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Title says it all. If you could change only one thing from the past, what would it be? It could be something political or sports related. You can also share that how changing that would make a difference in present.
 
Deny Christopher Columbus the financial support that he eventually obtained for making his first voyage across the Atlantic.

Or

Find a way to make the East India Company go bust soon after it was formed.
 
For me, it would be preventing 9/11. World would be a different place if that didn't happen specially Pakistan and other fellow Muslim countries.
 
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Prevent the Objectives Resolution from being passed.
 
Ensure the Brits stay long enough to distribute all the states in British India between India and Pakistan as per the agreed formula.

Also make sure that the Pakistani constitution is passed ASAP and military takeover is deemed as treason against the state and unjustifiable under any circumstance.
 
military takeover is deemed as treason against the state and unjustifiable under any circumstance.

Already is and always has been an act of treason in Pakistan except during dictatorships when the constitution was suspended(which itself is legally an act of treason). Lack of legal action on this front is not because of absence of relevant laws.
 
Already is and always has been an act of treason in Pakistan except during dictatorships when the constitution was suspended(which itself is legally an act of treason). Lack of legal action on this front is not because of absence of relevant laws.

The takeovers have been justified under "Nazriya-e-zarurat" by our lovely Judiciary. I was hinting at curbing the powers of the SC to justify this treasonous act.
 
I wish Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels had died in their childhood.

Socialism, and its child, communism are the biggest curses ever to have been thrown on mankind.
 
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The takeovers have been justified under "Nazriya-e-zarurat" by our lovely Judiciary. I was hinting at curbing the powers of the SC to justify this treasonous act.

That's a slippery slope because clipping the judiciary's wings leaves space open for people like Nawaz to do what they do even more fearlessly. The institution that needs its wings clipped is the one that orchestrated the coups but unfortunately the only elected leader who was ever in a position to do so strengthened them instead for his personal ambition and ended up getting executed by a kangaroo court on a dictator's orders. Irony is a mean leveler.
 
Only football mad colonials had landed in India and they left all their cricket equipment back in England.
 
Prevent the purge of thousands of eligible African-Americans from the voter roll in Florida so that Al Gore won the 2000 election and save the world from the George W. Bush presidency including the Iraq War that has devastated the Middle East and killed thousands of lives.

I'll sneak in UK one too - James Callaghan should've called an election in the autumn of 1978 instead of bottling it. Could've prevented 11 years of Thatcherism.
 
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Prevent the early death of Muhammad Ali Jinnah. We would have been a great country today had he lived a few years more.
 
Awesome. There would not have been any Humans if Dinos were still alive. Mammals were mouse like animals hiding in holes from predatory Bird like Dinosuars.

:facepalm: Mice still exist, we would still be here. Since humans are far superior and we would have found a way to eliminate dinosaurs or at least vastly reduce their power.
 
Would have prevented from the Brits from stepping their foot in the subcontinent.
 
I wish Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels had died in their childhood.

Socialism, and its child, communism are the biggest curses ever to have been thrown on mankind.

If it were not them - socialism would have arisen through another source/movement.

Its idealogymovement was rooted in the labor/lower class's struggles in the 19th century and subsequent poverty in Central Europe - anyone could have started that ideology given the conditions at that time.
 
Ensure the Brits stay long enough to distribute all the states in British India between India and Pakistan as per the agreed formula.

Also make sure that the Pakistani constitution is passed ASAP and military takeover is deemed as treason against the state and unjustifiable under any circumstance.

Bhai please explain why?

If anything - democracy has only led to corruption in Pakistan whilst our economic standards and growth have always prospered under military rule either under Ayub Khan or Musharraf.

I would rather live under a dictator in a thriving and progressive country rather than democracy which promises "freedom" and "empowerment ... SMH.
 
Either prevent 9/11, prevent Nawaz from becoming President, Zardari from becoming President, preventing the Peshawar attack, preventing Misbah from being himself in 2007 final, prevent Hussey's onslaught, or prevent Mohali.
 
If really wish I could just erase all the riots and killings that happened in the world in the name of God ...
 
Prevent Akbar from cheating the chaks and chaining kashmir for centuries to come.
 
ill go back to the start and club the first human to death.

and if you believe that everything happened by evolution, i'd keep throwing those fish back to water. Preferably build a little wall so no one could step out and just not let humans happen.
 
Prevent Akbar from cheating the chaks and chaining kashmir for centuries to come.

This is a myth lots of Kashmiris believe in.although chak resisted multiple times with winter also playing a helping hand,he was ultimately defeated by mughal forces at the battle of poonch.the story that akbar invited him to his darbar and then imprisoned him is totally false.
 
ill go back to the start and club the first human to death.

and if you believe that everything happened by evolution, i'd keep throwing those fish back to water. Preferably build a little wall so no one could step out and just not let humans happen.

But the moment you club the first human to death, you'll cease to exist, since the first human would've been your ancestor. If you don't exist, you wouldn't be able to go back to club the first human to death, but then that first human would live on, have a few million generations worth of descendants, including you, and you would go back and club him to death, and you would cease to exist again, and on and on and on. This loop exists because you'll have to go back in time to do all this.

Its probably not worth the trouble to be honest, being stuck in this loop ad infinitum, that too one which is millions of years long.
 
Of course if the first human had already had children by the time he was clubbed to death, you would have two choices. Either acknowledge the futile nature of the murder, since that ancestor already had descendants and ended up being brutally murdered for no reason, or go on a rampage and club all of his descendants to death too, to achieve the desired result. The latter option is too gory for my tastes.
 
9/11 The World was never The same after this. Bush and The Company has destroyed The World sadly for all The human kind.
 
But the moment you club the first human to death, you'll cease to exist, since the first human would've been your ancestor. If you don't exist, you wouldn't be able to go back to club the first human to death, but then that first human would live on, have a few million generations worth of descendants, including you, and you would go back and club him to death, and you would cease to exist again, and on and on and on. This loop exists because you'll have to go back in time to do all this.

Its probably not worth the trouble to be honest, being stuck in this loop ad infinitum, that too one which is millions of years long.

No. It will not happen like that. The timeline will split exactly at the same moment I club the first human to death. Thus there will a parallel timeline, free of humans that will continue to prosper. Split timelines to the rescue :))
 
No. It will not happen like that. The timeline will split exactly at the same moment I club the first human to death. Thus there will a parallel timeline, free of humans that will continue to prosper. Split timelines to the rescue :))

If you kill the first human, you yourself won't exist to carry out the task. :afridi
 
If you kill the first human, you yourself won't exist to carry out the task. :afridi

As I said, this is how it will happen. I'll go back in time and eradicate the first human. Thus creating a paradox. However since I've already existed, the current timeline will continue to exist but at the same moment, an alternate timeline will start to exist where there wont be any humans.

That rift in time or alternate reality will continue to exist without human interaction.

Nostalgic claimed that the first human will have children by that point and to counter that, no the first human hasn't got chance to procreate as of now. This is the kinda event where the first human is yet to procreate or reproduce or find a mate. And as I said if we go by evolution, this is the point where the sentient beings are yet to evolve to a higher greater stage. Right before that. That is the exact point of my choice.

So yes, there will be a reality that will continue to work unaffected as in now, but there will also be a timeline void of any human life form where the ecosystem will continue to work on its own.

There is also a certain perpetuity about my wish as it's not a one time event. In the alternate timeline that I've created, if human life sprouts again, I'll get to squish it again, and again.

A cyclical paradox and a perpetual wish to keep the universe clean of human form.

Weird concept to explain but still ...
 
As I said, this is how it will happen. I'll go back in time and eradicate the first human. Thus creating a paradox. However since I've already existed, the current timeline will continue to exist but at the same moment, an alternate timeline will start to exist where there wont be any humans.

That rift in time or alternate reality will continue to exist without human interaction.

Nostalgic claimed that the first human will have children by that point and to counter that, no the first human hasn't got chance to procreate as of now. This is the kinda event where the first human is yet to procreate or reproduce or find a mate. And as I said if we go by evolution, this is the point where the sentient beings are yet to evolve to a higher greater stage. Right before that. That is the exact point of my choice.

So yes, there will be a reality that will continue to work unaffected as in now, but there will also be a timeline void of any human life form where the ecosystem will continue to work on its own.

There is also a certain perpetuity about my wish as it's not a one time event. In the alternate timeline that I've created, if human life sprouts again, I'll get to squish it again, and again.

A cyclical paradox and a perpetual wish to keep the universe clean of human form.

Weird concept to explain but still ...

Time travel doesn't work that way. "Rifts" and alternate timelines do not exist. Each infinitesimally small unit of time exists as an entity in one, and only one, linear sequence, each unit repeating itself, each unit directly leading to the next.

I should know, I travel through time all day. Granted, I'm always moving forward, never back, but how different could it be, really?
 
Time travel doesn't work that way. "Rifts" and alternate timelines do not exist. Each infinitesimally small unit of time exists as an entity in one, and only one, linear sequence, each unit repeating itself, each unit directly leading to the next.

I should know, I travel through time all day. Granted, I'm always moving forward, never back, but how different could it be, really?

The moment you go back, everything changes. Every. Single. Thing.

So there is that.

Idk which dimension time is, but when you go back, the amalgam that is created involving gravity, and all that becomes very complex to explain hence there are rifts, alternate realities etc etc etc.
 
The moment you go back, everything changes. Every. Single. Thing.

So there is that.

Idk which dimension time is, but when you go back, the amalgam that is created involving gravity, and all that becomes very complex to explain hence there are rifts, alternate realities etc etc etc.

Time is the seventh dimension. The seven dimensions of an event are length, width, height, gravity, speed of light, state of mind, the unknown variable commonly known as the x-factor, and time.
 
Time is the seventh dimension. The seven dimensions of an event are length, width, height, gravity, speed of light, state of mind, the unknown variable commonly known as the x-factor, and time.

Time is the 4th dimension.

Gravity and speed of light are not dimensions (speed is distance over time so it is a vector from the first 3 dimensions divided by time)
 
This is a myth lots of Kashmiris believe in.although chak resisted multiple times with winter also playing a helping hand,he was ultimately defeated by mughal forces at the battle of poonch.the story that akbar invited him to his darbar and then imprisoned him is totally false.

I would still like to change the mughal take over from happening.
 
As I said, this is how it will happen. I'll go back in time and eradicate the first human. Thus creating a paradox. However since I've already existed, the current timeline will continue to exist but at the same moment, an alternate timeline will start to exist where there wont be any humans.

That rift in time or alternate reality will continue to exist without human interaction.

Nostalgic claimed that the first human will have children by that point and to counter that, no the first human hasn't got chance to procreate as of now. This is the kinda event where the first human is yet to procreate or reproduce or find a mate. And as I said if we go by evolution, this is the point where the sentient beings are yet to evolve to a higher greater stage. Right before that. That is the exact point of my choice.

So yes, there will be a reality that will continue to work unaffected as in now, but there will also be a timeline void of any human life form where the ecosystem will continue to work on its own.

There is also a certain perpetuity about my wish as it's not a one time event. In the alternate timeline that I've created, if human life sprouts again, I'll get to squish it again, and again.

A cyclical paradox and a perpetual wish to keep the universe clean of human form.

Weird concept to explain but still ...

But humans would still be there in the universe wont they?
 
Time is the 4th dimension.

Gravity and speed of light are not dimensions (speed is distance over time so it is a vector from the first 3 dimensions divided by time)

So speed of light is derived from four other dimensions, which makes it a dimension, because the units are the same: (dimension x dimension x dimension)/dimension, so we measure speed in dimensions cubed per dimension, which is dimension when dimensions tend to infinity, which is the case when the speed in question is the speed of light. We all know how fast light is.

Besides, the speed of light varies wildly inside a black hole, and we can't rule out the event taking place inside that gaping, deathly dark void.
 
So speed of light is derived from four other dimensions, which makes it a dimension, because the units are the same: (dimension x dimension x dimension)/dimension, so we measure speed in dimensions cubed per dimension, which is dimension when dimensions tend to infinity, which is the case when the speed in question is the speed of light. We all know how fast light is.

Besides, the speed of light varies wildly inside a black hole, and we can't rule out the event taking place inside that gaping, deathly dark void.

I am not sure if that logic is right - i.e. if dimensions can be derived from other dimensions.

Besides - check you math again

Dim^3 / Dim = Dim ^2 (definition of time)

so when dimension tends towards infinity so does dimension ^2 (i.e. time).
 
I am not sure if that logic is right - i.e. if dimensions can be derived from other dimensions.

Besides - check you math again

Dim^3 / Dim = Dim ^2 (definition of time)

so when dimension tends towards infinity so does dimension ^2 (i.e. time).

But dimension was just the unit, not the value. Whatever the value the ratio boils down to, the unit will still be the same: dimension.

Trust me, I've done the math on the back of an envelope and it is correct. Besides, we're in a black hole, and that changes everything. Also light travels very fast, something like several billion miles per picosecond or something.
 
Ensure the Brits stay long enough to distribute all the states in British India between India and Pakistan as per the agreed formula.

Also make sure that the Pakistani constitution is passed ASAP and military takeover is deemed as treason against the state and unjustifiable under any circumstance.

Nah! Preventing British from entering the sub-continent at all.... Oh w8 no cricket LOL
 
4th and 5th are Time and Space but both are, ALL is derived from ENERGY which i believe is the most ultimate dimension of all....
 
4th and 5th are Time and Space but both are, ALL is derived from ENERGY which i believe is the most ultimate dimension of all....

We assume time to move forward only by the moving of sun, moon that is all due to energy...
The space around, is bound by limits of energy only....
Black Hole has no or may have time nor/or Space but has the Sucking Energy...
Everything is made up of it,physically,mentally, assumption-ally...

E=mc^2 isnt the right equation...
c=sqrt(E/m) is...
m=E/c^2 si....

I think i went of topic....
 
I have so much energy today, I feel like I'm in an alternate dimension.
 
We assume time to move forward only by the moving of sun, moon that is all due to energy...
The space around, is bound by limits of energy only....
Black Hole has no or may have time nor/or Space but has the Sucking Energy...
Everything is made up of it,physically,mentally, assumption-ally...

E=mc^2 isnt the right equation...
c=sqrt(E/m) is...
m=E/c^2 si....

I think i went of topic....

yes you did but it is okay anyway

I have so much energy today, I feel like I'm in an alternate dimension.

since you are in another dimension, please confirm that we aren't living inside a black hole. thank you.
 
:facepalm: Mice still exist, we would still be here. Since humans are far superior and we would have found a way to eliminate dinosaurs or at least vastly reduce their power.

Without the comet strike, I think the velociraptors would have evolved into the dominant life form, keeping our ape ancestors as pets and food animals.
 
Some very interesting comments here. I was hoping more theories followed up by some strong reasoning. Keep them coming! It's always good to know more about history.
 
Without the comet strike, I think the velociraptors would have evolved into the dominant life form, keeping our ape ancestors as pets and food animals.

Why the velociraptors? Why not some other species? I dont think any other life form could have shown such great adaptability as humans or the preceeding apes.
 
How would I know? I'm in another dimension from where I can't see you.

how much energy do you need to dissipate to create a bridge between these two dimensions.

another event i'd like to stop is the big bang. i do not know if the op really meant people to go that back or to overthink to that extent but since the choice is open, i would like to stop the big bang from happening and then observe a universe that exists, and one that doesn't and see how things work out there.

like what was matter before it was matter, or how energy actually existed before it managed to have enough impetus to actually become what is, and the kind of gravitational pull and the string theory all existing but not really existing.

that'd be a fascinating observation or it could literally be nothing at all.
 
I would not change anything as its already changing too quick for me.

Latest episodes happening in India, where text books are being revised by changing the results of wars.

Recent example: Rajputs are now the winner of a war they previously lost to Mughals.
 
1. Prevent Virat Kohli from touring England in 2013

2. Kidnap Salman Butt before the tour of England in 2010

3. I'd stop Amir Khan from marrying Faryal and leaving Freddie Roach [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Bonus Picks:

Prevent 9/11, prevent India from getting the bigger Pizza slice in the subcontinent and ensure an independent Birmingham kept away from England; a city which remains in the EU, elects [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] as our Prime minister, invests more in education and health care rather then defence (Moeen Ali , KingKhanWC and [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] are more then enough to protect us, FEAR THE BEARDs Indeed) and has an open policy to welcome all of gods children who are in need even Robert and Junaids despite them being from the dark side of the force.
 
1. Prevent Virat Kohli from touring England in 2013

2. Kidnap Salman Butt before the tour of England in 2010

3. I'd stop Amir Khan from marrying Faryal and leaving Freddie Roach [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Bonus Picks:

Prevent 9/11, prevent India from getting the bigger Pizza slice in the subcontinent and ensure an independent Birmingham kept away from England; a city which remains in the EU, elects [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] as our Prime minister, invests more in education and health care rather then defence (Moeen Ali , KingKhanWC and [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] are more then enough to protect us, FEAR THE BEARDs Indeed) and has an open policy to welcome all of gods children who are in need even Robert and Junaids despite them being from the dark side of the force.

True story: My mother found herself sitting next to Amir Khan on a flight to (or from, can't remember) Dubai not long after Breidis Prescott had knocked him out in humiliating fashion. She spent quite a bit of the flight lecturing young Amir and the phainty from my mother had such an effect that not only did he end up helping her with her luggage when the flight landed, but he didn't lose another fight for two or three years because he was scared of what might happen if he ever ran into my mum again :rahat
 
Without the comet strike, I think the velociraptors would have evolved into the dominant life form, keeping our ape ancestors as pets and food animals.

Give me a break.

My geriatric cat could whup a velociraptor with one paw tied behind her back. Deinonychus is a vastly superior dromaeosaurid
 
True story: My mother found herself sitting next to Amir Khan on a flight to (or from, can't remember) Dubai not long after Breidis Prescott had knocked him out in humiliating fashion. She spent quite a bit of the flight lecturing young Amir and the phainty from my mother had such an effect that not only did he end up helping her with her luggage when the flight landed, but he didn't lose another fight for two or three years because he was scared of what might happen if he ever ran into my mum again :rahat

Wow, send my good wishes to your mom :)) she singlehandedly turned Amirs career around, that was the best spell in his career he even stepped in the ring with the ferocious puncher maidana who everyone was avoiding and beat him in addition to guys like Judah, Paulie, Kotelnik and technically Peterson to all these guys were no mugs. Hopefully he bumps into your mom again, we need the Amir of old back!
 
Give me a break.

My geriatric cat could whup a velociraptor with one paw tied behind her back. Deinonychus is a vastly superior dromaeosaurid

I agree, lets say they were still around humans would have figured out how to build a megazord to take them out anyway!

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1. Prevent Virat Kohli from touring England in 2013

2. Kidnap Salman Butt before the tour of England in 2010

3. I'd stop Amir Khan from marrying Faryal and leaving Freddie Roach [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Bonus Picks:

Prevent 9/11, prevent India from getting the bigger Pizza slice in the subcontinent and ensure an independent Birmingham kept away from England; a city which remains in the EU, elects [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] as our Prime minister, invests more in education and health care rather then defence (Moeen Ali , KingKhanWC and [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] are more then enough to protect us, FEAR THE BEARDs Indeed) and has an open policy to welcome all of gods children who are in need even Robert and Junaids despite them being from the dark side of the force.

I'd change Amir marrying Faryal and instead marrying some girl from the pind, so he can focus on his boxing. :inti

Freddie Roach is a great coach but didn't help Amir's defence much, Hunter is much better in this area but not Amir has lost some attacking instincts, he could do with a mix of the two.
 
1. Prevent Virat Kohli from touring England in 2013

2. Kidnap Salman Butt before the tour of England in 2010

3. I'd stop Amir Khan from marrying Faryal and leaving Freddie Roach [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Bonus Picks:

Prevent 9/11, prevent India from getting the bigger Pizza slice in the subcontinent and ensure an independent Birmingham kept away from England; a city which remains in the EU, elects [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] as our Prime minister, invests more in education and health care rather then defence (Moeen Ali , KingKhanWC and [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] are more then enough to protect us, FEAR THE BEARDs Indeed) and has an open policy to welcome all of gods children who are in need even Robert and Junaids despite them being from the dark side of the force.
If you only knew the power of the dark side. You can defeat [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] - he has foreseen this. Join with me and we will rule PP together!
 
If you only knew the power of the dark side. You can defeat [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] - he has foreseen this. Join with me and we will rule PP together!

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Strike me down and I'll become more powerful then you could possibly imagine:harby
 
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Why the velociraptors? Why not some other species? I dont think any other life form could have shown such great adaptability as humans or the preceeding apes.

well they were considered highly intelligent. I would agree with you that the opposable thumb we have and the language skills we have is unprecedented .

However a word of caution, you talk about human beings adaptability . However human beings have been here hardly a few thousand of years..dinosaurs ruled the earth for many millions of years before becoming extinct
 
1. Made sure Kashmir had gone with Pakistan or India completely instead of being in limbo.
2. Instead of East Pakistan, made the 3rd country on 15th Aug 1947 (Can't understand the logic why one country was created with 1000 miles of another country between them).
 
1. Made sure Kashmir had gone with Pakistan or India completely instead of being in limbo.
2. Instead of East Pakistan, made the 3rd country on 15th Aug 1947 (Can't understand the logic why one country was created with 1000 miles of another country between them).

Ummm Alaska and Hawaii? It's worked quite well. :thumbsup
 
No. It will not happen like that. The timeline will split exactly at the same moment I club the first human to death. Thus there will a parallel timeline, free of humans that will continue to prosper. Split timelines to the rescue :))

If you kill the first human, you yourself won't exist to carry out the task. :afridi

First of all there never was a first human(this Adam and Eve story is completely fiction in light of Science), or first of any species on this planet, there is no evidence what soever that any species has appeared magically in a single generation or event...Species evolve, over period of time in an environment, you become a new species over many generations... There is no one single event that you can eradicate the homo sapiens, you can effect the evolution of homo sapiens some what, but not much by just killing one person in any one generation, its got to be more than that ;-)
 
If i could change one thing in history... would ban religion or rather excessive religious interpretations. Everything that is wrong today owes its roots to religion.
 
First of all there never was a first human(this Adam and Eve story is completely fiction in light of Science), or first of any species on this planet, there is no evidence what soever that any species has appeared magically in a single generation or event...Species evolve, over period of time in an environment, you become a new species over many generations... There is no one single event that you can eradicate the homo sapiens, you can effect the evolution of homo sapiens some what, but not much by just killing one person in any one generation, its got to be more than that ;-)

i covered that base as well in this and the related posts that followed it.
 
Ummm Alaska and Hawaii? It's worked quite well. :thumbsup

I know someone who is in his 40s and unmarried. When the marriage topic comes, he says " even Salman khan is not married yet and there are so many girls in 20s willing to marry him at that age".

But he forgets, "He is not Salman Khan but a pot bellied normal guy".

:)) Hope you get the point :))
 
If i could change one thing in history... would ban religion or rather excessive religious interpretations. Everything that is wrong today owes its roots to religion.
You missed the point of thread.

It's not about having one wish.
 
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