then we will know the reality.
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I don't mind losing a chase, it's been a weakness of ours for a while. It's how we lose for me. Why don't we look to take games deeper?

There's only two teams in world cricket that have world class bowling units, especially at the death: India and Australia. Everyone else can be attacked (including us). So why not take games deep?

Batting at 4 to 4.5 until the 30th over with minimal risk (3 down). Which is more than manageable these days. Requiring around 180 with 20 to go is possible with the power of Markram, Klassen and Miller down the order.

Jansen and Maharaj are more than capable with the bat if it's under 80 with one set top/middle order batsmen batting alongside them, unless we're playing against India or Australia at which point the game is gone the moment they post 300+
 
England are basically out. India will end them. Just the formality left now.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I meant Jansen with bat at #7 as well. He's giving SA very crucial batting depth. Not just his bowling
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Yeah, but it still feels like we're a batsman light imo. Especially against India and Australia. He will decimate mediocre bowling attacks like Sri Lanka's or the English but chasing against serious quicks or top bowlers? I don't think he'd contribute much with the willow in that regard. Useful player though, for sure
 
All teams have weaknesses. Matter of which team catch the weakness of other team on a given day better. it makes this world cup predictable. Every Indian fan deep down knows they have te same potential as others to have an awful day.
 
soso_killer said:
Yeah, but it still feels like we're a batsman light imo. Especially against India and Australia. He will decimate mediocre bowling attacks like Sri Lanka's or the English but chasing against serious quicks or top bowlers? I don't think he'd contribute much with the willow in that regard. Useful player though, for sure
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Yeah SA have the option of Andile at 8, Maharaj 9 and then just play 2 out of Ngidi/Coetzee/Rabada.

After first 15 overs, they are all getting hit anyway .

But if Andile's hitting has improved , you might get a strong batting lineup.

You can't play both Bavuma and Reeza, because there wouldn't be a 6th bowling option unfortunately .
 
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