Improving the quality of Pakistan cricket versus the welfare of Pakistani domestic cricketers

[Savak]

Again why would they do that , whats they going to get?

They get ownership and administrative control of the regions, they get the best possible opportunity to utilize the region to market their products, services, brands, they get to still utilize the department players to promote their company and the region together. They had the opportunity to keep the systems of Departments and regions together but they chose to not cooperate and therefore they are now responsible for the state of affairs today.

The affected departmental players should actually be upset with the departments rather than the PCB who tried their best to facilitate the departments.

 

[Savak]

Maybe they could have done it so the departments sponsor the current teams. E.g. WAPDA sponsors central Punjab. PCB still selects the players and the coaches for the teams, but the deparments pay the cricketers.

This is what the PCB offered to the departments. All department cricket heads were called in by the PCB and made to fill out detailed documents where they were asked to reveal how much did they spend on their cricketing team per annum, the PCB then requested these departments to put this same amount into sponsoring a region and taking over the region. The departments refused even though there was no additional cost involved to them.

 

[Savak]

For a system to work

1)Young kids trusting that it is merit based pathway to reach to the top
2)Quality cricket infrastructure
3) Domestic cricketers feeling financially secure in the system

India has all three points covered that is why they are the best team in the world. The number of FC teams don't matter

First point, if the departments were so merit based, why were their players in their late 30's, early 40's on their payroll and teams, players who had never played for Pakistan before at all, or had played just a few handful of matches, why were the departments continuing to pick players with very poor batting averages season after season.

Third point, what did Pakistan Cricket get out of the handouts given to the department players? Why are the likes of Saad Altaf carrying insane body fat in domestic cricket? Why have the skill levels and fitness levels of these handsomely rewarded and compensated department players lagged behind Indian Cricketers in general.

The system was no longer working and needed a revamp and it was about time Pakistan's domestic cricket structure was put on the lines of the vast majority of domestic cricket structures around the world i.e. regional teams.

 

[shah_1]

First point, if the departments were so merit based, why were their players in their late 30's, early 40's on their payroll and teams, players who had never played for Pakistan before at all, or had played just a few handful of matches, why were the departments continuing to pick players with very poor batting averages season after season.

Third point, what did Pakistan Cricket get out of the handouts given to the department players? Why are the likes of Saad Altaf carrying insane body fat in domestic cricket? Why have the skill levels and fitness levels of these handsomely rewarded and compensated department players lagged behind Indian Cricketers in general.

The system was no longer working and needed a revamp and it was about time Pakistan's domestic cricket structure was put on the lines of the vast majority of domestic cricket structures around the world i.e. regional teams.

I never said that last system was working perfectly. Infact it was a failure

Will this system be of any interest for young aspring cricketers. Will there be more youngsters getting involved at junior level? How to do you identify, process talent, and give him an early push at domestic level.

If these questions have postive answers then the system is working fine.

 

[Savak]

I never said that last system was working perfectly. Infact it was a failure

Will this system be of any interest for young aspring cricketers. Will there be more youngsters getting involved at junior level? How to do you identify, process talent, and give him an early push at domestic level.

If these questions have postive answers then the system is working fine.

The previous structure had 72 years. Only fair to give the new system 10% of 70 years.

 

[aloo paratha]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]
A highly talented test ready prospect like Sameen Gul couldnt find a place in a regional side tells you alot about merit based selections , This system without the presence of Dept cricket will only result in younger players interest dwindling.

Freeloaders will be kicked out, but it'll take time. Remember back to the first PSL, there were so many TTFs but now since there's an actual spotlight on the tournament, people will be called out for poor selections. Before with 20+ teams, non performers could hide as nobody cared enough to watch or follow FC cricket.

 

[Savak]

Freeloaders will be kicked out, but it'll take time. Remember back to the first PSL, there were so many TTFs but now since there's an actual spotlight on the tournament, people will be called out for poor selections. Before with 20+ teams, non performers could hide as nobody cared enough to watch or follow FC cricket.

I have watched interviews of Sohail Tanvir, Aizaz Cheema on tv and they have conceeded that yes a lot of cricketers have been let go, financially affected for the worse under the new structure but the quality of cricket has improved dramatically given that the creme is playing together.

 

[the Great Khan]

So people complain about the previous system. Then when we finally get a decent system we hear complaints about the new system.

The truth is there are two issues here.

The old system needed restructuring. But the PCB should have helped setup a welfare org for those that were made redundant.

Also if the old players are so concerned why don't they setup welfare orgs for these players?

The old system was unsustainable. But the collateral damage should have been managed better possibly with got help.

 

[Savak]

So people complain about the previous system. Then when we finally get a decent system we hear complaints about the new system.

The truth is there are two issues here.

The old system needed restructuring. But the PCB should have helped setup a welfare org for those that were made redundant.

Also if the old players are so concerned why don't they setup welfare orgs for these players?

The old system was unsustainable. But the collateral damage should have been managed better possibly with got help.

I would actually argue that it is the Pakistani govt which should take care of the unemployed. But ultimately it is the onus on the individual to prepare alternative means to make a living, it is their fault for putting all their eggs in one basket i.e. Cricket. Not everyone can play

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Some sort of pension plan should be in pmace for retired cricketers who have played in a minimum number of seasons to prevent these sad stories.

 

[Danyaalr01]

Was there not redundancy package for the players who were completely dropped. PCB and the old departments should have organised that.

 

[Savak]

Some sort of pension plan should be in pmace for retired cricketers who have played in a minimum number of seasons to prevent these sad stories.

Have seen it many times, these players will complain that the pension is peanuts and not enough

 

[shah_1]

Have seen it many times, these players will complain that the pension is peanuts and not enough

Pakistan goverment should invite all the province U19 players(120 players), most of them belong to poor background. Pakistan goverment can start a programe where these kids could be taught skills to survive without cricket. It happens in Australia, and Rahul Dravid is planning a similar programme for U19 kids in India.

Tevta and other vocational training insitute could link up with PCB. PCB could also link with their sponsors to get these U19 kids some sort of internships.

Better than pension

 

[Savak]

Pakistan goverment should invite all the province U19 players(120 players), most of them belong to poor background. Pakistan goverment can start a programe where these kids could be taught skills to survive without cricket. It happens in Australia, and Rahul Dravid is planning a similar programme for U19 kids in India.

Tevta and other vocational training insitute could link up with PCB. PCB could also link with their sponsors to get these U19 kids some sort of internships.

Better than pension

Sure but like any society the ultimate owness of livelihood is with the players themselves, they have to work hard, do odd jobs while studying and putting themselves through colleges, universities, educational programs, training courses, professional exams or consider starting a business which will open doors for them in other areas

This is standard practice in the West. In the West you will find stories of immigrants who started off by driving taxis, working as security guards but are now millionaires with mansions. Why do our domestic cricketers consider it insulting and beneath them to drive ubers? Playing domestic cricket is not a right

 

[shah_1]

Sure but like any society the ultimate owness of livelihood is with the players themselves, they have to work hard, do odd jobs while studying and putting themselves through colleges, universities, educational programs, training courses, professional exams or consider starting a business which will open doors for them in other areas

This is standard practice in the West. In the West you will find stories of immigrants who started off by driving taxis, working as security guards but are now millionaires with mansions. Why do our domestic cricketers consider it insulting and beneath them to drive ubers? Playing domestic cricket is not a right

Lol you live in a bubble. Most of them belong from extremly poor background, they have no direction and means to get jobs.

What are these vocational training centers for? Teach people to get skills, get the the manpower for the industry growth and reduce unemployment . Goverment can take the lead and help these cricketers get required skills to get jobs. Good for the country and cricketers.

Rahul Dravid is smart enough, and he knows the advantage of such programme unlike you

 

[Savak]

Lol you live in a bubble. Most of them belong from extremly poor background, they have no direction and means to get jobs.

What are these vocational training centers for? Teach people to get skills, get the the manpower for the industry growth and reduce unemployment . Goverment can take the lead and help these cricketers get required skills to get jobs. Good for the country and cricketers.

Rahul Dravid is smart enough, and he knows the advantage of such programme unlike you

Do you honestly think that young people in the West would be doing odd jobs even full time jobs, taking loans and enrolling themselves in college taking 5 courses a semmester and these young people fully supporting their living expenses including rent, meals, travel and university fees if they came from well off backgrounds? Just working to earn a living eats up 50 hours a week and they have to use whatever limited time they have to study for the 5 courses per semmester.

If anything it is the Pakistani nation overall which needs to improve their attitude. These poor people can do so many things to make a living, even unskilled, illitrate immigrants who come to the west do hard manual labour in factories, construction sites to earn a living

 

[Savak]

I am sorry but overall this thread just shows and highlights the work ethic of the Pakistani nation and their sense of entitlement.

My uncle was telling me about the PTI govt making it mandatory for Engineering companies to hire atleast one fresh graduate from University to work on projects and to pay them a Stipend of Rs 20,000 per month, however some graduates complained about relocation costs, about moving and they could not survive on such a low amount and therefore the govt relaxed its requirements and allowed these students to work from home for these engineering companies. End result is that some of these students are now abusing the system and are applying to 2-3 engineering firms for the same program even though they are already working for one engineering firm so that they can enjoy a far greater slice of the pie.

 

[the Great Khan]

I would actually argue that it is the Pakistani govt which should take care of the unemployed. But ultimately it is the onus on the individual to prepare alternative means to make a living, it is their fault for putting all their eggs in one basket i.e. Cricket. Not everyone can play

in the future perhaps. But in the short term the PCB and the govt should initiate a scheme to help the players made redundant by the organisational review. Thats how it works elsewhere.

 

[the Great Khan]

I am sorry but overall this thread just shows and highlights the work ethic of the Pakistani nation and their sense of entitlement.

My uncle was telling me about the PTI govt making it mandatory for Engineering companies to hire atleast one fresh graduate from University to work on projects and to pay them a Stipend of Rs 20,000 per month, however some graduates complained about relocation costs, about moving and they could not survive on such a low amount and therefore the govt relaxed its requirements and allowed these students to work from home for these engineering companies. End result is that some of these students are now abusing the system and are applying to 2-3 engineering firms for the same program even though they are already working for one engineering firm so that they can enjoy a far greater slice of the pie.

This is a result of a lack of planning and concentration on labour policies. These should then be underpinned by systems and processes that can enhance, enforce and allow monitoring.

For example nobody should be able to hold more than one role once they have accepted and begun to work somewhere.

The PTI have some good policies but they don't seem to have the time or money to look at the underlying processes that can help deliver some of these policies. This is also a result of inate corruption within the system itself, a lack of expertise, money and desire to make changes.

The PTI must make workers rights and labour process policies a key part of their manifesto moving forward.

 

[MenInG]

And now we have T10 where the fringe players can also earn money - but that's been stopped as well! Bit unfair I think on players.

 

[Savak]

And now we have T10 where the fringe players can also earn money - but that's been stopped as well! Bit unfair I think on players.

Not sure if I can blame the PCB here, the best players need to be playing domestic cricket

 

[MenInG]

Not sure if I can blame the PCB here, the best players need to be playing domestic cricket

Think by undermining T10 and possibly leading to its downfall, PCB will deprive many players of their livelihood.

 

[MMHS]

Think by undermining T10 and possibly leading to its downfall, PCB will deprive many players of their livelihood.

PCB should pay it's top 35 cricketers fat money, and block them from any PL/SL outside PSL (But should be allowed to play FC/List A games in UK) - PAK players are not playing in any case at IPL, therefore PCB's risk factor is lower. Apart from them, rest should be allowed to play every where, everything.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Think by undermining T10 and possibly leading to its downfall, PCB will deprive many players of their livelihood.

We dont know if its final yet.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

They are just killing whatever talent is left in Pak by depriving them of livelihood , What's PCB doing?

 

[shah_1]

They are just killing whatever talent is left in Pak by depriving them of livelihood , What's PCB doing?

Pakistan Hockey has no money at domestic level = death of hockey in Pakistan

I fear the same for Pakistan cricket

 

[shah_1]

Welfare of the cricketers is the only way cricket can be attractive for kids and Pakistan cricket can prosper.

The boards that are paying the best to domestic cricketers are excelling at cricket

India
Australia
England

 

[MenInG]

We dont know if its final yet.

Hope not.

People willing to put in money into Pakistan cricket and its players arent that many so we should be a little careful in discouraging them.

 

[King-Misbah]

They are just killing whatever talent is left in Pak by depriving them of livelihood , What's PCB doing?

They are rewarding only the best, how is that killing talent? :s

This is how organisations work. PCB is not a charity. In the real world, only the best get paid and people who dont deliver get the sack.

 

[shah_1]

Think by undermining T10 and possibly leading to its downfall, PCB will deprive many players of their livelihood.

What is the point of blocking NOC of Sohail Tanvir, Muhammad Irfan, Mohammad Amir, Shoaib Malik(A category=$45,000 and also Wahab Riaz, Hafeez, Imad Wasim in B category?

I understand Hasnian, Harif Rauf not being given a NOC but all other players mentioned above have no business or future in first class cricket

 

[Abdullah719]

PCB Terminates 250 Employees Without Pay

LAHORE: (Urdu Point/ UrduPoint / Pakistan Point News-Nov 6th, 2019) Pakistan Cricket board (PCB) terminated 250 employees few days ago could not get salaries, the sources said.

They said the PCB employees who were sacked had been waiting for thier salaries while Wajid Hussain, the Rawalpindi Curator, died but he could not get three months salary.

Commenting on death of Wajid Hussain, PCB spokesperson said that they would do something what they could do for Wajid Hussain. He also said that the employees who were terminated would be paid their dues within a day or so.

The employees were hired on two-month contract purely on human grounds, said the spokesperson, adding that they had been working for the well-fair of the employees.

Last month, an helpless cricketer joined an online network to ride bike to meet both ends meet in Karachi after he lost his job with the cricket.
Muhammad Waqas, an emerging cricket star, played under 19 cricket world cup and represented Pakistan in Asia cup started running his own bike in the city. He would now work for transportation of citizens from one side of the city to other.

After departmental cricket came to an end, hundreds and thousands of cricketers lost their jobs across the country. The departmental cricket was excluded from the domestic cricket structure.

Muhammad Waqasm, who runs bike through an online company, played for 60 first class matches.

“Now the cricket is end and the teams are over,” said Waqas who was pictured while riding a bike. “Seeing our fate, the children of poor families will never think about cricket,”.

He said many cricketers are doing different things to support their families financially.

“I used to get Rs 60,000 and now I run bike through an online company and earn Rs 600 to Rs 700,” said Muhammad Waqas. He said he thought he would play for Pakistan but now he saw others playing and one thing was sure that now the children of poor families would not join cricket.

A few days ago a video went viral showing another player Fazl Subhan who played 40 first class matches and took part in 29 A class matches but was running a rented car of Suzuki to meet the financial needs of his family.

“I played well and proved myself to be the part of national cricket team but unfortunately I’m out now, said Subhan adding that “ he is jobless and runs his car service to earn money,”. He stated that he earned 30 to 35 thousands but it was very hard for him to meet the daily expenses of the family.

He used to get Rs 100,000 when he used to play as member of the departmental cricket teams, he added.

Thousands of cricketers have lost their jobs after the departmental cricket was excluded from the cricket structure and now the young talent was unable to be part of the domestic cricket. It may be mentioned here that incumbent Prime Minister Imran Khan was a cricketer but still no policy came to the limelight about welfare and development of young players despite that what PM Khan is today is because of cricket.

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/sports/pcb-terminates-250-employees-without-pay-755160.html

 

[MenInG]

A high-powered Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) delegation led by its Chairman Ehsan Mani called on Mohammad Wasim, Acting Managing Director, SSGC and his top management at the Company Head Office.

The Chairman PCB was accompanied by Wasim Khan, CEO, Babar Hameed, Chief Commercial Officer and Haroon Rashid, Director Operations, Usman among others. The SSGC management that participated in the meeting also comprised of Imran Farookhi, DMD (Corporate Services), Colonel Shoaib Ahmed (retd), GM (Administrative Services)/Secretary SSGC Sports Board, Fasihuddin Fawad, ASGM (Regulatory Affair).

Mani and his team members discussed with the SSGC initiatives and reforms presently taken by the PCB for the change in the domestic cricket structure in Pakistan. Chairman PCB said that the Cricket Board is implementing the restructuring of domestic cricket after studying the cricket set-up of cricket boards in different countries.

He also apprised the SSGC management about the ongoing domestic cricket and urged upon SSGC to support PCB particularly in developing the new region based structure.

The SSGC management said that the Company has always played an active role in the promotion of sports and in particular cricket in Pakistan. The proposal put forward by PCB will be deliberated upon and discussed at the management level.-PR

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/11/07/542231/pcb-discusses-domestic-set-up-with-ssgc-management/

 

[JibranAnsari]

The standard of cricket this season has been very good as compared to last season , though the pitches could have been more supporting. The previous system was accomodating a lot of cricketers who , in all honesty , should not be playing fc cricket at first place. Only the top tier should be playing fc cricket , there are still 12 teams and accomodating a lot of players. Club cricket in pakisgan needs to strenhthen and also school cricket. I hope pcb collaborates with schools and arrange trainings and tournaments.

 

[AFM]

Club cricket in pakisgan needs to strenhthen and also school cricket. I hope pcb collaborates with schools and arrange trainings and tournaments.

The PCB will do no such thing. That’s the whole point of the new domestic structure. That responsibility will fall to each region manage their city and club cricket system. The PCB want to decentralise their own power and give more responsibility to each region. Wasim Khan said it would take a few seasons for that to fully develop, and each region will be held accountable to ensure they are actually doing their work.

 

[JibranAnsari]

The PCB will do no such thing. That’s the whole point of the new domestic structure. That responsibility will fall to each region manage their city and club cricket system. The PCB want to decentralise their own power and give more responsibility to each region. Wasim Khan said it would take a few seasons for that to fully develop, and each region will be held accountable to ensure they are actually doing their work.

Regions come under pcb and are paid by pcb , they need to start doing it today than tomorrow.

 

[shah_1]

The PCB will do no such thing. That’s the whole point of the new domestic structure. That responsibility will fall to each region manage their city and club cricket system. The PCB want to decentralise their own power and give more responsibility to each region. Wasim Khan said it would take a few seasons for that to fully develop, and each region will be held accountable to ensure they are actually doing their work.

There has been no sponsorship for cricket association till now, it will be difficult to manage all this with empty coffer, at the end it will be PCB providing hard cash to cricket association.

 

[shah_1]

A high-powered Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) delegation led by its Chairman Ehsan Mani called on Mohammad Wasim, Acting Managing Director, SSGC and his top management at the Company Head Office.

The Chairman PCB was accompanied by Wasim Khan, CEO, Babar Hameed, Chief Commercial Officer and Haroon Rashid, Director Operations, Usman among others. The SSGC management that participated in the meeting also comprised of Imran Farookhi, DMD (Corporate Services), Colonel Shoaib Ahmed (retd), GM (Administrative Services)/Secretary SSGC Sports Board, Fasihuddin Fawad, ASGM (Regulatory Affair).

Mani and his team members discussed with the SSGC initiatives and reforms presently taken by the PCB for the change in the domestic cricket structure in Pakistan. Chairman PCB said that the Cricket Board is implementing the restructuring of domestic cricket after studying the cricket set-up of cricket boards in different countries.

He also apprised the SSGC management about the ongoing domestic cricket and urged upon SSGC to support PCB particularly in developing the new region based structure.

The SSGC management said that the Company has always played an active role in the promotion of sports and in particular cricket in Pakistan. The proposal put forward by PCB will be deliberated upon and discussed at the management level.-PR

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/11/07/542231/pcb-discusses-domestic-set-up-with-ssgc-management/

PCB is literally begging for department for sponsorships. PCB know that the whole model hinges on sponsorship, they can’t keep on running the whole system through their own resources. It is financially not viable

According to reports, first they went to Wapda and they gave a cold shoulder to PCB. Don’t see SSGC saying yes to this proposal.

PCB threw departments out of the system like a chewing gum,don’t expect them to do any favours to PCB. Mani and Waseem in a tight spot.

 

[Savak]

There has been no sponsorship for cricket association till now, it will be difficult to manage all this with empty coffer, at the end it will be PCB providing hard cash to cricket association.

The PCB really needs to look at how the likes of England, Australia and India and the regions in these countries have managed to manage themselves and get sponsorships because that is the way to go.

 

[Savak]

PCB is literally begging for department for sponsorships. PCB know that the whole model hinges on sponsorship, they can’t keep on running the whole system through their own resources. It is financially not viable

According to reports, first they went to Wapda and they gave a cold shoulder to PCB. Don’t see SSGC saying yes to this proposal.

PCB threw departments out of the system like a chewing gum,don’t expect them to do any favours to PCB. Mani and Waseem in a tight spot.

Departments were asked to sponsor the regions, they refused and hence the PCB kicked departments out. The govt of Pakistan has already directed the departments to sponsor the regions so if the departments are in violation of that directive then there needs to be some consequences.

 

[Savak]

The standard of cricket this season has been very good as compared to last season , though the pitches could have been more supporting. The previous system was accomodating a lot of cricketers who , in all honesty , should not be playing fc cricket at first place. Only the top tier should be playing fc cricket , there are still 12 teams and accomodating a lot of players. Club cricket in pakisgan needs to strenhthen and also school cricket. I hope pcb collaborates with schools and arrange trainings and tournaments.

Quality Cricket triumphs everything.

 

[unemployedgm]

The PCB really needs to look at how the likes of England, Australia and India and the regions in these countries have managed to manage themselves and get sponsorships because that is the way to go.

This isn't accurate. The only country where domestic cricket is truly professional is England. Cricket Associations in Australia and India benefit from subsidies by the Cricket Board and by hosting matches. Cricket Associations in Pakistan no longer host matches. As a result there is no revenue driver for these organizations. No sponsor will ever support these the regions as currently constituted.

There needs to be a City Centric Domestic Cricket System. That system needs to be a combination of PCB, Public Partnership, and Private Partnership. The goal should be to make domestic cricket private. The PCB should govern it.

 

[shah_1]

The PCB really needs to look at how the likes of England, Australia and India and the regions in these countries have managed to manage themselves and get sponsorships because that is the way to go.

They earn $$$ through huge broadcast deals, board gives certain percentage of it to domestic cricket.

We have one Indian company(tensport) bidding for broadcasting rights. BCCI and IPL rights are fought competitively by Starsports and Sony network.

No one is willing to invest in Pakistan sports media

Read this to have an idea

https://www.dawn.com/news/1505180

 

[shah_1]

Departments were asked to sponsor the regions, they refused and hence the PCB kicked departments out. The govt of Pakistan has already directed the departments to sponsor the regions so if the departments are in violation of that directive then there needs to be some consequences.

Clearly they are not listening to PM directives otherwise regions would have got sponsorship by now.

 

[Savak]

Clearly they are not listening to PM directives otherwise regions would have got sponsorship by now.

Which is why the PCB needs to bring the matter to the attention of the PM and the Pakistani govt.

There is so much the Pakistani govt can do to encourage departments to provide jobs to the top 200-300 players in the country i.e. tax breaks, deductions to the organizations for every talented player they employ up to a limit ofcourse.

 

[Savak]

They earn $$$ through huge broadcast deals, board gives certain percentage of it to domestic cricket.

We have one Indian company(tensport) bidding for broadcasting rights. BCCI and IPL rights are fought competitively by Starsports and Sony network.

No one is willing to invest in Pakistan sports media

Read this to have an idea

https://www.dawn.com/news/1505180

I think things will get better once we consistently start hosting the entire PSL in Pakistan and hold 4-5 full series in Pakistan and get the big 5 teams to tour. I remember the PCB received $150 million from Ten Sports in the early 2000's for a period of 5-6 years but that also was because the PCB hosted India twice in 2004 and 2006.

 

[Savak]

This isn't accurate. The only country where domestic cricket is truly professional is England. Cricket Associations in Australia and India benefit from subsidies by the Cricket Board and by hosting matches. Cricket Associations in Pakistan no longer host matches. As a result there is no revenue driver for these organizations. No sponsor will ever support these the regions as currently constituted.

There needs to be a City Centric Domestic Cricket System. That system needs to be a combination of PCB, Public Partnership, and Private Partnership. The goal should be to make domestic cricket private. The PCB should govern it.

Someone has to pump an injection somewhere. I remember there was massive risk with the PSL and Sethi had to use patriotism, nationalism to encourage the Franchise owners to pay out of Pocket for the first season in national interest. Something similar needs to be done for regional cricket for the first few years.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

I don’t think it’s the job of the cricket board or even regional teams to provide for cricketers’ welfare when they are no longer contributing to the teams. I feel for them but having no welfare system is a countrywide issue and social security starts at the government level. So in that scenario cricketers are exposed to the same job insecurity that most others in the country experience.

BUT I feel this issue shouldn’t be swept under the rug either. For the purposes of corruption in cricket. Having financial woes with entire families to support leaves several of these players vulnerable to corrupt approaches. Even if they themselves won’t be in positions to fix anything, they still have access to domestic and international cricketers and can be a conduit for fixing approaches.

 

[unemployedgm]

Someone has to pump an injection somewhere. I remember there was massive risk with the PSL and Sethi had to use patriotism, nationalism to encourage the Franchise owners to pay out of Pocket for the first season in national interest. Something similar needs to be done for regional cricket for the first few years.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan’s discarded all-rounder Anwar Ali thinks that the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) should review their newly introduced policies regarding stopping players from playing international leagues.

While talking to the media at National Stadium Karachi (NSK) after Day 3 of Quaid-e-Azam (QeA) Trophy’s round seven ended, Anwar said that PCB should think about their policies.

“We are allowed to play two international leagues according to the contract which we have signed with the board. However, it was their decision to withdraw our NOC for the T10 league and we respected it,” Anwar said.

The bowling all-rounder also talked about PCB’s decision to dissolve departmental cricket which made plenty of cricketers unemployed.

“Dissolving departmental cricket caused problems for cricketers. Many lost their jobs and forced to do odd jobs. But, in the end, as a professional, we have to accept PCB’s policies,” Anwar said.

It must be noted here that PCB had introduced a new domestic structure consists of just regions. The decisions created difficulties for plenty of players who lost their jobs in departments.

On the other hand, the hard-hitting batsman, who is representing Sindh in the QeA Trophy, highlighted that injuries and change in his bowling style highly affected his performance.

“Ups and downs are a part of a cricketer’s career. I always try to focus on my game and improve it as much as I can,” Anwar concluded.

https://arysports.tv/pcb-should-reconsider-new-policies-says-anwar-ali/

 

[Savak]

Pakistan’s discarded all-rounder Anwar Ali thinks that the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) should review their newly introduced policies regarding stopping players from playing international leagues.

While talking to the media at National Stadium Karachi (NSK) after Day 3 of Quaid-e-Azam (QeA) Trophy’s round seven ended, Anwar said that PCB should think about their policies.

“We are allowed to play two international leagues according to the contract which we have signed with the board. However, it was their decision to withdraw our NOC for the T10 league and we respected it,” Anwar said.

The bowling all-rounder also talked about PCB’s decision to dissolve departmental cricket which made plenty of cricketers unemployed.

“Dissolving departmental cricket caused problems for cricketers. Many lost their jobs and forced to do odd jobs. But, in the end, as a professional, we have to accept PCB’s policies,” Anwar said.

It must be noted here that PCB had introduced a new domestic structure consists of just regions. The decisions created difficulties for plenty of players who lost their jobs in departments.

On the other hand, the hard-hitting batsman, who is representing Sindh in the QeA Trophy, highlighted that injuries and change in his bowling style highly affected his performance.

“Ups and downs are a part of a cricketer’s career. I always try to focus on my game and improve it as much as I can,” Anwar concluded.

https://arysports.tv/pcb-should-reconsider-new-policies-says-anwar-ali/

People in the West from poor families with dire financial situations do odd jobs and study full time in college fully supporting themselves i.e. the education, food, rent without any support from family and here we have Pakistani Cricketers complaining about odd jobs. God these departments have created a rotten culture of entitlement.

 

[azimiqbal]

I think real question we should be asking is in the past 5-10 years what cricketers has department cricket produced ?

Ideally I would love for sponsorship to come into the game and our domestic players all be paid handsomely so they only take part in the psl and play domestic cricket. Players who will not be picked for Pakistan should be allowed too play 2 leagues plus PSL.

 

[shah_1]

People in the West from poor families with dire financial situations do odd jobs and study full time in college fully supporting themselves i.e. the education, food, rent without any support from family and here we have Pakistani Cricketers complaining about odd jobs. God these departments have created a rotten culture of entitlement.

Playing professional sports is different from going to college and doing jobs. Domestic cricket is a proper job, and going to college is a one of the ways to get a job. Why would anyone want to do part time job when you are suppose to be top most quality cricketer in Pakistan(6 teams =quality)

Extremly poor comparison. Imagine you get a top job at google yet driving a uber to support your family. Does that happen anywhere in west? Of course not, person will be paid enough for not doing these 'odd jobs'

 

[Savak]

Playing professional sports is different from going to college and doing jobs. Domestic cricket is a proper job, and going to college is a one of the ways to get a job. Why would anyone want to do part time job when you are suppose to be top most quality cricketer in Pakistan(6 teams =quality)

Extremly poor comparison. Imagine you get a top job at google yet driving a uber to support your family. Does that happen anywhere in west? Of course not, person will be paid enough for not doing these 'odd jobs'

You will be surprised how many people do 2-3 jobs to make ends meet in the West. I know of young accounting graduates who do extra jobs because the pay early on in their professional careers are not good enough to support a family. People do odd jobs on the side inspite of having proper professional jobs. Its all about the culture of handouts and entitlement

Irfan was working in a factory from morning to afternoon to evening and would play cricket at night. These players who are complaining are unfortunately not top quality cricketers which is why they did not make it into the regional teams or the second divisions

 

[shah_1]

You will be surprised how many people do 2-3 jobs to make ends meet in the West. I know of young accounting graduates who do extra jobs because the pay early on in their professional careers are not good enough to support a family. People do odd jobs on the side inspite of having proper professional jobs. Its all about the culture of handouts and entitlement

Irfan was working in a factory from morning to afternoon to evening and would play cricket at night. These players who are complaining are unfortunately not top quality cricketers which is why they did not make it into the regional teams or the second divisions

You don’t understand the concept of elite cricketers = six teams. They shouldn’t be doing part time jobs.

Cricketers at city or club level can be part cricketers but not the elite cricketers playing for six teams. These elite cricketers need to totally focus on their game, their body and mind.

 

[minamino]

PCB is lucky that there is no players association in Pakistan otherwise Pakistan would have turned into another Zimbabwe and WI. South African cricketers union is on strike because 70 professional cricketers are expected to be unemployed due to the new domestic structure and here in Pakistan almost over 100 cricketers lost their jobs and posters here are celebrating because it ‘improves the quality’ of domestic. What about 100 of cricketers which are doing odd jobs now and some who are unemployed. For a country with a fragile economy like Pakistan, increasing unemployment makes it worse for the development. Sorry to say but PM IK and PCB (Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan) should come clean about this. Why are they adopting the domestic structure of Australia when the population of Pakistan is much higher than Australia? How would people here feel if they lose their jobs like that? Have some shame PCB!

 

[minamino]

PCB is lucky that there is no players association in Pakistan otherwise Pakistan would have turned into another Zimbabwe and WI. South African cricketers union is on strike because 70 professional cricketers are expected to be unemployed due to the new domestic structure and here in Pakistan almost over 100 cricketers lost their jobs and posters here are celebrating because it ‘improves the quality’ of domestic. What about 100 of cricketers which are doing odd jobs now and some who are unemployed. For a country with a fragile economy like Pakistan, increasing unemployment makes it worse for the development. Sorry to say but PM IK and PCB (Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan) should come clean about this. Why are they adopting the domestic structure of Australia when the population of Pakistan is much higher than Australia? How would people here feel if they lose their jobs like that? Have some shame PCB!

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

How do you think PCB should respond to the sudden unemployment of cricketers?

 

[Markhor]

PCB is lucky that there is no players association in Pakistan otherwise Pakistan would have turned into another Zimbabwe and WI. South African cricketers union is on strike because 70 professional cricketers are expected to be unemployed due to the new domestic structure and here in Pakistan almost over 100 cricketers lost their jobs and posters here are celebrating because it ‘improves the quality’ of domestic. What about 100 of cricketers which are doing odd jobs now and some who are unemployed. For a country with a fragile economy like Pakistan, increasing unemployment makes it worse for the development. Sorry to say but PM IK and PCB (Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan) should come clean about this. Why are they adopting the domestic structure of Australia when the population of Pakistan is much higher than Australia? How would people here feel if they lose their jobs like that? Have some shame PCB!

Sympathies should go to anybody who loses their job and are scrapping to make a living. Pakistani cricketers should form an association and have the collective bargaining rights as other nations.

However this argument that Pakistan's population merits more domestic teams is misplaced. India has 38 teams competing in the Ranji Trophy for a population of 1.339bn. That works out to approximately 1 FC team per 35M people. Pakistan has 6 FC teams for a population around 210M, which works out almost exactly the same proportion.

Pakistan had a FC competition with as many as 16-24 teams at one point, and it was to the detriment of Pakistan's national team as too many mediocre cricketers were in the system.

 

[shah_1]

Sympathies should go to anybody who loses their job and are scrapping to make a living. Pakistani cricketers should form an association and have the collective bargaining rights as other nations.

However this argument that Pakistan's population merits more domestic teams is misplaced. India has 38 teams competing in the Ranji Trophy for a population of 1.339bn. That works out to approximately 1 FC team per 35M people. Pakistan has 6 FC teams for a population around 210M, which works out almost exactly the same proportion.

Pakistan had a FC competition with as many as 16-24 teams at one point, and it was to the detriment of Pakistan's national team as too many mediocre cricketers were in the system.

This system is good but one month of departmental one day every year isn't a bad idea. It will keep the players engaged if they aren't part of 6 teams as city level cricketers aren't going to be paid much

 

[minamino]

Sympathies should go to anybody who loses their job and are scrapping to make a living. Pakistani cricketers should form an association and have the collective bargaining rights as other nations.

However this argument that Pakistan's population merits more domestic teams is misplaced. India has 38 teams competing in the Ranji Trophy for a population of 1.339bn. That works out to approximately 1 FC team per 35M people. Pakistan has 6 FC teams for a population around 210M, which works out almost exactly the same proportion.

Pakistan had a FC competition with as many as 16-24 teams at one point, and it was to the detriment of Pakistan's national team as too many mediocre cricketers were in the system.

I am not saying that there should be 20 teams but there should be at least 10 teams so players who were promising at one stage can keep on playing and aren’t dropped after one bad season. An example is Umair Masood, who looked amazing during the U19 WC and scored a century against WI team and most of the bowlers in that lineup has played for WI but Umair Masood is nowhere to be seen even in the second division. The comparison with India is useless because they have 100 of other leagues as well where cricketers make decent amount of money and then get millions of dollars from IPL like Varun of KXIP. There are a lot of players who are now doing jobs such as driving pick ups and shopkeeping

 

[shah_1]

I am not saying that there should be 20 teams but there should be at least 10 teams so players who were promising at one stage can keep on playing and aren’t dropped after one bad season. An example is Umair Masood, who looked amazing during the U19 WC and scored a century against WI team and most of the bowlers in that lineup has played for WI but Umair Masood is nowhere to be seen even in the second division. The comparison with India is useless because they have 100 of other leagues as well where cricketers make decent amount of money and then get millions of dollars from IPL like Varun of KXIP. There are a lot of players who are now doing jobs such as driving pick ups and shopkeeping

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People need to stop this comparison with Indian domestic circuit. They have so many T20 leagues in India where cricketers earn decent amount of money during off season

 

[Abdullah719]

I am not saying that there should be 20 teams but there should be at least 10 teams so players who were promising at one stage can keep on playing and aren’t dropped after one bad season. An example is Umair Masood, who looked amazing during the U19 WC and scored a century against WI team and most of the bowlers in that lineup has played for WI but Umair Masood is nowhere to be seen even in the second division. The comparison with India is useless because they have 100 of other leagues as well where cricketers make decent amount of money and then get millions of dollars from IPL like Varun of KXIP. There are a lot of players who are now doing jobs such as driving pick ups and shopkeeping

Umair Masood played some games for the Northern 2nd XIs, he is struggling but needs to be backed for a full season. He will get more chances.

 

[Markhor]

I am not saying that there should be 20 teams but there should be at least 10 teams so players who were promising at one stage can keep on playing and aren’t dropped after one bad season. An example is Umair Masood, who looked amazing during the U19 WC and scored a century against WI team and most of the bowlers in that lineup has played for WI but Umair Masood is nowhere to be seen even in the second division. The comparison with India is useless because they have 100 of other leagues as well where cricketers make decent amount of money and then get millions of dollars from IPL like Varun of KXIP. There are a lot of players who are now doing jobs such as driving pick ups and shopkeeping

Umair Masood played six games for Northern's 2nd XI this season.

Look there's no magic formula that'll calculate the right number of teams that'll appease everyone. Whether it should be 6, 8 or 10 teams is subjective but what's been proven in the last 20 years is the more teams we added to the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, the lower the standard of competition became.

Even now, the 5th and 6th teams in the current Quaid-e-Azam Trophy are struggling even though there's more of the best talent at their disposal in this condensed system.

Again this goes back to the question, what is the purpose of FC cricket ? Is it to give a job and benefits to all and sundry, or to produce a tough system of competition that'll filter out those with the best prospects to play for the Pakistan national team ?

In any event, when you look closely the old system was not as inclusive as it appeared. Last season from the 160 departmental players, 57 played no more than 2 FC games. So an elite of around only 100 cricketers enjoyed all these supposed perks and privileges from departmental cricket ! Whereas in this new model with six First XI and six Second XI teams, there's around 192 contracted players so there's MORE opportunities for players.

 

[minamino]

Umair Masood played six games for Northern's 2nd XI this season.

Look there's no magic formula that'll calculate the right number of teams that'll appease everyone. Whether it should be 6, 8 or 10 teams is subjective but what's been proven in the last 20 years is the more teams we added to the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, the lower the standard of competition became.

Even now, the 5th and 6th teams in the current Quaid-e-Azam Trophy are struggling even though there's more of the best talent at their disposal in this condensed system.

Again this goes back to the question, what is the purpose of FC cricket ? Is it to give a job and benefits to all and sundry, or to produce a tough system of competition that'll filter out those with the best prospects to play for the Pakistan national team ?

In any event, when you look closely the old system was not as inclusive as it appeared. Last season from the 160 departmental players, 57 played no more than 2 FC games. So an elite of around only 100 cricketers enjoyed all these supposed perks and privileges from departmental cricket ! Whereas in this new model with six First XI and six Second XI teams, there's around 192 contracted players so there's MORE opportunities for players.

Do you know how much the players in 2nd XI earn? In this current system you have players like Farhat, Tanvir, Gul etc eating up the spots of young players and when you ask the coach why do they select them in the XI, they said that they want to win games. Domestic is for nurturing talent, not for being selfish and winning the tournament. It’s the fault of PCB that they abruptly changed the system which is effecting the lives of cricketers. One of the biggest casualty of this change has been Fazal Subhan who played for Pakistan U19, Pakistan A and used to earn like 1 lakh rupees which is a lot for a Pakistani and now he has been forced to drive trucks.

 

[minamino]

Umair Masood played some games for the Northern 2nd XIs, he is struggling but needs to be backed for a full season. He will get more chances.

If 2nd XI is for young players then what is Jamal Anwar doing in the 2nd XI or the main Northern team. A 32 year old player with an average of 21 in FC and 16 in T20. Umair Masood has hardly set the FC on fire but its much better to invest in 21 year old keeper rather than a 32 year old.

 

[Abdullah719]

If 2nd XI is for young players then what is Jamal Anwar doing in the 2nd XI or the main Northern team. A 32 year old player with an average of 21 in FC and 16 in T20. Umair Masood has hardly set the FC on fire but its much better to invest in 21 year old keeper rather than a 32 year old.

I agree.

 

[shah_1]

Apparently WI domestic cricketers get a monthly retainer of $1,500 to $2,500
https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2.386023.2f2aff138e


Some people here think $150 to $300 monthly retainer is good enough

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[Saj]

If 2nd XI is for young players then what is Jamal Anwar doing in the 2nd XI or the main Northern team. A 32 year old player with an average of 21 in FC and 16 in T20. Umair Masood has hardly set the FC on fire but its much better to invest in 21 year old keeper rather than a 32 year old.

2nd XIs should be made up of young players who are up and coming and not has-beens who have been hanging around in domestic cricket for far too long.

 

[Abdullah719]

Akhtar Ayub played a couple of matches for HBL in 2018 and had some support from the department, now that's gone.

Jamshed Ahmed also had a departmental job, now he's working at the airport to make ends meet.

 

[Mamoon]

6 F/C teams, in spite of having second XIs, are too less for Pakistan’s population.

This is just another flop idea by Imran Khan who is obsessed with Shield Cricket but fails to appreciate the vastly different dynamics of Pakistan and Australia.

First, we have far more cricketers. Second, we are a third world country and if the domestic players are not paid be the departments, they can barely make ends meet.

Australia is a first world country that is top 10 in the world when it comes to Human Development Index. Human capital is not exploited there and people are not paid below the minimum wage.

It is quite possible to live a decent life in Australia by doing lowly jobs, but it is impossible in Pakistan.

Most of our players are not from well-off families and they have nowhere to go without the salaries of departments.

This flop idea will be reversed soon. A typical U-turn is on the cards.

 

[Abdullah719]

6 F/C teams, in spite of having second XIs, are too less for Pakistan’s population.

This is just another flop idea by Imran Khan who is obsessed with Shield Cricket but fails to appreciate the vastly different dynamics of Pakistan and Australia.

First, we have far more cricketers. Second, we are a third world country and if the domestic players are not paid be the departments, they can barely make ends meet.

Australia is a first world country that is top 10 in the world when it comes to Human Development Index. Human capital is not exploited there and people are not paid below the minimum wage.

It is quite possible to live a decent life in Australia by doing lowly jobs, but it is impossible in Pakistan.

Most of our players are not from well-off families and they have nowhere to go without the salaries of departments.

This flop idea will be reversed soon. A typical U-turn is on the cards.

We may have far more cricketers, but can you take a look at the 2nd XIs and confidently build a lineup of players from it who you think could compete with the first XI sides? I doubt it.

 

[shah_1]

It is sad that Sailkot, Lahore and Faisalabad( Central Punjab) are clubbed together. These three regions need to have separate team, so does Karachi and Peshawar.

KP(Fata and abbottabad)
Peshawar
Northerns
Lahore
Sialkot
Faisalabad
Sindh(Hyderabad, and Larkana)
Karachi
South Punjab
Balochistan


It is so hard for Huraira, Irfan Niazi, Ali Zaryab and Abdullah Shafique to break into first XI of central Punjab

The positions are being hogged by Ahmed Shehzad, Salman Butt, and Umar Akmal

 

[aloo paratha]

Akhtar Ayub played a couple of matches for HBL in 2018 and had some support from the department, now that's gone.

Jamshed Ahmed also had a departmental job, now he's working at the airport to make ends meet.

Cricket is not a charity. You're either good enough or you aren't.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

We are consistently told that Pakistan doesn't have cricketing talent and then the same people want us to have more teams because Pakistan has a lot of talent ...

Go figure.

 

[Saj]

The added problem is that by not playing 1st class cricket, players cannot qualify to play club cricket in UK which was an added bonus for players to earn some extra cash.

 

[Yati]

6 F/C teams, in spite of having second XIs, are too less for Pakistan’s population.

This is just another flop idea by Imran Khan who is obsessed with Shield Cricket but fails to appreciate the vastly different dynamics of Pakistan and Australia.

First, we have far more cricketers. Second, we are a third world country and if the domestic players are not paid be the departments, they can barely make ends meet.

Australia is a first world country that is top 10 in the world when it comes to Human Development Index. Human capital is not exploited there and people are not paid below the minimum wage.

It is quite possible to live a decent life in Australia by doing lowly jobs, but it is impossible in Pakistan.

Most of our players are not from well-off families and they have nowhere to go without the salaries of departments.

This flop idea will be reversed soon. A typical U-turn is on the cards.

If a player is relying on cricket to make ends meet in the beginning of their career, thats bad planning by them. Cricket is not charity for people that can't make the top level. As a player you should always have a backup plan.

 

[minamino]

If a player is relying on cricket to make ends meet in the beginning of their career, thats bad planning by them. Cricket is not charity for people that can't make the top level. As a player you should always have a backup plan.

Cricket is not a charity but in Pakistan it's different. We all know how players are selected in FC teams here. It's not UK or Australia where players are selected on merit. You need connections to get selected in even FC teams and 2nd XI does not pay that much.

 

[Yati]

6 F/C teams, in spite of having second XIs, are too less for Pakistan’s population.

This is just another flop idea by Imran Khan who is obsessed with Shield Cricket but fails to appreciate the vastly different dynamics of Pakistan and Australia.

First, we have far more cricketers. Second, we are a third world country and if the domestic players are not paid be the departments, they can barely make ends meet.

Australia is a first world country that is top 10 in the world when it comes to Human Development Index. Human capital is not exploited there and people are not paid below the minimum wage.

It is quite possible to live a decent life in Australia by doing lowly jobs, but it is impossible in Pakistan.

Most of our players are not from well-off families and they have nowhere to go without the salaries of departments.

This flop idea will be reversed soon. A typical U-turn is on the cards.

Another note, PSL is going into their 5th season now, every PSL team does tryouts and camps/training for anyone that wants to tryout. If these players that cant make the Domestic Teams, why don't they go to the PSL team tryouts and show they still can play maybe they will get developmental contracts like Haris Rauf and Dilbar Hussain, etc. Playing any Sports at the Top level is a privilege you need talent, If you are not even good enough to make it to Pakistan Domestic team as the Top 200 players, do you really deserve to call out the PCB management that you are not getting fair opportunity.

 

[Mamoon]

Another note, PSL is going into their 5th season now, every PSL team does tryouts and camps/training for anyone that wants to tryout. If these players that cant make the Domestic Teams, why don't they go to the PSL team tryouts and show they still can play maybe they will get developmental contracts like Haris Rauf and Dilbar Hussain, etc. Playing any Sports at the Top level is a privilege you need talent, If you are not even good enough to make it to Pakistan Domestic team as the Top 200 players, do you really deserve to call out the PCB management that you are not getting fair opportunity.

PSL trials and getting picked in F/C are two different things. In PSL trials, the selectors judge you for how you look over 5-10 balls.

Fawad Alam is the most successful F/C batsman in Pakistan history. However, he would not have been picked in any of these PSL trials because of his technique.

Similarly, several bowlers who are thriving in F/C cricket would not get picked either because of lack of pace.

These trials are based on aesthetics and gimmicks. If you are bowling at 90 mph you will get picked even if you have no bowling intelligence and you don’t know a thing about the art of taking wickets.

Similarly, if you are bowling with two hands like Yasir Jan, you will get selected even if you are a terrible bowler.

The PSL trials do not tell anything about the ability of the batsman to grind runs or the ability of the bowler to take wickets. Spinners are judged based on how much they turn the ball, and not on whether they have the fitness to bowl long spells and know how to work batsmen out.

Yes the average players will eventually get filtered out after impressing in the trial, but a lot of deserving players will not get picked in the first place because they are not the types of players who can make an impression or be judged in 10 balls.

This 6 teams system has basically ruined the careers of several players who are good enough to play domestic cricket. Pakistan has the largest base of cricketers after India - 6 teams are simply not enough.

 

[Mamoon]

Not surprising to see Mamoon see people get paid free money for doing nothing

Please don’t pollute every thread with personal jibes. Your ignorant post doesn’t deserve a response but I will do you a favor anyway.

No one is asking people to get paid for doing nothing. This system has filtered out several good domestic cricketers who were performing for their departments, and thus the departments were getting a return on their investment.

When you decide to squeeze in the second largest cricket base into 6 teams, it is inevitable that a lot of good domestic cricketers will be neglected.

India has the largest base of cricketers in the world, but they have a whooping 38 teams in Ranji Trophy. Do you think bringing the number of teams down to 20 will not further improve the standard of domestic cricket in India? Why aren’t they doing it?

Because they understand that the dynamics of Australian and English cricket are completed different to that of Indian cricket.