"If I impose a lockdown now, it will have adverse effects on the poor of our society": PM Imran Khan

[Abdullah719]

"If I impose a lockdown now, it will have adverse effects on the poor of our society": PM Imran Khan

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Transcript from https://twitter.com/PTIofficial

My dear Pakistanis, the purpose of talking to you today is to address the rising debate of Lockdown.

What is a complete lockdown? A complete lockdown means a curfew where we have to call in police and army to ensure that no one comes out of his/her home.

We need to understand that 25% Pakistanis are living below the poverty line. These people cannot afford two proper meals.

A complete lockdown in Pakistan means that people like rikshaw driver, daily wages, taxi drivers, corner shop owners will face immense financial challenges. They will be limited to their homes and won’t be able to feed their families.

We as a 3rd world country don’t have enough resources to provide for such daily wages earners. China is the 2nd richest country of the world, they could afford to provide for their people. I have to think about these 25% citizens of Pakistan first.

The solution for Pakistan is self-isolation. You must observe self-isolation or if you have flu or cough, practice self-quarantine. There are 90% chances that you will recover. It is our elderly who need proper care and healthcare assistance.

If our people will not practice caution and this disease spreads, it will be a disaster. If people think of this quarantine time as vacation, arrange gathering; Corona will widely spread. It will be fatal for all especially our senior citizens.

Please Discipline yourself and be wise. We have closed all big malls and postponed cricket matches. Now, it is your responsibility to practice Social Distancing.

Allah has said that Allah test the faith of his follower through tough times. The character of the nation emerges in tough time. In 2005’s earthquake & during flood times, I have seen this nation coming together.

The way this nation has always responded to natural calamities is amazing. Today, I need you all to practice self-discipline & social distancing.

If I impose a lockdown now, it will have adverse effects on the poors of our society. If you have fever, cough or flu – please go into self-quarantine. The more you practice self-discipline, the better chances we’ll have against this Pandemic.

The way China came out victorious against this pandemic, so will we. My team & I are taking all measures to support our economy and industries. If you fear food shortage, let me assure you there’ll be none. What’s important, is not to panic.

Panic is more fatal than Corona itself. If people start hoarding, it will cause shortage of food. It might lead to grave consequences. My team and I are on top of this. We are looking into how we overcome these challenges & maintain public’s ease.

Media has an important role, please ensure that there is no panic. We have to fight this together. The key is to practice precaution and self-discipline. The way China has controlled it, we will do the same.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">صورتحال کاتقاضا ہے کہ عوام آگے بڑھیں اور اپنے ہم وطنوں کو کرونا جیسی آفت سے محفوظ بنانے کی تحریک میں ہمارا ہاتھ بٹاتے ہوئے کسی حکومتی فرمان کا انتظار کئے بغیر ہی اپنے آپ کو ازخود گھروں تک محدود رکھیں اور رضاکارانہ لاک ڈاؤن کی راہ اختیار کریں کیونکہ <br><br>"جو محدود ہے۔۔۔وہ محفوظ ہے"</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1241675961004933120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Varun]

India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have all gone for some sort of soft lockdown.

Can Pakistan not do the same?

 

[Bewal Express]

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Transcript from https://twitter.com/PTIofficial

My dear Pakistanis, the purpose of talking to you today is to address the rising debate of Lockdown.

What is a complete lockdown? A complete lockdown means a curfew where we have to call in police and army to ensure that no one comes out of his/her home.

We need to understand that 25% Pakistanis are living below the poverty line. These people cannot afford two proper meals.

A complete lockdown in Pakistan means that people like rikshaw driver, daily wages, taxi drivers, corner shop owners will face immense financial challenges. They will be limited to their homes and won’t be able to feed their families.

We as a 3rd world country don’t have enough resources to provide for such daily wages earners. China is the 2nd richest country of the world, they could afford to provide for their people. I have to think about these 25% citizens of Pakistan first.

The solution for Pakistan is self-isolation. You must observe self-isolation or if you have flu or cough, practice self-quarantine. There are 90% chances that you will recover. It is our elderly who need proper care and healthcare assistance.

If our people will not practice caution and this disease spreads, it will be a disaster. If people think of this quarantine time as vacation, arrange gathering; Corona will widely spread. It will be fatal for all especially our senior citizens.

Please Discipline yourself and be wise. We have closed all big malls and postponed cricket matches. Now, it is your responsibility to practice Social Distancing.

Allah has said that Allah test the faith of his follower through tough times. The character of the nation emerges in tough time. In 2005’s earthquake & during flood times, I have seen this nation coming together.

The way this nation has always responded to natural calamities is amazing. Today, I need you all to practice self-discipline & social distancing.

If I impose a lockdown now, it will have adverse effects on the poors of our society. If you have fever, cough or flu – please go into self-quarantine. The more you practice self-discipline, the better chances we’ll have against this Pandemic.

The way China came out victorious against this pandemic, so will we. My team & I are taking all measures to support our economy and industries. If you fear food shortage, let me assure you there’ll be none. What’s important, is not to panic.

Panic is more fatal than Corona itself. If people start hoarding, it will cause shortage of food. It might lead to grave consequences. My team and I are on top of this. We are looking into how we overcome these challenges & maintain public’s ease.

Media has an important role, please ensure that there is no panic. We have to fight this together. The key is to practice precaution and self-discipline. The way China has controlled it, we will do the same.

Let's see if people have the intelligence to act sensibly.

 

[Sirris]

A total lockdown for Pakistan doesn't make sense yet. A lockdown is nothing more than a desperate and dramatic effort to enforce "social distancing". Lockdown isn't a magical solution in fighting the virus and doesn't guarantee anything.

 

[shah_1]

Strongly disagree

People will not listen to his advice.

 

[Ronaldo7]

What a poor response.

 

[Rana]

A total lockdown for Pakistan doesn't make sense yet. A lockdown is nothing more than a desperate and dramatic effort to enforce "social distancing". Lockdown isn't a magical solution in fighting the virus and doesn't guarantee anything.

I’ve been saying this from the very beginning

They need a better solution

 

[Hermoine Green]

India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have all gone for some sort of soft lockdown.

Can Pakistan not do the same?

Soft lockdown is being done. Markets, travelling, malls, e.t.c e.t.c are stopped and closed. Only medical stores and food stores are allowed to run. We may see complete lock down in Sindh today according to reports.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

If you don't you will risk rest 75% as well

 

[Arsal_AK]

China imposed total lock down. They sealed people shut inside. And people responsed to it, they had people talking and reporting their conditions every day throughout communities. People with the slightest symptoms were put in quarantine. They built hospitals in a week to address the issue. That's how they fought.

Here the idiots in quarantine flee the facilities on to the basis of what food they are getting. Simple messages don't get to people here.

This was a disasterous address. There is nothing of note here, no facts, no data, no roadmap, nothing.

If we don't impose any kind of a lockdown we will be where Italy is, in a few weeks. Remember the deaths are 10 days or so behind the infection meaning the people who are going to die in a couple of weeks time have already been affected. I hope to god they are looking at the data the right way.

And no the team is not on top of this. I hope that it's the case and I am wrong, but what I see more and more, is case of doing far too less, far too late.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Strongly disagree

People will not listen to his advice.

People are stupid.

Even here in Europe, people are partying and going to beaches with a lockdown and fines

 

[Arsal_AK]

India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have all gone for some sort of soft lockdown.

Can Pakistan not do the same?

They can and it's what should be done. People here will never understand the concept of social distancing. Just look at what happened at Sukkhur the other day.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Imran is wrong, if this leads to community spread then he will be responsible for so many deaths....

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

A family friend of ours, who works for government, just attended a damn wedding with 100s of "upper society" people in Punjab.

People are incredible.

PS: This guy is a PMLN supporter. (And I hate bringing up politics in this pandemic scenario but I got a feeling people will blame IK for everything).

 

[Bewal Express]

PK govt is between a rock and hard place. I think this week will be decisive, he may not be left with much choice and that's what he should be planning for, but that means Martial law.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Imran is wrong, if this leads to community spread then he will be responsible for so many deaths....

How will IK be responsible?

He is already telling people to quarantine and maintain "social distance"

The question is, can he feed 25% of people in their homes for weeks?

Don't write bee-ess bro.

 

[Bewal Express]

A family friend of ours, who works for government, just attended a damn wedding with 100s of "upper society" people in Punjab.

People are incredible.

PS: This guy is a PMLN supporter. (And I hate bringing up politics in this pandemic scenario but I got a feeling people will blame IK for everything).

You saw on here that many Nooras( a few are not) are just desperate for this to kill people.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

PK govt is between a rock and hard place. I think this week will be decisive, he may not be left with much choice and that's what he should be planning for, but that means Martial law.

EU armies are already in the streets.

Pak will have to do the same, eventually.

 

[Bewal Express]

How will IK be responsible?

He is already telling people to quarantine and maintain "social distance"

The question is, can he feed 25% of people in their homes for weeks?

Don't write bee-ess bro.

You are looking at feeding 50mn in their homes, is that practical?

 

[jusarrived]

I’ve been saying this from the very beginning

They need a better solution

There is no better solution at this point . Until a vaccine is available, are we going to wait for it to infect half the population?

 

[someone21]

It takes planning, confidence to take such bold decisions. Obviously, this Pak gov does not have such competence.

You dont have to do all in one-go but in a phased manner. All it takes is a will and commitment.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

PK govt is between a rock and hard place. I think this week will be decisive, he may not be left with much choice and that's what he should be planning for, but that means Martial law.

Yeah, like that's not something Pakistan specialises in.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't understand how a country with a history of Martial law would find it difficult to have a lockdown when they had no problem doing it in the past.

 

[Jin Chacha]

You can’t just depend on appeals and requests to keep people inside. Some strict measures have to be taken. A lot of people roaming outside are not out there to put food on the table. They are just loitering around. At least announce that you are only allowed to go outside for work or essential services. Or even announce a partial lockdown of big companies, financial institutions etc. Most people working there are not daily wage earners and can survive a one or two week break.

This policy of leaving everything to the people and hoping they will take the right decision will just not work.

 

[leg-side-flick]

How will IK be responsible?

He is already telling people to quarantine and maintain "social distance"

The question is, can he feed 25% of people in their homes for weeks?

Don't write bee-ess bro.

Bhai, you didn't elect him only for TV speeches... He needs to stop Pakistani people from mixing with each other so that another Italy type thing doesn't occur.

He is not offering any solution, just talk. Who in India / Pak etc listens to only talking, we need police / army etc to make sure people don't do stupid things

Also, if Sindh can lock itself down then why can't other provinces

Also Mark my words, if other states count goes to 400+ with 10/15 deaths, he will lock it down but it will be too late....

It's not B S , am just stating what I think... Rest is upto you

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Bhai, you didn't elect him only for TV speeches... He needs to stop Pakistani people from mixing with each other so that another Italy type thing doesn't occur.

He is not offering any solution, just talk. Who in India / Pak etc listens to only talking, we need police / army etc to make sure people don't do stupid things

Also, if Sindh can lock itself down then why can't other provinces

Also Mark my words, if other states count goes to 400+ with 10/15 deaths, he will lock it down but it will be too late....

It's not B S , am just stating what I think... Rest is upto you

Touché.

If they lock down poor 25% of population... Can they feed them for 3 weeks or 3 months?

People may come out to streets and start looting after a while.

As someone wrote above, it's the rock or a very hard place, indeed.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Touché.

If they lock down poor 25% of population... Can they feed them for 3 weeks or 3 months?

People may come out to streets and start looting after a while.

As someone wrote above, it's the rock or a very hard place, indeed.

So you are going to let bulk of pak run this risk ????

It's bizarre

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

So you are going to let bulk of pak run this risk ????

It's bizarre

It is a paradoxical catch 22.

If Pak government can feed 25% of the poorest then they should impose the lockdown.

Since they can't so they will try to unsuccessfully contain the situation. If it's any consolation, the UK are doing the whole herd immunity thing, now that's bizarre.

 

[jusarrived]

Touché.

If they lock down poor 25% of population... Can they feed them for 3 weeks or 3 months?

People may come out to streets and start looting after a while.

As someone wrote above, it's the rock or a very hard place, indeed.

The challenge is mostly going to be in cities , in rural areas people may be poor but food on the table may not be a issue . Its cities like Karachi , Islamabad , Peshawar etc where govt needs to concentrate on and I think it’s not impossible if planned well . Some of indian cities have already started with this , I genuinely think more than money it takes will and good planning to pull this off .

 

[leg-side-flick]

It is a paradoxical catch 22.

If Pak government can feed 25% of the poorest then they should impose the lockdown.

Since they can't so they will try to unsuccessfully contain the situation. If it's any consolation, the UK are doing the whole herd immunity thing, now that's bizarre.

I know what you are saying but I don't think Imran has chosen the correct path....

It's like saying, I don't think, my team can 20 wickets so why bother playing to win....

 

[Sirris]

Our population is younger than Italy. The elderly don't go out daily and have breakfast in café. Each country needs it own approach.

Don't expect the government to solve the crisis. The public had to play its role.

 

[DRsohail]

Khan did a cery sensible speech and he is watching people response whether they act upon his advice or not if not then he will be left with no options.

 

[Jin Chacha]

Our population is younger than Italy. The elderly don't go out daily and have breakfast in café. Each country needs it own approach.

Don't expect the government to solve the crisis. The public had to play its role.

They also dont live isolated in old homes. They live with their families. Which is why there is no point in asking only old people to stay home and avoid mosques and work. They will ultimately be infected by young people anyway unless strict social distancing measures arent taken.

 

[shah_1]

Our population is younger than Italy. The elderly don't go out daily and have breakfast in café. Each country needs it own approach.

Don't expect the government to solve the crisis. The public had to play its role.

99% of the elderly live with their familes

 

[last_knight]

Poor are not 25%. They are 50% and they fuel riches. If poor stops working, riches lose. That's what this message tells me. In a Medical Emergency of Pandemic status, PM's advices are coming from businessmen, politicians and not Medical Experts.

We have survived again and again through overnight currency devaluation of 20-30%. Sugar prices on occasions have doubled overnightly. We can survive through once again, this time in a world where everyone will be struggling.

It is not a super burden on economy to feed poor for 20 days. But it's supper burden on riches if poor stops fueling their profits.

This message shows concerns for riches, not for poor.

 

[Syed1]

Stupid decision in my opinion. PM is being advised by people with vested interests.

 

[Sirris]

They also dont live isolated in old homes. They live with their families. Which is why there is no point in asking only old people to stay home and avoid mosques and work. They will ultimately be infected by young people anyway unless strict social distancing measures arent taken.

Yes that's where a change in lifestyle needs comes to play. A certain area in house exclusively located for the old. Appoint someone who will look after the elderly for most of the time. The person should avoid public contact as much as possible.

The main way coronavirus spreads is if you interact with someone who has at close approximity for 15 minutes. Avoid this and you are on the safe side. Cover you face when interacting with them and look in the other direction when speaking so that the droplets don't travel in their direction.

Those family members who regularly go out of the house should not be allowed to interact with elderly at a close distance.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is a paradoxical catch 22.

If Pak government can feed 25% of the poorest then they should impose the lockdown.

Since they can't so they will try to unsuccessfully contain the situation. If it's any consolation, the UK are doing the whole herd immunity thing, now that's bizarre.

The UK govt is not saying it publicly any more, but there is a theory that we will be better off in the long run with the herd immunity with regard to dealing with the EU. Those countries are going into big debt by going into lockdown, and there has already been one article in the Telegraph saying this will put us in a much stronger position regarding Brexit talks.

 

[Sirris]

99% of the elderly live with their familes

Which makes it even easier to prevent the disease from spreading to them. The chance of them interacting with an infected strangers is low so the burden is on the family members to protect them.

The virus in Pakistan is nowhere as spread within the society as in European countries. The virus is mostly contencentrated in certain Hotspots which need to be isolated and tested for disease. However to put a whole country under strickt lockdown is not a smart thing to do right now.

People already aren't listening. With a lockdown they will be even more prone to rebel and not listen to the rules.

I am sure as the number of deaths start to increase more and more will start to listen. It's unfortunate but that's how it is.

 

[Jin Chacha]

Yes that's where a change in lifestyle needs comes to play. A certain area in house exclusively located for the old. Appoint someone who will look after the elderly for most of the time. The person should avoid public contact as much as possible.

The main way coronavirus spreads is if you interact with someone who has at close approximity for 15 minutes. Avoid this and you are on the safe side. Cover you face when interacting with them and look in the other direction when speaking so that the droplets don't travel in their direction.

Those family members who regularly go out of the house should not be allowed to interact with elderly at a close distance.

Really? The poor people because of whom we are ostensibly not having a even a partial lockdown, have multiple extra bedrooms in their houses to isolate the elderly?

 

[Sirris]

Really? The poor people because of whom we are ostensibly not having a even a partial lockdown, have multiple extra bedrooms in their houses to isolate the elderly?

You don't need an extra bedroom for them. Just maintain a strict 2m distance.

The poor will be derived by their hunger to disrespect the lockdown anyway. They won't see any evidence for the widespread of the disease and have no understanding of what's happening in Italy.

You can't eat a whole elephant in one bite. You need to do it step by step. Introduce measures like closing of bazaars and shopping malls after certain time etc.

A lockdown will perhaps give you a false sense of security that something is being done but at the moment it will only make matters worse.

90% of deaths in Italy are of those who are 70 or older.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The UK govt is not saying it publicly any more, but there is a theory that we will be better off in the long run with the herd immunity with regard to dealing with the EU. Those countries are going into big debt by going into lockdown, and there has already been one article in the Telegraph saying this will put us in a much stronger position regarding Brexit talks.

Sometimes I get a feeling that you can feed venom to Brexiteers as long as it goes against the EU

These old people would die off coronavirus just to facilitate the Brexit transition

That English Trump clown knows how to play his voters

 

[Local.Dada]

Sorry to say but this poor will suffer argument is really dumb. If a poor guy contacts this virus, will he be able to afford treatment? Now even if the government provides them the facilities and money , that would eat up hospital space, available equipment and of course also government spending.

Now if the government is ready for that then why not give them some financial relief before hand and impose a shut down.

Also it will spread faster among the working class because most of them live in slums, huts or in cooped up spaces. That makes them very high risk and then it will go into chaos.

It’s even more important to identify these people and give them incentives to stay at home rather than leaving them to their fate and saying they can’t afford it. Any way who is he talking about anyways?

Rickshawallah, Cab drivers,Auto wallahs won’t get much of a business in these circumstances anyways.

Small time road side stalls also won’t get customers like before

Sanitation workers like garbage man etc yes that is something which is an absolute essential like a DR,Nurse,EMT and other professions that we need a lot more now.

People like Housemaids, gardeners etc will rich people allow them in homes anyways due to this?

This is just dumb, needs to enforce a total lockdown.

 

[Sirris]

Pakistan is almost there times as large as Germany area and population wise. Germany has 20k+ cases of corona as of yet. Many Germans go to Italy for holidays so a much larger exposure to the virus. It's surrounded by corona infected countries like France. Despite all this top German virologists are saying that a total lockdown doesn't make sense yet. One of them is the virologists who created the Coronavirus test and sent it to the Chinese.

If it doesn't make sense in Germany then it almost certainly doesn't make sense for Pakistan. Government needs to do an extensive Information campaign spread leaflets, hang poster and increase public awareness on how to protect themselves and their families. Those better informed need to caution their less infromed friends.

Limit all non-essential public gatherings and hangout places

People want to have it the lazy way and think a lockdown will magically solve all problems while the public awareness is zero.

 

[Jin Chacha]

You don't need an extra bedroom for them. Just maintain a strict 2m distance.

The poor will be derived by their hunger to disrespect the lockdown anyway. They won't see any evidence for the widespread of the disease and have no understanding of what's happening in Italy.

You can't eat a whole elephant in one bite. You need to do it step by step. Introduce measures like closing of bazaars and shopping malls after certain time etc.

A lockdown will perhaps give you a false sense of security that something is being done but at the moment it will only make matters worse.

90% of deaths in Italy are of those who are 70 or older.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Firstly, you cant avoid the virus just by maintaining a 2m distance. It survives on surfaces for considerable time. If you live in the same house with someone who has it, you are bound to get it.

Secondly, I agree that things have to be done step by step but the govt has not even talked about a phased or partial shutdown. And for an infection that grows exponentially, whatever steps you can take have to be taken early when the base is small. There will be no point to a lockdown two weeks from now when thousands of carriers will be already out there. The only strategy I see here is that since the virus only effects the elderly and the mortality rate is low, we are willing to sacrifice those 2 or 3% old people to keep the economy running.

Thirdly, no one is asking for a month-long lockdown where every single thing is closed. Even a one week partial lockdown would have made a big difference if it was done early when the base was small. By completely discounting a lockdown, we are giving seth owned private enterprises an excuse to keep their offices open. A lot of my friends and relatives are still not allowed to work from home. They are not daily wage earners and can easily survive a couple weeks lockdown. What is stopping the govt from shutting down offices where most people are doing desk jobs. Don’t stop the daily wage earners but take strict measures against any other offices that are open or people loitering around. Appeals and request don’t work. The writ of the govt is only as good as your ability to enforce it.

And finally, if I am being truly cynical then I have to say the argument of poor people dying of hunger in a one week lockdown (had it happened in time) are greatly exaggerated. The whole country was shutdown for a week when BB was assassinated. Nothing happened. Karachi was regularly shutdown for multiple days during the MQM days. Nothing happened. Yes the poor will suffer for a few days but they will at least live to see another day. The cost of doing nothing will be thousands of lives lost, mainly of the poor who cannot afford health facilities.

You don’t have to agree with anything I said. This is just my opinion and I hope I am wrong.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Firstly, you cant avoid the virus just by maintaining a 2m distance. It survives on surfaces for considerable time. If you live in the same house with someone who has it, you are bound to get it.

Secondly, I agree that things have to be done step by step but the govt has not even talked about a phased or partial shutdown. And for an infection that grows exponentially, whatever steps you can take have to be taken early when the base is small. There will be no point to a lockdown two weeks from now when thousands of carriers will be already out there. The only strategy I see here is that since the virus only effects the elderly and the mortality rate is low, we are willing to sacrifice those 2 or 3% old people to keep the economy running.

Thirdly, no one is asking for a month-long lockdown where every single thing is closed. Even a one week partial lockdown would have made a big difference if it was done early when the base was small. By completely discounting a lockdown, we are giving seth owned private enterprises an excuse to keep their offices open. A lot of my friends and relatives are still not allowed to work from home. They are not daily wage earners and can easily survive a couple weeks lockdown. What is stopping the govt from shutting down offices where most people are doing desk jobs. Don’t stop the daily wage earners but take strict measures against any other offices that are open or people loitering around. Appeals and request don’t work. The writ of the govt is only as good as your ability to enforce it.

And finally, if I am being truly cynical then I have to say the argument of poor people dying of hunger in a one week lockdown (had it happened in time) are greatly exaggerated. The whole country was shutdown for a week when BB was assassinated. Nothing happened. Karachi was regularly shutdown for multiple days during the MQM days. Nothing happened. Yes the poor will suffer for a few days but they will at least live to see another day. The cost of doing nothing will be thousands of lives lost, mainly of the poor who cannot afford health facilities.

You don’t have to agree with anything I said. This is just my opinion and I hope I am wrong.

3% of population is a lot of souls. Horrifying situation.

I just learned that Pak were on a lockdown when BB was assassinated.

Maybe Pakistan should impose a hard lockdown then, you kinda convinced me.

Lockdown or not lockdown, a very tough time ahead for my Pakistani brethren.

 

[Jin Chacha]

3% of population is a lot of souls. Horrifying situation.

I just learned that Pak were on a lockdown when BB was assassinated.

Maybe Pakistan should impose a hard lockdown then, you kinda convinced me.

Lockdown or not lockdown, a very tough time ahead for my Pakistani brethren.

I know you are being sarcastic but I will just clarify anyway. I didn't say 3% of the population will die but 3% of the infected and especially the elderly do die. And I dont know where you were when BB was assassinated but the country was for all practical purposes shut down for a few days No offices, shops, schools were open and there certainly werent any taxis, rickshaws and daily wage earners on the roads.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I know you are being sarcastic but I will just clarify anyway. I didn't say 3% of the population will die but 3% of the infected and especially the elderly do die. And I dont know where you were when BB was assassinated but the country was for all practical purposes shut down for a few days No offices, shops, schools were open and there certainly werent any taxis, rickshaws and daily wage earners on the roads.

I wasn't being sarcastic.

I was not in Pakistan when BB was assassinated.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

agree with him..i have said that yesterday.

we can not lock down our country because we can not afford it. American are going to lock down, however, american government decided to pay each american citizen $ 1200.

We are poor country, our government does not have money to pay everyone. We have to understand situation of our country. There is nothing government can do, except to tell people to stay home.

it is easy for people in abroad to say such thing that lock down the country. Average pakistani has to work on daily basis to earn something and feed their families. Do you think Pakistani would go outside and will risk their lives if they know they have source of income.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...he-Coronavirus-Pandemic-crisis-adequate/page2

 

[Itachi]

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Firstly, you cant avoid the virus just by maintaining a 2m distance. It survives on surfaces for considerable time. If you live in the same house with someone who has it, you are bound to get it.

Secondly, I agree that things have to be done step by step but the govt has not even talked about a phased or partial shutdown. And for an infection that grows exponentially, whatever steps you can take have to be taken early when the base is small. There will be no point to a lockdown two weeks from now when thousands of carriers will be already out there. The only strategy I see here is that since the virus only effects the elderly and the mortality rate is low, we are willing to sacrifice those 2 or 3% old people to keep the economy running.

Thirdly, no one is asking for a month-long lockdown where every single thing is closed. Even a one week partial lockdown would have made a big difference if it was done early when the base was small. By completely discounting a lockdown, we are giving seth owned private enterprises an excuse to keep their offices open. A lot of my friends and relatives are still not allowed to work from home. They are not daily wage earners and can easily survive a couple weeks lockdown. What is stopping the govt from shutting down offices where most people are doing desk jobs. Don’t stop the daily wage earners but take strict measures against any other offices that are open or people loitering around. Appeals and request don’t work. The writ of the govt is only as good as your ability to enforce it.

And finally, if I am being truly cynical then I have to say the argument of poor people dying of hunger in a one week lockdown (had it happened in time) are greatly exaggerated. The whole country was shutdown for a week when BB was assassinated. Nothing happened. Karachi was regularly shutdown for multiple days during the MQM days. Nothing happened. Yes the poor will suffer for a few days but they will at least live to see another day. The cost of doing nothing will be thousands of lives lost, mainly of the poor who cannot afford health facilities.

You don’t have to agree with anything I said. This is just my opinion and I hope I am wrong.

agreed with overall sentiment of the post. The ignorance of some of the posters is surprising.

Talking about third world countries, India is already locking down (partially) step by step. Meanwhile people are also preparing for a complete lockdown. "2 m distance and that will be enough...." this attitude will put a lot of people's lives in danger and sadly, it will include lives of those people too who may not have anything to do with it at all.

 

[Jin Chacha]

I wasn't being sarcastic.

I was not in Pakistan when BB was assassinated.

Sorry, my bad.

agreed with overall sentiment of the post. The ignorance of some of the posters is surprising.

Talking about third world countries, India is already locking down (partially) step by step. Meanwhile people are also preparing for a complete lockdown. "2 m distance and that will be enough...." this attitude will put a lot of people's lives in danger and sadly, it will include lives of those people too who may not have anything to do with it at all.

To be completely honest, my gut feeling is that Pakistan is heading towards a lockdown. They may not say it openly to avoid the political fallout but Sindh govt has already locked down and I think the other state govts will do the same with tacit approval from the center. Just hope this delay doesn't cost us.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You have to lockdown high risk areas atleast.

If you don't contain now, Corona will force you to do the same later with DIMINISHED returns.

It's as simple as that.

Either pay Rs 100 bribe today or pay Rs 400 bribe tomorrow.

 

[King-Misbah]

You can lockdown all of Pakistan from 7Pm to 7AM daily. This may be an effective way to some extent control corona considering the current circumstances.

 

[Sirris]

agreed with overall sentiment of the post. The ignorance of some of the posters is surprising.

Talking about third world countries, India is already locking down (partially) step by step. Meanwhile people are also preparing for a complete lockdown. "2 m distance and that will be enough...." this attitude will put a lot of people's lives in danger and sadly, it will include lives of those people too who may not have anything to do with it at all.

That's the real issue right there.

People are not willing to understand that indeed 2m distance from each other goes a major way in stopping this virus from spreading. Dengue and Malaria spreads via mosquitoes this virus spreads with a close interaction with an infected person. If we the educated part of the population aren't willing to believe this measure is going to work than imagine the attitude of the uneducated.

This sentiment needs to be hammered and drilled into public's mind and taken seriously. 2m distance isn't a random number I came up with it's what the latest research has shown to be the most effective in stopping the spread. This is also why a lockdown in theory is supposed to work because it forces people to keep that distance. However if people aren't aware of this fact then you can lockdown all you want it wont work because people are unaware of the underlying principle of social distancing.

Imagine what happens if we lockdown the country hoping for the best.

Most of the infected people who are carrying the virus have either mild or no symptoms right now. Now they have no clue what social distancing mean. An average household in Pakistan has like 6 members. So infected person is forced in a close proximity of 6 other family members for two weeks. BAM after two weeks you have 6 new infected people for one infected right now. Right now we are blindly hoping to stop the virus by going in to the lockdown but once two weeks pass by you will see a drastic increase in the infected. What will you do then? PANIC some more?

My suggestion isn't just keep 2m distance and hope for the best. My suggestion is that make the best and most effective use of the resources. Mobilize the army but not to lockdown the country but to increase the testing rate and identify and isolate those who are infected. Build up testing camps all across the country where people can get tested easily. In Pakistan's case in particular the 90% of virus carrier right now will have a history of Iran travel. Identify them and cordon off those areas from the rest of the population and test as much as possible.

I know self.isolation won't work in Pakistan that's why it's even more important to increase our testing capability as soon as possible. Instead of having police carry around DANDA and beating people up have them carry testing kits and anybody with a cough and fever should be tested and isolated under police's supervision.

On top off that educate the population. Drill social distancing into their minds. Social distancing inside and outside of their household as much as possible. So far Pakistani authorities have failed to properly communicate this vital info.

Look at this graphic it shows how big of an effect social distancing can have and how even a one day delay is crucial:



Doing a countrywide lockdown right now would be a premature act and in two weeks it won't show the desired result. It's most likely to backfire. Then the population would be hostile towards government and after a while when a lockdown indeed might be necessary nobody is going to listen.

 

[Sirris]

https://miro.medium.com/max/5892/1*XcXT9eNuHRQMOUEf_gAB9A.png

better resolution of the graphic

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Imran is wrong, if this leads to community spread then he will be responsible for so many deaths....

Absolutely not.
It will be the PEOPLE who will be responsible because they ignored the warning and they were unable to use basic common sense.

Imran Khan cannot babysit 220 million people.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan does not have the resources to implement an indefinite lockdown. Even the West will wake up to the realities of an indefinite lock down with bankruptcies, losses, layoffs, recession, panic, depression, looting and people affected will complain the govt is not doing enough

 

[Rana]

Pakistan does not have the resources to implement an indefinite lockdown. Even the West will wake up to the realities of an indefinite lock down with bankruptcies, losses, layoffs, recession, panic, depression, looting and people affected will complain the govt is not doing enough

But PP armchair experts don’t agree with you

 

[IndianHero]

IK needs to understand that lockdown needs to be implemented at any cost at least for two weeks. In India they are implementing till march 31st with govt paying Rs 1000 to Rs 1500 in cash to daily wage workers along with other nation

 

[Local.Dada]

Absolutely not.
It will be the PEOPLE who will be responsible because they ignored the warning and they were unable to use basic common sense.

Imran Khan cannot babysit 220 million people.

That is very true. However he can start off with putting basic measures in place. You can’t have caveats for idiots and people who lack social etiquette. You need to have some structure.

When he says poor people have to continue their work, where do you draw the line? Shouldn’t you come up with professions that can and cannot work
Outside. That’s such a vague generic statement.

If someone has a cushy desk job and decent savings but if they lose their job due to this, eventually at some point They will consider themselves as making ends to meet as well:

You need to have proper planning behind this, not generic statements.

 

[Sirris]

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Firstly, you cant avoid the virus just by maintaining a 2m distance. It survives on surfaces for considerable time. If you live in the same house with someone who has it, you are bound to get it.

2m distance is more than enough.

When out in public don't touch unnecessary objects. When you get back home wash your hands. If a family member is infected they should be coughing in tissue papers. An infected person would have to cough heavily on a surface for it to be contaminated. You would have to touch a contaminated surface and then touch your mouth to get infected and even this has not been established by the latest research yet and is an assumption based on past knowledge.

Secondly, I agree that things have to be done step by step but the govt has not even talked about a phased or partial shutdown. And for an infection that grows exponentially, whatever steps you can take have to be taken early when the base is small. There will be no point to a lockdown two weeks from now when thousands of carriers will be already out there. The only strategy I see here is that since the virus only effects the elderly and the mortality rate is low, we are willing to sacrifice those 2 or 3% old people to keep the economy running.

Thirdly, no one is asking for a month-long lockdown where every single thing is closed. Even a one week partial lockdown would have made a big difference if it was done early when the base was small. By completely discounting a lockdown, we are giving seth owned private enterprises an excuse to keep their offices open. A lot of my friends and relatives are still not allowed to work from home. They are not daily wage earners and can easily survive a couple weeks lockdown. What is stopping the govt from shutting down offices where most people are doing desk jobs. Don’t stop the daily wage earners but take strict measures against any other offices that are open or people loitering around. Appeals and request don’t work. The writ of the govt is only as good as your ability to enforce it.

A one week partial lockdown would have made little to no difference. It can take up to two week for the infected person to realize they have the virus. A countrywide lockdown is a desperate measure. Imagine having a tumor in your fingre. A lockdown is akin to chopping off both of your hands due to tumor in one finger. Yes it might work but there is a huge collateral damage. A more reasonable approach is to chop off the finger and observe if the tumor has spread in other parts or not.

In Pakistan's case we know 90% of the infected have a history of traveling to Iran. We first need to cordon off those areas where they have a large population. This is a lot quicker and easier to do then locking down a nation of 200 million and a area of 800000 km2. This will also be the most effective in isolating the virus. Now there are most likely going to spillovers and reports of infected people outside those areas. As a next step those people need to be isolated, their friends and then the area of their movement needs to be cordoned off and put under lock down. This is a step by step approach which makes a lot more sense for our part of the world.

And finally, if I am being truly cynical then I have to say the argument of poor people dying of hunger in a one week lockdown (had it happened in time) are greatly exaggerated. The whole country was shutdown for a week when BB was assassinated. Nothing happened. Karachi was regularly shutdown for multiple days during the MQM days. Nothing happened. Yes the poor will suffer for a few days but they will at least live to see another day. The cost of doing nothing will be thousands of lives lost, mainly of the poor who cannot afford health facilities.

You don’t have to agree with anything I said. This is just my opinion and I hope I am wrong.

If we do a lockdown then it has to be done for 3-4 weeks otherwise it would be a waste of a lockdown. It's due to the nature of the virus that a 3-4 week lockdown is necessary to even have a chance of stopping it from spreading.

Schools and universities are already closed but this measure didn't help since the public has no awareness of how they should be behaving. Likewise a lockdown will have no effect either.

Social distancing in and out side of the house is necessity and our biggest weapon against the virus. Setting up testing camps all across the country is the next thing, identifying and isolating those who are tested positive is the third. I agree self isolation won't work in pakistan but lockdown is forcing people to stay at home and without proper understanding of social distancing they are most likely going to infect the rest of their family members. Who won't notice until two weeks later but by then a two week lockdown would already be over and a new cycle of public infection could begin. That's when the real panic would start since the notion was that a lockdown is going to solve the issue.

 

[Sirris]

IK needs to understand that lockdown needs to be implemented at any cost at least for two weeks. In India they are implementing till march 31st with govt paying Rs 1000 to Rs 1500 in cash to daily wage workers along with other nation

In what way does a lockdown prevents the virus from spreading?

 

[Local.Dada]

In what way does a lockdown prevents the virus from spreading?

Have you heard of the term “quarantine” . There is prevention and then there is minimizing the risk. Right now there is no fool proof prevention so option 2 is minimizing for which right now lockdown is the option.

C’mon man you really need someone to explain that to you?

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan Sunday appealed to the nation to impose self discipline and should not indulge in panic buying, as with collective efforts, the nation would overcome the threats of the coronavirus (Covid-19) pandemic.

In his second televised address to the nation - as the country reported above 600 coronavirus cases - the prime minister said that they were not going for complete lockdown as the situation in Pakistan was different from the rest of the world. It would create economic woes as 25 per cent chunk of its population was living below the poverty line.

"The issue of panic is more dangerous than coronavirus. If all go on panic buying, it will result in irreparable damage to society," he stressed.

Noting a difference between the situation in Pakistan and those of US, UK, Italy and France after the Covid-19 pandemic, he said the complete lockdown would mean imposition of curfew across the country with the law enforcement agencies and armed forces on the streets to enforce it.

In case of such scenario what would become of the labourers, daily wagers, rickshaw and taxi drivers, he said adding they would have no resources to look after their families, similarly, the government did not have the resources to cater to their needs.

The prime minister said China did it because it was the second richest country in the world with a robust system and huge resources.

Reminding the nation to adopt precautionary measures, he said "people should go for self quarantine. If you have symptoms like flu and cough, stay inside your homes instead of visiting hospitals."

The prime minister observed that about 90 per cent affected persons from the disease had mild symptoms and they recovered quickly. The disease posed serious threats to the old and senile population or those who had respiratory complications.

"The pandemic could spread quickly, if the nation did not take precautionary measures," he warned.

Khan said that social distancing should be given preference instead holding marriages or other social gatherings insides homes as it would be an injustice with the old population of the country who were the most vulnerable segment of society.

"My advice is to discipline upon yourself, take care of yourself and avoid going outside," he stressed.

The prime minister said the government had already issued directives for the closure of shopping malls and rescheduling of cricket events.

The prime minister said Allah tests the believers with ordeals.

"I have firm belief in my nation which always emerges out of the trying times successfully. I am proud of my nation that has faced difficult times, including the 2005 earthquake and 2010 floods which inflicted huge damages on the country.

He also mentioned the support extended by the overseas Pakistanis in those hard times.

The prime minister added that his government required the nation's full support and cooperation in tackling the Covid-19 threat as any complacency or irresponsibility on their part could lead to a serious situation.

He said if the nation imposed self discipline like the one exhibited by the Chinese people, it would emerge successful out of the current situation.

The prime minister said the country had no shortage of food items and advised the people not to hoard unnecessarily.

He further assured the nation that he along with his team were working day and night to tackle the situation and steer the business, economic and industrial sectors of the country out of the current economic slowdown.

Khan said his government would announce a plan for the business sector within a couple of days, he added.

The nation, he said, should have full confidence in the government and his economic team that is fully aware of the current situation and devising mechanisms to provide relief to the public by mitigating their problems.

With regard to media, the prime minister observed that it had an important role in the current situation.

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/corona...-pakistan-lockdown-self-discipline-in-address

 

[Rana]

In what way does a lockdown prevents the virus from spreading?

Sirius bhai Jaan

No point beating your head against walls. Let them have the dreaded lockdown and let them decide for themselves

 

[Bewal Express]

People have been warned how serious it is and told how to prevent it spreading but we are PK's and it will make very little difference.

 

[IndianHero]

In what way does a lockdown prevents the virus from spreading?

Social distancing & prevents local or even community transmission.

Please do read on how china reduced new cases in wuhan by lockdown

Yesterday in india there were 83 new cases today due to curfew we had only 36 new cases

 

[Hermoine Green]

Whole country is going through partial lockdown.

 

[Jin Chacha]

As I said I was just expressing my opinion. We dont have to agree on everything. I was not demanding a total lockdown but just asking for stricter measures to force people to stay home. I am not interested in having a debate because neither of us our experts and our your opinions are as good as mine. I will just give some short replies and we can agree to disagree.

2m distance is more than enough.

When out in public don't touch unnecessary objects. When you get back home wash your hands. If a family member is infected they should be coughing in tissue papers. An infected person would have to cough heavily on a surface for it to be contaminated. You would have to touch a contaminated surface and then touch your mouth to get infected and even this has not been established by the latest research yet and is an assumption based on past knowledge.

Maintaining 2m distance is good practice. But we were talking specifically about elderly people living in the same house as an infected person. In this case 2m is distance is not sufficient to prevent infection.

A one week partial lockdown would have made little to no difference. It can take up to two week for the infected person to realize they have the virus. A countrywide lockdown is a desperate measure. Imagine having a tumor in your fingre. A lockdown is akin to chopping off both of your hands due to tumor in one finger. Yes it might work but there is a huge collateral damage. A more reasonable approach is to chop off the finger and observe if the tumor has spread in other parts or not.

A quaratine has to be 14 days. A partial small duration partial lockdown is not a quarantine designed to recover people. It is to stop people from coming into contact with other carriers and slow the rate of spread. When you are at home you come into contact with your family, lets say 5 people, when you are in an office, you come into contact with many times that and can start a chain reaction of spread.

In Pakistan's case we know 90% of the infected have a history of traveling to Iran. We first need to cordon off those areas where they have a large population. This is a lot quicker and easier to do then locking down a nation of 200 million and a area of 800000 km2. This will also be the most effective in isolating the virus. Now there are most likely going to spillovers and reports of infected people outside those areas. As a next step those people need to be isolated, their friends and then the area of their movement needs to be cordoned off and put under lock down. This is a step by step approach which makes a lot more sense for our part of the world.

The idea that majority of cases have travel history is no longer relevant. Local community spread has started and will grow exponentially if not controlled by strict social distancing measures. We neither have the equipment nor the capacity to test and isolate everyone. For every one person tested, they will be many asymptomatic carriers.

If we do a lockdown then it has to be done for 3-4 weeks otherwise it would be a waste of a lockdown. It's due to the nature of the virus that a 3-4 week lockdown is necessary to even have a chance of stopping it from spreading.

Schools and universities are already closed but this measure didn't help since the public has no awareness of how they should be behaving. Likewise a lockdown will have no effect either.

Social distancing in and out side of the house is necessity and our biggest weapon against the virus. Setting up testing camps all across the country is the next thing, identifying and isolating those who are tested positive is the third. I agree self isolation won't work in pakistan but lockdown is forcing people to stay at home and without proper understanding of social distancing they are most likely going to infect the rest of their family members. Who won't notice until two weeks later but by then a two week lockdown would already be over and a new cycle of public infection could begin. That's when the real panic would start since the notion was that a lockdown is going to solve the issue.

You sort of missed the point. As you said if a person stays home they can only infect or be infected by their family members, lets say 5 people. If they are out and about they will infect many more who will infect many more and start an explosive chain reaction.

 

[Sirris]

Have you heard of the term “quarantine” . There is prevention and then there is minimizing the risk. Right now there is no fool proof prevention so option 2 is minimizing for which right now lockdown is the option.

C’mon man you really need someone to explain that to you?

It was a pop quiz to see how much you understand what you are a talking about. Lockdown is a desperate option and we have few better one at hands before we go for a total countrywide lockdown.

Social distancing & prevents local or even community transmission.

Please do read on how china reduced new cases in wuhan by lockdown

Yesterday in india there were 83 new cases today due to curfew we had only 36 new cases

I have been reading about this virus and how it spreads since weeks and listening to the podcasts by German virologists who are doing the latest research and update daily. One of them happens to be Christian Drosten, who not only invented the first test kit for this new virus but also was the guy who first discovered the deadlier SARS-Cov back in the 2003 pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Drosten

You have a wrong understanding of how the virus works if you think that the effects of a curfew is going to be observable the very next day. The 36 new cases found today doesn't mean there were less infection today thanks to the curfew. The new cases were most likely infected by the virus 5-14 days ago and only now had the symptoms and went to the doctor to get tested.

The effect of a curfew will be visible in 5-14 days! A one day curfew isn't going to have any observable effect anyway.

What does social distancing mean?

Yes not shaking hands and not going to parties and social gatherings is part of it but at its core it means keeping 2m distance when interacting with others.

Now if there is no public awareness of this fact and people aren't keeping this distance even at their homes then no amount of curfew is going to have a long term effect. Especially not a 10 day curfew till 31st March. Since the person who was infected with the virus today may show symptoms in 14 days when the curfew is long over.

In Pakistan and India there is another dynamic that needs to be paid attention to. The average household has 6 person. Now if they aren't keeping the 2m distance among themselves than in two weeks after the curfew is lifted you will have 6 new infected people for one infected right now.

In Europe most households are single or two person households. Many old people live isolated and on their own. Hence a lockdown there would have in general a positive effect than in the subcontinent if people aren't keeping their distance.

That's why I am against people blindly calling for a lockdown. It raises little public awareness on how the virus spreads while giving a false sense of security and in couple of weeks when a big number of infected will show up again people will be even more panicked since their magic formula didn't work.

My suggestion is to cordon off areas which are most effected right now and invest all resources in increasing the capability to perform test so that infected person can be identified and isolated early on. There movements in the past few days need to be traced and all those are cordon off.

Coronavirus isn't a death sentence, especially not for a young population like in Subcontinent. In Pakistan 5% of the population is 65+ while in Italy 21% of the population is 65+. 90% of those who died in Italy are 70+. Subcontinent needs its own strategic approach. People need be made aware of this and encouraged to come forwards for a test.

In regards to Wuhan remember besides lockdown, each family member was wearing a mask AT home and the moment one family member was found to have the virus they were taken away by the authorities and never to be seen again while the rest of the family was tested and taken away if positive. China had a lot more resources to fight this pandemic even more than some Western countries. If we don't understand the underlying principles which helped the Chinese to win and only blindly copy paste a superficial solution we won't win.

 

[pillionrider]

If Imran Khan's concerns aren't actually the poor and weaker sections of his society, what could be his motives for delaying lockdowns?

 

[Sirris]

As I said I was just expressing my opinion. We dont have to agree on everything. I was not demanding a total lockdown but just asking for stricter measures to force people to stay home. I am not interested in having a debate because neither of us our experts and our your opinions are as good as mine. I will just give some short replies and we can agree to disagree.



Maintaining 2m distance is good practice. But we were talking specifically about elderly people living in the same house as an infected person. In this case 2m is distance is not sufficient to prevent infection.



A quaratine has to be 14 days. A partial small duration partial lockdown is not a quarantine designed to recover people. It is to stop people from coming into contact with other carriers and slow the rate of spread. When you are at home you come into contact with your family, lets say 5 people, when you are in an office, you come into contact with many times that and can start a chain reaction of spread.



The idea that majority of cases have travel history is no longer relevant. Local community spread has started and will grow exponentially if not controlled by strict social distancing measures. We neither have the equipment nor the capacity to test and isolate everyone. For every one person tested, they will be many asymptomatic carriers.



You sort of missed the point. As you said if a person stays home they can only infect or be infected by their family members, lets say 5 people. If they are out and about they will infect many more who will infect many more and start an explosive chain reaction.

Yes I am not an expert. I have looked into many resources to inform myself better though and my intentions are to question misconceptions.

2m distance should be a safe call even if the infected and elderly are living in the same house and it is particularly effective the less they interact with each other. I still believe the majority cases of infected have travel history and concentrating on them is still a good starting point.

Lastly people need to made aware that social distancing needs to be practiced at home too.

A lockdown right now won't even come close to solving the issue.

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Social distancing & prevents local or even community transmission.

Please do read on how china reduced new cases in wuhan by lockdown

Yesterday in india there were 83 new cases today due to curfew we had only 36 new cases

Today's curfew made zero difference to today's cases. The true cases lag behind by 7-8 days on average, deaths by 12-14 days. So you will be seeing the effects of today's curfew if any next week.

[MENTION=144682]Sirris[/MENTION] is right. Lockdown for a week is not going to accomplish anything. If it has to be a lockdown, it has to be 3-4 weeks atleast like Wuhan. In that period, the affected can start recovering and the new transmission also begin to show signs and hopefully quarantined as well.

1-2 week lockdown is not going to help. If anything it might worsen things.

 

[shah_1]

Lockdown has to be for a month aleast to show effect

 

[Lonewarrior]

whether someones agrees or not, lockdown are going to be imposed in all Pakistan .....

 

[MenInG]

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Flag March by Sindh Rangers, Police & Pakistan Army in different areas of Karachi due to lockdown in Sindh.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Priviliged Pakistanis sitting abroad screaming lockdown when so many families that are already extremely poor will have absolutely no way to earn money even for their basic needs. I’m all for a soft lockdown and maximum social distancing but look at things from every perspective.

 

[Savak]

Maybe the govt will need to impose a conditions based lockdown where they will have to allow taxi, rickshaw, restaurants (take outs and deliveries only) to be open but grocery stores will need to be policed.

 

[Sirris]

whether someones agrees or not, lockdown are going to be imposed in all Pakistan .....

If due to (social) media pressure it comes a countrywide lockdown it would be utter stupidity. It will be a sad day and a horrific decision.

Imran Khan's alternative solution to self-isolation is wrong too since most people can't grasp the concept.

The resources used to lockdown sindh should be going into increasing testing capacity and building temporary testing camps through out the shia dominated population and large cities like Karachi and Lahore.

Out of all the European countries effected by the virus only France, Italy, Spain and Denmark have gone for a total lockdown. People in Pakistan are too eager to look for the west for a solution than to think of their own solution.

I hope for the best but it's easy to see where the trajectory of this mindless approach is heading.

 

[Bewal Express]

Priviliged Pakistanis sitting abroad screaming lockdown when so many families that are already extremely poor will have absolutely no way to earn money even for their basic needs. I’m all for a soft lockdown and maximum social distancing but look at things from every perspective.

I am not, we can't afford it and more to point the poor will be going hungry.