Improving the quality of Pakistan cricket versus the welfare of Pakistani domestic cricketers

[Mamoon]

If a player is relying on cricket to make ends meet in the beginning of their career, thats bad planning by them. Cricket is not charity for people that can't make the top level. As a player you should always have a backup plan.

Cricket has become a poor man’s sport in Pakistan. Very few players from upper-class or even middle-class take up professional cricket these days.

If you can afford education, very few people will take the risk of investing their time in becoming professional cricketers because the odds of playing international cricket or even franchise cricketer are terribly low.

As a result, most of our players are from poor backgrounds and cricket gives them an opportunity to escape poverty.

As a result, a lot of these players have nothing apart from cricket, and the departmental jobs was their bread and butter until our world champion PM forced them into unemployment because of his obsession with the Australian system.

 

[Mamoon]

We are consistently told that Pakistan doesn't have cricketing talent and then the same people want us to have more teams because Pakistan has a lot of talent ...

Go figure.

There is nothing to figure out.

There is a difference between domestic talent and international talent. Pakistan has little international standard which is why it is languishing at the bottom in Test and ODI rankings, but there are plenty of domestic standard cricketers who are good enough to perform at the domestic level but don’t have the talent to make the leap into international cricket.

You can’t force domestic players into unemployment because they don’t have the talent to be international players. Besides, several international tried and tested failures are still playing in these 6 teams for a reason - they do well in domestic cricket.

A professional cricketer deserves to make a living out of cricket even if he is not international or PSL material. He is still better at cricket than millions of people.

 

[Bewal Express]

Cricket has become a poor man’s sport in Pakistan. Very few players from upper-class or even middle-class take up professional cricket these days.

If you can afford education, very few people will take the risk of investing their time in becoming professional cricketers because the odds of playing international cricket or even franchise cricketer are terribly low.

As a result, most of our players are from poor backgrounds and cricket gives them an opportunity to escape poverty.

As a result, a lot of these players have nothing apart from cricket, and the departmental jobs was their bread and butter until our world champion PM forced them into unemployment because of his obsession with the Australian system.

Terrible from IK, he should not be following the model of the most successful cricketing nation ever. He should have continued with Salman Butt Ghulab Jamuns v Hajis Spices. That system has been working excellently for the last 3 decades.

 

[minamino]

Terrible from IK, he should not be following the model of the most successful cricketing nation ever. He should have continued with Salman Butt Ghulab Jamuns v Hajis Spices. That system has been working excellently for the last 3 decades.

What is the population of Australia? What is the population of Pakistan?

 

[Mamoon]

Terrible from IK, he should not be following the model of the most successful cricketing nation ever. He should have continued with Salman Butt Ghulab Jamuns v Hajis Spices. That system has been working excellently for the last 3 decades.

It is terrible from Imran because you cannot implement a model just because it has been successful for another cricket nation. You have to adapt that model to your cricket nation.

The Shield model has worked for Australia not because it is the perfect system but because it is a great fit for Australian cricket.

When you consider Pakistan’s cricket population, how can you justify only 6 teams?

I will again give India’s example. They have been one of the top sides for about 20 years now in spite of having 38 F/C sides.

That is about 400+ playing XI members, then you can add up reserve/fringe players and you eventually end up with close to 700-800 cricketers if not more.

Which means they are at least 600 cricketers in India who are playing domestic cricket but don’t have the talent to play international cricket. So why doesn’t BCCI put these players out of jobs for the sake of raising the quality of domestic cricket?

In comparison, Pakistan is currently fielding less than 150 cricketers in first-class cricket in spite of the fact that it has more players than all cricket nations (minus India) put together.

Pakistan cricket system has not failed because of too many teams and it will not succeed because of having 6 teams - there are several factors that have contributed to the failure of domestic cricket, such as hiring poor coaches, preparing poor wickets, using poor balls, not having NCA level centers in all provinces etc.

 

[minamino]

It is terrible from Imran because you cannot implement a model just because it has been successful for another cricket nation. You have to adapt that model to your cricket nation.

The Shield model has worked for Australia not because it is the perfect system but because it is a great fit for Australian cricket.

When you consider Pakistan’s cricket population, how can you justify only 6 teams?

I will again give India’s example. They have been one of the top sides for about 20 years now in spite of having 38 F/C sides.

That is about 400+ playing XI members, then you can add up reserve/fringe players and you eventually end up with close to 700-800 cricketers if not more.

Which means they are at least 600 cricketers in India who are playing domestic cricket but don’t have the talent to play international cricket. So why doesn’t BCCI put these players out of jobs for the sake of raising the quality of domestic cricket?

In comparison, Pakistan is currently fielding less than 150 cricketers in first-class cricket in spite of the fact that it has more players than all cricket nations (minus India) put together.

Pakistan cricket system has not failed because of too many teams and it will not succeed because of having 6 teams - there are several factors that have contributed to the failure of domestic cricket, such as hiring poor coaches, preparing poor wickets, using poor balls, not having NCA level centers in all provinces etc.

Don't forget about 100s of leagues from which they can make a good amount of money and then earn millions at IPL auction.

 

[Mamoon]

We may have far more cricketers, but can you take a look at the 2nd XIs and confidently build a lineup of players from it who you think could compete with the first XI sides? I doubt it.

In my opinion, competition is not the issue here. Not all teams can be strong and there will always be a few designated minnows in every competition.

However, when you restrict F/C to 6 teams and thus roughly a total of less than 150 active players (first team, second team, reserves, fringe players etc. etc.) in a country of over 200m and more active players than all countries put together except India, you are ensuring that a lot of good domestic cricketers will be filtered out.

Pakistan needs at least 10 F/C teams. 6 teams are way, way too less for the second biggest cricket nation in the world (population wise).

 

[Savak]

Please don’t pollute every thread with personal jibes. Your ignorant post doesn’t deserve a response but I will do you a favor anyway.

No one is asking people to get paid for doing nothing. This system has filtered out several good domestic cricketers who were performing for their departments, and thus the departments were getting a return on their investment.

When you decide to squeeze in the second largest cricket base into 6 teams, it is inevitable that a lot of good domestic cricketers will be neglected.

India has the largest base of cricketers in the world, but they have a whooping 38 teams in Ranji Trophy. Do you think bringing the number of teams down to 20 will not further improve the standard of domestic cricket in India? Why aren’t they doing it?

Because they understand that the dynamics of Australian and English cricket are completed different to that of Indian cricket.

But i thought you felt Pakistan was the most talentless cricketing nation on earth right now. Why do you care then who makes the cut and who doesn't, what difference does it make?

 

[Mamoon]

Don't forget about 100s of leagues from which they can make a good amount of money and then earn millions at IPL auction.

Yes, but those 600+ players are arguably not good enough for IPL either, because it is very hard to break into IPL squads even for Indian players. Most domestic cricketers don’t get a chance.

 

[minamino]

But i thought you felt Pakistan was the most talentless cricketing nation on earth right now. Why do you care then who makes the cut and who doesn't, what difference does it make?

It's not about talent but humanity. No one likes to see people losing their jobs.

 

[Mamoon]

But i thought you felt Pakistan was the most talentless cricketing nation on earth right now. Why do you care then who makes the cut and who doesn't, what difference does it make?

It is a talentless cricket nation but there are hundreds of domestic cricketers who don’t have the talent for international cricket but are good enough to perform in Pakistan domestic cricket.

These domestic cricketers are better than the thousands of amateurs and club cricketers who are nowhere near good enough to perform at F/C level.

These players are now jobless because of our idiotic obsession with implementing the Austrian model which is clearly not suited for the subcontinent countries.

Why do I care? What an absurd question. Of course I don’t care at a personal level. Why would I care if XYZ domestic players are out of jobs?

However, I am looking at it from their perspective and I can understand their disappointment and why they are calling this new system dramaybaazi, because that is what it is.

 

[Mamoon]

It's not about talent but humanity. No one likes to see people losing their jobs.

Actually it is about talent. I am not considering the humanity part at all.

There is a huge difference domestic standard players and amateurs. Professional cricketers deserve to get paid for their cricket even if they are not international material.

This new system has ensured that several domestic standard cricketers have been reduced to rubble.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

There is nothing to figure out.

There is a difference between domestic talent and international talent. Pakistan has little international standard which is why it is languishing at the bottom in Test and ODI rankings, but there are plenty of domestic standard cricketers who are good enough to perform at the domestic level but don’t have the talent to make the leap into international cricket.

You can’t force domestic players into unemployment because they don’t have the talent to be international players. Besides, several international tried and tested failures are still playing in these 6 teams for a reason - they do well in domestic cricket.

A professional cricketer deserves to make a living out of cricket even if he is not international or PSL material. He is still better at cricket than millions of people.

There's a lot to figure.

What's the point of domestic talent when it's going to be trash at best and is going to be an assembly line of mediocre players who has zero return of investment?

I do believe that there should be club cricket but domestic cricket should be a for a privileged few. There's also a need for a couple more teams because corruption runs rampant in our country and some talented people are denied opportunities. That said, corruption isn't an issue with you anyway so idk man.

 

[minamino]

Actually it is about talent. I am not considering the humanity part at all.

There is a huge difference domestic standard players and amateurs. Professional cricketers deserve to get paid for their cricket even if they are not international material.

This new system has ensured that several domestic standard cricketers have been reduced to rubble.

A lot of good players are forced out of the main tournament by the 'senior' players and reduced to the second XI from which they earn peanuts and have to do odd jobs here and there to make their ends meet. You need to show a bit of moral conscience as well here.

It's not always about talent. If it was about talent then why Shan Masood was given so many chances and is now finally performing a bit. Talent could be earned as well if you practice hard and get frequent opportunities but once you lose your bread and butter, it's very difficult to earn it back by doing something entirely different.

 

[Saj]

It's not about talent but humanity. No one likes to see people losing their jobs.

This system is supposed to showcase and give opportunities to the elite players.

Only time will tell if that is actually happening.

 

[Mamoon]

There's a lot to figure.

What's the point of domestic talent when it's going to be trash at best and is going to be an assembly line of mediocre players who has zero return of investment?

I do believe that there should be club cricket but domestic cricket should be a for a privileged few. There's also a need for a couple more teams because corruption runs rampant in our country and some talented people are denied opportunities. That said, corruption isn't an issue with you anyway so idk man.

I was waiting for someone to turn this thread into a discourse over corruption and eventually talk about Nawaz and Zardari. I am surprised that you took the lead over Bewal Express though.

Again, you are missing the point. There is a difference between professional cricketers and international cricketers. International cricketers, the proper ones (not the likes of Shadab, Ahsan Ali, Asif Ali etc.) are the elites among the professional cricketers.

However, professional cricketers are still professionals who deserve to get paid for playing better cricket than millions of people.

In every domestic setup, you will find players who are not international material but have been performing in domestic cricket for years. Such players are still playing in the revamped F/C system of Pakistan as well.

Domestic teams want to give international team players but they also want to win matches. The departments of Pakistan cricket wanted to win the competition, make money and these domestic players were their return on investment.

Unfortunately, we thought it was a good idea to disband all of that and make hundreds of professional, good domestic cricketers jobless and let departments vanish into thin air because Australian cricket, with less players than Punjab alone, has excelled with 6 teams.

 

[Mamoon]

A lot of good players are forced out of the main tournament by the 'senior' players and reduced to the second XI from which they earn peanuts and have to do odd jobs here and there to make their ends meet. You need to show a bit of moral conscience as well here.

It's not always about talent. If it was about talent then why Shan Masood was given so many chances and is now finally performing a bit. Talent could be earned as well if you practice hard and get frequent opportunities but once you lose your bread and butter, it's very difficult to earn it back by doing something entirely different.

The reason why I ignored the humanity part is because there are several suspects in this thread - who thrive on getting replies from me - who would jump on it like rash and question my humanity because of political reasons.

That is why I completely ignored that aspect and focused purely on cricket skill.

 

[Savak]

It's not about talent but humanity. No one likes to see people losing their jobs.

Ofcourse, no one does. But to play cricket, you have to be very good at it, if you are mediocre with mediocre batting stats over a long period or mediocre bowling stats over a long period then you do not have the free eternal right to play. Survival of the fittest, the weak must make way for the strong, that is the motto in the west.

 

[Saj]

Guys keep this thread to cricket.

We have a whole forum if you wish to discuss politics.

 

[Titan24]

It's not about talent but humanity. No one likes to see people losing their jobs.

Creating jobs is something which comes under the domain of Government. Yes organizations should help as much as they can but it shouldnt be at the cost of the quality of the service, product or players they are gonna produce.

Why does PCB has to be the flag bearer of humanity when in actual sense by doing that they will be costing the humanity more as the it will stop deserving players to develop by playing against lesser quality players. This will in turn produce a poor team as we saw in last decade and it will diminish the PCBs value as a whole with less public interest and low qualitu sponsors and it wont be good enough to pay the salaries of even deserving players if situation reaches that stage.

Its not PCB’s job to provide job oppurtunities. Yes one can argue that what about the players who were already in the system but as mentioned few times before in this thread as well that downsizing is bitter but a reality of the current world.

Also there are still around 220-240 players on regular pay roll of PCB and if someone is decent that player should have been part of these players.

 

[minamino]

Ofcourse, no one does. But to play cricket, you have to be very good at it, if you are mediocre with mediocre batting stats over a long period or mediocre bowling stats over a long period then you do not have the free eternal right to play. Survival of the fittest, the weak must make way for the strong, that is the motto in the west.

So you are telling me players like Farhat, Butt, Jamal Anwar etc are good enough to play FC but not youngsters?

 

[Yati]

PSL trials and getting picked in F/C are two different things. In PSL trials, the selectors judge you for how you look over 5-10 balls.

Fawad Alam is the most successful F/C batsman in Pakistan history. However, he would not have been picked in any of these PSL trials because of his technique.

Similarly, several bowlers who are thriving in F/C cricket would not get picked either because of lack of pace.

These trials are based on aesthetics and gimmicks. If you are bowling at 90 mph you will get picked even if you have no bowling intelligence and you don’t know a thing about the art of taking wickets.

Similarly, if you are bowling with two hands like Yasir Jan, you will get selected even if you are a terrible bowler.

The PSL trials do not tell anything about the ability of the batsman to grind runs or the ability of the bowler to take wickets. Spinners are judged based on how much they turn the ball, and not on whether they have the fitness to bowl long spells and know how to work batsmen out.

Yes the average players will eventually get filtered out after impressing in the trial, but a lot of deserving players will not get picked in the first place because they are not the types of players who can make an impression or be judged in 10 balls.

This 6 teams system has basically ruined the careers of several players who are good enough to play domestic cricket. Pakistan has the largest base of cricketers after India - 6 teams are simply not enough.

Yab lets have 16 teams again in FC, so the poor cricketers can make money, because apparently there are no other work they can do. Why dont we make it 32 FC teams so all the gully cricketers can make money also from departmental jobs. Before this new structure came in, we were complaining where is the domestic talent, now that PCB is trying to weed out low talent players, suddenly we care about players jobs. Like pick a side the old structure was not working, give the new system a chance atleast, but know Pakistanis have no patience.

 

[Bewal Express]

It is terrible from Imran because you cannot implement a model just because it has been successful for another cricket nation. You have to adapt that model to your cricket nation.

The Shield model has worked for Australia not because it is the perfect system but because it is a great fit for Australian cricket.

When you consider Pakistan’s cricket population, how can you justify only 6 teams?

I will again give India’s example. They have been one of the top sides for about 20 years now in spite of having 38 F/C sides.

That is about 400+ playing XI members, then you can add up reserve/fringe players and you eventually end up with close to 700-800 cricketers if not more.

Which means they are at least 600 cricketers in India who are playing domestic cricket but don’t have the talent to play international cricket. So why doesn’t BCCI put these players out of jobs for the sake of raising the quality of domestic cricket?

In comparison, Pakistan is currently fielding less than 150 cricketers in first-class cricket in spite of the fact that it has more players than all cricket nations (minus India) put together.

Pakistan cricket system has not failed because of too many teams and it will not succeed because of having 6 teams - there are several factors that have contributed to the failure of domestic cricket, such as hiring poor coaches, preparing poor wickets, using poor balls, not having NCA level centers in all provinces etc.

Population is irrelevant, its quality that matters. Having lots of teams is not going to lead to success, just like having a few won't either. The starting point for any domestic system is to ask as to what's the aim and it should be to produce cricketers for PK or produce cricketers that will provide competition to cricketers who are going to play for PK, our domestic system did neither. It produced absolute tripe, and this has led to our national fortunes declining. What you want is a job creation scheme but you can't explain how that helps the national team. If it was going to help we would already be a great team but we are not, our system has hindered the talented guys because the owners are not responsible to anyone. Is the new system perfect, no but it can be refined with maybe an extra team or 2 but fundamentally it's a good reform. I am not averse to having a window for these guys to play for the dept teams in a given window because they are people that need to feed their families. So for example the QA trophy effectively ends in Nov. You could use the window between Nov and Jan to allow list A matches. But the bigger reform is good move.

 

[kingusama92]

The system has been improved significantly.

The purpose behind having a domestic league shouldn't be forgotten. It's not a charity and is solely reserved to build the nation's international squads. That's it.

Restricting the amount of players in the top division is essential in allowing good players to play against their equals.

It's a real waste of money to add teams to bring in inferior players (relatively speaking) who then completely dilute the competition. This diluted setup then leads to a mediocre, overhyped and underprepared batch of international players.

 

[Yati]

It is terrible from Imran because you cannot implement a model just because it has been successful for another cricket nation. You have to adapt that model to your cricket nation.

The Shield model has worked for Australia not because it is the perfect system but because it is a great fit for Australian cricket.

When you consider Pakistan’s cricket population, how can you justify only 6 teams?

I will again give India’s example. They have been one of the top sides for about 20 years now in spite of having 38 F/C sides.

That is about 400+ playing XI members, then you can add up reserve/fringe players and you eventually end up with close to 700-800 cricketers if not more.

Which means they are at least 600 cricketers in India who are playing domestic cricket but don’t have the talent to play international cricket. So why doesn’t BCCI put these players out of jobs for the sake of raising the quality of domestic cricket?

In comparison, Pakistan is currently fielding less than 150 cricketers in first-class cricket in spite of the fact that it has more players than all cricket nations (minus India) put together.

Pakistan cricket system has not failed because of too many teams and it will not succeed because of having 6 teams - there are several factors that have contributed to the failure of domestic cricket, such as hiring poor coaches, preparing poor wickets, using poor balls, not having NCA level centers in all provinces etc.

You just contradicted yourself. So you are saying India has close to 700 to 800 players domestically from the 38 FC teams. First of all India's population is 1.2 billion. Pakistan currently is around 200 million. Which for right now Pakistan has 6 teams FC teams. So let's divide Indias population into 200 million portions, so that would be 200 million ×6 makes it 1.2 billion. If India has 6 teams per 200 million people they should have 36 FC teams which they are close to with 38 teams and you want Pakistan to go back to 16 teams again for FC because are population is much more then Australia. By that logic it means India should have 96 or close to 100 FC teams not 38.

 

[Ozeirk]

It is a talentless cricket nation but there are hundreds of domestic cricketers who don’t have the talent for international cricket but are good enough to perform in Pakistan domestic cricket.

These domestic cricketers are better than the thousands of amateurs and club cricketers who are nowhere near good enough to perform at F/C level.

These players are now jobless because of our idiotic obsession with implementing the Austrian model which is clearly not suited for the subcontinent countries.

Why do I care? What an absurd question. Of course I don’t care at a personal level. Why would I care if XYZ domestic players are out of jobs?

However, I am looking at it from their perspective and I can understand their disappointment and why they are calling this new system dramaybaazi, because that is what it is.

You are full of contradictions. Your argument is that some FC players have gone jobless yet you also admit that having more teams will not have made a difference to the quality of Pakistan cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

You are full of contradictions. Your argument is that some FC players have gone jobless yet you also admit that having more teams will not have made a difference to the quality of Pakistan cricket.

What contradictions? You don’t seem to understand.

There is a difference between being good enough for international cricket and being good enough for domestic cricket.

Pakistan cricket’s goose is cooked, but that doesn’t mean that the players who are good enough to play domestic cricket should now be jobless.

The sole purpose of domestic cricket is not to provide players for international cricket. It is one of their aims but not the only aim.

Domestic teams also want to win tournaments and they invest in players who can win them these tournaments. That is why in every domestic cricket in every country, you will find hundreds of players who are not international quality but are successful in domestic cricket.

Pakistan has more professional cricketers than all other countries put together (except India), and it has less F/C sides, and it now has as many F/C sides as Australia and South Africa.

This is not a sustainable model. PCB will either go back to departmental cricket or they will add more teams. The current system is impractical for Pakistan cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

You just contradicted yourself. So you are saying India has close to 700 to 800 players domestically from the 38 FC teams. First of all India's population is 1.2 billion. Pakistan currently is around 200 million. Which for right now Pakistan has 6 teams FC teams. So let's divide Indias population into 200 million portions, so that would be 200 million ×6 makes it 1.2 billion. If India has 6 teams per 200 million people they should have 36 FC teams which they are close to with 38 teams and you want Pakistan to go back to 16 teams again for FC because are population is much more then Australia. By that logic it means India should have 96 or close to 100 FC teams not 38.

This is not the logic at all. This is doing math without using common sense and logic. If we extend this formula, then a country like New Zealand should only have 1 F/C team because of the small number of players in their country.

The point is that 6 teams are not enough for Pakistan cricket because we have too many professional cricketers.

That doesn’t mean that we should have 50 teams so that we can accommodate everyone, but when you are restricting yourself to only 6 sides and thus just about 150 active cricketers, you are denying the opportunity to hundreds of professional cricketers.

38 teams may not be enough for India’s population but they are playing 700+ active cricketers in domestic cricket, and Pakistan needs to aim for a similar number.

If reducing the number of players in domestic cricket was the gold key for improving the quality of cricket, India would have done it as well.

If that’s the case then Pakistan should just have 3 F/C sides so that nearly every player is then international quality.

 

[Mamoon]

Population is irrelevant, its quality that matters. Having lots of teams is not going to lead to success, just like having a few won't either. The starting point for any domestic system is to ask as to what's the aim and it should be to produce cricketers for PK or produce cricketers that will provide competition to cricketers who are going to play for PK, our domestic system did neither. It produced absolute tripe, and this has led to our national fortunes declining. What you want is a job creation scheme but you can't explain how that helps the national team. If it was going to help we would already be a great team but we are not, our system has hindered the talented guys because the owners are not responsible to anyone. Is the new system perfect, no but it can be refined with maybe an extra team or 2 but fundamentally it's a good reform. I am not averse to having a window for these guys to play for the dept teams in a given window because they are people that need to feed their families. So for example the QA trophy effectively ends in Nov. You could use the window between Nov and Jan to allow list A matches. But the bigger reform is good move.

The sole purpose of domestic cricket is not to help international cricket. It is a major aim, big domestic teams and departments also want to win domestic competitions.

That is why there are hundreds of domestic players in every cricket country who are not international quality but they do a job for the domestic sides.

PCB should aim for 10-12 sides and that is what is going to happen eventually.

 

[Savak]

The sole purpose of domestic cricket is not to help international cricket. It is a major aim, big domestic teams and departments also want to win domestic competitions.

That is why there are hundreds of domestic players in every cricket country who are not international quality but they do a job for the domestic sides.

PCB should aim for 10-12 sides and that is what is going to happen eventually.

Actually the creme should play in the top 6 first class teams, the lower quality players got into the second eleven teams and club cricket, no one will get a free ride anymore

 

[shah_1]

Terrible from IK, he should not be following the model of the most successful cricketing nation ever. He should have continued with Salman Butt Ghulab Jamuns v Hajis Spices. That system has been working excellently for the last 3 decades.

System would make sense if players weren't given such low salary package. Rs 50,000 is a joke, a uber earns as much as this. Cricketers need to earn enough to able to plan their life after retirement(avg age must be around 35). Comparison with Sheild cricket is useless, Australian circketers are earning a lot in domestic cricket. I heard that cricketers that don't make to first class are given university scholorships

 

[Bewal Express]

The sole purpose of domestic cricket is not to help international cricket. It is a major aim, big domestic teams and departments also want to win domestic competitions.

That is why there are hundreds of domestic players in every cricket country who are not international quality but they do a job for the domestic sides.

PCB should aim for 10-12 sides and that is what is going to happen eventually.

Domestic cricket should have one purpose at the FC level at that is to find the elite cricketers for your national team. If these Dept teams want to win things, they should buy franchises for T20 leagues, Does anyone care if Hajis Spices wins the patrons trophy, no. If you want quantity that is fine but then don't complain about quality. We have fallen behind because we don't have enough good cricketers playing against other good cricketers. This year has been a start and over time the system should be refined and improved.

 

[Bewal Express]

System would make sense if players weren't given such low salary package. Rs 50,000 is a joke, a uber earns as much as this. Cricketers need to earn enough to able to plan their life after retirement(avg age must be around 35). Comparison with Sheild cricket is useless, Australian circketers are earning a lot in domestic cricket. I heard that cricketers that don't make to first class are given university scholorships

The pay is poor. As I said open a window between the end of QA trophy and the start of PSL

 

[Yati]

This is not the logic at all. This is doing math without using common sense and logic. If we extend this formula, then a country like New Zealand should only have 1 F/C team because of the small number of players in their country.

The point is that 6 teams are not enough for Pakistan cricket because we have too many professional cricketers.

That doesn’t mean that we should have 50 teams so that we can accommodate everyone, but when you are restricting yourself to only 6 sides and thus just about 150 active cricketers, you are denying the opportunity to hundreds of professional cricketers.

38 teams may not be enough for India’s population but they are playing 700+ active cricketers in domestic cricket, and Pakistan needs to aim for a similar number.

If reducing the number of players in domestic cricket was the gold key for improving the quality of cricket, India would have done it as well.

If that’s the case then Pakistan should just have 3 F/C sides so that nearly every player is then international quality.

The only reason I did the math was because you were comparing Australia and Pakistan Populations, now that I am comparing Indias population it doesn't matter. Pick a damn side.

 

[AdamM97]

Division 2 football players in Sweden barely get more than 8,000 SEK for playing football and sometimes get a small bonus for winning games. A friend of mine has to do a part-time job at JD Sports to get his "rozi roti" because of the low wages. This isn't a solely Pakistan issue.

If this new system can bring significant amount of improvement in the next few years, it's fine. Pakistan doesn't have money growing on trees, it has to compromise and prioritize.

 

[shah_1]

Division 2 football players in Sweden barely get more than 8,000 SEK for playing football and sometimes get a small bonus for winning games. A friend of mine has to do a part-time job at JD Sports to get his "rozi roti" because of the low wages. This isn't a solely Pakistan issue.

If this new system can bring significant amount of improvement in the next few years, it's fine. Pakistan doesn't have money growing on trees, it has to compromise and prioritize.

It is division 2 lol.

Cricket is the only sports played in Pakistan, 6 teams with best players in the country are earning Rs 50, 000 is a joke.

 

[AdamM97]

It is division 2 lol.

Cricket is the only sports played in Pakistan, 6 teams with best players in the country are earning Rs 50, 000 is a joke.

PCB, like SvFF are two very small governing bodies. PCB might even be smaller than SvFF in terms of money.

PCB doesn’t have as much money as BCCI or Australia Cricket, just like SvFF doesn’t have as much money as the governing bodies of English football or German football.

Rs 50,000 is a low amount, no doubt. But I hardly doubt that PCB has any other choice except for returning to the old system which might satisfy a bunch of players, but it won’t improve Pakistan cricket one bit.

 

[shah_1]

PCB, like SvFF are two very small governing bodies. PCB might even be smaller than SvFF in terms of money.

PCB doesn’t have as much money as BCCI or Australia Cricket, just like SvFF doesn’t have as much money as the governing bodies of English football or German football.

Rs 50,000 is a low amount, no doubt. But I hardly doubt that PCB has any other choice except for returning to the old system which might satisfy a bunch of players, but it won’t improve Pakistan cricket one bit.

What are division 1 players earning?

Wasim Khan salary = 60 FC players monthly retainer

Unfair. Cricketers are the real stakeholders and are the reason for sucess and failures

 

[Markhor]

Yab lets have 16 teams again in FC, so the poor cricketers can make money, because apparently there are no other work they can do. Why dont we make it 32 FC teams so all the gully cricketers can make money also from departmental jobs. Before this new structure came in, we were complaining where is the domestic talent, now that PCB is trying to weed out low talent players, suddenly we care about players jobs. Like pick a side the old structure was not working, give the new system a chance atleast, but know Pakistanis have no patience.

Exactly, since when was it the PCB's role to be the cricketing version of the Edhi Foundation for downtrodden cricketers ?

PCB's primary cricketing responsibility is to ensure the flow of quality cricketers to the Pakistan national side through maintaining a strong, competitive domestic system. For 20 years it has failed to do that, prioritising quantity over quality and look at our rankings today.

Despite popular belief, there are probably only around 6 teams worth of FC standard cricketers in Pakistan. The 2nd XI competition has many very mediocre cricketers who were stealing a living playing FC cricket in the old system.

I'm sorry but if you cannot keep your FC batting average above 25-30, or your bowling average below 35-40, then I cannot expect PCB to subsidise your standard of living. In any other job, mediocre performances are not rewarded like we were doing for years.

 

[Savak]

What are division 1 players earning?

Wasim Khan salary = 60 FC players monthly retainer

Unfair. Cricketers are the real stakeholders and are the reason for sucess and failures

Not these low quality low tier domestic cricketers who have rightfully been terminated

 

[Titan24]

It is division 2 lol.

Cricket is the only sports played in Pakistan, 6 teams with best players in the country are earning Rs 50, 000 is a joke.

50,000? How are you getting this number? If you see the first page of this thread I guess salaries have been discussed comprehensively and all the top players can earn around Rs 2 to 2.5 mln per year including everything.

 

[shah_1]

50,000? How are you getting this number? If you see the first page of this thread I guess salaries have been discussed comprehensively and all the top players can earn around Rs 2 to 2.5 mln per year including everything.

I'm talking about monthly retainer. Reminder for some people who have no clue. Is WI more rich than us?

Apparently WI domestic cricketers get a monthly retainer of $1,500 to $2,500
https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2.386023.2f2aff138e


Some people here think $150 to $300 monthly retainer is good enough

PCB is exploiting these poor cricketers

 

[Titan24]

I'm talking about monthly retainer. Reminder for some people who have no clue. Is WI more rich than us?



PCB is exploiting these poor cricketers

There was an article in 2017 which compared the salaries of the cricketing world. Even then the national contracted players had one of the lowest retainer fee which was in the bottom three but their match fees was much superior than many which made the overall earnings of Pak national cricketers in mid tier. Which shows retainers havent been too high in Pak cricket and even previous domestic structure players weren’t being paid hefty sum of money as retainers. Yes some of Pak national players were being paid quite a hefty sum from departments but those players were handful and will definitely be effected by it but overall some of the good players who werent national players will be earning much more. Also not to forget the some of the biggest departments of private sector were already on their way to dissociate themselves from domestic cricket.

PCB has increased the overall domestic sum but the retainer is being carried on almost like before which is definitely something that can be looked at but it has nothing to do with the new domestic structure except in national player’s case. Also for the national team players if it wasnt already looked at as some of them were paid a pretty hefty sums from departments monthly alongside their national contracts.

 

[Savak]

So, in wake of the COVID crisis, will PCB's plans for domestic cricket be affected?

There was already talk about the PCB allowing departments to participate in an ODI and T-20 tournament during the year

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[Savak]

PIA has shut down their department and have told their players to report back to their regular jobs.

The freebies are ending

 

[SensiblePakFan]

PIA has shut down their department and have told their players to report back to their regular jobs.

The freebies are ending

Theyve finally given up hope of departments coming back, good.

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: (UrduPoint/UrduPoint / Pakistan Point News-Oct 8th, 2020) Former Domestic Cricket Coach Imran Raza was selling fruits to feed his family after losing his career with cricket-coaching.

Imran Raza was cricket-coach and cricket-organizer who trained many famous cricketers including Shoaib Malik and Sarfraz Ahmad.

“There are many players including Sarfraz Ahmad, Awais who played under my coaching at Adeel Shah Stadium,” said Imran Raza while responding to a question about his role as a coach and the players whom he trained.

“I have four children and I do this work to feed them,” said the former coach.

He called himself “star-coach” but he was much disappointed.

Imran Raza asked Javed Miandad and Shoaib Malik to do something for his future.

He also urged Prime Minister Imran Khan to revive departmental cricket. He also reminded Imran Khan of departmental cricket, especially the victories of PIA in his [Imran Khan] time.

It may be mentioned here that after closure of departmental cricket many coaches, trainers and players are doing different jobs like driving taxies, selling fruits on the roads and working at shops to make both ends meet.

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/sports/former-cricket-coach-sells-fruits-to-make-bo-1051257.html

 

[shah_1]

Why these jobs in Pakistan are generally looked down upon? We as a society need to grow and respect every legal profession in Pakistan. All these profession complete the society funtionality.
[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]

 

[Shazzam]

Its kinda weird when you hear Wasim Khan speaking of this idea he makes it seem like all is well. Where as when you see the cricketers speak they tell a different story.

 

[JattMaula]

Why these jobs in Pakistan are generally looked down upon? We as a society need to grow and respect every legal profession in Pakistan. All these profession complete the society funtionality.
[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]

While I agree that minimum wage jobs are looked down in our societies this is a case of underemployment. If he is a highly skilled cricket coach then having to take a job with less pay and lesser/different skill is a problem.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Its kinda weird when you hear Wasim Khan speaking of this idea he makes it seem like all is well. Where as when you see the cricketers speak they tell a different story.

It’s a fantastic idea for Pakistan Cricket. It’s not a great idea for the people who were cut out of the system.

At the end of the day, PCB does not exist to provide jobs. It exists to develop the Pakistan Team.

Regarding this article about Imran Raza, he will find a way back into the system within 2 years once clubs and city cricket associations are fully functional. Once this happens, there will actually be more coaches in the system in 2025 than in 2015, if all goes well.

You can quote me on this post if it is not the case by then. For now, there is nothing else that can be done.

 

[Savak]

Its kinda weird when you hear Wasim Khan speaking of this idea he makes it seem like all is well. Where as when you see the cricketers speak they tell a different story.

Wasim Khan is responsible for ensuring quality and competitiveness in Domestic Cricket, not for providing jobs to each and every undeserving candidate

 

[shamaan]

Wasim Khan is responsible for ensuring quality and competitiveness in Domestic Cricket, not for providing jobs to each and every undeserving candidate

He should be held responsible for selecting misbah or should imran khan be held responsible ?

 

[MenInG]

Problem is that these cricketers are not educated - if they cant play cricket - what else will they do?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Problem is that these cricketers are not educated - if they cant play cricket - what else will they do?

Unfortunately true. Guess he will have to wait for the CCAs to come online then begin a job hunt.

Regardless, there are always things to do. He can start up his own academy or join a club.

 

[MenInG]

Shahid Afridi speaking to the media:

"During PSL, I called over Babar Azam, Mushtaq Ahmed, Mohammad Akram and Arshad Khan to my hotel room and asked to come up with an idea of an association which could, side by side of PCB, provide annual support to all our deserving sportsmen - Inshallah I will provide an update on this soon"

 

[ataullah]

Ibrar zaman.

Hes from my club, a fantastic bowler

Very sad news regarding ibrar i just heard his interview. Hes complaining about PCB not paying for his return trip from NCA to home and ignoring him at NCA. Now he sold his spikes and works at a food place

 

[MenInG]

QUETTA – Pakistan’s first-class cricketer Muhammad Naeem shot dead for resisting a robbery attempt in Balochistan’s Chaman district on Saturday.

According to local law enforcers, the incident occurred in the Kali Haji Akbar Salehzai area of Chaman when a youth cricketer was shot dead.

Naeem was on his way home on a motorbike from the local market when the muggers surround and later killed him.

Following the death of Chaman resident, the family of the victim staged a protest by placing the dead body in front of the Deputy Commissioner’s office. The protesters burnt tires and closed the Mall Road for traffic and demanded the provincial government to arrest the killers.

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/18-...cricketer-shot-dead-for-resisting-robbery-bid

 

[Markhor]

PCB introduce paid parental leave for male and female cricketers for the first time

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/56979510

Pakistan has become the latest cricketing nation to formalise a support policy for parents.

Players from the country's women's team can transfer to a non-playing role until the start of their maternity leave.They can also take up to 12 months of paid maternity leave and will be guaranteed a contract extension for the following year.

Male players will be entitled to up to 30 days of paid leave.

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) will also help support childcare for a women player if they are required to travel for cricketing activities.

The first player to take advantage of the policy could be captain Bismah Maroof who announced earlier this year that she was taking an indefinite break from the game "as motherhood beckons".

"The PCB has a duty of care towards its cricketers and at every turn it has taken measures to support them," said chief executive Wasim Khan.

"It is appropriate that we have a player-friendly parental support policy so that our professional cricketers can feel fully supported during an important stage in their lives, without worrying about their careers.

"I am hopeful that it will attract more women and girls to take up the sport as this will help them strike the crucial work-life balance."

New Zealand and Australia have already put formal policies in place to support their cricketers.

In 2019, Amy Satterthwaite was the first player to benefit from New Zealand Cricket's pregnancy leave policy and retained her contract for the following season on full pay.

Cricket Australia also introduced a parental policy in 2019 after three years of consultation with the players' union, the Australian Cricketers' Association.

However, earlier this year, there was criticism levelled at India captain Virat Kohli after he took parental leave midway through the series against Australia to be with his wife, Bollywood actress Anushka Sharma, for the birth of their first child.

This was sorely needed at a time when player-family relations will be very strained with COVID bubbles meaning players must spend long periods away from home.

Good to see some humanity from the board, and the emphasis on duty of care especially for the female cricketers who've been neglected for so long by previous admins.

 

[Titan24]

Great initiative. Hope to see more such initiatives in future with regards to healthcare and post retirement plans for both international as well as domestic cricketers.

 

[shamaan]

Good stuff from pcb well done.

 

[King-Misbah]

Good stuff! I hope one day, we see this for domestic cricketers too.

 

[Hasan123]

Well done PCB.

 

[Savak]

Ramiz announced an Rs 100,000 increase in the monthly salaries for domestic players. Hopefully they will stop complaining now that they had higher and better perks with the depts.

 

[unemployedgm]

There needs to be more deliberation on this subject.

 

[MenInG]

May ALLAH swt give Abid Ali health but our cricketers do not have a safety net if they have to retire early.

PCB needs to address this via some sort of long-term disability insurance scheme.

 

[Savak]

What's the status of domestic cricket today?

 

[MenInG]

Some encouraging reports if true:


PCB is to introduce a Players Compensation Fund (PCF) to prolong and protect the international career of leading cricketers

A PCB official said that the Board in principle has agreed to introduce the PCF to protect cricketers’ careers.

“No doubt some extraordinary cricketers are part of the Pakistan team for both formats. We need to protect their careers so that they can play for the country as long as they can. For this purpose, the Board has decided to introduce the Players Compensation Fund. Though we have yet to determine the total budget for the fund, it has been decided that the Fund will be introduced to help protect the career of leading cricket. These cricketers will be compensated for not signing up with T20 franchises and County Cricket,” the official said.