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Improvement in Rahat Ali?

First spell day 3, 2nd or 3rd ball Cut for four by Grandehome sums up the improvement.

His Action and Attitude will make sure that he remains the same forever.
 
waleed88 said:
Warmup games are no standard of judging a bowler, Sohail Khan picked up 1 wicket against Worcestershire in 19 overs but got 2 5'fers against after that in two Test Matches
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Now warm up games are "no stanadard of judging a bowler". Weren't you the one that opened a thread on Rahat Ali based on his performance against a second string county side.

Imran was going at 4+ an over for the majority of the game. While Ahmed Jamal and Junaid Khan were going at less than 3 an over and picked up wickets.
 
Ellipsism said:
Now warm up games are "no stanadard of judging a bowler". Weren't you the one that opened a thread on Rahat Ali based on his performance against a second string county side.

Imran was going at 4+ an over for the majority of the game. While Ahmed Jamal and Junaid Khan were going at less than 3 an over and picked up wickets.
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Imran Khan is the same bowler who got a 5'fer against Srilanka in Srilanka.. in the final test match where we chased down a mammoth 373 vs them.. His performance sorta drowned under Younis's match winning knock.. by far the pick of our bowlers, Rashid Latif and Shoaib Akhtar went on to say how underrated he is with the seam position he presents and are surprised what he is doing on the bench

Anyway you are sour grapes since Rahat performed better than Amir, let me know when Amir starts swinging the new ball or gets more wickets than Rahat.. until then go find out a reason why 'ATG Future Akram' is not swinging it like he should.. Imran Khan must be kicking himself for being subbed by such a no skill bowler like Amir
 
Ellipsism said:
Now warm up games are "no stanadard of judging a bowler". Weren't you the one that opened a thread on Rahat Ali based on his performance against a second string county side.

Imran was going at 4+ an over for the majority of the game. While Ahmed Jamal and Junaid Khan were going at less than 3 an over and picked up wickets.
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I admit I was wrong in SK's case regarding the warmup game, the real worry should be for you is why was SK and Rahat swinging it while Amir couldn't swing it a centimeter
 
Abdullah719 said:
He bowled a 12 over spell.... Rahat delivers loose balls forever.

He wasn't always like that. Rahat is the same guy who once bowled a spell of 8-7-1-1 against NZ in UAE.
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He also bowled some good spells against WI and alot of Maidens against England.
 
Hamzakhalid said:
He also bowled some good spells against WI and alot of Maidens against England.
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Rahat does sometimes string together a good spell. But more often than not, he keeps bowling a bunch of hit me balls at random points which is why he find it hard to build pressure, and also why he has such a high bowling average.

He is still likely to be quite useful in Oceania, nevertheless, because he has a variety of skills to complement his height and decent pace. But he really would be so much better as a bowler if he didn't resort to bowling rubbish so often.
 
he can bowl some good balls but also can bowl some rubbish. Too inconsistent and it is extremely frustrating to watch
 
waleed88 said:
Imran Khan is the same bowler who got a 5'fer against Srilanka in Srilanka.. in the final test match where we chased down a mammoth 373 vs them.. His performance sorta drowned under Younis's match winning knock.. by far the pick of our bowlers, Rashid Latif and Shoaib Akhtar went on to say how underrated he is with the seam position he presents and are surprised what he is doing on the bench

Anyway you are sour grapes since Rahat performed better than Amir, let me know when Amir starts swinging the new ball or gets more wickets than Rahat.. until then go find out a reason why 'ATG Future Akram' is not swinging it like he should.. Imran Khan must be kicking himself for being subbed by such a no skill bowler like Amir
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I don't know why you keep bringing up Amir and I've told you before I'm a fan of Rahat and don't personally like Amir. So don't make assumptions.

Rahat can't control a delivery to save his life. Stop tip toeing around the question that I've asked you countless times, what's the point of swing if you can't control it?
 
Ellipsism said:
I don't know why you keep bringing up Amir and I've told you before I'm a fan of Rahat and don't personally like Amir. So don't make assumptions.

Rahat can't control a delivery to save his life. Stop tip toeing around the question that I've asked you countless times, what's the point of swing if you can't control it?
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Because one good ball makes a difference, you only need to bowl 10 good ones, thats how test matches work
 
A batsman going after a bowler is a good sign, as that induces a chance for the bowler to capitalize, there is a reason Rahat is a good wicket taker, he takes risks and sometimes when it doesn't pay off he gets carted..
 
waleed88 said:
A batsman going after a bowler is a good sign, as that induces a chance for the bowler to capitalize, there is a reason Rahat is a good wicket taker, he takes risks and sometimes when it doesn't pay off he gets carted..
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Bowling rubbish isn't a risk in a wicket taking sense.
 
waleed88 said:
Because one good ball makes a difference, you only need to bowl 10 good ones, thats how test matches work
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I think your mistaken, test cricket is about bowling a consitent line or setting up a batsman, none of which Rahat does.
 
waleed88 said:
A batsman going after a bowler is a good sign, as that induces a chance for the bowler to capitalize, there is a reason Rahat is a good wicket taker, he takes risks and sometimes when it doesn't pay off he gets carted..
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So the more you get carted the better you are as a bowler?

With his middling strike rate, how is he a good wicket taker?
 
New Yorker said:
So the more you get carted the better you are as a bowler?

With his middling strike rate, how is he a good wicket taker?
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If you are going at 3-4 an over, and you pick up 4 wickets, I would call that being successful, case in point is how we always praise Wahab Riaz for these kinda performances, as a 'bahadur' never say die attitude, however Rahat is always pointed out as meek and miser, which is why he never gets that sort of praise
 
Ellipsism said:
I think your mistaken, test cricket is about bowling a consitent line or setting up a batsman, none of which Rahat does.
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I honestly don't care what you have to say, the guy picked up 4 wickets and thats all that matters to me, his second innings performances regardless of how he bowled would have no such bearings on the final result.. so I still reserve my judgement
 
Ellipsism said:
Bowling rubbish isn't a risk in a wicket taking sense.
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The funny thing is you call yourself a Rahat fan, but can't accept he bowled well.. 3-4 runs per over in Test Cricket is not bad at all, I dunno what world you are living in, but Starc and Hazelwood have gone for 4 an over and have picked up 4'fers so this will be nothing new on these pitches in NZ AUS.. you can check their stats in the recently concluded SA vs Aus series
 
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Rahat Ali first innings 1st Test Match vs NZ (worst bowler in the world) :

15.5 overs 2 Maidens 62 Runs 4 Wickets 3.91 R.R

Mitchell Starc first innings vs SA 1st Test Match :

18.4 overs 2 Maidens 71 Runs 4 Wickets 3.80 R.R

Josh Hazelwood first innings vs SA 1st Test Match :

17 Overs 2 Maidens 70 Runs 3 Wickets 4.11 R.R


Not comparing Rahat to these bowlers (both of them are much better than him), but give this guy a break man seriously... we are all obsessed with his R.R too much, he was our top wicket taker yet he is being hated on like no tomorrow, he has only bowled in 1 innings so far.. results are not bad!
 
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His second innings he only bowled 6 overs, and I mean honestly anyone expecting him to rout the opposition like Waqar Younis is expecting a bit too much
 
waleed88 said:
The funny thing is you call yourself a Rahat fan, but can't accept he bowled well.. 3-4 runs per over in Test Cricket is not bad at all, I dunno what world you are living in, but Starc and Hazelwood have gone for 4 an over and have picked up 4'fers so this will be nothing new on these pitches in NZ AUS.. you can check their stats in the recently concluded SA vs Aus series
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I like Rahat has a bowler, I think he's one of the most talented bowlers Panistan has produced in the last few years but just because I am a fan doesn't mean I'm going to unnecessarily praise Rahat.

What sort if comparison is this? Those Australian guys are bowling on the flattest of decks yet here you are cherry picking stats and decide to compare them to a guy that's bowling on a pitch that is conductive to seam bowling.

This is were stats are misleading. If you had watched the match you would know he bowled absolute filth, rapping up the tail and getting a fluky wicket isn't a "good job".

If you were an open minded fan you would know that Rahat was trash this test and he needs to improve.
 
waleed88 said:
Well he pitched it up more than Amir, for which Amir is more criticized, which is why he is economical without being unaffective..
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Pitching it up on leg stump. I know Amir bowls defensively that's why I don't go running around and hype each jaffa he bowls.
 
waleed88 said:
His second innings he only bowled 6 overs, and I mean honestly anyone expecting him to rout the opposition like Waqar Younis is expecting a bit too much
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Because he had again started bowling short and wide rubbish as he did on Day 1. He did well on Day 2 against the lower order though.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Because he had again started bowling short and wide rubbish as he did on Day 1. He did well on Day 2 against the lower order though.
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could you really tell me how a bowler going in with only 100 runs to defend will have any motivation to bowl?He was the standout bowler in the first innings and gave Pakistan a golden chance to make a comeback. It's not his mistake that our batsmen made blunders in the 2nd innings on what looked like a pitch becoming more flat. There was arguably nothing for bowlers on day 4 in the pitch.

Do not shift the blunders made by our batsmen to this poor guy. He didn't have anything to work on in the 2nd innings.
 
MRSN said:
could you really tell me how a bowler going in with only 100 runs to defend will have any motivation to bowl?He was the standout bowler in the first innings and gave Pakistan a golden chance to make a comeback. It's not his mistake that our batsmen made blunders in the 2nd innings on what looked like a pitch becoming more flat. There was arguably nothing for bowlers on day 4 in the pitch.

Do not shift the blunders made by our batsmen to this poor guy. He didn't have anything to work on in the 2nd innings.
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The argument that he bowls rubbish is not based on one innings. It's based on his whole career.

I don't want to over-analyse his performance in the second innings for the reasons you have stated.

But he is the most inconsistent bowler in this team. He has good skill and ability yet he will bowl a lot of short and wide gifts. A slightly upgraded and left-handed version of Mohammad Sami.
 
Abdullah719 said:
The argument that he bowls rubbish is not based on one innings. It's based on his whole career.

I don't want to over-analyse his performance in the second innings for the reasons you have stated.

But he is the most inconsistent bowler in this team. He has good skill and ability yet he will bowl a lot of short and wide gifts. A slightly upgraded and left-handed version of Mohammad Sami.
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the problem is he is the best we have. Either we take him with his inconsistent bowling in the game or take someone like Wahab who gives away 60 odd runs before realizing he has to show some firework. Adding his front foot,back foot and pitch landing issues. The guy has been with the team even before Rahat.

Rahat is not a clever bowler. We have to accept that but he is someone who can produce wicket taking deliveries.
 
MRSN said:
the problem is he is the best we have. Either we take him with his inconsistent bowling in the game or take someone like Wahab who gives away 60 odd runs before realizing he has to show some firework. Adding his front foot,back foot and pitch landing issues. The guy has been with the team even before Rahat.

Rahat is not a clever bowler. We have to accept that but he is someone who can produce wicket taking deliveries.
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We can also try others from domestic cricket. Otherwise what is the point of Quaid-e-Azam Trophy?
 
Abdullah719 said:
Because he had again started bowling short and wide rubbish as he did on Day 1. He did well on Day 2 against the lower order though.
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I get it but 6 overs is no standard of criteria, and when you are defending a 100 runs you can't blame the bowler for much
 
Ellipsism said:
I like Rahat has a bowler, I think he's one of the most talented bowlers Panistan has produced in the last few years but just because I am a fan doesn't mean I'm going to unnecessarily praise Rahat.

What sort if comparison is this? Those Australian guys are bowling on the flattest of decks yet here you are cherry picking stats and decide to compare them to a guy that's bowling on a pitch that is conductive to seam bowling.

This is were stats are misleading. If you had watched the match you would know he bowled absolute filth, rapping up the tail and getting a fluky wicket isn't a "good job".

If you were an open minded fan you would know that Rahat was trash this test and he needs to improve.
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I said clearly Starc and Hazelwood are much better than Rahat in my following post
 
Ellipsism said:
I like Rahat has a bowler, I think he's one of the most talented bowlers Panistan has produced in the last few years but just because I am a fan doesn't mean I'm going to unnecessarily praise Rahat.

What sort if comparison is this? Those Australian guys are bowling on the flattest of decks yet here you are cherry picking stats and decide to compare them to a guy that's bowling on a pitch that is conductive to seam bowling.

This is were stats are misleading. If you had watched the match you would know he bowled absolute filth, rapping up the tail and getting a fluky wicket isn't a "good job".

If you were an open minded fan you would know that Rahat was trash this test and he needs to improve.
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NOt really, first innings Aussie bowled out for 244, South Africa were bowled out for 242..

I'm not cherry picking stats, but you gotta stop judging a bowler who has bowled in only one innings..
 
Secondly Sohail Khan goes at 3.54 runs an over and picks up 3 wickets..

All my point is even though he 'appears' like a bad bowler, some people here have to accept that in this part of the bowler, if some bowler goes for 3-4 runs per over but picks up 4 wickets.. that is not a bad performance at all
 
Case in point is Shoaib Akhtar's 2 5'fers he picked up vs Australia in Australia 04-05

Shoaib's stats in the 1st game :

22 overs 1 Maiden 99 Runs 5 Wickets 4.50 R.R


Shoaib's Stats in the 2nd game :

27 overs 4 Maiden 109 Runs 5 Wickets 4.03 R.R


Now why do us PP'ers and fans look at that bowling performance with fond memories? Is Shoaib Akhtar, getting hit for 1 boundary every over, or is he an exceptionally good bowler?

Why is there selective appreciation for one bowler like Shoaib Akhtar, or someone like Wahab Riaz (who is also very expensive in his spells) but outrageous hate for another bowler who has done 'decently'/not bad..

I mean some posters are literally saying he should never play for Pakistan again.. I mean this is big joke seriously, some of the hate this guy gets baffles me..

By all means I would understand if he got hit every over and his wickets column read zero, fine I will also join the bandwagon, but this is just bias and nothing else
 
waleed88 said:
Case in point is Shoaib Akhtar's 2 5'fers he picked up vs Australia in Australia 04-05

Shoaib's stats in the 1st game :

22 overs 1 Maiden 99 Runs 5 Wickets 4.50 R.R


Shoaib's Stats in the 2nd game :

27 overs 4 Maiden 109 Runs 5 Wickets 4.03 R.R


Now why do us PP'ers and fans look at that bowling performance with fond memories? Is Shoaib Akhtar, getting hit for 1 boundary every over, or is he an exceptionally good bowler?

Why is there selective appreciation for one bowler like Shoaib Akhtar, or someone like Wahab Riaz (who is also very expensive in his spells) but outrageous hate for another bowler who has done 'decently'/not bad..

I mean some posters are literally saying he should never play for Pakistan again.. I mean this is big joke seriously, some of the hate this guy gets baffles me..

By all means I would understand if he got hit every over and his wickets column read zero, fine I will also join the bandwagon, but this is just bias and nothing else
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Wahab and Akhtar were attacking, bowling bouncers etc.

Rahat bowls filth.
 
waleed88 said:
Secondly Sohail Khan goes at 3.54 runs an over and picks up 3 wickets..

All my point is even though he 'appears' like a bad bowler, some people here have to accept that in this part of the bowler, if some bowler goes for 3-4 runs per over but picks up 4 wickets.. that is not a bad performance at all
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He picked up some fluky wickets.

If he was attacking and getting top order wickets then I would be competent with him going at 4+ an over.
 
waleed88 said:
NOt really, first innings Aussie bowled out for 244, South Africa were bowled out for 242..

I'm not cherry picking stats, but you gotta stop judging a bowler who has bowled in only one innings..
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I'm not talking but just this innings, but this is an issue which he hasn't resolved and he has been playing international cricket for 3 odd years.
 
Ellipsism said:
Name me three bowlers.
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I don't want to throw around names of bowlers who I haven't seen. But the likes of Hasan Ali and Ghulam Mudassar are not simply line and length trundlers.

Anyway, for NZ conditions, bowlers who bowl in the low 130s, swing the ball and bowl in good areas can have success.
 
waleed88 said:
If you are going at 3-4 an over, and you pick up 4 wickets, I would call that being successful, case in point is how we always praise Wahab Riaz for these kinda performances, as a 'bahadur' never say die attitude, however Rahat is always pointed out as meek and miser, which is why he never gets that sort of praise
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I think you are being deliberately obtuse. I am evaluating Rahat on his career performance. His abysmal average, very mediocre SR, and inability to take 5fers.

There is no evidence that across his career he has been a penetrative bowler, the kind who, however expensive, takes wickets in heaps. This is pure fantasy on your part.

And I think you are overestimating the number of Wahab fans on this board. Who cares what his attitude is if he does not take wickets often enough?
 
New Yorker said:
I think you are being deliberately obtuse. I am evaluating Rahat on his career performance. His abysmal average, very mediocre SR, and inability to take 5fers.

There is no evidence that across his career he has been a penetrative bowler, the kind who, however expensive, takes wickets in heaps. This is pure fantasy on your part.

And I think you are overestimating the number of Wahab fans on this board. Who cares what his attitude is if he does not take wickets often enough?
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'Wahab and Akhtar were attacking, bowling bouncers etc. Rahat bowls filth.' - [MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION]

General summary of PP, majority fans
 
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OK I'm a fan now :rahat
 
Has always been talented. Tall, good pace, swings it late and generates good bounce. You'd think I was speaking of Wasim going by the list. Just never had the stomach and passion for the top level. An utter waste of talent.
 
Abdullah719 said:
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OK I'm a fan now :rahat
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Better late than never, you have finally learned an important lesson. :rahat

The Rahat does not waste energy celebrating the dismissal of someone like Imad. He is to Rahat what an insect is to the mighty Godzilla :rahat1
 
Big Mac said:
Better late than never, you have finally learned an important lesson. :rahat

The Rahat does not waste energy celebrating the dismissal of someone like Imad. He is to Rahat what an insect is to the mighty Godzilla :rahat1
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I somehow expected you to reply here. It wasn't even that much of a send off. Future GOAT Captain Imad was just taken aback and shell shocked that the Bowler of Bowlers even acknowledged that he had taken his useless wicket.
 
Fahdi said:
Has always been talented. Tall, good pace, swings it late and generates good bounce. You'd think I was speaking of Wasim going by the list. Just never had the stomach and passion for the top level. An utter waste of talent.
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Has the tendency ala Sami to bowl two hit me balls per over.
 
DeadBall said:
I somehow expected you to reply here. It wasn't even that much of a send off. Future GOAT Captain Imad was just taken aback and shell shocked that the Bowler of Bowlers even acknowledged that he had taken his useless wicket.
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What really happened was Imad was asking the phenom whether he could have his jersey as memorabilia and the phenom responded with "chal chal nikal" :rahat
 
When he first came to the scene, he was bowling consistently in high 140s, but was all over the place. Then in 2014, under Waqar, he sacrificed some of his pace for a better line and length. Things were pretty promising till 2015 WC. After that, don't know what happened. He significantly lost his pace, started bowing around 81-82. His swing became inconsistent and perennial. His loose deliveries became a norm.

Although still think there are better pacers than him available for Tests, but he is still pretty reliable in UAE.
 
He's bowled well so far in this tournament. Which I have to say is a major surprise. I wasn't expecting him to do as well as he has done so far
 
Abdullah719 said:
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OK I'm a fan now :rahat
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:)) The Destroyer with a send off
 
Poor guy, still protesting and gesticulating long after the Rahat had turned away and forgotten that Imad even exists.

Beechara probably cried himself to sleep tonight with PTSD brought on by making eye contact with the beast :rahat
 
Hard for him to force a spot (but honestly, Junaid's spot is asking to be taken) but have to give him his dues, done well. Has an uncanny ability to just get an absolute ripper out of nowhere and can make a ball talk, more than I can say for many of our bowlers.
 
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Hard for him to force a spot (but honestly, Junaid's spot is asking to be taken) but have to give him his dues, done well. Has an uncanny ability to just get an absolute ripper out of nowhere and can make a ball talk, more than I can say for many of our bowlers.
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Problem is that there is bound to be at least two non talking, totally mute, hit me balls in there.
 
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Problem is that there is bound to be at least two non talking, totally mute, hit me balls in there.
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No doubt, which is the issue with him, but look at our limited overs bowling composition. We have a containment bowler (sad to say but it's just reality) in Amir who builds pressure excellently without taking wickets. You need a strike bowler on the other end and we operate Hassan exclusively in the middle overs and Junaid is as toothless as they come so would an expensive but more threatening Rahat still be as bad of an option if he can swing it both ways at 140+? I don't know but it seems like a more enticing prospect as time goes on.
 
HuzaifaE said:
No doubt, which is the issue with him, but look at our limited overs bowling composition. We have a containment bowler (sad to say but it's just reality) in Amir who builds pressure excellently without taking wickets. You need a strike bowler on the other end and we operate Hassan exclusively in the middle overs and Junaid is as toothless as they come so would an expensive but more threatening Rahat still be as bad of an option if he can swing it both ways at 140+? I don't know but it seems like a more enticing prospect as time goes on.
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I think Shinwari (optimally) or Junaid (to a lesser extent) have those spots covered in LOIs. He could be a prospect in Tests along with Abbas, Wahab and co as none of the superstars want to make an effort to go to the next level. His pies would also be less prone to being dispatched in Tests.
 
Good to see that atleast some posters can eradicate the old memory of a player and can accept his good performances with open arms.

The guy has got everything, just lacked the heart and motivation. The guys doesnt even know how talented he is, somebody needs to boost his confidence.

That look to Imad was something I always wanted to see from Rahat. :bhatti
 
All Hail the Destroyer :bow: :bow: :bow:

:rahat I see the air bending abilities are coming back [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] :shafiq2
 
Rahat is (was) a fantastic fast bowling prospect - in his old threads, I always mentioned that after Amir, he is the most skilled PAK pacer and he had more natural tools than Amir - 6'3"+, athletic, nice clean action and quite fast. Besides, he had a gift of late swing, something probably natural - one can't be taught.

He didn't develop into a world class fast bowler, probably for his own mental capacity (lack of it). I can't blame Misbah here, because Rahat did get his chance under MuH at the right age of 23 (now, if he has 4/5 years hidden in it, that's his problem), and at right place; but he didn't grow from there on. He is a genuine No. 10/11 and almost as good as Irfaaan in field - so, it has to be his bowling only to cement PAK squad, which he couldn't; may be lack of guidance, absence of a mentor and playing under a defensive Captain didn't help. But, his UAE spell (s) against NZ on an absolute dead track indicates the ability.

One of many reasons, I do feel Sulman Butt should be punished as a national traitor, because he took Asif out of PAK cricket; that's probably the reason why this generation of Rahat, Wahab, JK, Sohail, Imran ... often looks like a headless chicken, despite having lots of natural tools. Fast bowling is natural, while the art of getting batsmen out is a skill that's mentored, not taught - people learn it from on job with the company. A bowling leader & mentor as skillful & cunning as Asif could have shaped many such careers like Rahat.
 
MMHS said:
Rahat is (was) a fantastic fast bowling prospect - in his old threads, I always mentioned that after Amir, he is the most skilled PAK pacer and he had more natural tools than Amir - 6'3"+, athletic, nice clean action and quite fast. Besides, he had a gift of late swing, something probably natural - one can't be taught.

He didn't develop into a world class fast bowler, probably for his own mental capacity (lack of it). I can't blame Misbah here, because Rahat did get his chance under MuH at the right age of 23 (now, if he has 4/5 years hidden in it, that's his problem), and at right place; but he didn't grow from there on. He is a genuine No. 10/11 and almost as good as Irfaaan in field - so, it has to be his bowling only to cement PAK squad, which he couldn't; may be lack of guidance, absence of a mentor and playing under a defensive Captain didn't help. But, his UAE spell (s) against NZ on an absolute dead track indicates the ability.

One of many reasons, I do feel Sulman Butt should be punished as a national traitor, because he took Asif out of PAK cricket; that's probably the reason why this generation of Rahat, Wahab, JK, Sohail, Imran ... often looks like a headless chicken, despite having lots of natural tools. Fast bowling is natural, while the art of getting batsmen out is a skill that's mentored, not taught - people learn it from on job with the company. A bowling leader & mentor as skillful & cunning as Asif could have shaped many such careers like Rahat.
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This is a Myth, you need to know the mechanics of fast bowling to understand how this is achieved.
 
MMHS said:
Rahat is (was) a fantastic fast bowling prospect - in his old threads, I always mentioned that after Amir, he is the most skilled PAK pacer and he had more natural tools than Amir - 6'3"+, athletic, nice clean action and quite fast. Besides, he had a gift of late swing, something probably natural - one can't be taught.

He didn't develop into a world class fast bowler, probably for his own mental capacity (lack of it). I can't blame Misbah here, because Rahat did get his chance under MuH at the right age of 23 (now, if he has 4/5 years hidden in it, that's his problem), and at right place; but he didn't grow from there on. He is a genuine No. 10/11 and almost as good as Irfaaan in field - so, it has to be his bowling only to cement PAK squad, which he couldn't; may be lack of guidance, absence of a mentor and playing under a defensive Captain didn't help. But, his UAE spell (s) against NZ on an absolute dead track indicates the ability.

One of many reasons, I do feel Sulman Butt should be punished as a national traitor, because he took Asif out of PAK cricket; that's probably the reason why this generation of Rahat, Wahab, JK, Sohail, Imran ... often looks like a headless chicken, despite having lots of natural tools. Fast bowling is natural, while the art of getting batsmen out is a skill that's mentored, not taught - people learn it from on job with the company. A bowling leader & mentor as skillful & cunning as Asif could have shaped many such careers like Rahat.
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Asif was definitely a big loss. Yes he would have helped Rahat and co but as he is not in the team, so upcoming fast bowlers also need to try hard to improve themselves and find themselves mentors.

Hassan Ali is a big example, he set the standard for himself irrespective of what other bowlers around him were doing.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
This is a Myth, you need to know the mechanics of fast bowling to understand how this is achieved.
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You missed the word "late".

More or less, pacers do know how to swing a cricket ball even at club level. It was 1969, 2 physician from AUS (probably from University of NSW), first explained why a cricket ball swings with aero dynamics. BUT, 99 out of 100 pacers won't swing it LATE, like Wasim or Anderson or Styen, even at a much slower pace & lesser control - do you think, that's because they don't know the mechanics or the the professional coaches associated with them don't know how to teach it?

Any way, appreciate if you could explain how it happens through your knowledge of fast bowling mechanics - I need to learn.
 
MMHS said:
You missed the word "late".

More or less, pacers do know how to swing a cricket ball even at club level. It was 1969, 2 physician from AUS (probably from University of NSW), first explained why a cricket ball swings with aero dynamics. BUT, 99 out of 100 pacers won't swing it LATE, like Wasim or Anderson or Styen, even at a much slower pace & lesser control - do you think, that's because they don't know the mechanics or the the professional coaches associated with them don't know how to teach it?

Any way, appreciate if you could explain how it happens through your knowledge of fast bowling mechanics - I need to learn.
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How this late movement achieved by Asif.Who taught him??its a myth for me.
 
Abdullah719 said:
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OK I'm a fan now :rahat
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How many years have I waited for Rahat to do this? @:rahat

Good on you son.
 
Those fiery eyes, those deadly dark locks, that hand gesture as if to tell the mere mortal Imad that he isnt worth his reaction. The annihilator, The destroyer of worlds has finally come of age :))

What did he say though? "Chal bhaag"? :afridi:
 
He actually is having a good PSL but what he did to Imad was a bit too good.
 
Madplayer said:
Those fiery eyes, those deadly dark locks, that hand gesture as if to tell the mere mortal Imad that he isnt worth his reaction. The annihilator, The destroyer of worlds has finally come of age :))

What did he say though? "Chal bhaag"? :afridi:
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My lip reading is a bit rusty but it's either

"Nets wahan hai"

or

"Pop the kettle on son, this'll be over in a minute"
 
Madplayer said:
Those fiery eyes, those deadly dark locks, that hand gesture as if to tell the mere mortal Imad that he isnt worth his reaction. The annihilator, The destroyer of worlds has finally come of age :))

What did he say though? "Chal bhaag"? :afridi:
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Lmao
Pure gold
 
Very happy to see him performing well.He has been very good this PSL.He has bowled with pace and obviously he has got swing.Hopefully they select him for the test cricket
 
He has the ability. His problem is his mentality. Seems to lose the plot when under pressure.
 
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