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If India lose to Bangladesh tommorow, will it force the BCCI to finally act?

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Since the appointment of Rahul Dravid, Indian team has had a poor run.

Lost series in SA

Failed to reach finals in Asia
Failed to reach finals in WT20
Test match loss to ODI series loss to BD

The team management has received wide spread criticism for poor selection and for being defensive. Yet they have refused to change.

BCCI finally seemed to act when it looked like they will sack the selection committee. Applications were called for the post of selectors on 18th November. More than a month has passed and no new committee has been appointed. Even interviews haven't taken place. Murmurs emerging seems to suggest that bcci may just fill the two existing vacancies and keep the other three. No one knows what is happening.

If Bangladesh beat India tommorow, will it finally force the BCCI to take drastic measures?

Will they finally end the disastrous regime of Rahul Dravid?

Will new selectors and a new coaching team be appointed?

As India gets ready to face Australia, if changes are not made, India may well lose its 1st test series at home in 10 years.
 
I don't think India will lose. Just 100 more runs to go.

It may get very close though.

Either way, India have been in decline for a while now.
 
All depends on Pant tomorrow.

But India made a mistake going with Dravid. They need to change ASAP as they are falling behind England in all formats.
 
sweep_shot said:
I don't think India will lose. Just 100 more runs to go.

It may get very close though.

Either way, India have been in decline for a while now.
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That while started after England series last year. So it has been mainly under Dravid.
 
India's test match batting starts from no.5 these days.

In last test, after a good lead at end of 1st inning, Gill and Pujara just cashed on some easy runs in second inning but otherwise it has been Pant, Iyer and Jadeja(when fit) doing well for India.
 
Since 2015,India has won a grand total of 1 match, chasing 140 plus in the 4th innings.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
All depends on Pant tomorrow.

But India made a mistake going with Dravid. They need to change ASAP as they are falling behind England in all formats.
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Dravid is a defensive and bull headed person. Its his way or highway.

Rumour has it that when the chief selector tried to talk to him regarding some selection during the T20WC in Australia, Dravid banished him from the team practice sessions and he was asked to observe from afar.
 
Why did they go with Dravid? I’d have thought he is better suited for the younger teams / academy, I believe he was already working with that bunch?

It’s always easier to say this afterwards though. International coaching requires proven high level experience or someone with a big personality / awareness to get the best out of others, Shahstri maybe wasn’t experienced but he knew what he was doing and how to deal with big ego’s and get the most out of them
 
cricketjoshila said:
Dravid is a defensive and bull headed person. Its his way or highway.

Rumour has it that when the chief selector tried to talk to him regarding some selection during the T20WC in Australia, Dravid banished him from the team practice sessions and he was asked to observe from afar.
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Lol at rumour? Do you believe in rumours? You always cry about confirmed sources so why should others believe in your rumours? Kindly paste a source here. :inti
 
cricketjoshila said:
Since 2015,India has won a grand total of 1 match, chasing 140 plus in the 4th innings.
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And the 1 which they did win had Pant as its architect who is yet to bat in this chase. So I think India still would be able to get across the line. History is stacked up against BD and they wilt when they get close to the finishing line.

But I actually think, the Indian team doesn't look very strong at all in tests. Their batting seems very brittle and I was surprised to see that KL Rahul average is even below 35. I know that Dravid is kinda his godfather since the U-19 days so as long as he is in charge, KL might keep getting a longer rope but really this guy has under-achieved big time.

I think Gill is potentially the best batsman in India as far as test cricket is concerned and for India's sake, it would be a disaster if they don't stick with him.

I have never seen some of the A-team guys like Easwaran, Sarfaraz so cant comment how good they are.

Have seen Jaiswal once or twice and he seemed a great talent as well. So Jaiswal and Gill at the top of the order would go a long way towards fixing India's batting issues at the top of the order.

Pujara, I am undecided if he still is valuable. But he was instrumental in Australia and deserves at least a year more.
 
Seen Sheen said:
And the 1 which they did win had Pant as its architect who is yet to bat in this chase. So I think India still would be able to get across the line. History is stacked up against BD and they wilt when they get close to the finishing line.

But I actually think, the Indian team doesn't look very strong at all in tests. Their batting seems very brittle and I was surprised to see that KL Rahul average is even below 35. I know that Dravid is kinda his godfather since the U-19 days so as long as he is in charge, KL might keep getting a longer rope but really this guy has under-achieved big time.

I think Gill is potentially the best batsman in India as far as test cricket is concerned and for India's sake, it would be a disaster if they don't stick with him.

I have never seen some of the A-team guys like Easwaran, Sarfaraz so cant comment how good they are.

Have seen Jaiswal once or twice and he seemed a great talent as well. So Jaiswal and Gill at the top of the order would go a long way towards fixing India's batting issues at the top of the order.

Pujara, I am undecided if he still is valuable. But he was instrumental in Australia and deserves at least a year more.
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Gill has also not shown much but I agree now that it is better to pick him than KL Rahul. Rahul has been the biggest scam.
 
Seen Sheen said:
And the 1 which they did win had Pant as its architect who is yet to bat in this chase. So I think India still would be able to get across the line. History is stacked up against BD and they wilt when they get close to the finishing line.

But I actually think, the Indian team doesn't look very strong at all in tests. Their batting seems very brittle and I was surprised to see that KL Rahul average is even below 35. I know that Dravid is kinda his godfather since the U-19 days so as long as he is in charge, KL might keep getting a longer rope but really this guy has under-achieved big time.

I think Gill is potentially the best batsman in India as far as test cricket is concerned and for India's sake, it would be a disaster if they don't stick with him.

I have never seen some of the A-team guys like Easwaran, Sarfaraz so cant comment how good they are.

Have seen Jaiswal once or twice and he seemed a great talent as well. So Jaiswal and Gill at the top of the order would go a long way towards fixing India's batting issues at the top of the order.

Pujara, I am undecided if he still is valuable. But he was instrumental in Australia and deserves at least a year more.
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KL has no place in the team anymore and he has been given enough chances.If Dravid wont drop him, the selectors must.

The likes of Gill,Shaw etc need to be given chances now. Sarfaraz has astonishing stats in FC. But he is a middle order batsman. Jaiswal or Dhull still need a season or two to mature.

Problem is that the good years of youngsters are being wasted due to this team management sticking to old failures. Look at Kuldeep Yadav, 28 and only 8 tests. Same way they wasted a couple of years of Siraj.
 
India will win this.

Bangladesh are not a bad side at home, especially in Mirpur but the Indians should chase it comfortably.
 
India does not have the guts to put Kohli on notice. The man has been riding for free for too long. Same goes for KL Rahul too. He does not deserve a place in the team let alone captain it.

But we all know. BCCI is always about big names. Not performances. We have seen Dhoni drag his career for 5 extra years costing India a lot of tournaments. Now it’s the turn of Kohli, Rohit and even KL.
 
india will win, pant will score a quick fire 40 odd and run india home.

as far as the larger picture goes, india has had a golden generation of fast bowlers who have helped to hide the fact this generation of batsman is technically inferior to the golden generation batters.

also having jaddu and ashwin in the squad over the last decade is like playing with 12 men given their all round contributions.

batting not withstanding this was indias atg combo with world class spinners, keepers, quicks and all rounders. i dont see the following generation having a similar impact, which will expose the weakness of the batting.

its crazy some of first class stats players on the outside run up, I'm guessing indian selectors dont rate first class stats.
 
Superstar favoritism will not come to an end with the loss. But a loss is definitely needed to start the proceeding of kicking out Dravid. You could see this coming from a mile away. Current Indian top order will struggle against spin bowling from almost all the state side. They are that bad. So surrendering completely without fight against BD is no surprise. If Pant bails them out they will act as if nothing happened. So something significant has to occurr to shake this seniority system.
 
Why is it Dravid getting all the blame and not Rohit? Previously, it was Kohli who copped a lot of flak, more so than Shastri did, but now the coach is to be blamed?
 
No need to get personal with each other - stick to the topic.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Why is it Dravid getting all the blame and not Rohit? Previously, it was Kohli who copped a lot of flak, more so than Shastri did, but now the coach is to be blamed?
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Rohit is not playing. He is injured.

Dravid is too timid for modern day cut-throat cricket. His brand of cricket belongs in the previous decade.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Since 2015,India has won a grand total of 1 match, chasing 140 plus in the 4th innings.
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If this happens today,oh yaaa .....

Both the Indians and Bangladeshis for the first time will want an Indian loss I see. Because this loss will lead to farewell of Dravid, Kohli,Rohit .
 
100 runs is still farely easy to get on this pitch . For the loss of 3 or 4 wickets more. A win by 3 or 4 wickets at the end. This pitch isn't a rank turner or dustbowl like what Indian pitches were when Amla and Co of SA visited India in 2015 as I remember.
 
sweep_shot said:
Rohit is not playing. He is injured.

Dravid is too timid for modern day cut-throat cricket. His brand of cricket belongs in the previous decade.
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Rohit is still the Indian Captain.

Dravid's main strength is developing and nurturing talent so India A and u19 are his best suited positions. At the highest level, tactics and team composition are of great value.
 
TBF there is no Bumrah or Shami and guys like Virat Kohli hasn't scored runs against anyone in years.. So Dravid will get benefit of the doubt, plus Bangladesh is due to for their 1 rare odd meaningful win for the decade..
 
Romali_rotti said:
TBF there is no Bumrah or Shami and guys like Virat Kohli hasn't scored runs against anyone in years.. So Dravid will get benefit of the doubt, plus Bangladesh is due to for their 1 rare odd meaningful win for the decade..
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Bangladesh do not care about Test much be it fans or players. ODI is the main format and BD got the desired series win. If they win this Test, that's like a bonus.

Bumrah is unlikely to be effective on dust bowl Mirpur.
 
India will win , they have main batsmen still there , Bangladesh lost the game when they could score 227 in first innings , should have got 300.
 
sweep_shot said:
Bangladesh do not care about Test much be it fans or players. ODI is the main format and BD got the desired series win. If they win this Test, that's like a bonus.

Bumrah is unlikely to be effective on dust bowl Mirpur.
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Bumrah wouldve ended the game a lot
earlier, its Bangladeshi batsman after all..
 
sweep_shot said:
Bangladesh do not care about Test much be it fans or players. ODI is the main format and BD got the desired series win. If they win this Test, that's like a bonus.

Bumrah is unlikely to be effective on dust bowl Mirpur.
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BD need to find 1 or 2 more quality batsmen to phase out old Rahim and replace Shanto may be. Their spin bowling attack is world class and Shoriful, Ebadot, Khaled and Taskin are good prospects.
 
SamNJ said:
BD need to find 1 or 2 more quality batsmen to phase out old Rahim and replace Shanto may be. Their spin bowling attack is world class and Shoriful, Ebadot, Khaled and Taskin are good prospects.
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Yeah having a system in place is more important. I would rather have BD perform well against lower ranked sides like WI/SL/Afg in Test than to see them have a shock win in NZ or versus Ind.

It's not so much that BD don't care about test cricket, they were just never very good at it. It's hard and takes years of domestic system in place before you can even think about doing well.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Bumrah wouldve ended the game a lot
earlier, its Bangladeshi batsman after all..
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Okay if you say so.

This is a ground where likes of Shaheen, Cummins etc. didn't have a good time. It is generally always spinners who do well in Mirpur.

Where is Bumrah, BTW? Getting ready for IPL?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Since 2015,India has won a grand total of 1 match, chasing 140 plus in the 4th innings.
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India is on a decline, however, this piece of stats is a bit misleading as it also includes times India failed to chase 250+, which is never easy.

Another way to look at it is, India successfully chased a target of under 200 6 times out of 7 since 2016 (Exception being when we failed to chase 194 in England in 2018).

Make it 7/8 after today’s game.
 
Romali_rotti said:
TBF there is no Bumrah or Shami and guys like Virat Kohli hasn't scored runs against anyone in years.. So Dravid will get benefit of the doubt, plus Bangladesh is due to for their 1 rare odd meaningful win for the decade..
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If Dravid has any shame, he would resign.

And that Vikram Rathore needs to thrown so far from the bcci that even GPS wouldn't find the way back.
 
sweep_shot said:
Okay if you say so.

This is a ground where likes of Shaheen, Cummins etc. didn't have a good time. It is generally always spinners who do well in Mirpur.

Where is Bumrah, BTW? Getting ready for IPL?
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Getting ready for much important border gawakar trophy which start in February .
 
KingKhanWC said:
Bangladesh will win, Indian batters remaining have little experience and will bottle it. :babar
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India are too good especially in these conditions.

They are a fantastic test side.

Winning on this surface by 3 wickets is like winning by 5-6 wickets anywhere else.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If Dravid has any shame, he would resign.

And that Vikram Rathore needs to thrown so far from the bcci that even GPS wouldn't find the way back.
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You are too anti Dravid because you wanted him to select a scattergun fast bowler in T20s.

Since then you have been pushing an anti Dravid agenda.

He has inherited a team where many players were champions but now at the part of their career where things start to go downhill.

Give him some time to make changes.
 
Iyer/Ashwin bailed them out from answering why Kuldeep was dropped. He hardly gets to play tests. Playing after a while. He took 8 wickets and made 40 runs. He gets dropped. How will he develop as a bowler?
 
Trusting defense is the sound coming from the team management generally. The guys who played well on this pitch had all SRs better than 50. Seems like this nonsense is gonna continue.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You are too anti Dravid because you wanted him to select a scattergun fast bowler in T20s.

Since then you have been pushing an anti Dravid agenda.

He has inherited a team where many players were champions but now at the part of their career where things start to go downhill.

Give him some time to make changes.
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Lol. Except his coterie no one thinks Dravid is doing ok. Fans Journalists commies all are critical of him.

So what has he done to replace downhill players?

Kept Dhawan in ODIs? Keep BK and Patel in T20is? Play KL Rahul and Axar? Drop Kuldeep?

Which scattergun fast bowler?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Since the appointment of Rahul Dravid, Indian team has had a poor run.

Lost series in SA

Failed to reach finals in Asia
Failed to reach finals in WT20
Test match loss to ODI series loss to BD

The team management has received wide spread criticism for poor selection and for being defensive. Yet they have refused to change.

BCCI finally seemed to act when it looked like they will sack the selection committee. Applications were called for the post of selectors on 18th November. More than a month has passed and no new committee has been appointed. Even interviews haven't taken place. Murmurs emerging seems to suggest that bcci may just fill the two existing vacancies and keep the other three. No one knows what is happening.

If Bangladesh beat India tommorow, will it finally force the BCCI to take drastic measures?

Will they finally end the disastrous regime of Rahul Dravid?

Will new selectors and a new coaching team be appointed?

As India gets ready to face Australia, if changes are not made, India may well lose its 1st test series at home in 10 years.
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So i mentioned this on 24th December. Today media reports say that Chetan Sharma and Harvinder Singh are likely to be retained and bcci will only fill the 3 vacancies. Knew this is likely to happen. They have already started leaking excuses. The real reason is they are under pressure from team management.
 
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