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If Imam-ul-Haq is our future, then we are not going to become a modern ODI outfit

Average of 45 with a strike rate of 80. Are some really comparing this guy to Shehzad? Lol!
 
You can make what you want out of it. Imam doesn’t get into England, India, South Africa, New Zealand A side’s as a limited overs opener.
 
Stupid thread criticism of a 22 yr old player who has just reached 1k runs ,the 2nd fastest 1k in odi history 19 games 4 50s & 5 tons all away from home.. if he was a non Pakistani he would already be in some goat lists , so far so good & he will only get better with Shan on his case..
 
I've been saying from the beginning. He looks a proper opening batsman with decent technique. He has proved that in this series. The interview was pure Gangsta :)). Gotto love his guy!!
 
Rana said:
You can make what you want out of it. Imam doesn’t get into England, India, South Africa, New Zealand A side’s as a limited overs opener.
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Omg this Typical clueless hate associated with fickle fans!! get a grip man 🤦🏽*♂️
 
If Imam stays in the team Pakistan will always be 30-50 runs short. This is probably a miracle Pakistan made 6 runs per over Imam and Babar assured Pakistan never reaches 250 in UAE conditions. I'm trying to tune in to some highlights to see how many fumbles, misfields and dropped catches were there by South Africa. South Africa thru out the tour has been benevolent towards Imam and spot on Fakhar. He is probably the only player they dropped multiple catches in the tests.
 
He’s young and with a bit more experience there is no reason he cannot add more shots into his game
 
People like sunil gavaskar praise imam while these expert posters bash him. Pak fans dont know about the art of playing an odi innings. Top order sets up the game for lower order flourish in last 10-15 overs.
Imam is young and he will improve. Valid criticism is alright but criticizing a player when he performs is just absurd
 
Hate me, criticise me all you want for calling this out. You want your side to match the big boys of world cricket? You are going to have to do What the big boys have done in the past to get there. He’s not what you need
 
Rana said:
Hate me, criticise me all you want for calling this out. You want your side to match the big boys of world cricket? You are going to have to do What the big boys have done in the past to get there. He’s not what you need
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Ok, let's bring in the De Villiers and the Kohlis roaming the street of Lahore and Karachi.
 
Rana said:
Hate me, criticise me all you want for calling this out. You want your side to match the big boys of world cricket? You are going to have to do What the big boys have done in the past to get there. He’s not what you need
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You can never compare man to man in a team game. It's the sum of parts that counts in the end result. For a team that loses top order wickets in a heap frequently, he and Babar are required. One of Babar or Imam should stay until the 40th over so others can play around them.
 
Rana said:
Hate me, criticise me all you want for calling this out. You want your side to match the big boys of world cricket? You are going to have to do What the big boys have done in the past to get there. He’s not what you need
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Please understand for once that he is the best we have. There is talent crisis in Pakistan and we don’t have elite players.

That’s all.
 
Rana said:
You can make what you want out of it. Imam doesn’t get into England, India, South Africa, New Zealand A side’s as a limited overs opener.
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Pretty dumb comment. He averages 60+ in ODIs. He'll get into most sides and bat whereever he pleases. If he can keep this up for another 50 ODIs, he'll start getting into some all-time ODI XIs too.
 
Rana said:
You can make what you want out of it. Imam doesn’t get into England, India, South Africa, New Zealand A side’s as a limited overs opener.
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Doesn't matter.... He is no Kohli but easily makes it to Pak XI.

He can be the guy who bats 25/30 overs and scores 70 (80) regularly.... That's brilliant for Pak
 
Rana said:
Hate me, criticise me all you want for calling this out. You want your side to match the big boys of world cricket? You are going to have to do What the big boys have done in the past to get there. He’s not what you need
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All I see is that Imam helped Pakistan become the favourites for this match after helping them beat South Africa in the first ODI.
 
Imam right nowis the least of our problems. Malik and amir are the real passengers. Amir averages 31 in Odis, I really don't understand this garbage about being a big match player . It's always the other bowlers coming together and breaking through. We need a genuine wicket taker like junaid because we have too many container bowlers.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Shehzad used to be one of our main in ODI till 2015 something. The reason he got in the Test side as well. After that he became the king of dot balls.

The thing being that we want to improve as an ODI side and Imam will have to improve his SR as well. Pak does not have those big bashers to compensate the slow start. It could even lead to a collapse if a Hafeez doesn't ciick.
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That is a team problem and not Imam''s . I believe he is doing a fine job as an opener abroad especially in SA conditions....

In comparison they always talk about ENG playing the modern day cricket after 2015 CWC, even their openers scored hundreds here at a similar SR when they came here in 2016 and also lost the series 3-2 under Eoin Morgan
 
Pakistani fans are really the dumbest you’ll find. Imam is here to stay and a far far better option than the likes of others waiting in the ranks. He’s only going to get better from here on.
 
Rana said:
Hate me, criticise me all you want for calling this out. You want your side to match the big boys of world cricket? You are going to have to do What the big boys have done in the past to get there. He’s not what you need
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this is what the big boys did here in 2016 at the same ground... Pak made one run short and their opener scored a hundred at the same SR... Now what u need
 
Rana said:
The term 'baap ka maal' fits perfectly here. Inzi is not chief selector all over the world.
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Neither is he competing with openers from all over the world. People wanted him to be dropped for Sahibzada, and we saw how rubbish he was.

Imam is the best opener in the country at the moment.
 
Mamoon said:
Neither is he competing with openers from all over the world. People wanted him to be dropped for Sahibzada, and we saw how rubbish he was.

Imam is the best opener in the country at the moment.
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He is extremely limited in strokeplay.
 
Mamoon said:
Neither is he competing with openers from all over the world. People wanted him to be dropped for Sahibzada, and we saw how rubbish he was.

Imam is the best opener in the country at the moment.
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Which clearly means we are light years behind teams like India and England.

We will not win the world cup and will be lucky to fluke our way into the semis. DeQock is showing these left handed openers how to bat on this track and how Imam is well behind openers around the world
 
a 22 year old who has to face criticism from his own fans and people, so not only he has to be under pressure from his own countrymen who even then go on to say that he is as good as a his last innings which purely suggests that he can score a 100 yet he will get the hate, we can as fans do or say whatever we want, no leash on us, and we can get away with whatever we want

Then on top he has to fight the big boys also of world cricket.

This is exactly the kind of boy I want in the side. Gutsy, confident, resilient!!!!
Not like there are kohlis or warners out in Pakistan.

Now for a moment imagine, instead of criticising him so much, we support him, back him, now his focus and energies are not wasted in fending off these hate and spiteful remarks, but concentrating on building up his game more
 
Hyperion66 said:
Hating on a kid who is improving with each game!! Pakistani fans deserve hacks like Fakhar.
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You now what bro some of people here don’t understand cricket imam is improving day by day I’m following rohit sharma since u19 he wasn’t great early on his career but he improve his game and today he is super star
 
Rana said:
Which clearly means we are light years behind teams like India and England.

We will not win the world cup and will be lucky to fluke our way into the semis. DeQock is showing these left handed openers how to bat on this track and how Imam is well behind openers around the world
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light years behind lol. pak were behind 2 decades when it comes to play modern cricket... not just CT will fix everything straight and right overnight...

PAK were struggling to put scores above 250 and failing to chase anything above 250.. Ever since MA as coah they are slowly and steadily catching up the pace on world cricket with scores of above 250, 300 and chasing scores of 250+....Pak team of 2008 - 2016 would have never chased a score of 260 against SA in SA... If had they done that then i would be really surprised, this team have done that only because of the platform set by Babar and Imam where Hafeez Sarfraz and Malik as seniors were expected to finish the game with a win which eventually Hafeez did with his good 71..

Imam and Babar are the future and happy to see the young boys delivering in conditions alien to them especially in SA and just before the CWC..
 
first look to survive 50 overs

then worry about strike rate

your team is hovering just above minnow status
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Good. keep looking until u find the next afridi who can avg 20 at SR 100+
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No one is looking for Afridi. We need an opener who can either maintain a decent strike rate through out his innings like Babar or someone who has the ability to make it up once he gets set like Rohit Sharma. There are already too many accumulators in our team. Saud or Shan can do better than Imam.
 
Chokli said:
first look to survive 50 overs

then worry about strike rate

your team is hovering just above minnow status
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So was England in 2015. They turned everything around within a year after the world cup
 
Chokli said:
and do you know how professional the english set up is?
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With such a professional set up even before 2015, England couldnt produce an ODI side fit enough to compete with the world of cricket. Even decades before there dramatic turn around. Pakistan can do the same as long as the right people are in charge
 
He needs to improve his shot range and his strike rotation but he is still young enough to improve. Once set he has the ability to go big.

All he can do is score runs.
 
Terrible terrible thread, [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] you should be allowed to delete all of this for an extremely poor opinion. But unfortunately, some folk are too far gone like Umar Akmal to change their ways and I see you have the same issue with this narrow minded view about a youngster who just put his team in a strong position to win. While the criticism is not valid remotely, such talent can be afforded a long rope for the potential in order to develop further and gain experience yet this fella has been performing regardless off that, I can only see people who are big fans of Stick Cricket have a serious problem with this guy or those with biases etc put pressure on the kid for no reason when he already has a lot on his shoulders to begin with for superficial reasons.
 
Greenstorm said:
No one is looking for Afridi. We need an opener who can either maintain a decent strike rate through out his innings like Babar or someone who has the ability to make it up once he gets set like Rohit Sharma. There are already too many accumulators in our team. Saud or Shan can do better than Imam.
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Saud is not an opener, when Shan plays will know what he can do..
 
He will only get better with more chances, the guy is pure class. When Kohli first came in he wasn't anything like he is today. Imam will break Saed Anwar's records.
 
He is not the answer. You will lose wether he scores or not . 101 off 116 in yhis wicket as an opener was never good.
 
look at how South Africa are creaming the ball! They would have scored 400 batting first!
 
He might have scored a 100 but that strike rate is simply pathetic for a modern day opener.
 
Pak fans are never happy.

Don’t score runs: slit wrists
Score 100’s: slit wrists

Sigh
 
I remember after Champions trophy, many posters wanted Azhar to stay in the ODI team because he was scoring runs. Imam's case is similar, he is too limited just like Azhar. We should try Shan.
 
Greenstorm said:
I remember after Champions trophy, many posters wanted Azhar to stay in the ODI team because he was scoring runs. Imam's case is similar, he is too limited just like Azhar. We should try Shan.
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Please don’t compare Azhar and Imam. Not sure what you are smoking. Imam is miles ahead of everyone in the team barring Babar and Fakhar. He needs to be groomed properly. Imam I think can end up as a future Rohit or Dhawan since he has the potential.
 
Scoring a snail pace ton against SA means nothing.

Shehzad has ODI Tons against SA and NZ.
 
I agree 100%.

He's an average player who is not on par with leading opposition batsmen. It's been a while since we've seen anyone who is capable. Haris Sohail had potential but he seems more of a consolidator rather than a match winner. Most of these batsmen, at most, can carry the team's score along slow and steady rates but can't win matches through aggression - latter is what we require (and have for many years) rather than the former.
 
Rana said:
We need to be ruthless and get rid of guys who are not up to the mark with modern batting requirements. An intention to score at a strike rate of 100 is a bare minimum on all kinds of tracks. Having the shots to evade the inner circle is a realistic requirement. I do not see these qualities in Imam ul Haq although his record suggests we are being harsh on him. England could have rebuilt their ODI side with Alistair Cook as their opener considering how solid of a player he is, but it was clear that his limitations to not be able to score freely besides a couple of go to shots was not going to allow them to play the modern game like the other teams.

Something needs to be done now or after the wc as it may be too late. This guy will keep us in the 90s forever otherwise. Its a shame because hes an honest, hardworking lad but we simply cannot move out of this weak mentality if players like him are our ODI stars. A strike rate of 50 on a track like this an opener is criminal!
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We can’t just grow Kohli’s or Rohit’s on trees. Accept it and move on.
 
Snak3eye5 said:
Please don’t compare Azhar and Imam. Not sure what you are smoking. Imam is miles ahead of everyone in the team barring Babar and Fakhar. He needs to be groomed properly. Imam I think can end up as a future Rohit or Dhawan since he has the potential.
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Wishful thinking. Potential is the only thing he lacks due to limited talent.
 
His wonderful innings come back to haunt us. Well played, chachu khush howa.



For the record in the first ODI Amla had a SR of 90 by the time the innings ended and he coped so much hate, while Imam's SR was 87.
 
Syed1 said:
His wonderful innings come back to haunt us. Well played, chachu khush howa.



For the record in the first ODI Amla had a SR of 90 by the time the innings ended and he coped so much hate, while Imam's SR was 87.
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And Amla was batting with it only being one wicket down while after Imam, there was one batsman between him and the 6 tail-enders.
 
OP's point has been validated so quickly; Pakistan is about to lose the match thanks to selfish batting of Imam :))) hor chopo

Pak fans have to think big; have to realize that an opener playing at 50 strike rate for so long in his inning is always going to cost you game unless the opposition is really inferior to you or the opposition is having a bad day.

Pakistan was actually lucky that other batsmen play better and the score was a bit respectable but Pakistan was still short 30-40 runs here.
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] :bow: it takes guts to say the truth at the time when most public does not want to hear it
 
Excellent Thread. Completely agree with what the OP said.

The "wonderkind" won it for Saffers well before our bowling even started. He ate up 116 balls (almost 20 overs) for his 100, which translates to a run rate of 5 per over!

Anyone with an iota of common sense could see from the word go that this pitch had 350 as par score written all over it. But Sir Imam did his best to make sure we get nothing more than 280! Yeh toh bhala ho Hafeez aur Imad (who himself is a big liability) ka, that they dragged us past 300.

And before someone blames it on the bowling, it's the very same attack that just 2 days ago made 200 run target a very competitive one... It's not their fault that the pitch is super docile, combined with the post rain wet ball.

Nothing personal against Imam. He's a hardworker and I respect him for that, but he's not meant for modern day cricket. The longer he stays in the team and on the crease, the better it is for opposition. Players like him are only good at setting/chasing sub par (250 - 275) totals, which is exception nowadays rather than a norm. As long as Imam stays in the team, we'll always be 30-40 short of what we could score without him.

Unless he gets rid of his timid one dimensional approach, he should stay away from the ODI setup... Should only be allowed back when he learns how to pace his innings and how not to eat up insane amount of deliveries for personal milestones.
 
The guy was 30 off 60 balls and from that point on we lost the match. He is almost solely to blame for it. He was meandering along even after putting on 50+ with Babar. Too slow of a player for modern ODI cricket imo.
 
Greenstorm said:
We needed batting of Shadab, Imad and Hassan in last 10 overs instead of Imam and Malik.
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I think some people really get emotional and reactionary to a few innings if they are starting to rely on Shadab, Imad, and Hassan's batting.

Imam got out with 7 overs to go.
 
Sorry to day this but his innings was the difference between Pakistan posting 340-350 and the 315 odd they ended up with.

He was struggling for most part of the innings and relied on some seriously shoddy SA fielding. His get out of jail shot was the shimmy down the track and almighty heave which luckily worked for him. In short he is a hack who had his day in the sun.

And the short speech after the innings was so cringeworthy. It sounded like a retirement speech after amassing 15k runs. Come on lad. Give it a break.
 
Sir Alex said:
Sorry to day this but his innings was the difference between Pakistan posting 340-350 and the 315 odd they ended up with.

He was struggling for most part of the innings and relied on some seriously shoddy SA fielding. His get out of jail shot was the shimmy down the track and almighty heave which luckily worked for him. In short he is a hack who had his day in the sun.

And the short speech after the innings was so cringeworthy. It sounded like a retirement speech after amassing 15k runs. Come on lad. Give it a break.
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Precisely this - as mentioned in other threads, his SR was the lowest of all batsmen who scored 30+ runs.
 
His first fifty took 67 balls to reach and his second fifty took 47 balls to reach.

It sounds decent but he only hit a grand total of four boundaries in getting to his second fifty all the while eating up two overs worth of dot balls in the crucial last ten overs.

A better knock than Amla’s but a selfish knock at best.
 
srh said:
OP's point has been validated so quickly; Pakistan is about to lose the match thanks to selfish batting of Imam :))) hor chopo

Pak fans have to think big; have to realize that an opener playing at 50 strike rate for so long in his inning is always going to cost you game unless the opposition is really inferior to you or the opposition is having a bad day.

Pakistan was actually lucky that other batsmen play better and the score was a bit respectable but Pakistan was still short 30-40 runs here.

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] :bow: it takes guts to say the truth at the time when most public does not want to hear it
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You guys are behaving like we have Sehwag’s & Kohli’s in domestic cricket. This is the best you will get. Stick to your limits.
 
Rana said:
Where are all of those posters asking me to retire from PP?
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Imam is the future whether you like it or not. In the beginning Kohli and Dhawan played the same way having low strike rates which I think is over rated and it took time before they worked out the kinks in their armor. Imam also does not have any supporting players to help with that unlike Kohli who had the luxury of playing along Dravid, Sachin and Segway.

Imam is someone that needs to be groomed along with Babar and Fakhar. Need new players to also come in such as Saad, Saud and Rizwan to support and have an England like transformation. It’s going to take time but I believe the future is bright. Imam is the only one that scored a century here and none of Sa’s bowlers were able to ge him out. If that isn’t an eye opener, I’m not sure what is.
 
IAJ said:
A Tendulkar like ton today...
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Used to be Azhar Ali's issue as well. Whenever these guys bat till at the least 40th over it kills Pak's chances of posting a huge total. Today we got pretty lucky that Imad could somehow get us to 310+.
 
He deserves a longer rope now in my opinion. Once he gains more and more confidence and experience we should expect his SR and building of an innings to improve.
 
in_cutter said:
You guys are behaving like we have Sehwag’s & Kohli’s in domestic cricket. This is the best you will get. Stick to your limits.
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I respectfully disagree. There are better batsmen than him in Pakistan domestic List A for example Shan Masood has lot better stats than him in domestic List A. But he get a chance over all of them and that pisses lot of Pak fans.
 
Rana said:
Which clearly means we are light years behind teams like India and England.

We will not win the world cup and will be lucky to fluke our way into the semis. DeQock is showing these left handed openers how to bat on this track and how Imam is well behind openers around the world
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Yes, that is the truth. We are a mid-table team and simply not good enough to be among the world’s best. These are the best players we have.
 
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