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ICC World Cup 2023: South Africa (399/7) destroys England (170) by 229 runs, leaving England's World Cup hopes in jeopardy

I was hoping for an entertaining run chase but its already fizzled out.

So Eng should try go at least 7.5 rr for the next 35 overs without losing a wicket then attack the next 10 overs to chase down the next 120 runs.

Easy peasy and game's a good 'un.
 
mominsaigol said:
Because the whole batting lineup was beyond fragile in 2019, 90% of the time he was forced to anchor and save the innings.

He no longer is needed in 2023 because Conway, Mitchell, Ravindra, Chapman, Philips all play modern cricket.

As I said before this WC has proven to be a wake up call for all these 1990 era frauds in root, Smith, Williamson, Babar etc. It's time for the 2023 approach which is why India is so succesful and why sa is tanking 400 scores and why NZ has been strolling through win after win without Williamson being a thorn
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Some of these fab 4 club members don't have that extra gear. Even Australians said the same after there were queries about smith's inclusion in world T20, 2022.
 
topspin said:
How did QDK not see that?
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He is really a weird weird dude man. Something is off about him. He always look like he doesn't want to be there. Always in a hurry. Something lazy even. Just a loser demeanor. No idea what bis problem is. Does he have mental issues or something. Takes breaks often. Now quitting tests and odi.
 
Not been watching this, was busy with the Liverpool v Everton match. Good to see England getting smashed. Hate them now especially after recent events how English mps blindly supporting one side. Go Afrikaa!
 
mominsaigol said:
Because the whole batting lineup was beyond fragile in 2019, 90% of the time he was forced to anchor and save the innings.

He no longer is needed in 2023 because Conway, Mitchell, Ravindra, Chapman, Philips all play modern cricket.

As I said before this WC has proven to be a wake up call for all these 1990 era frauds in root, Smith, Williamson, Babar etc. It's time for the 2023 approach which is why India is so succesful and why sa is tanking 400 scores and why NZ has been strolling through win after win without Williamson being a thorn
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Kohli himself is accumulator bro. He sucks vs spin (quality). Watch him dance like he does on tik tok when he plays santner. He also has issues vsvpacers who can swing the ball away from him. But credit to him he plays bounce and pace really well.
 
South Africa batting clicks they get huge scores. I got a feeling they’ll probably score 400+ against BD in this stadium too!
 
IMMY69 said:
Context.
When I say that I am not enjoying watching bowlers getting smashed to smithereens doesn't mean that I am talking about Pakistan.

As Simone who loves the game I want to see more balance between bat and ball...

So why bring Pakistan into it?

Also hence me asking whether you're being stupid on purpose...
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Hope you are enjoying the great bowling on the same pitch. England bowling is just awful.
 
Savak said:
England paying the price for their over confidence, arrogance and complete lack of preperations for the conditions in India
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Good they’re getting smashed. Hope India smashes them too. Way too arrogant poms and it’s commentators too. England thought they can do what Spain did in football win 3 majors in a row! Aint happening! Poms!
 
mominsaigol said:
Root was never ever close to Williamson as an odi player 💀. Bruh.

Root only performs on England pitches and is the epitome of soft scoring. He's basically just a superior version of Babar azam but the same mould.
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A home track bully who averages better away from home than at home...? Makes sense...
 
Technics 1210 said:
How did NL beat SA?

SA are looking like the team to beat, and somehow NL beats them!
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They are not that good bro. Just on absolute flat patta they can do bashings. That too only on small grounds. It was boiling hot which dint help pacers.

They will get found out vs us and in semis as usual. This same team lost to Netherlands man.

They are nothing special. Very beatable.
 
Mas-LFC said:
Good they’re getting smashed. Hope India smashes them too. Way too arrogant poms and it’s commentators too. England thought they can do what Spain did in football win 3 majors in a row! Aint happening! Poms!
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Toss helped them in a way.
 
So look like England's "fearless" approach is probably going to knock them out of the World Cup due to NRR calculations...
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Some of these fab 4 club members don't have that extra gear. Even Australians said the same after there were queries about smith's inclusion in world T20, 2022.
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The fab 4 was always beyond overrated. But people didn't notice.

Williamson in 2019 looked shiny because the lineup for NZ in terms of batting was beyond fragile and bowling carried them through to the final, but that's not rye case in 2023 where every batsmen in the nz line up is playing modern cricket and each can play match winning innings so willaimson is not needed anymore.

Smith literally just has one good 70 ball 100 against India in the WC semi final and that's it. Every other time he's been a massive thorn in the side so much so, that Australia ponders his use in their t20 lineup. He's a fraud who was marketed as the 2nd coming of pointing.

I had an argument with some poster who tried to mock me for saying bavuma sucks and quoted stats on me, well bavuma is the cause of medtherlands defeats, another soft run scorer who needs quinton hand holding to function.

Abdullah, Imam, Babar top order is being badly exposed and it goes to show how important someone who could bat to modern standards like fakhar was when he was in form, none of these 3 can play the innings that he has in his career when he was in form.

Root has only ever soft scored and is just a slightly superior version to babar.

This world cup is turning out to actual prove to people why these accumulators that they praise so much with fancy averages are a throw in the side. No more Babar is willaimson like player comparisons and is needed. Everyone is seeing first hand how badly these types of players cripple sides when you have modern day bats like Conway, Gill, markram playing etc.
 
NeVerMind said:
So look like England's "fearless" approach is probably going to knock them out of the World Cup due to NRR calculations...
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What NRR calculation .they are not going to win 5 out of 5 match . They can max win 3 more game so total 8 point . their world cup is over now
 
Has any reigning champion performed so poorly like England are doing in this world cup ??
Lost to Afghanistan, one sided loss against Kiwis, And now...

India in 2015 world cup lost only single match, Aussies were semifinalists in 2019, England wwill probably finish 5th or 6th
 
kron said:
Kohli himself is accumulator bro. He sucks vs spin (quality). Watch him dance like he does on tik tok when he plays santner. He also has issues vsvpacers who can swing the ball away from him. But credit to him he plays bounce and pace really well.
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Incorrect, he plays according to the rr and is a master chaser. The others cripple the rr, big difference. As for spin, bro everyone struggles against quality spin, their difficult to play lol. Their isn't a single batter ik in the modern era that can easily play quality spin.

But he's class and way > the likes of the fab 4 or babar when playing spin 😂
 
England is out of this tournament, they can't come back for sure. I know it is very early to talk but between Australia and Pakistan, one of them will secure the 4th position in the Semis. Australia has a better chance.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Has any reigning champion performed so poorly like England are doing in this world cup ??
Lost to Afghanistan, one sided loss against Kiwis, And now...

India in 2015 world cup lost only single match, Aussies were semifinalists in 2019, England wwill probably finish 5th or 6th
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SL in 1999 WC
 
Our players problem is lack of bounce.
For a tall man shaheen produces very negligible bounce

Rauf has zero bounce. He bowls nasty bumpers here and there though

Wasim jnr zero bounce
Hasan lol. Toddler bounce.

Without bounce you csnt be effective in docile tracks.
 
mominsaigol said:
The fab 4 was always beyond overrated. But people didn't notice.

Williamson in 2019 looked shiny because the lineup for NZ in terms of batting was beyond fragile and bowling carried them through to the final, but that's not rye case in 2023 where every batsmen in the nz line up is playing modern cricket and each can play match winning innings so willaimson is not needed anymore.

Smith literally just has one good 70 ball 100 against India in the WC semi final and that's it. Every other time he's been a massive thorn in the side so much so, that Australia ponders his use in their t20 lineup. He's a fraud who was marketed as the 2nd coming of pointing.

I had an argument with some poster who tried to mock me for saying bavuma sucks and quoted stats on me, well bavuma is the cause of medtherlands defeats, another soft run scorer who needs quinton hand holding to function.

Abdullah, Imam, Babar top order is being badly exposed and it goes to show how important someone who could bat to modern standards like fakhar was when he was in form, none of these 3 can play the innings that he has in his career when he was in form.

Root has only ever soft scored and is just a slightly superior version to babar.

This world cup is turning out to actual prove to people why these accumulators that they praise so much with fancy averages are a throw in the side. No more Babar is willaimson like player comparisons and is needed. Everyone is seeing first hand how badly these types of players cripple sides when you have modern day bats like Conway, Gill, markram playing etc.
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It is so easy to make up the end strike rate and make it look good which is what fanboys cling on to. But sometimes for some situations you have to go above and beyond something some of these guys lack.
 
Stokes gone. Why he is came here after retirement , proper humiliation for him.
 
mominsaigol said:
Incorrect, he plays according to the rr and is a master chaser. The others cripple the rr, big difference. As for spin, bro everyone struggles against quality spin, their difficult to play lol. Their isn't a single batter ik in the modern era that can easily play quality spin.

But he's class and way > the likes of the fab 4 or babar when playing spin 😂
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I believe root and Smith are way better rplayers of spin than kohli. 100%. You will see man. When pressure is on he fails often. Kohli that is. In ko stages for odi. He has fialed since 2013.

He is good but has serious flaws outside off vs swing and against quality spin.
 
mominsaigol said:
Incorrect, he plays according to the rr and is a master chaser. The others cripple the rr, big difference. As for spin, bro everyone struggles against quality spin, their difficult to play lol. Their isn't a single batter ik in the modern era that can easily play quality spin.

But he's class and way > the likes of the fab 4 or babar when playing spin 😂
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48 in 3 overs. I don't think these guys can remotely think of doing it even after 100 attempts.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro enough of these averages. I'm tired of exposing them over and over.

This world cup has already exposed bavuma, Smith, root, Babar and Williamson as thorns 😂
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How unsurprising that someone who spouts as much nonsense as yourself doesn't like statistical facts.
 
Well, done. 499 was anyway extremely hard to chase. Also SA is able to move ball both ways here and bowling well.

Anyone having a two good days in semis and finals will win this WC.
 
Ahmed216 said:
This poster sometimes posts trash to stay relevant
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Wait I post trash to stay relevant when you have posters here making hollywood troll claims in order to annoy the The discussion forumn?

Please tell me who exactly I'm trying to please? Am I trying to stay relevant to you your majesty?
 
What a massive disappointment England has been in this WC. I thought they would be the team to beat. Not the team that will be beaten.
Looking at their team, they are badly missing Jason Roy who has loads of experience in playing in Subcontinent.

Dawid Malan is a poor version of Roy.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Hope you are enjoying the great bowling on the same pitch. England bowling is just awful.
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No not really.
Every game has been one sided, can't remember one close game in the tournament...
So expected England to lose when the opposition racks up 399.. hoping they would take it closer but didn't expect them to chase a target of this magnitude irrespective of conditions
 
England bowling is nowhere near the quality of SA. But they can be rattled as we saw with Kushal mendis.
 
kron said:
I believe root and Smith are way better rplayers of spin than kohli. 100%. You will see man. When pressure is on he fails often. Kohli that is. In ko stages for odi. He has fialed since 2013.

He is good but has serious flaws outside off vs swing and against quality spin.
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Kohli is a chocker yes, something that Smith I'm 2015 wasn't and Williamson isn't.

But that doesn't mean he plays spin worse lol. Smith and root accumulate against spin better and have superior single taking abilities,

Kohli bashes spin a 100x better then these 2 who have no clue on how to up the ante lol
 
jnaveen1980 said:
People just look at score board rather than bowling quality. That is why. If someone is bowling really well and still getting smashed it is one thing.
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Yeah, England bowling effort was shameful. Absolutely no thought behind it. There is so much pace and bounce in the pitch. Why were they bowling so full? On a true pitch bowling full and half volleys is criminal. I don’t think any one of the English players thought about their game plan on these pitches. You need to bowl hard length, extract bounce, and keep it tight
 
If England lose today they will be nothing to lose against other sides and they
kron said:
Kohli himself is accumulator bro. He sucks vs spin (quality). Watch him dance like he does on tik tok when he plays santner. He also has issues vsvpacers who can swing the ball away from him. But credit to him he plays bounce and pace really well.
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Kohli is accumulator and Annihilator that's why he's rare breed go and check his strike rate in death overs than come to your rubbish again his strike rate in death overs even more than your Butler's and Suryakumar yadav typer hitters , That's why he's goat and rarest of rare😎
 
mominsaigol said:
Kohli is a chocker yes, something that Smith I'm 2015 wasn't and Williamson isn't.

But that doesn't mean he plays spin worse lol. Smith and root accumulate against spin better and have superior single taking abilities,

Kohli bashes spin a 100x better then these 2 who have no clue on how to up the ante lol
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In odi you mean? Then yes I agree. Not tests
 
Champ_Pal said:
What a massive disappointment England has been in this WC. I thought they would be the team to beat. Not the team that will be beaten.
Looking at their team, they are badly missing Jason Roy who has loads of experience in playing in Subcontinent.

Dawid Malan is a poor version of Roy.
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Sheer arrogance to drop Roy.

Without Morgan England are terrible
 
HitWicket said:
How unsurprising that someone who spouts as much nonsense as yourself doesn't like statistical facts.
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Because statistics blind things for obvious reasons.

Statically babar is superior to any pakistani batsmen on the planet and a 89 SR looks golden.

But anyone who watches babar would know that's not the case and numbers don't tell the whole story.

Anyone can make up end numbers to increase sr and stat pad their way through. Root isn't any different.

If you think I'm spouting nonsense to try to stay relevant then don't give me attention, problem solved. It'll make it easier for me if I don't have to reply to brain dead people such as yourself lol.
 
Abraham786 said:
If England lose today they will be nothing to lose against other sides and they

Kohli is accumulator and Annihilator that's why he's rare breed go and check his strike rate in death overs than come to your rubbish again his strike rate in death overs even more than your Butler's and Suryakumar yadav typer hitters , That's why he's goat and rarest of rare😎
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Until he has to do it kos
 
This is very bad for Pakistan, South Africa's NRR now means 6 wins are unlikely to be enough for Pakistan.

Pakistan have to win all of their remaining matches.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
South Africa are more unpredictable team than Pakistan and bigger chokers than India.
Such a unique team.
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Pakistan isn't unpredictable lol. That's a facade. You can say we have been lucky especially in t20 world cup 2022. But we aren't unpredictable lol
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
South Africa are more unpredictable team than Pakistan and bigger chokers than India.
Such a unique team.
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India has choked way more than SA ever did between 2007 to 2015

Since 2013 they have lost 3 semis, 2 wtc finals, 1 champions trophy final and t20 final in 2014.
 
Coetze is so rubbish. What's the value of selecting him ahead of Shamzi? Cost us against the Dutch too 🤦🏽‍♂️
 
mominsaigol said:
Pakistan isn't unpredictable lol. That's a facade. You can say we have been lucky especially in t20 world cup 2022. But we aren't unpredictable lol
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My theory of Pakistan is
If they believe they are good enough thats when they play best cricket.
if they are scared thats when they fail.
in no means we are top team but
on our day we can defeat top team.
so we might sneak into semis and suprise everyone
 
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