Imran Khan as a leader of Pakistan - the perception from the India side

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We in India may not like this, but in terms of pure optics, <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> at the moment is winning the day by taking the moral high ground .. we have a strong case on terror but too many of our leaders busy calculating votes at the moment..</p>— Rajdeep Sardesai (@sardesairajdeep) <a href="https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep/status/1101078456446668800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

 

[MosheD]

Anyone without saffron goggles will know that Imran Khan bossed it with this move.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Never really watched Indian news before, but seems they are aping the west even when it comes to gutter press. That's worse than the Daily Mail.

Anyway, you would hope that once the chest thumping is over, the sane voices like in the first post are the ones which will have more impact.

 

[Hornbill]

Imo he wants to solve the issues between both nations in a peaceful manner.

 

[Realromeo]

Like I mentioned before, jingoism in the name of "patriotism" will give free PR to the Indian government. Don't need to spend millions in PR like the USA. However, when BJP starts using this as an election campaign(which they are clearly trying to) then oppositions will start questioning and common sense will prevail among larger population.

But at the moment.
Spineless Congress < Brave BJP who took the terrorist Pakistan Military and defeated them. It will win them election.

 

[Slog]

Like I mentioned before, jingoism in the name of "patriotism" will give free PR to the Indian government. Don't need to spend millions in PR like the USA. However, when BJP starts using this as an election campaign(which they are clearly trying to) then oppositions will start questioning and common sense will prevail among larger population.

But at the moment.
Spineless Congress < Brave BJP who took the terrorist Pakistan Military and defeated them. It will win them election.

lmao )

You killed some of our trees whereas we paraded your pilot like a mule

 

[Varun]

Forget the one or two news channels with an agenda.

If Imran Khan was a stock on the exchange, his value has surged massively today in particular. Wait and watch for the fruits of this shift to play out.

 

[Realromeo]

lmao )

You killed some of our trees whereas we paraded your pilot like a mule

Pakistan won this round, I admit, but PR and jingoism will create a different perception that will help BJP for now. Not saying we won or anything.

 

[PakLFC]

IK has proved he is a darpok leader. He has given India the confidence to make more trouble at the border. I don not blame Rahul Shivshankar or Arnab Goswami calling him names when I am doing that as well.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

IK has proved he is a darpok leader. He has given India the confidence to make more trouble at the border. I don not blame Rahul Shivshankar or Arnab Goswami calling him names when I am doing that as well.

I think you have found your true fellowship with those two, good luck to you with your application for an Indian visa.

 

[the Great Khan]

Pakistan won this round, I admit, but PR and jingoism will create a different perception that will help BJP for now. Not saying we won or anything.

I agree with this. Already there is enough doubt about things like the F16 and SU30 issue etc. they will still milk it. Afterall the ghareeb quam isnt exactly going to come onto the net to verify claims..theyll just lap it up..The indian pilot will be feted as a hero who shot down an F16 and valiantly fought off the whole pak army and tons of terrorists before being captured. theyll make a movie starring sunny deol or someone else where he takes on the whole PAF but is finally shot down by the F16 that he shoots down at the same time..the quam will lap it up..

then in 5 years or 10 years if this forum still exists a young Indian with alot of joash will come online and claim they destroyed us and humiliated us in 2019 when he was still in nursery. Articles by journalists ten years from now will recall how india surprised pakistan and attacked a known hideout while Modi achieved legendary status..books will be written and films will be made..

then some paksitanis will say oye we did this to you in 2019 and the young indians will say you lie the world knows what we did , blah blah blah..and the cycle continues..

 

[Realromeo]

I agree with this. Already there is enough doubt about things like the F16 and SU30 issue etc. they will still milk it. Afterall the ghareeb quam isnt exactly going to come onto the net to verify claims..theyll just lap it up..The indian pilot will be feted as a hero who shot down an F16 and valiantly fought off the whole pak army and tons of terrorists before being captured. theyll make a movie starring sunny deol or someone else where he takes on the whole PAF but is finally shot down by the F16 that he shoots down at the same time..the quam will lap it up..

then in 5 years or 10 years if this forum still exists a young Indian with alot of joash will come online and claim they destroyed us and humiliated us in 2019 when he was still in nursery. Articles by journalists ten years from now will recall how india surprised pakistan and attacked a known hideout while Modi achieved legendary status..books will be written and films will be made..

then some paksitanis will say oye we did this to you in 2019 and the young indians will say you lie the world knows what we did , blah blah blah..and the cycle continues..

Modi is not a dumb guy, a lower caste guy, managed to climb all the way up to be the leader of the biggest democracy especially in a religious party where caste and right-wing hinduism is big. He is clever. He knows the truth will be exposed sooner or later as election is coming and opposition will be looking to hit him harder. So far, looks like we took a set back on this one, too much is at stake for Modi to leave like this. Modi will strike back with one more air raid, call for peace and create a perception that we have taught you guys lesson and its time to bring peace. So it is not over.

 

[PakLFC]

I think you have found your true fellowship with those two, good luck to you with your application for an Indian visa.

Why would I want an Indian visa? What I want our PM showing some guts.

 

[K4Kohli]

Leave what Indians/Indian media thinks about Imran Khan. Be honest and tell me, Do you even believe all the power lies with Imran Khan/politicians and he can take independent decisions?

 

[Pakpak]

Leave what Indians/Indian media thinks about Imran Khan. Be honest and tell me, Do you even believe all the power lies with Imran Khan/politicians and he can take independent decisions?

Yes, as seen by his continuous peace talk with India, otherwise the army would have told him to **** and never release any Indian, never mind a POW. For once in our country our civilian and military leadership is on one page. Hence the reason for the first time since 2000 we actually have something resembling a foreign policy.

 

[slipcatch]

Leave what Indians/Indian media thinks about Imran Khan. Be honest and tell me, Do you even believe all the power lies with Imran Khan/politicians and he can take independent decisions?

Asking us to leave Indians and Indian media narrative but yet keep repeating their narrative.

Understand Pakistan as a whole and what is required for Pakistan to succeed, rest are just talking points when they can't counter the legit argument from Pakistan.

 

[PennOne]

No you just want more war paklfc

 

[WebGuru]

Leave what Indians/Indian media thinks about Imran Khan. Be honest and tell me, Do you even believe all the power lies with Imran Khan/politicians and he can take independent decisions?

Watch DG ISPR (Army spokesman) presser from yesterday and IK speech yesterday and you will understand what is changed it's not the old Pakistan where Army and PM were never on same page.

 

[WebGuru]

Yes, as seen by his continuous peace talk with India, otherwise the army would have told him to **** and never release any Indian, never mind a POW. For once in our country our civilian and military leadership is on one page. Hence the reason for the first time since 2000 we actually have something resembling a foreign policy.

IK speeches and DG ISPR pressers these days show only one picture these days "we are on same page"

 

[DRsohail]

Forget the one or two news channels with an agenda.

If Imran Khan was a stock on the exchange, his value has surged massively today in particular. Wait and watch for the fruits of this shift to play out.

Every sane person across the border should at least appreciate IK for the decision he made today.

 

[RickyG]

Leave what Indians/Indian media thinks about Imran Khan. Be honest and tell me, Do you even believe all the power lies with Imran Khan/politicians and he can take independent decisions?

Has your media destroyed your brain to such an extent that you can't even read the thread title?

What do you think this thread is about?

 

[JaDed]

IK speeches and DG ISPR pressers these days show only one picture these days "we are on same page"

They way the speeches are delivered I refuse to believe that a country that has no proper broadcasting for sports is able to do such a fine PR job credit to IK for being charismatic as well but the quality,contrast everything is very US Presidential like, feel Pak actually has good backing with finance not sure who/which country though.

 

[JaDed]

To add to above post, the speeches of DG ISPR are nothing doesn't look that organized as well, its the speeches of IK that are really taking Pak to next level and hence the doubt.

 

[Lonewarrior]

read the Geneva convention, we have to return the soldier back within 10 days, i say it was master stroke by Ik.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Imran is choosing the humane and sane route, trying to de-escalate and bring peace to the situation. It's the right thing to do. India may not reciprocate, as they are a hate-filled, rabid nation in a war frenzy. They have no leader.

From Pakistan's perspective, we should do what's right and be ready to retaliate if war is forced upon us by war mongering India. I feel we are checking the box on both at the moment.

Well done IK and Pakistani leadership. Shame on India, it's politicians, it's media and it's people.

 

[cricketworm]

With this decision hopefully, IK gets more power (only power he has is public power) that public power will influence his say in army matters. Strong democratically elected politician is better than army with too much power.

 

[WebGuru]

They way the speeches are delivered I refuse to believe that a country that has no proper broadcasting for sports is able to do such a fine PR job credit to IK for being charismatic as well but the quality,contrast everything is very US Presidential like, feel Pak actually has good backing with finance not sure who/which country though.

To add to above post, the speeches of DG ISPR are nothing doesn't look that organized as well, its the speeches of IK that are really taking Pak to next level and hence the doubt.

This is the first time PTV is being used in this way. IK is taking nation in confidence through TV on every important issue otherwise in past our PM use to appear on screen once or twice in 5 years. I think last 6 months IK had 12-15 speeches on different important issues. He is setting the bar really high for Pakistani PMs.

Youth being major part of PTI also helped because PTI introduced many new things to Pakistani politics in last 10 years including the use of social media, video graphics, own radio and channel, turning jalsas into concerts etc etc (the other parties in pak first criticized these moves but now are following same methods).

 

[JaDed]

This is the first time PTV is being used in this way. IK is taking nation in confidence through TV on every important issue otherwise in past our PM use to appear on screen once or twice in 5 years. I think last 6 months IK had 12-15 speeches on different important issues. He is setting the bar really high for Pakistani PMs.

Youth being major part of PTI also helped because PTI introduced many new things to Pakistani politics in last 10 years including the use of social media, video graphics, own radio and channel, turning jalsas into concerts etc etc (the other parties in pak first criticized these moves but now are following same methods).

Kinda envious but he is creating the enabling of talent which he spoke about ,lucky for Pak he didn't go Kejriwal way, also helps when sports has helped you deal with pressure.

 

[WebGuru]

Kinda envious but he is creating the enabling of talent which he spoke about ,lucky for Pak he didn't go Kejriwal way, also helps when sports has helped you deal with pressure.

Yea if he can put Pakistan economy back on track he will become PM again for sure in 2023 because PPP stands no chance outside Sindh in next 2 elections at least and PMLN is on knees too.

Is there any hope for a third force at federal level in India? From what i read online it looks like Congress got no future under Rahul and BJP is looking all set to win this election and who knows maybe next one too

 

[JaDed]

Yea if he can put Pakistan economy back on track he will become PM again for sure in 2023 because PPP stands no chance outside Sindh in next 2 elections at least and PMLN is on knees too.

Is there any hope for a third force at federal level in India? From what i read online it looks like Congress got no future under Rahul and BJP is looking all set to win this election and who knows maybe next one too

If by third force you mean third front lol no thanks India rather have BJP or Congress with majority.
If Rahul loses upcoming one, hopefully sanity will prevail and they will replace him.

 

[troodon]

IK is Al Ameen for me. Very likable and seems to be honest when it comes to the relations between India and Pakistan.

 

[WebGuru]

If by third force you mean third front lol no thanks India rather have BJP or Congress with majority.
If Rahul loses upcoming one, hopefully sanity will prevail and they will replace him.

By third force i mean a third party to appear on national level to break the status-quo. After Mush resigned in 2008 we gave both PPP and PMLN full 5-5 years to prove they finally changed and they are not the same old corrupt and incompetent PMLN and PPP of 80s and 90s but they proved us wrong once again so we finally thought of giving third party a chance what's wrong in trying something new when the old ones are only taking us down...

 

[JaDed]

By third force i mean a third party to appear on national level to break the status-quo. After Mush resigned in 2008 we gave both PPP and PMLN full 5-5 years to prove they finally changed and they are not the same old corrupt and incompetent PMLN and PPP of 80s and 90s but they proved us wrong once again so we finally thought of giving third party a chance what's wrong in trying something new when the old ones are only taking us down...

No, we have regional parties as such.. we would never have a conventional third party for sure.

 

[rhony]

Imran will get major political points when he takes action on terrorism. He is a very good leader, charismatic, eloquent and has massively exceeded expectations for some one new in his tenure. Hunting terrorists will give him an upper hand in this exchange in the long term. Peace with India is linked to prosperity of Pakistan. He can achieve both and can plant his legacy if he makes that first step of weeding out terrorists.

 

[WebGuru]

No, we have regional parties as such.. we would never have a conventional third party for sure.

If BJP and Congress are unable to gain clear majority in upcoming elections which party you think will attract regional parties most in current situation for a coalition?

 

[waqar goraya]

Imran will get major political points when he takes action on terrorism. He is a very good leader, charismatic, eloquent and has massively exceeded expectations for some one new in his tenure. Hunting terrorists will give him an upper hand in this exchange in the long term. Peace with India is linked to prosperity of Pakistan. He can achieve both and can plant his legacy if he makes that first step of weeding out terrorists.

Pakistan have dismantled most of the terrorist and Jehadi infrastructure. The change started during Mush era and has reached to its conclusion in these times. Now, this attack was planned and executed by a Kashmiri inside IOK. Even the independent international media like New York Times wrote that in their article.
Indian army has killed dozens of Kashmiri separatists in recent months. How many of them were Pakistanis or Pakistan trained?

India is capitalizing on the failed Pakistani army policy of 90s in the past. The current anti-India and militant trend is purely indigenous. Pakistan has become a whipping boy for their failure in placating Kashmir.
If there is some help from Pakistan it is less than what India is doing through the likes of Kulbhushan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Imran will get major political points when he takes action on terrorism. He is a very good leader, charismatic, eloquent and has massively exceeded expectations for some one new in his tenure. Hunting terrorists will give him an upper hand in this exchange in the long term. Peace with India is linked to prosperity of Pakistan. He can achieve both and can plant his legacy if he makes that first step of weeding out terrorists.

You brand the word terrorism about as if once you say/write it , you have the moral high ground.

Please give me the defintion of a terrorist?

 

[rhony]

You brand the word terrorism about as if once you say/write it , you have the moral high ground.

Please give me the defintion of a terrorist?

My definition of terrorist is some one who uses an illegal weapon to kill people, Some one who under the guise of religion kills innocents, Some one who hides like a rat to survive because he doesnt have the guts to face the establishment. People have compared Burhan Wani to Bhagat SIngh and according to me both are terrorists. We live in a civilized world where there is no room for archaic methods to achieve our goals. It's stupid to even try because they will be crushed.

 

[rhony]

Pakistan have dismantled most of the terrorist and Jehadi infrastructure. The change started during Mush era and has reached to its conclusion in these times. Now, this attack was planned and executed by a Kashmiri inside IOK. Even the independent international media like New York Times wrote that in their article.
Indian army has killed dozens of Kashmiri separatists in recent months. How many of them were Pakistanis or Pakistan trained?

India is capitalizing on the failed Pakistani army policy of 90s in the past. The current anti-India and militant trend is purely indigenous. Pakistan has become a whipping boy for their failure in placating Kashmir.
If there is some help from Pakistan it is less than what India is doing through the likes of Kulbhushan.

The brand of old terrorist infra structure still lives. The Hafeez Saeeds, Azhars still live freely.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Imran Khan was great cricketer, good captain, we know that. He is proving to be good political leader as well. I keep telling the people I discuss with, how focused Imran is in improving the economy, creating peaceful environment, etc. We want a Peace loving leader on the Indian side.

 

[waqar goraya]

The brand of old terrorist infra structure still lives. The Hafeez Saeeds, Azhars still live freely.

Hafiz Saeed was in house arrest for several years until high court released him sighting no evidence against him.

India has given dossier on JEM, after all this chest thumping. lets see what it contains.

Nevertheless, it does not change the reality that Pulwama was carried out by a Kashmiri who lived at a stone's throw from the scene.

 

[gazza619]

The brand of old terrorist infra structure still lives. The Hafeez Saeeds, Azhars still live freely.

I think if india focuses on extremists Hindus in India, there will be more peace.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My definition of terrorist is some one who uses an illegal weapon to kill people, Some one who under the guise of religion kills innocents, Some one who hides like a rat to survive because he doesnt have the guts to face the establishment. People have compared Burhan Wani to Bhagat SIngh and according to me both are terrorists. We live in a civilized world where there is no room for archaic methods to achieve our goals. It's stupid to even try because they will be crushed.

Some very strange definitions.

Are the actions of Indian security forces who kill Kashmiri's civilized and not terrorism?

 

[rhony]

Some very strange definitions.

Are the actions of Indian security forces who kill Kashmiri's civilized and not terrorism?

If a soldier kills an innocent civilian, he is a murderer, criminal and will be punished by the law. Even in the civilized world, there is crime and there are laws to punish the criminals. Killing oneself to kill others in the name of religion is archaic.

 

[waqar goraya]

There lies the gravity of situation. Those people know very much that death might well be the end here but they still fight. And more and more are going towards this path.
A responsible democracy should try to alleviate the causes of this anger and alienation rather than keep producing more such people by merely eliminating them. Where would the buck stop?

 

[rhony]

I think if india focuses on extremists Hindus in India, there will be more peace.

If they are terrorising Pakistanis is Pakistan, then they should be eliminated. I don't think India cares about Terrorists in Pakistan if they do their business in their own country

 

[KingKhanWC]

If a soldier kills an innocent civilian, he is a murderer, criminal and will be punished by the law. Even in the civilized world, there is crime and there are laws to punish the criminals. Killing oneself to kill others in the name of religion is archaic.

Suicide attacks are just a tactic of war. Japanese flew planes into others killing themselves. The British and others threw themselves at bullets knowing they would be killed but could take out some enemy fighters along the way. This tactic isn't a religious tactic but a war tactic played out in history many times.

You have your own definition but the majority accepted definition is 'killing someone for political reasons'. When Indian forces kill Kashmiris they are terrorist. In fact the Kashmiris who kill Indian soldiers are not because by law they have a right to self defence against an occupying power.

 

[rhony]

Suicide attacks are just a tactic of war. Japanese flew planes into others killing themselves. The British and others threw themselves at bullets knowing they would be killed but could take out some enemy fighters along the way. This tactic isn't a religious tactic but a war tactic played out in history many times.

You have your own definition but the majority accepted definition is 'killing someone for political reasons'. When Indian forces kill Kashmiris they are terrorist. In fact the Kashmiris who kill Indian soldiers are not because by law they have a right to self defence against an occupying power.

Is a 20 something idiot blowing himself up by ramming a truck into an army convoy called self defense? This is not a war. All the examples you gave are enemy combatants of war and have legitimacy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Is a 20 something idiot blowing himself up by ramming a truck into an army convoy called self defense? This is not a war. All the examples you gave are enemy combatants of war and have legitimacy.

He was Kashmiri and attacked occupation forces not civilians. May not be war for you but for those living under occupation it's war.

 

[sjahmed23]

Imran Khan check mated Modi in a fashion that only true leaders can dream of. This man is destined for greatness.

 

[AZulfi]

No one wants war but at the end of this chauvinistic exercise, India has nothing to show for it. There is absolutely no evidence that their jets hit any camps. No damage occurred on our side. They only managed to hit a few trees and then dropped payload in a haste. It was all ** and trickery, a desperate attempt to brainwash their (gullible) public. And funny enough people believed them. Indian pathetic media is terribly jingoistic and childish imo. They falsify and distort facts, hide truth and even tell blatant lies to their public. It is a real circus. Arnab is just the tip of the iceberg. The media is full of jokers like him. In their blind hatred they even tried to show wreckage from the downed Mig 21 as if it was that of a downed F-16. The truth is no F-16s were used during Pak response. The two Indian Mig 21s were downed by a JF1 7 Thunder. One fell on our side and we captured the pilot and we showed the footage to the whole world. The other fell in IOK. The fate of the other pilot is as yet unknown. Soldiers are suffering just to satisfy the ego of mad Modi. IK totally outclassed Modi. We protected the pilot from the angry mob and then treated him well and he is now returning home today. If Indians had captured our pilot they would have likely killed him or at least not returned him so soon (The timing of POW's return can be debated but nevertheless it is good gesture by Imran and the military establishment). A poor Pakistani prisoner was stoned (rather bricked) to death by inmates in the wake of Pulwama incident. This is their level of tolerance.

To Pakistan's credit our media (I know we too have some characters on our side like Zaid Hamid but by and large they acted with responsibility. There was no petty display of jingoism. Just compare the talk shows from both sides over the past week or so).

Government and military (respect for DG ISPR for his professionalism) acted with maturity and responsibility and did not resort to unnecessary jingoism and warmongering. (Hoping against hope) but just hope better sense prevails in India too.

 

[JaDed]

If BJP and Congress are unable to gain clear majority in upcoming elections which party you think will attract regional parties most in current situation for a coalition?

Congress because BJP has been a terrible ally coz Amit Shah. BJP actually was a very good ally during Vajpayee era.

 

[anand99]

I dont think so. I think the man did what he needed to in order to appease a rabid section of the Pakistani population. Then he did some sensible talk to say that this is just bad for both countries and went out of his way to plead for this going any further. TBH, he did look a little weak and desperate in his second broadcast but having said that I think everything he said made complete sense. With nukes on both sides and billions of lives at stake all the crazies need to back off.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Congress because BJP has been a terrible ally coz Amit Shah. BJP actually was a very good ally during Vajpayee era.

BJP think don't need alliances as long as they have it Shah and Ambani Adani money to buy MPs and MLAs. Didn't work recently so may not work in the Lok Sabha elections

 

[JaDed]

BJP think don't need alliances as long as they have it Shah and Ambani Adani money to buy MPs and MLAs. Didn't work recently so may not work in the Lok Sabha elections

Yes, but issue comes for BJP from farmers and other castes,event the "upper" castes voted em out recently that they had to do a 10% quota.

 

[Mobashir]

Imran will get major political points when he takes action on terrorism. He is a very good leader, charismatic, eloquent and has massively exceeded expectations for some one new in his tenure. Hunting terrorists will give him an upper hand in this exchange in the long term. Peace with India is linked to prosperity of Pakistan. He can achieve both and can plant his legacy if he makes that first step of weeding out terrorists.

What action do you want him to take against terrorism when your army killed them all in just a few minutes.
Thank you India!

 

[Greenstorm]

I agree with this. Already there is enough doubt about things like the F16 and SU30 issue etc. they will still milk it. Afterall the ghareeb quam isnt exactly going to come onto the net to verify claims..theyll just lap it up..The indian pilot will be feted as a hero who shot down an F16 and valiantly fought off the whole pak army and tons of terrorists before being captured. theyll make a movie starring sunny deol or someone else where he takes on the whole PAF but is finally shot down by the F16 that he shoots down at the same time..the quam will lap it up..

then in 5 years or 10 years if this forum still exists a young Indian with alot of joash will come online and claim they destroyed us and humiliated us in 2019 when he was still in nursery. Articles by journalists ten years from now will recall how india surprised pakistan and attacked a known hideout while Modi achieved legendary status..books will be written and films will be made..

then some paksitanis will say oye we did this to you in 2019 and the young indians will say you lie the world knows what we did , blah blah blah..and the cycle continues..

So true. Unfortunately, 10 years from now, even some 'enlightened' Pakistanis will be lapping up the Indian narrative of Feb 2019 . Such is the strength of there propaganda.

 

[the Great Khan]

My two cents about Imran Khan and his performance. Ill say this and Imran haters can agree or not, but the first bit is my opinion and the second are facts:

inmho Imran Khan just achieved legendary status as a Pakistan Leader. no matter what happens now, our people will remember that imran Khan was the PM when we defended this nation. Just like Ayub khan still gets alot of respect for his 1965 stuff. Nawaz sharif was given respect for the 98 nukes but then , as is his usual nature, he blew it with Kargil. Kids will remember where they were when Imran khan joined toegther with teh armed forces and lead his country through this crisis.

As for tehreaction abroad, well just watch that Trevor noah clip. taht should pretty much sum it up. ill say another thing, the BBC is nrmally pretty pro India, even they couldnt help. It was straight facts, right down teh middle. The Indian aircraft wreckage is all over the news, not the mythical wreckage of the F16. A burning plane with the IAF roundal is what the world is seeing and wondering where Modi has dissappeared to.

Moving on to the Facts and some of my strategic analysis.

So as of today lets ignoe some of the unverifiables even though many are saying these are true.

1) We shot down a IAF aircraft with a JF17. Thus reminding our enemy and the world that you cant push us around like Syria or Libya. The US gave tacit support to the Indian operation becasue it was a daring attempt to change the rules of the game. The rules were changed but by us not them. India thought they could bomb us where ever whenever they wanted. We have left that burning in the hills of kashmir. We have strengthened our detterrence and reminded the west that they cannot send their proxy to treat us like poor rock throwers.

2) The IAF is demoralised again. They haven't shot down a Pakistani jet in nearly 50 years. They have sacked their head of western command. Their pilots now fear us again.We have shattered the myth that you can bend the red lines.

3) Imran Khan has come out looking like a real statesman who the rest of the world can deal with. this will help us get our message out.

4) Modi looks weak and a weak right wing leader with no real charisma.

5) The media management and countering indian propaganda has been excellent. They have been checkmated and are a laughing stock.

6) The international community has once again shown its true colours by sticking its flag on the Indian mast. but this slap has shown them that we will fight and preserve our country. pakistan should walk tall with pride.

7) The pakistan airforce has surprised us all but we should never doubt our forces. They have proven this over the last ten years and today too.

8) Naya Pakistan is alive , well and more than just a few words now. It now has real substance behind it.