If India become weak, so will Bangladesh: BCB chief

[princeuk]

I'm glad that they remember India's "support" over the years but conveniently forgotten Pakistans, Pakistan always wanted them to get test status and helped them as much as they could.

 

[bleaf27]

Is there even point discussion this, in which parallel universe would Pakistan ever be comfortable with any joint commitment between India and Bangladesh. Let alone cricket, this arrangement would be bothersome in defence, finance, legal, arts heck anything you can think of.
Any Bangladeshi fan would appreciate Dalmiya and his work. Why is Pakistan always crying? Sometimes IPL, then it's BCCI and BCB then it's bollywood. Start focusing on yourself for once. The obsession with India is intense down there

 

[MABA]

Is there even point discussion this, in which parallel universe would Pakistan ever be comfortable with any joint commitment between India and Bangladesh. Let alone cricket, this arrangement would be bothersome in defence, finance, legal, arts heck anything you can think of.
Any Bangladeshi fan would appreciate Dalmiya and his work. Why is Pakistan always crying? Sometimes IPL, then it's BCCI and BCB then it's bollywood. Start focusing on yourself for once. The obsession with India is intense down there

Says the person who who spends his time on a "PAKISTANI" forum

 

[Ph_11]

Says the person who who spends his time on a "PAKISTANI" forum

He is putting his views forward to initiate a dialogue.

 

[Ph_11]

BCB is appreciating and reciprocating the friendship that BCCI showed to them. Whether it was getting them entry into test status or keeping certain nations from relegation(now it seems like pakistan is the bigger beneficiary of that).

Why are you belitteling friendship between two boards? This is for the greater good of the game as the game will only progress through India, BD and Pakistan.

 

[Ph_11]

How does the BCCI bring 70% of the revenue? In what way?

Can you try to figure that out on your own without help.

 

[Ph_11]

if bcci is so strong why asking favor from PCB or any dealing .Bcci could have clear stance on that

BCCI still believes in friendship with your board. PCB has not missed a single opportunity to denounce BCCI.

 

[Ph_11]

Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't it actually the Indian audience that is bringing the money and not BCCI ?

It is BCCI that is streamlining the Indian audience and bringing them to the table. Can you imagine a series in which Indian govt does not allow any broadcast?

 

[Balthazar]

Don't really get it why other boards need that kind of money if they are bringing a puny cash in return to total revenue system. I agree that we need to support newer cricket teams, but if already established teams can't even run their affairs on their own, maybe it's time to dissolve these incompetent boards.

 

[Ph_11]

Don't really get it why other boards need that kind of money if they are bringing a puny cash in return to total revenue system. I agree that we need to support newer cricket teams, but if already established teams can't even run their affairs on their own, maybe it's time to dissolve these incompetent boards.

Agreed. It is a shame if they expect a poor country like India to subsidize them. Some boards dont even want to be friends but still want our money.

 

[Balthazar]

Agreed. It is a shame if they expect a poor country like India to subsidize them. Some boards don't even want to be friends but still want our money.

India can survive on it's own with out the need of ICC membership. It's time to teach these clowns a real lesson.

 

[Ph_11]

India can survive on it's own with out the need of ICC membership. It's time to teach these clowns a real lesson.

India should develop IPL like the baseball teams with a extended window. That way all the money stays in India. Then the hate will be real.

 

[daytrader]

Oh come on, it is not begging. They just like to remind us about it every 2 days.

Yeah if you owe money to someone say a bank and you default on your promise...they will haunt you till you pay up. Bottom line is BCCI has money but is a cheapskate

 

[Itachi]

I don't understand, if BCB favors BCCI, why the Pakistani posters are jealous? Just because it was once east Pakistan and shared the name doesn't mean it has obligation to Pakistan now.

 

[Ph_11]

Yeah if you owe money to someone say a bank and you default on your promise...they will haunt you till you pay up. Bottom line is BCCI has money but is a cheapskate

There were certain pre conditions that were not meant so the promise does not hold.

Can you show it to me in writing what you are talking about. He said she said is not a contract.

 

[daytrader]

There were certain pre conditions that were not meant so the promise does not hold.

Can you show it to me in writing what you are talking about. He said she said is not a contract.

Which preconditions are you referring to that were not met?

 

[Ph_11]

Which preconditions are you referring to that were not met?

Show me the contractual promise first.

 

[daytrader]

Show me the contractual promise first.

Bro you are just trolling and posting for the sake of argument. Your first sentence is about preconditions which you don't have an answer for. Let's address that and we can then discuss other points

 

[Zak_Fan]

Yeah if you owe money to someone say a bank and you default on your promise...they will haunt you till you pay up. Bottom line is BCCI has money but is a cheapskate

That haunting should be done in court. Outside of it, it really does come across as begging, and even Pakistani posters here believe that.

 

[daytrader]

That haunting should be done in court. Outside of it, it really does come across as begging, and even Pakistani posters here believe that.

I don't think you are familiar with collection processes. Court is the last resort, public shaming is the first

 

[Ph_11]

Bro you are just trolling and posting for the sake of argument. Your first sentence is about preconditions which you don't have an answer for. Let's address that and we can then discuss other points

No trolling here. Where does it say India was supposed to play Pakistan?

As far as pre conditions are concerned BCCI has to get govt approval just like your board does.

Your turn next.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Bro you are just trolling and posting for the sake of argument. Your first sentence is about preconditions which you don't have an answer for. Let's address that and we can then discuss other points

Why do you think PCB is yet to take a legal approach? Would have been a lot more ghairati option than crying about it for ages.

 

[daytrader]

No trolling here. Where does it say India was supposed to play Pakistan?

As far as pre conditions are concerned BCCI has to get govt approval just like your board does.

Your turn next.

Our government has no problem playing anywhere. So essentially you are saying the preconditions were not met by the BCCI, because the BCCI failed to get government approval. Where is PCB'S fault in this? If you can't honour something, pay up!

 

[Zak_Fan]

I don't think you are familiar with collection processes. Court is the last resort, public shaming is the first

It should have come to the last resort long ago, specially when the only board being shamed here is PCB.

Apparently, BCCI does NOT owe PCB anything, and it seems there is little your board can do about it.

 

[Ph_11]

Our government has no problem playing anywhere. So essentially you are saying the preconditions were not met by the BCCI, because the BCCI failed to get government approval. Where is PCB'S fault in this? If you can't honour something, pay up!

You have no shame in asking for money. I asked you to show me or link me to where it says BCCI has to play PCB? Crickets.

 

[daytrader]

It should have come to the last resort long ago, specially when the only board being shamed here is PCB.

Apparently, BCCI does NOT owe PCB anything, and it seems there is little they can do about it.

Sure you can tell yourself that. Fact is the Big 3 didn't just happen without PCB'S support. BCCI got what it wanted but failed to honor it's commitment. That's called hypocrisy and you should feel ashamed for it

 

[daytrader]

You have no shame in asking for money. I asked you to show me or link me to where it says BCCI has to play PCB? Crickets.

It's well documented, there are countless threads on it. Maybe u might have seen a word called 'MOU'. Kindly use the search bar

 

[Zak_Fan]

Sure you can tell yourself that. Fact is the Big 3 didn't just happen without PCB'S support. BCCI got what it wanted but failed to honor it's commitment. That's called hypocrisy and you should feel ashamed for it

You need access to MoU to ascertain that. How can you even talk about commitment when you are clueless about the conditions it was subject to?

 

[LastManstanding]

Sure you can tell yourself that. Fact is the Big 3 didn't just happen without PCB'S support. BCCI got what it wanted but failed to honor it's commitment. That's called hypocrisy and you should feel ashamed for it

Yes it did happen without pbc's support. That's is why PCB settled for a mou which isn't legally binding.

Atleast try to keep it subtle.

 

[Ph_11]

It's well documented, there are countless threads on it. Maybe u might have seen a word called 'MOU'. Kindly use the search bar

If it well documented why cant you show it? Link would help. Fact is there was no such thing maybe some understanding. I doubt there was a legally binding document.

Moving forward how do you expect to oppose BCCI and expect something in return? BCCI provides all of the revenue and gets fractions and you want more. Seriously.

 

[Itachi]

It's well documented, there are countless threads on it. Maybe u might have seen a word called 'MOU'. Kindly use the search bar

I guess a bit of misconception here. You do know that MoU isn't binding contract which is why, even with all the threatening PCB is still hesitated to sue BCCI.

First learn what is a MoU. Then you can refer to it. Here you are like a parrot going non stop with the word not even understanding the very basics in the first place.

 

[Itachi]

Sure you can tell yourself that. Fact is the Big 3 didn't just happen without PCB'S support. BCCI got what it wanted but failed to honor it's commitment. That's called hypocrisy and you should feel ashamed for it

I'll give a simple example. PCB is like that girl who is hell over bent on marrying a guy who is not interested. So in order to be gentle, the guy(BCCI) said that, if the family(govt) allows, then he has no objections.

The family didn't agree. Hence marriage didn't take place.

But the girl can't accuse of being betrayed because that's what was in the table from the beginning and she went ahead with it knowing everything. It was a high risk, high gain effort. Since it didn't pan out and dignity is lost, it doesn't mean the other party was at fault.

The fault lies in you.

 

[big_gamer007]

How does the BCCI bring 70% of the revenue? In what way?

From sponsorship and TV rights by Indian companies/ or companies which want to capture Indian market.. Thought this was common knowledge apparently not..

 

[amit]

BCCI need to stop bullying others. BCB need to realise that if they are run professionally, they can be the 2nd biggest board and can challenge BCCI in everything

I hope BCB gets strong people to run them rather than the current bunch of weak people

 

[Executioner]

Kind of suprising statement. I understand what our board president is trying to say but isn't this openly mentioning that BCB is dependent on the. BCCI.

I fully endorse good relationship with BCCI as well as any other board including PCB.

But this statement goes a bit too far. I don't want BCCI to give us favors because we support them but because of our worthy fanbase and an ever improving team.

 

[Executioner]

By all means BCB isn't BCCI's lapdog. BCCI hasn't does any favor that other cricket boards haven't done. Especially Lanka and Pakistan.

BCB is just trying to be in good terms. I am trying to decipher what papon really meant by the statement.

I think what he hinted was that BCCI getting richer is good for cricket overall as India has the fanbase. Here of course the true fault lies with pathetic ICC. They have not been able to take cricket to other parts of the world. We have Ireland and Afghanistan emerge in the last 10 years but that's it. And we have seen west indies and Zimbabwe go down big. Surplus is absolutely minimal in terms of fanbase.

Please don't give me the nonsense of those little things ICC is doing to spresd the game. I don't know what ICC is doing in Somalia or Nigeria or PNG. I care about what's in front of me. What's in front of me is that we have a world cup which only gets smaller. Now you Tell me in such a situation boards are somewhat reliant on the money from Indian cricket fans and of course fans elsewhere. Now Indian fans mske up 50 percent of the world's​ cricket fanbase and many of these people are not just supporters but die hard fan mainly because they don't have other sources of national pride.

 

[HitWicket]

By all means BCB isn't BCCI's lapdog. BCCI hasn't does any favor that other cricket boards haven't done. Especially Lanka and Pakistan.

BCB is just trying to be in good terms. I am trying to decipher what papon really meant by the statement.

I think what he hinted was that BCCI getting richer is good for cricket overall as India has the fanbase. Here of course the true fault lies with pathetic ICC. They have not been able to take cricket to other parts of the world. We have Ireland and Afghanistan emerge in the last 10 years but that's it. And we have seen west indies and Zimbabwe go down big. Surplus is absolutely minimal in terms of fanbase.

Please don't give me the nonsense of those little things ICC is doing to spresd the game. I don't know what ICC is doing in Somalia or Nigeria or PNG. I care about what's in front of me. What's in front of me is that we have a world cup which only gets smaller. Now you Tell me in such a situation boards are somewhat reliant on the money from Indian cricket fans and of course fans elsewhere. Now Indian fans mske up 50 percent of the world's​ cricket fanbase and many of these people are not just supporters but die hard fan mainly because they don't have other sources of national pride.

Slightly ironic considering that the statement clearly signifies that the BCB have been bought to vote against the ICCs recent proposals to expand the game. Test status to Ireland and Afghanistan, increased funding for associates (and affiliates given that lower level of status would be removed), an increased say for associate nations in board level decisions, and a league system for tests and ODIs which would be much more open to the suggestion of possible relegation/promotion in the future than the disorganised ranking system right now.

 

[Shafi]

I'll give a simple example. PCB is like that girl who is hell over bent on marrying a guy who is not interested. So in order to be gentle, the guy(BCCI) said that, if the family(govt) allows, then he has no objections.

The family didn't agree. Hence marriage didn't take place.

But the girl can't accuse of being betrayed because that's what was in the table from the beginning and she went ahead with it knowing everything. It was a high risk, high gain effort. Since it didn't pan out and dignity is lost, it doesn't mean the other party was at fault.

The fault lies in you.

Either way you are wrong!

Let me explain to you according to your example and current situation among boards.

Scenario 1:

The girl is obsessed with that guy. But you cannot call him gentle if he used that dumb girl and take her stupidity as granted, use her and dump her before telling the family.

Scenario 2:

If he knew that his family will not approve her then why playing game with that dumb girl and didn't tell her that his family will never approve her.

Scenario 3:

Even though if he told her upfront about non-approval but went off with that girl for physical needs is still immoral.

Now coming to the point.

Both PCB and BCCI made an agreement about bi-lateral series. We went to India to fulfill our promise but when its your turn BCCI finds all sorts of excuses. My questions:

1. Why not discuss with your government before made up several bi-lateral tour agreements?2
2. Is BCCI is the puppet of Indian Government then why gave false hope and agreements?
3. If Terrorism/border is the real issue then why play with us in the World Cup?
4. If Indian are that peace loving country why doing so many atrocities around Bangladeshi border by BSF?

 

[Executioner]

Slightly ironic considering that the statement clearly signifies that the BCB have been bought to vote against the ICCs recent proposals to expand the game. Test status to Ireland and Afghanistan, increased funding for associates (and affiliates given that lower level of status would be removed), an increased say for associate nations in board level decisions, and a league system for tests and ODIs which would be much more open to the suggestion of possible relegation/promotion in the future than the disorganised ranking system right now.

Who cares about weak BCB. BCB is a rich board with millions of cricket crazy supporter but with the team still not world class it wont help Bangladesh if teams like PNG USA thrive in cricket. Afghanistan and Ireland are crucial allies. Zimbabwe no.

But it's in BCB's best interest to expand the world cups. Anf everyone knows it.

But if cricket was a global game then BCB would never have had to worry about being forced into touring Pakistan or try to please BCCI although these are just mere speculations.

Reality is that cricket is just going to die soon. BCB and other boards are trying to look at their best interest. ICC on the other hand needs to learn a few ideas from BCB. BCB has two fc tournaments one with 8 teams and one with 4 teams. ICC has two world cups with 10 teams and 1 champion trophy of 8 teams. What is the difference? ICC is the only one who needs to be blamed. BCB SLC PCB and BCCi will have itd share of problems due to politics terrorism financial constraints etc. But ICC is supreme and needs to look to spread the game so that these 4 boards can play cricket and earn so much money because well fans across the globe will be watching

 

[Executioner]

I'll give a simple example. PCB is like that girl who is hell over bent on marrying a guy who is not interested. So in order to be gentle, the guy(BCCI) said that, if the family(govt) allows, then he has no objections.

The family didn't agree. Hence marriage didn't take place.

But the girl can't accuse of being betrayed because that's what was in the table from the beginning and she went ahead with it knowing everything. It was a high risk, high gain effort. Since it didn't pan out and dignity is lost, it doesn't mean the other party was at fault.

The fault lies in you.

This sounds more.like what PCB is doing with BCB regarding touring Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

Another non cricket post and people will get banned here

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Minnows don't get to decide. Let the big boys handle this.

 

[Syed1]

[MENTION=142864]bleaf27[/MENTION] and [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] - lets be a bit more mature and not resort to mudslinging.


This is a Pakistani forum and in typical Pakistani fashion we welcome our guests from all corners. However, I understand what Pakpak is saying too, when some folks come as guests to our home and say WE are obsessed with THEM. That is very ironic.

In any case Indians add a different flavour to the forum and I have personally had plenty of excellent discussions with some of them which has increased my knowledge of India the country, their cricket team, politics and culture.

Back to the topic, as I have mentioned before India and Bangladesh can do whatever they feel like, it has no bearing on Pakistan. However, Bangladesh should try to stand up on its own feet and not link its success or failure with any other nation.

 

[daytrader]

I guess a bit of misconception here. You do know that MoU isn't binding contract which is why, even with all the threatening PCB is still hesitated to sue BCCI.

First learn what is a MoU. Then you can refer to it. Here you are like a parrot going non stop with the word not even understanding the very basics in the first place.

Awesome avatar man! Itachi is such a cool character.

Now to address your point - please refrain from personally attacking me and calling me things like a parrot - if you go through my posts you'll see that I've only referred to the 'MOU' only once - so I'm not throwing the word around.

Now it doesn't really matter if the MOU is legally binding or not, the fact is PCB supported BCCI condition to some series. We held up our part. You didn't. Whether MOU can be enforced or not you should still feel guilt for not doing something you said you would. If we can't enforce it legally, no problem. We have a right to remind you that you owe us money!!!

 

[daytrader]

I'll give a simple example. PCB is like that girl who is hell over bent on marrying a guy who is not interested. So in order to be gentle, the guy(BCCI) said that, if the family(govt) allows, then he has no objections.

The family didn't agree. Hence marriage didn't take place.

But the girl can't accuse of being betrayed because that's what was in the table from the beginning and she went ahead with it knowing everything. It was a high risk, high gain effort. Since it didn't pan out and dignity is lost, it doesn't mean the other party was at fault.

The fault lies in you.

This is a lame analogy. Please compare apples to apples.

 

[KhalidRafi]

The BCB are BCCI's lapdogs. Nothing new.

 

[bleaf27]

[MENTION=142864]bleaf27[/MENTION] and [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] - lets be a bit more mature and not resort to mudslinging.


This is a Pakistani forum and in typical Pakistani fashion we welcome our guests from all corners. However, I understand what Pakpak is saying too, when some folks come as guests to our home and say WE are obsessed with THEM. That is very ironic.

In any case Indians add a different flavour to the forum and I have personally had plenty of excellent discussions with some of them which has increased my knowledge of India the country, their cricket team, politics and culture.

Back to the topic, as I have mentioned before India and Bangladesh can do whatever they feel like, it has no bearing on Pakistan. However, Bangladesh should try to stand up on its own feet and not link its success or failure with any other nation.

I agree but I'm surprised to make a point what kind of things are being said. That's ridiculous.
Secondly, Bangladesh as an independent nation - their steps or strategy or whateevr they do shoudln't be scrutinized. It doesn't owe anything to anyone . Whether BCB feels its interests are more protected by BCCI or PCB shouldn't be anything worth losing sleep over for anyone - and if people resort to call them lapdogs or whatever - that would be demeaning to a lot of people

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

I agree but I'm surprised to make a point what kind of things are being said. That's ridiculous.
Secondly, Bangladesh as an independent nation - their steps or strategy or whateevr they do shoudln't be scrutinized. It doesn't owe anything to anyone . Whether BCB feels its interests are more protected by BCCI or PCB shouldn't be anything worth losing sleep over for anyone - and if people resort to call them lapdogs or whatever - that would be demeaning to a lot of people

They are lapdogs who think its ok send their youth team and women to play cricket in Pakistan to develop but don't return the favor of a senior mens tour.

PCB should reply in kind and put a blanket ban on bilaterals with BD. Have your 1 test special series lapdog.

 

[bleaf27]

They are lapdogs who think its ok send their youth team and women to play cricket in Pakistan to develop but don't return the favor of a senior mens tour.

PCB should reply in kind and put a blanket ban on bilaterals with BD. Have your 1 test special series lapdog.

How does that make one a lapdog ? So if they sent the Men's team they wouldn't be lapdogs but because they refused to send the team , they are lapdogs , so essentially whether Bangladesh is lapdog or not is based upon how they act with Pakistan ?
Speak in Favor of Pakistan and agree to their terms - Not a lapdog
Take a stand or side with India - Not a lapdog

So in that sense, all the cricketing nation are lapdogs of each other because they flatly refused. Australia , England , NZ , India , SA , WI all are lapdogs . cool

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Papon is a diplomat. He is also working with Manohar on reaching the best possible settlement for world cricket. India is going to get their money whether BCB or PCB want it or not. Might as well go along with the flow.

BCB doesn't have the same power and influence as PCB, so we dont have the liberty of being at war with the BCCI.

If anyone thinks it would better for the BCB to ally with PCB, perhaps they should ask the PCB to treat us with due respect. We cannot trust the ECB or CA either.

 

[Sidilicious]

In diplomacy, there are no friends, only interests. So why are Pakistanis blaming this guy?

PCB would have done the same given the right opportunities. So would any board. Even BCCI if it was not this cash rich. Its the way of the world. Stop looking down at Bangladesh as if it is some sort of a minnow. It is a very professionally run cricket board, with a team that is doing well and it could become the second richest asian cricket board soon (if its not already)

 

[Pete Rose]

In diplomacy, there are no friends, only interests. So why are Pakistanis blaming this guy?

PCB would have done the same given the right opportunities. So would any board. Even BCCI if it was not this cash rich. Its the way of the world. Stop looking down at Bangladesh as if it is some sort of a minnow. It is a very professionally run cricket board, with a team that is doing well and it could become the second richest asian cricket board soon (if its not already)

Some PCB folks and Pak cricket fans think the BCB's job is to forever be grovelling in front of pakistan cricket. It requires a degree of magnanimity to see those who you might have supported at some stage, to pass you by or be an equal to you.

 

[bleaf27]

Some PCB folks and Pak cricket fans think the BCB's job is to forever be grovelling in front of pakistan cricket. It requires a degree of magnanimity to see those who you might have supported at some stage, to pass you by or be an equal to you.

On point , I get this feeling that Pakistan tends to take Bangaldesh for granted or tends to expect some sort of following from them. Bangladesh declining Pak's invitation was seen as a sign of being arrogant around here whereas Australia and England not even considering Pak's invitation is nothing to talk about ?

 

[Pete Rose]

On point , I get this feeling that Pakistan tends to take Bangaldesh for granted or tends to expect some sort of following from them. Bangladesh declining Pak's invitation was seen as a sign of being arrogant around here whereas Australia and England not even considering Pak's invitation is nothing to talk about ?

I will repeat, it's this casual racism and dismissive attitude that lost us half the country in 71

 

[Tusker]

By all means BCB isn't BCCI's lapdog. BCCI hasn't does any favor that other cricket boards haven't done. Especially Lanka and Pakistan.

BCB is just trying to be in good terms. I am trying to decipher what papon really meant by the statement.

I think what he hinted was that BCCI getting richer is good for cricket overall as India has the fanbase. Here of course the true fault lies with pathetic ICC. They have not been able to take cricket to other parts of the world. We have Ireland and Afghanistan emerge in the last 10 years but that's it. And we have seen west indies and Zimbabwe go down big. Surplus is absolutely minimal in terms of fanbase.

Please don't give me the nonsense of those little things ICC is doing to spresd the game. I don't know what ICC is doing in Somalia or Nigeria or PNG. I care about what's in front of me. What's in front of me is that we have a world cup which only gets smaller. Now you Tell me in such a situation boards are somewhat reliant on the money from Indian cricket fans and of course fans elsewhere. Now Indian fans mske up 50 percent of the world's​ cricket fanbase and many of these people are not just supporters but die hard fan mainly because they don't have other sources of national pride.

Really ? National Pride tied to a sport ...

 

[dildildalwalla]

From sponsorship and TV rights by Indian companies/ or companies which want to capture Indian market.. Thought this was common knowledge apparently not..

The money from TV rights to Indian matches stay in India. The ECB makes more money from its tv rights deal and is about to sign one of the largest contracts in sports tv history, it will be on par with champions league if it comes to fruition. India can not even approach that level of money in rupees, let alone pounds or dollars.

As for sponsorships, the biggest sponsors in cricket are the likes of Pepsi or various sports companies, none of which are Indian companies.

So, more than a one sentence answer will have to be provided.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The money from TV rights to Indian matches stay in India. The ECB makes more money from its tv rights deal and is about to sign one of the largest contracts in sports tv history, it will be on par with champions league if it comes to fruition. India can not even approach that level of money in rupees, let alone pounds or dollars.

As for sponsorships, the biggest sponsors in cricket are the likes of Pepsi or various sports companies, none of which are Indian companies.

So, more than a one sentence answer will have to be provided.

Nice try with the Indian flag.

The money generated by ICC matches shown in India goes to ICC and is then distributed to its members.SO no the money doesnt stay in India.

ECB doesnt make more money than BCCI from its TV rights deal.BCCI's current deal is worth close to 700mn(excluding the IPL TV deal) which will expire in 2017-18. So anything ECB will sign BCCI will beat that by some distance.

Do you know that the combined value of the present IPL and BCCI rights deal(expires this year) is in close to 1.7bn USD.ECB can only dream of matching this deal let alone surpass the next deal that will be signed for 2018 to 2022 cycle. The deal that UK is trying to cut for itself is Pound 1.25bn thats $1.5bn.Still less than what BCCI made in its last cycle.In the next cycle BCCI is going to make even more money.

India is as big a economy as UK in Dollar terms.Many believe India has already surpassed UK as a economy in nominal terms.In PPP terms India is already far ahead of UK.

Sponsors give their money to advertise their products.So that people buy that product.Guess which country is the biggest economy in cricket?INDIA. Pakistan/BD/SA etc are small economies. Australia is half the economy of India and has sports like Aussie rules football etc competing for the same market.UK is as big as India or may be sligtly smaller,but cricket isnt the primary sport there.That leaves India where a huge economy is mainly invested in one game and that is cricket.So whoever is sponsoring wants a pie of the huge Indian market.Without that the value of sponsorship falls.

India generating 70% of the revenues is a fact that ICC relayed in 2014.Ask them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

By all means BCB isn't BCCI's lapdog. BCCI hasn't does any favor that other cricket boards haven't done. Especially Lanka and Pakistan.

BCB is just trying to be in good terms. I am trying to decipher what papon really meant by the statement.

I think what he hinted was that BCCI getting richer is good for cricket overall as India has the fanbase. Here of course the true fault lies with pathetic ICC. They have not been able to take cricket to other parts of the world. We have Ireland and Afghanistan emerge in the last 10 years but that's it. And we have seen west indies and Zimbabwe go down big. Surplus is absolutely minimal in terms of fanbase.

Please don't give me the nonsense of those little things ICC is doing to spresd the game. I don't know what ICC is doing in Somalia or Nigeria or PNG. I care about what's in front of me. What's in front of me is that we have a world cup which only gets smaller. Now you Tell me in such a situation boards are somewhat reliant on the money from Indian cricket fans and of course fans elsewhere. Now Indian fans mske up 50 percent of the world's​ cricket fanbase and many of these people are not just supporters but die hard fan mainly because they don't have other sources of national pride.

Really?It may be true for BD.It surely isnt true for India.Try again.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

India generating 70% of the revenues is a fact that ICC relayed in 2014.Ask them.

Problem is if you ask the ICC they don't have the calculations or the receipts to prove it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Problem is if you ask the ICC they don't have the calculations or the receipts to prove it.

Problem is you or me dont have the locus standii to demand such documents.

 

[Ph_11]

People need to understand the board that contributes the most cannot be kept away. Only people who welcomed it were naive and haters.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Problem is you or me dont have the locus standii to demand such documents.

Well you just asked someone to ask the ICC for it.

But according to a journalist the documents don't exist or they were never shared by Srinivasan back in 2014 with the other heads. That is credible because if if were BCCI/COA's argument would be "here are the receipts showing 70%" instead of simply saying "2016 plan isn't based on any formula".

When you refuse to share or even mention evidence that supports you, the only logical explanation is that it doesn't exist.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Really?It may be true for BD.It surely isnt true for India.Try again.

He didn't mean that you don't have any,may be he meant in sports.

 

[Executioner]

Really?It may be true for BD.It surely isnt true for India.Try again.

Can you list sources of national pride for other nations ?

Sorry I mean national pride in sports.

While it's true India and subcontinental teams are good in other sports but cricket is something which seems to be something of big interest to the fans.

However if you ask me modern day people are more into football than cricket but subcontinental sides are not upto the mark. Fair to say if football teams of Bangladesh or India were top sides then cricket would not even one quarter of the national obsession it is in the subcontinent.

 

[Ph_11]

Sorry I mean national pride in sports.

While it's true India and subcontinental teams are good in other sports but cricket is something which seems to be something of big interest to the fans.

However if you ask me modern day people are more into football than cricket but subcontinental sides are not upto the mark. Fair to say if football teams of Bangladesh or India were top sides then cricket would not even one quarter of the national obsession it is in the subcontinent.

I think it is a matter of time football takes over. Cricket will die a slow natural death.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I think it is a matter of time football takes over. Cricket will die a slow natural death.

Cricket is already dead in Zimbabwe and Kenya, and half dead in West Indies. Sri Lanka and Pakistan may follow them soon

 

[Syed1]

Cricket is already dead in Zimbabwe and Kenya, and half dead in West Indies. Sri Lanka and Pakistan may follow them soon

We don't have a sport to fall back onto.. cricket will rule the roost for the time being. Although more kids play football these days than gully cricket.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Cricket is already dead in Zimbabwe and Kenya, and half dead in West Indies. Sri Lanka and Pakistan may follow them soon

Nope. It won't happen in Pak for some time for some reasons

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Cricket will thrive in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Nepal. It will probably scrape by in Sri Lanka.

England and Australia will always manage to do well.

South Africa could go either way, West Indies might have a resurgence. No idea about New Zealand.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Cricket will die? Means a time will come when people in India and Pakistan won't watch an Indo-Pak World Cup match and would rather spend be glory hunting about Tottenham Hotspurs v/s Everton.

I seriously don't expect desis to become so stupid chasing glories in a foreign league with whom they have no connection.

 

[Ph_11]

Test cricket is already dead. The empire is doing its best to keep it alive. T20 will be just fine. Whatever remains will thrive in India. Pak and BD

 

[dildildalwalla]

Nice try with the Indian flag.

The money generated by ICC matches shown in India goes to ICC and is then distributed to its members.SO no the money doesnt stay in India.

ECB doesnt make more money than BCCI from its TV rights deal.BCCI's current deal is worth close to 700mn(excluding the IPL TV deal) which will expire in 2017-18. So anything ECB will sign BCCI will beat that by some distance.

Do you know that the combined value of the present IPL and BCCI rights deal(expires this year) is in close to 1.7bn USD.ECB can only dream of matching this deal let alone surpass the next deal that will be signed for 2018 to 2022 cycle. The deal that UK is trying to cut for itself is Pound 1.25bn thats $1.5bn.Still less than what BCCI made in its last cycle.In the next cycle BCCI is going to make even more money.

India is as big a economy as UK in Dollar terms.Many believe India has already surpassed UK as a economy in nominal terms.In PPP terms India is already far ahead of UK.

Sponsors give their money to advertise their products.So that people buy that product.Guess which country is the biggest economy in cricket?INDIA. Pakistan/BD/SA etc are small economies. Australia is half the economy of India and has sports like Aussie rules football etc competing for the same market.UK is as big as India or may be sligtly smaller,but cricket isnt the primary sport there.That leaves India where a huge economy is mainly invested in one game and that is cricket.So whoever is sponsoring wants a pie of the huge Indian market.Without that the value of sponsorship falls.

India generating 70% of the revenues is a fact that ICC relayed in 2014.Ask them.

again, you lot keep lying and I keep calling you out on it.

First off, I said any money from Indian match tv rights stay in India, I didn't say anything about ICC events. They work differently.

Second, the Indian TV irghst are not worth 700 million dollars, unless you mean rupees , which comes to 7 million pounds (approximately) that's less than teh ECB by miles. The ECB will be signing a 1.5 billion deal in the future, that takes it into champions league level. Again, stop lying.

Again, lied baout the IPL deal. (Also, even if its true, that money does not go to the ICC)

And no, India has not surpassed the uK in GDP but that is irrelevant to this conversations.

Your final paragraph is irrelevant.

Next time, I'd advise you to post sources for your information.

ANother liar debunked.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Cricket needs to be run by an impartial body like football is. Otherwise we have these scenarios where other boards are bullied into submission and blackmailing tactics,bribes.

Desis by nature are corrupt and jigonistic, this model doesn't work. It only took 2 years for it to breakdown.

Scrap big 3 concept and introduce fifa like body where all other boards must take the lead from. Equal matches for all home and away and then we can say these rankings mean something. Right now India think they are no1 when they havn't even played Pakistan in a series in more than 10 years.

This is how you destroy a sport. ECB has seen the light and I would rather trust them to run cricket as a last resort than BCCI and their political narratives and corruption.

 

[princeuk]

Cricket needs to be run by an impartial body like football is. Otherwise we have these scenarios where other boards are bullied into submission and blackmailing tactics,bribes.

Desis by nature are corrupt and jigonistic, this model doesn't work. It only took 2 years for it to breakdown.

Scrap big 3 concept and introduce fifa like body where all other boards must take the lead from. Equal matches for all home and away and then we can say these rankings mean something. Right now India think they are no1 when they havn't even played Pakistan in a series in more than 10 years.

This is how you destroy a sport. ECB has seen the light and I would rather trust them to run cricket as a last resort than BCCI and their political narratives and corruption.

I agree with this as it means that an Independent governing body would look after the interests of WORLD cricket rather than one or two countries. People are saying cricket is dying cos India don't want the likes of the smaller nations like Ireland to survive, the smaller teams don't get much of a chance to play, they can't see that they are killing cricket overall

 

[Ph_11]

Cricket needs to be run by an impartial body like football is. Otherwise we have these scenarios where other boards are bullied into submission and blackmailing tactics,bribes.

Desis by nature are corrupt and jigonistic, this model doesn't work. It only took 2 years for it to breakdown.

Scrap big 3 concept and introduce fifa like body where all other boards must take the lead from. Equal matches for all home and away and then we can say these rankings mean something. Right now India think they are no1 when they havn't even played Pakistan in a series in more than 10 years.

This is how you destroy a sport. ECB has seen the light and I would rather trust them to run cricket as a last resort than BCCI and their political narratives and corruption.

Why should there be equal matches? If I dont want to play you why do you force that on me. You want to steal my money that is why.

 

[Messiah]

Well bcb is being clever knowing where the power lies. LOL at people talking about having some moral high ground because of not "sucking up." Clearly some people here havent been exposed much to the outside world. Anyways I hope PCP becomes more diplomatic too in the future

 

[Ph_11]

Well bcb is being clever knowing where the power lies. LOL at people talking about having some moral high ground because of not "sucking up." Clearly some people here havent been exposed much to the outside world. Anyways I hope PCP becomes more diplomatic too in the future

BCB does not have to suck up to anyone. They are self sustaing board abd it shows on their balance sheets and their cricket team. People need to quit treating them like kids. They can beat any team on a given day.

They are perfectly right in stating that only way forward is an equitable solution. You cannot have a solution where you call a meeting and do not include India. That is back stabbing and it is a shame that Pakistani fans are not taking a moral stand against it.

BCB has the most pragmatic approach not driven by hate.

 

[Pete Rose]

Cricket needs to be run by an impartial body like football is. Otherwise we have these scenarios where other boards are bullied into submission and blackmailing tactics,bribes.

Desis by nature are corrupt and jigonistic, this model doesn't work. It only took 2 years for it to breakdown.

Scrap big 3 concept and introduce fifa like body where all other boards must take the lead from. Equal matches for all home and away and then we can say these rankings mean something. Right now India think they are no1 when they havn't even played Pakistan in a series in more than 10 years.

This is how you destroy a sport. ECB has seen the light and I would rather trust them to run cricket as a last resort than BCCI and their political narratives and corruption.

Can I have one concrete tangible that has been worsened because of the big three.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

again, you lot keep lying and I keep calling you out on it.

First off, I said any money from Indian match tv rights stay in India, I didn't say anything about ICC events. They work differently.

Second, the Indian TV irghst are not worth 700 million dollars, unless you mean rupees , which comes to 7 million pounds (approximately) that's less than teh ECB by miles. The ECB will be signing a 1.5 billion deal in the future, that takes it into champions league level. Again, stop lying.

Again, lied baout the IPL deal. (Also, even if its true, that money does not go to the ICC)

And no, India has not surpassed the uK in GDP but that is irrelevant to this conversations.

Your final paragraph is irrelevant.

Next time, I'd advise you to post sources for your information.

ANother liar debunked.

I had taken CJ's word on the GDP thing, but after your post I looked it up and the PPP numbers are misleading when you see that Indonesia is also ahead of France and the UK.

And Bangladesh is ahead of Switzerland.

Not to mention PPP is really only relevant for entities within a country, as soon as you start trading on the internaitonal market its only the nominal value that counts. At least directly...I'm not an economist, but I guess PPP is tied to exchange rates which would have some indirect effect.

 

[kdoversmg]

Second, the Indian TV irghst are not worth 700 million dollars, unless you mean rupees , which comes to 7 million pounds (approximately) that's less than teh ECB by miles. The ECB will be signing a 1.5 billion deal in the future, that takes it into champions league level. Again, stop lying.

Indian TV rights for 7 million? the link below is from back in 2010. It is possible that Indian market has gone down and BCCI doesn't have as much power as it in 2010. It is not like they bulldozed over the boards in 2014 or anything. oh, wait....


http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/444304.html

Nimbus Communications, one of India's leading television marketing companies, has been awarded rights to India's home domestic and international games for four years. Nimbus and the BCCI had, in October, entered an agreement valued at approximately Rs.2000 crore (US$436 million), for a minimum of 64 international matches and 312 days of domestic cricket until 2014. The deal has now been finalised, following Nimbus furnishing a bank guarantee for the agreement amount to the BCCI.

Shashank Manohar, the president of the BCCI, said: "The BCCI is pleased to extend its partnership with Nimbus by entering into this agreement till 2014. Nimbus has been the BCCI's Global Media Rights partner since 2006 and has, in this period, licensed our events for broadcast to hundreds of millions of cricket fans worldwide."

Nimbus also held the broadcasting rights for the previous four years, for which it paid US$612 million - subsequently negotiated to US$549 million - in February 2006.