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ISLAMABAD: In a first, a liquor company from China will reportedly be establishing a manufacturing plant in Pakistan.

Chinese company Hui Coastal Brewery and Distillery Limited got a licence to manufacture liquor, sources said, after getting registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP) on April 30, 2020 with a Hub, Balochistan address.

The Balochistan excise, taxation and anti-narcotics department issued the licence. The Chinese company has been launched as a joint venture with Balochistan at the Lasbela Industrial Estate Development Authority.

The entire process, from manufacturing to packaging, will be carried out at its plant in Lasbela.

Hui Coastal Brewery and Distillery Limited is famous for producing some of the world’s most famous brands. The plan is to introduce two famous brands in Pakistan for export.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/342134-in...-to-establish-manufacturing-plant-in-pakistan
 
The entire process, from manufacturing to packaging, will be carried out at its plant in Lasbela.

Hui Coastal Brewery and Distillery Limited is famous for producing some of the world’s most famous brands. The plan is to introduce two famous brands in Pakistan for export.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/342134-in...-to-establish-manufacturing-plant-in-pakistan

Is the Murree Beer still made in Pakistan? That used to be the only alcoholic beverage the country used to produce.

Heard sometime ago that they had stopped brewing beer and were only bottling juices now.
 
Is the Murree Beer still made in Pakistan? That used to be the only alcoholic beverage the country used to produce.

Heard sometime ago that they had stopped brewing beer and were only bottling juices now.

It's not Murree beer , it's Murree brewery , they don't just produce beers but other alcoholic drinks as well. they are very much in operation still and doing well.
Their drinks are export quality.
 
Isn't this against Islamic principles?
 
Isn't this against Islamic principles?

Proposing on university campus= :moyo

Letting China put up a liquor company= :afridi

Pakistan and Pakistanis have the habit of only quoting (actually misquoting at times) Islam when it fits their agenda.
 
Pakistan and Pakistanis have the habit of only quoting (actually misquoting at times) Islam when it fits their agenda.

Nothing to do with agenda.

Asking a serious question about the processing of alcohol in Islam, whether it's for internal use or export.
 
Nothing to do with agenda.

Asking a serious question about the processing of alcohol in Islam, whether it's for internal use or export.

You don't use poison but you sure as hell don't give one either

If something is bad for muslims it's a sin for muslims to give that "bad" to other people too

Selling is just as bad as drinking probably more
Cause you are elicit in giving people that poisson or bad thing

You are causing damage to society, humankind through your business activity
 
It's not Murree beer , it's Murree brewery , they don't just produce beers but other alcoholic drinks as well. they are very much in operation still and doing well.
Their drinks are export quality.

Last time I checked, around ten years ago, it was licensed to be brewed in Norway (if memory services correctly)
 
Isn't this against Islamic principles?

This is exactly the mindset that will keep Pakistan regressing. We need to shed this shackle of religion from a policy point of view. I 100% support everyone's right to be religious, but it shouldn't affect the laws of the land. This is a great investment opportunity for Pakistan, that is more important, especially for a developing country.
 
You don't use poison but you sure as hell don't give one either

If something is bad for muslims it's a sin for muslims to give that "bad" to other people too

Selling is just as bad as drinking probably more
Cause you are elicit in giving people that poisson or bad thing

You are causing damage to society, humankind through your business activity

That's the point I was making, but it seems that some feel that making money is more important.
 
People working there are making Haram ki Kamayi. No Barkat for them.
 
Is the Murree Beer still made in Pakistan? That used to be the only alcoholic beverage the country used to produce.

Heard sometime ago that they had stopped brewing beer and were only bottling juices now.

Brewery*

Yea it’s still there and Atleast until a few years ago their share price was doing pretty well lol
 
Foriegners like to enjoy wine or other alcohol. As long as they drink in their hotels, it's fine and helps Pakistan to grow.
 
This is exactly the mindset that will keep Pakistan regressing. We need to shed this shackle of religion from a policy point of view. I 100% support everyone's right to be religious, but it shouldn't affect the laws of the land. This is a great investment opportunity for Pakistan, that is more important, especially for a developing country.

What if the majority of inhabitants of that land want religion to affect the law of the land?

Its a minor investment - wont really have much effect and won't be able to be scaled across the country.
 
Surely what is bad for Muslims cannot be sold to others?

Btw Murree Brewery has been making beer in Pakistan for a while
 
What if the majority of inhabitants of that land want religion to affect the law of the land?

Its a minor investment - wont really have much effect and won't be able to be scaled across the country.

Sure, it will remain a backwards nation until they evolve.

This sets a precedent, though. There will be more investment opportunities now that many not necessarily be deemed 'Islamic'.
 
Sure, it will remain a backwards nation until they evolve.

This sets a precedent, though. There will be more investment opportunities now that many not necessarily be deemed 'Islamic'.

Your version of "evolution" is very odd and is thankfully a minority one.
 
Sure, it will remain a backwards nation until they evolve.

This sets a precedent, though. There will be more investment opportunities now that many not necessarily be deemed 'Islamic'.

So not drinking alcohol or wanting it their society makes them backward? lol
 
Sure, it will remain a backwards nation until they evolve.

This sets a precedent, though. There will be more investment opportunities now that many not necessarily be deemed 'Islamic'.

What about if the majority of people in a country do not want heroin production or cocaine production? Are they also backward?
 
What about if the majority of people in a country do not want heroin production or cocaine production? Are they also backward?

More false equivalencies, great.

So alcohol is a common export throughout the world, and is legal in the vast majority of countries- including Pakistan, just not for Muslims...which is silly. It is a great source of revenue, and can be, and is, enjoyed in moderation. Those 2 drugs are banned substances in every nation (I think, though there could be exceptions), are very addictive and are not usually safe for recreational use, especially the former. There isn't a legal market for the production of those 2 substances which would profit Pakistan. I know you weren't being honest with your questioning, however, just wanted to score cheap points.
 
Your version of "evolution" is very odd and is thankfully a minority one.

Evolution towards a secular society, I meant. My point in response to the 'most people wanting Pakistan to be governed by religion'. Evolution would be towards a secular society, which would be more free and equal.
 
More false equivalencies, great.

So alcohol is a common export throughout the world, and is legal in the vast majority of countries- including Pakistan, just not for Muslims...which is silly. It is a great source of revenue, and can be, and is, enjoyed in moderation. Those 2 drugs are banned substances in every nation (I think, though there could be exceptions), are very addictive and are not usually safe for recreational use, especially the former. There isn't a legal market for the production of those 2 substances which would profit Pakistan. I know you weren't being honest with your questioning, however, just wanted to score cheap points.

It was in regards to wanting the society to be governed by religion, I thought that much was obvious.

You are clueless

Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt

Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210

Strange response, if an athiest society wanted to ban alcohol it would be ok but backward if religouis society wants to ban it . Its like debating with a 5 year old lol
 
Surely what is bad for Muslims cannot be sold to others?

Btw Murree Brewery has been making beer in Pakistan for a while

Yes, they have been around for a hundred years or so, going by the family's sponsorship of various sports events in the country.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/40074933

Chairman Murree Brewery Company Isphanyar Bhandara says that sports help in developing the mental and physical abilities of the youth.

This builds their character along with improving patience and courage in their personalities, because self-confidence in a person can play an important role in the country’s development. He added that the players are assets of the nation and play an important role in promoting sports for the formation of a healthy society.

He expressed his views while talking to reporters after distributing prizes in the successful team at the 117th MP Bhandara Memorial Polo Cup Final in Rawalpindi.

Eight teams that participated in the pilot event were:

In the final ASC Iqbal Team scored 6 goals to beat PAF team by 5-1/2 goals. Ambassador of Sweden, H.E. Henrick Persson was the Chief Guest of this event.

He appreciated the efforts of the Murree Brewery team for the promotion sports event went on to say that the inaugural M.P. Bhandara Memorial Polo Tournament was held in 1904.
 
I liked murree stout. Shame they quit making it. Also heard there 21 year old single malt is good. Have not tried
 
More false equivalencies, great.

So alcohol is a common export throughout the world, and is legal in the vast majority of countries- including Pakistan, just not for Muslims...which is silly. It is a great source of revenue, and can be, and is, enjoyed in moderation. Those 2 drugs are banned substances in every nation (I think, though there could be exceptions), are very addictive and are not usually safe for recreational use, especially the former. There isn't a legal market for the production of those 2 substances which would profit Pakistan. I know you weren't being honest with your questioning, however, just wanted to score cheap points.

Not a false equivalency at all, you just suffer from an anti muslim bias.

The fact there isnt a legal market for those products is the exact point I am making, yet it has gone over your head completely.

Heroin could be a great source of revenue for Afghanistan and Cocaine a great source for Colombia. Yet they are restricted because of their harmful effects.

Muslims have the right to impose similar restrictions without being clled backwards.
 
Not a false equivalency at all, you just suffer from an anti muslim bias.

The fact there isnt a legal market for those products is the exact point I am making, yet it has gone over your head completely.

Heroin could be a great source of revenue for Afghanistan and Cocaine a great source for Colombia. Yet they are restricted because of their harmful effects.

Muslims have the right to impose similar restrictions without being clled backwards.

Cocaine in modeate use is safer for society compared to alcohol in moderate use. Many other banned substances too.
 
You are clueless



Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210

Strange response, if an athiest society wanted to ban alcohol it would be ok but backward if religouis society wants to ban it . Its like debating with a 5 year old lol

‘“..... Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack when the overall dangers to the individual and society are considered, according to a study in the Lancet.
The report is co-authored by Professor David Nutt, the former government chief drugs adviser who was sacked in 2009.
It ranked 20 drugs on 16 measures of harm to users and to wider society.
Heroin, crack and crystal meth were deemed worst for individuals, with alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine worst for society, and alcohol worst overall.....”

So alcohol is potentially more harmful because more people are exposed/use it. Not that it is more harmful.

You’re right, it is like debating with a 5 year old because a 5 year old is unable to to fully present and articulate information - as perfectly demonstrated by you!
 
‘“..... Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack when the overall dangers to the individual and society are considered, according to a study in the Lancet.
The report is co-authored by Professor David Nutt, the former government chief drugs adviser who was sacked in 2009.
It ranked 20 drugs on 16 measures of harm to users and to wider society.
Heroin, crack and crystal meth were deemed worst for individuals, with alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine worst for society, and alcohol worst overall.....”

So alcohol is potentially more harmful because more people are exposed/use it. Not that it is more harmful.

You’re right, it is like debating with a 5 year old because a 5 year old is unable to to fully present and articulate information - as perfectly demonstrated by you!

More people would use cocaine and other drugs too if they were legal. Please use some basic logic, it's not hard to understand. Your debating skills need to improve.
 
This coming from a guy who would “ boycott French goods “But keep buying the French goods that he needs. Makes perfect sense.
 
Not a false equivalency at all, you just suffer from an anti muslim bias.

The fact there isnt a legal market for those products is the exact point I am making, yet it has gone over your head completely.

Heroin could be a great source of revenue for Afghanistan and Cocaine a great source for Colombia. Yet they are restricted because of their harmful effects.

Muslims have the right to impose similar restrictions without being clled backwards.

Not anti-Muslim bias, but proudly anti-religion when it comes to policy.

I mentioned legal markets and side effects, genius. My whole point is that alcohol is legal, widespread, and not as harmful as the other substances you mentioned. It will only benefit Pakistan financially, and a developing country needs that.
 
‘“..... Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack when the overall dangers to the individual and society are considered, according to a study in the Lancet.
The report is co-authored by Professor David Nutt, the former government chief drugs adviser who was sacked in 2009.
It ranked 20 drugs on 16 measures of harm to users and to wider society.
Heroin, crack and crystal meth were deemed worst for individuals, with alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine worst for society, and alcohol worst overall.....”

So alcohol is potentially more harmful because more people are exposed/use it. Not that it is more harmful.

You’re right, it is like debating with a 5 year old because a 5 year old is unable to to fully present and articulate information - as perfectly demonstrated by you!

It is actually quite ridiculous that a drug that can be compared to Heroin and Crack in harmful effects is even legally allowed.

This is actually bad news for Pakistan. I am unsure why other manufacturing plants are not established in a muslim country instead of Alcohol ones.
 
More people would use cocaine and other drugs too if they were legal. Please use some basic logic, it's not hard to understand. Your debating skills need to improve.

Alcohol is regulated, so it is definitely much safer. If cocaine was legalised, it could be safer due to the legislation it would have to follow. But as it stands now, it is very dangerous as we don't know what is going into it. I'm for legalising weed, and for decriminalising other drugs as prisons don't need to be clogged up with people who do drugs. Cocaine is the furthest I'd go for legalisation, as most other drugs are pretty bad.

Regardless, my point wasn't about alcohol, but the adherence to archaic, religious laws- and only when convenient and possible at that. Besides, alcohol isn't entirely illegal in Pakistan, and they have their own brewery, so what's one more source of production? I think you're just upset because you expected differently from IK when he mentioned how Pakistan will be 'Riyasat-e-Madina', but I tip my hat to him here, a very good choice.
 
Not anti-Muslim bias, but proudly anti-religion when it comes to policy.

I mentioned legal markets and side effects, genius. My whole point is that alcohol is legal, widespread, and not as harmful as the other substances you mentioned. It will only benefit Pakistan financially, and a developing country needs that.

It has nothing to do with something being widespread or side effects. Marijuana is banned in most countries despite having fewer side effects than alcohol and a lot of users.

Legality is something defined by people, yet you chose to label one group of people who ban something that they deem harmful as "backward" and "unevolved". It is a clear case of unconscious ( maybe not in your case though) bias.

This plant will have no benefit economically to Pakistan. The real sign of progress for a nation is investments in technology, renewable energy systems, education etc. But to confused people like you, a glass of alcohol is progress lol because you have no identity and think to ape other cultures is progress.
 
Alcohol is regulated, so it is definitely much safer. If cocaine was legalised, it could be safer due to the legislation it would have to follow. But as it stands now, it is very dangerous as we don't know what is going into it. I'm for legalising weed, and for decriminalising other drugs as prisons don't need to be clogged up with people who do drugs. Cocaine is the furthest I'd go for legalisation, as most other drugs are pretty bad.

Regardless, my point wasn't about alcohol, but the adherence to archaic, religious laws- and only when convenient and possible at that. Besides, alcohol isn't entirely illegal in Pakistan, and they have their own brewery, so what's one more source of production? I think you're just upset because you expected differently from IK when he mentioned how Pakistan will be 'Riyasat-e-Madina', but I tip my hat to him here, a very good choice.

This is more to do with your inherent bias which has formed for whatever reason. You will always think anything regulations/rules related to religion are bacward. The truth is the opposite in this instance, banning alcohol saves so many lives, saves family break ups, save billions of tax payers money, gives more space for health services, less people in prison...the list goes on.

If you bothered to read my posts properly, i agree on allowing alcohol in hotels for foriegners to consume but not in wider society. Islam didnt ban alcohol immediatley as it understood people are addicted, need it. The same way those coming to work or travel in Pakistan may need a glass or two.

Keep your anti-Islam bias in the closet and you'll understand alcohol banned is better for society over all. Islam was more forward 1400 years ago, comapared to countires who allow it in their society now, esp at cheap prices, this is actually backward.
 
It has nothing to do with something being widespread or side effects. Marijuana is banned in most countries despite having fewer side effects than alcohol and a lot of users.

Legality is something defined by people, yet you chose to label one group of people who ban something that they deem harmful as "backward" and "unevolved". It is a clear case of unconscious ( maybe not in your case though) bias.

This plant will have no benefit economically to Pakistan. The real sign of progress for a nation is investments in technology, renewable energy systems, education etc. But to confused people like you, a glass of alcohol is progress lol because you have no identity and think to ape other cultures is progress.

Nothing to do with side effects? Good one. I told you why it was a false equivalency, but you just can't admit you're wrong. Marijuana underwent a huge smear campaign which set back its legality by a fair bit. In the US, the war on drugs only made it more difficult. You think this is such a black-and-white issue, but it really isn't, but I wouldn't expect you to understand nuance.

My 'backward' and 'unevolved' comments, which I stand by, was in relation to religion dictating many of the laws (and only when convenient) in Pakistan. Alcohol was irrelevant. And yes, I am very biased against religion dictating laws, unabashedly so.

Of course those are better signs of progress, but this is still progress. Instead of missing out om investment opportunities due to what an archaic book said, Pakistan has widened its impact in an industry it has very little impact in currently. That can only be seen as a positive in an economic sense. Again, the alcohol is irrelevant, no one is telling you to drink it. Besides, there has been a brewery in Pakistan for as long as it has existed. You can whine and act like the victim all you want, but total alcohol prohibition was only instated in 1977 in Pak, and was walked back by the next government. I fail to see how continuing a practice which has been consistent in Pakistan throughout its inception is copying other cultures. Perhaps you're still colonised in your mind? Or you want to be more like the previous colonisers- the Arabs.
 
Nothing to do with side effects? Good one. I told you why it was a false equivalency, but you just can't admit you're wrong. Marijuana underwent a huge smear campaign which set back its legality by a fair bit. In the US, the war on drugs only made it more difficult. You think this is such a black-and-white issue, but it really isn't, but I wouldn't expect you to understand nuance.

My 'backward' and 'unevolved' comments, which I stand by, was in relation to religion dictating many of the laws (and only when convenient) in Pakistan. Alcohol was irrelevant. And yes, I am very biased against religion dictating laws, unabashedly so.

Of course those are better signs of progress, but this is still progress. Instead of missing out om investment opportunities due to what an archaic book said, Pakistan has widened its impact in an industry it has very little impact in currently. That can only be seen as a positive in an economic sense. Again, the alcohol is irrelevant, no one is telling you to drink it. Besides, there has been a brewery in Pakistan for as long as it has existed. You can whine and act like the victim all you want, but total alcohol prohibition was only instated in 1977 in Pak, and was walked back by the next government. I fail to see how continuing a practice which has been consistent in Pakistan throughout its inception is copying other cultures. Perhaps you're still colonised in your mind? Or you want to be more like the previous colonisers- the Arabs.

You are being silly and I am not whining. You can scroll through the thread once you have calmed down after your usual anti-religion tirades and notice I haven't commented on the alcohol production but on your bigoted comments calling people backwards and unevolved :)) so your gimmicky and cliched responses arent relevant lol
 
This is more to do with your inherent bias which has formed for whatever reason. You will always think anything regulations/rules related to religion are bacward. The truth is the opposite in this instance, banning alcohol saves so many lives, saves family break ups, save billions of tax payers money, gives more space for health services, less people in prison...the list goes on.

If you bothered to read my posts properly, i agree on allowing alcohol in hotels for foriegners to consume but not in wider society. Islam didnt ban alcohol immediatley as it understood people are addicted, need it. The same way those coming to work or travel in Pakistan may need a glass or two.

Keep your anti-Islam bias in the closet and you'll understand alcohol banned is better for society over all. Islam was more forward 1400 years ago, comapared to countires who allow it in their society now, esp at cheap prices, this is actually backward.

Not necessarily, religion has some good rulings too, though they can be come to without the use of religion, but that's besides the point. Maybe read your history, see how prohibition worked out in the US. You really don't know anything, do you? You just keep asserting things as fact- typical theist.

Well, if you knew the law in Pak, you'd know that non-Muslim Pakistanis are allowed to drink it. Though it is so authoritarian that Muslims don't have the choice to drink it if they so wish. Though, you support that mindset, I'm sure.

My bias isn't only to Islam, my disdain is the same when any religion effects the laws. Islam was more forward than the UK today? Are you serious? When you had people stoned to death for adultery (it's horrible to cheat on your spouse, but to get stoned to death for it?), lashed for homosexuality, murdered for apostasy (bet you'd love that to happen to me, though), women being subjugated, and the list goes on? You do talk some absolute rubbish. The golden age of Islam (was more of a golden age of Arabia + Iran) was fantastic because they were concerned with science, not religion. If there was something to bad that would make the world a better place, it would be religion, but I'm not an authoritarian like you and would never advocate for such a thing.
 
You are being silly and I am not whining. You can scroll through the thread once you have calmed down after your usual anti-religion tirades and notice I haven't commented on the alcohol production but on your bigoted comments calling people backwards and unevolved :)) so your gimmicky and cliched responses arent relevant lol

Great retort. You erroneously claimed that I called people backward for not wanting alcohol, when I clearly said it was for the advocacy of religious laws as state law. Perhaps when you finally obtain the reading comprehension of a teenager, you can discuss with me. I am really rooting for you! I'm happy to tutor you for free.
 
Great retort. You erroneously claimed that I called people backward for not wanting alcohol, when I clearly said it was for the advocacy of religious laws as state law. Perhaps when you finally obtain the reading comprehension of a teenager, you can discuss with me. I am really rooting for you! I'm happy to tutor you for free.

Quite clear what you meant and your subsequent rants only solidify your bigoted and biased views.

I'll pass on the tuition thanks, im doing ok but may get back in touch to leverage your experience if I ever need help coping with a severe identify crisis.
 
Great retort. You erroneously claimed that I called people backward for not wanting alcohol, when I clearly said it was for the advocacy of religious laws as state law. Perhaps when you finally obtain the reading comprehension of a teenager, you can discuss with me. I am really rooting for you! I'm happy to tutor you for free.

You can wriggle out of it now but you wrote this on a topic related to alcohol. If you want to start thread suggesting any religoius society is backward, please go ahead.

Now you've not adressed the points of alcohol being bad/danger to society but your usual college style rants.

Please try another hobby , but no drinking too much booze.
 
You can wriggle out of it now but you wrote this on a topic related to alcohol. If you want to start thread suggesting any religoius society is backward, please go ahead.

Now you've not adressed the points of alcohol being bad/danger to society but your usual college style rants.

Please try another hobby , but no drinking too much booze.

So the context of the post itself doesn't matter? Don't worry, I'll tutor you.

It is quite simple. Alcohol is far more available than the other drugs mentioned. Therefore, it is more likely to effect people and society. Cocaine is far more addictive, and is a stimulant, so it can lead to some cardiovascular issues. If cocaine was legalised and regulated, it likely wouldn't be the same as the 'street' stuff, so the demand for that would only get higher. Without regulations, we don't know what will constitute that cocaine, which is very dangerous. I will not comment on heroin as that should be self evident. I never advocated for alcohol to be widespread in Pakistan, I just said that more creation and exportation of it is only a good thing for the economy. And keep projecting your insecurity about me being educated, it's delicious.
 
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Not necessarily, religion has some good rulings too, though they can be come to without the use of religion, but that's besides the point. Maybe read your history, see how prohibition worked out in the US. You really don't know anything, do you? You just keep asserting things as fact- typical theist.

Well, if you knew the law in Pak, you'd know that non-Muslim Pakistanis are allowed to drink it. Though it is so authoritarian that Muslims don't have the choice to drink it if they so wish. Though, you support that mindset, I'm sure.

My bias isn't only to Islam, my disdain is the same when any religion effects the laws. Islam was more forward than the UK today? Are you serious? When you had people stoned to death for adultery (it's horrible to cheat on your spouse, but to get stoned to death for it?), lashed for homosexuality, murdered for apostasy (bet you'd love that to happen to me, though), women being subjugated, and the list goes on? You do talk some absolute rubbish. The golden age of Islam (was more of a golden age of Arabia + Iran) was fantastic because they were concerned with science, not religion. If there was something to bad that would make the world a better place, it would be religion, but I'm not an authoritarian like you and would never advocate for such a thing.

The US has its own issues such as the majority religions of Christianity do not go against drinking alcohol which is why it failed. Muslims nations wont and havent had the same issue. Comparing apples to cricket balls.

You take a few examples of from a few Muslim socities and paint as if these are regular and correct Islamic recurrances, are you Tommy Robinson?

Alcohol is not good for society. It should be allowed only in hotels in Pakistan to Non-Muslims. You've shown no argument about this and never will.
 
Nothing to do with agenda.

Asking a serious question about the processing of alcohol in Islam, whether it's for internal use or export.

No one will be forced to drink , a large number of people drink anyway, why bring Islam in everything .

Pakistanis generally don't follow Islamic principles but want others to follow .
 
A lot of muslim Pakistanis/British Pakistanis have made a lot of money selling booze in their licensed stores.

They then have the audacity to preach religion to others and get on their moral high ground.

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A lot of muslim Pakistanis/British Pakistanis have made a lot of money selling booze in their licensed stores.

They then have the audacity to preach religion to others and get on their moral high ground.

Outright lie.

How many Pakistanis/BPs made money from selling alcohol in their licensed store?
 
About time.

Alcohol has always been the missing piece in Pakistan's happiness.

Time to make it mainstream.
 
Alcohol is not good for society. It should be allowed only in hotels in Pakistan to Non-Muslims. You've shown no argument about this and never will.

Oh, it's you again. You have 3 options:

1. Petition for a ban of alcohol in the country you reside - the UK.

2. Head to the country of your heritage - Pakistan - and tell the Chinese about the errors of their ways.

3. Continue residing where you are while being a whinebot and having zero impact.

No prizes for guessing which one you'll choose.
 
People living in UK and the west are hardly in a position to have a non-hypocritical opinion on this
 
Find it remarkable that on such issues it is the non muslims and the non practicing ones who tell the muslims what they should do according to their religion.
 
So Madinah Riyasat Pakistan will be making revenue from manufacturing and selling alcohol? Sure it is a Chinese company but the government of Pakistan will also take a share.

As usual, Pakistan will bend over backwards to please its Chinese masters.

All the lectures and speeches by Imran on Islam and the established of a Madinah style welfare state in Pakistan have been made redundant by this decision.

The hypocrisy is comical and the circus show continues.
 
Imran Khan:

We aim to establish a Madinah welfare state in Pakistan. I also urge my people to watch Ertugrul and learn about the values of Islam because my nation has drifted away from Islamic teachings.

Also Imran Khan:

I have agreed to let our Chinese masters manufacture alcohol on the soil of Madinah welfare state and will we also accept the percentage of revenue that it will generate because when it comes to pleasing our Chinese masters, everything is halal.

:)))
 
Ali Muhammad who acts as the most pious Muslim is so irritating! Basically, in a Geo show about this Chinese brewery, PPP’s Kaira told Ali to stop using the term Riyasat-e-Medinah for Pakistan as it is not.

Then, Kaira asked him what the PTI government has done on the ground that actually benefitted the people and propelled Pakistan towards their party’s goal of establishing Riyasat-e-Medinah, Ali replied: ‘Our government passed Finality of Prophethood Bill.’

Seriously, this government has the most incompetent, naive and hypocritical ministers! All of them are hot air!
 
Recently passed by a liquor store near Gizri in Karachi. Hordes of people had lined up to buy liquor. And these aren’t even the more upper class Pakistanis many of whom are literally alcoholics
 
Ali Muhammad who acts as the most pious Muslim is so irritating! Basically, in a Geo show about this Chinese brewery, PPP’s Kaira told Ali to stop using the term Riyasat-e-Medinah for Pakistan as it is not.

Then, Kaira asked him what the PTI government has done on the ground that actually benefitted the people and propelled Pakistan towards their party’s goal of establishing Riyasat-e-Medinah, Ali replied: ‘Our government passed Finality of Prophethood Bill.’

Seriously, this government has the most incompetent, naive and hypocritical ministers! All of them are hot air!

Ali Muhammad is hilarious. Every time he is on tv, he recites Quran verses before speaking and then starts lying.
 
Recently passed by a liquor store near Gizri in Karachi. Hordes of people had lined up to buy liquor. And these aren’t even the more upper class Pakistanis many of whom are literally alcoholics

If liquor is for sale, there will always be people who will buy it. Especially in Pakistan where we see that base instincts usually overpower religious principles.

Liquor should be banned outright in Pakistan in my opinion, for the simple reason it wouldn't be regulated properly, much like everything else.
 
If liquor is for sale, there will always be people who will buy it. Especially in Pakistan where we see that base instincts usually overpower religious principles.

Liquor should be banned outright in Pakistan in my opinion, for the simple reason it wouldn't be regulated properly, much like everything else.

Workable?
The state of Gujarat has banned it and the people who drink still drink it by paying a higher price on black market and the people who sell it make a hefty profit. The cop make lot of money to turn a blind eye and state government is losing tax revenue on Alcohol.
While nearby states and Union territories are very happy with the Government of Gujarat for the awesome benefit in tourism and alcohol tax money which they get.
 
Outright lie.

How many Pakistanis/BPs made money from selling alcohol in their licensed store?

Off licenses general store/corner shops to be more accurate. Loads have made money from this before some have realised and moved on to other businesses.
 
Workable?
The state of Gujarat has banned it and the people who drink still drink it by paying a higher price on black market and the people who sell it make a hefty profit. The cop make lot of money to turn a blind eye and state government is losing tax revenue on Alcohol.
While nearby states and Union territories are very happy with the Government of Gujarat for the awesome benefit in tourism and alcohol tax money which they get.

What they do in India is up to them, perhaps their regulations and law enforcement is better than Pakistan. Although it doesn't sound like it from what you describe. In Europe we have quite strict regulations, and the means to enforce them to restrict alcohol abuse. In Pakistan there appears to be too much corruption for the public to have any faith in law enforcement so better to stick to what people have faith in.
 
If its "only" for Chinese Workers it makes sense when the number of overseas Chinese workers in Pakistan has increased significantly.

But we know this can and will be used by non-Chinese just how Murree Brewery has managed to stay open all this time despite only being allowed to sell to 3% of the population legally.

Which is fair enough if people want to buy and drink alcohol in their own homes. They shouldnt be stopped from doing so
 
And if anyone believes that, they may as well believe in Santa Claus too.

Well it may be true if they are bringing few million Chinese to settle in Pakistan. Else a factory doesn't make sense.

Then pakistanis should worry why so many Chinese are being settled in pakistan?
 
Here's How Karachi’s Wine Shops Serve The Very Thirsty Clientele Of The City

BY ATHER AHMED | 7 AUG, 2017
Over the years, Karachi has become notorious for crime and violence to the extent that whenever you tell someone that you’re from Karachi you’re immediately presented with the question, “mobile kitni baar snatch hoa hai?” But for many people visiting Karachi, the notoriety isn’t limited to just street crime; many people visiting Karachi are often surprised at the discovery of the wine shops running in the city and its drinking, despite the prohibition on open sale and consumption of alcohol in the country.

It appears everyone in Karachi does it, whether they’re the richest living in their mansions or the homeless out on the streets

Karachi is also home to licensed liquor stores that are supposed to sell to “non-Muslims with a permit to consume”. But it’s an open secret that these liquor stores aren’t sustaining their businesses by just selling to licensed consumers. They have been around for quite a while now.

Given that alcohol consumption is already a taboo topic in Pakistan, the knowledge of wine sellers operating under the law brings forth a lot of questions. To feed this curiosity here are few things that we have learned about the wine shops in Karachi.

How do they operate so freely?

Before we get down to anything, else let’s discuss what our law actually says about alcohol consumption. As per the law, non-Muslims are allowed to purchase alcohol after obtaining a permit. There is some contention as to whether they are allowed to buy it for recreation or only in cases wherein it is necessary for a religious ceremony but I won’t get into the specifics of that, as that contention is subject to legal interpretation. The permit, though, prescribes a certain quota for the amount of alcohol one can purchase during a month.

As far the operation of the wine shops goes, there’s still debate whether the licenses obtained by wine sellers are in accordance with the constitution but one thing is clear that the shops are allowed to only be run by non-Muslim owners. So basically these wine shops are by non-Muslims, for non-Muslims. However, in reality, they sell alcohol to everyone without any discrimination. In fact, most of the buyers are Muslims.

One theory suggests that for each product they sell to a Muslim in their own books they make the order against a permit obtained against a non-Muslim’s CNIC. So that if they’re investigated, for all legal purposes these shops are only catering to non-Muslims.

They are also known to protect their customers. Cops generally do not stop people carrying alcohol within the vicinity of the wine shop. Shop owners allegedly pay off the cops in the neighborhoods around these shops, so they don’t disturb the patrons.

Even though they are called wine shops, they don’t just sell wine; the types of liquor sold usually include vodka, beer, whiskey and dry gin. These retailers deal in locally manufactured booze, primarily Murree Brewery.

Other brands of local alcohol that are available at the shops include products from Indus and Mehran distilleries. Prices are volatile with respect to the ongoing political climate and availability of stock.

Selling of foreign alcohol is strictly prohibited, though, since they can’t be legally imported.

Almost every locality in the city has its own wine shops
DHA alone has at least one shop in every commercial area. Despite having so many shops, shortage of stock is a common phenomenon in the city. Says a lot about the people of Karachi, doesn’t it?

People are more disciplined at a wine shop than they are at a ‘sarkari daftar‘. It’s true. You would normally picture drunk people engaging in fist fights and other shenanigans around such shops due to the abundance of alcohol that these patrons could be under the influence of. But the reality is far from it. In order to procure alcohol, the customers form a cue and no one tries to cut the other. No matter if you’re barefoot or in a Prado, everyone is equal when it comes to buying alcohol. Usually, if you’re in a car you just honk and the attendant comes to you. Kinda’ a like a drive-thru but with more personalized service.

They deliver too. They are actually more efficient in their delivery than McDonald’s is. Usually, five cans of beer or a single bottle of hard liquor is their minimum, to be able to offer delivery.
 
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Here's How Karachi’s Wine Shops Serve The Very Thirsty Clientele Of The City
BY ATHER AHMED | 7 AUG, 2017
Over the years, Karachi has become notorious for crime and violence to the extent that whenever you tell someone that you’re from Karachi you’re immediately presented with the question, “mobile kitni baar snatch hoa hai?” But for many people visiting Karachi, the notoriety isn’t limited to just street crime; many people visiting Karachi are often surprised at the discovery of the wine shops running in the city and its drinking, despite the prohibition on open sale and consumption of alcohol in the country.



It appears everyone in Karachi does it, whether they’re the richest living in their mansions or the homeless out on the streets
alcohol-karachi-3
Source: neonetwork.pk
Karachi is also home to licensed liquor stores that are supposed to sell to “non-Muslims with a permit to consume”. But it’s an open secret that these liquor stores aren’t sustaining their businesses by just selling to licensed consumers. They have been around for quite a while now.

Given that alcohol consumption is already a taboo topic in Pakistan, the knowledge of wine sellers operating under the law brings forth a lot of questions. To feed this curiosity here are few things that we have learned about the wine shops in Karachi.



How do they operate so freely?
Before we get down to anything, else let’s discuss what our law actually says about alcohol consumption. As per the law, non-Muslims are allowed to purchase alcohol after obtaining a permit. There is some contention as to whether they are allowed to buy it for recreation or only in cases wherein it is necessary for a religious ceremony but I won’t get into the specifics of that, as that contention is subject to legal interpretation. The permit, though, prescribes a certain quota for the amount of alcohol one can purchase during a month.

As far the operation of the wine shops goes, there’s still debate whether the licenses obtained by wine sellers are in accordance with the constitution but one thing is clear that the shops are allowed to only be run by non-Muslim owners. So basically these wine shops are by non-Muslims, for non-Muslims. However, in reality, they sell alcohol to everyone without any discrimination. In fact, most of the buyers are Muslims.

alcohol-karachi-2
Source: financialexpress.com
One theory suggests that for each product they sell to a Muslim in their own books they make the order against a permit obtained against a non-Muslim’s CNIC. So that if they’re investigated, for all legal purposes these shops are only catering to non-Muslims.

They are also known to protect their customers. Cops generally do not stop people carrying alcohol within the vicinity of the wine shop. Shop owners allegedly pay off the cops in the neighborhoods around these shops, so they don’t disturb the patrons.

Even though they are called wine shops, they don’t just sell wine; the types of liquor sold usually include vodka, beer, whiskey and dry gin. These retailers deal in locally manufactured booze, primarily Murree Brewery.


Source: tribune.com.pk
Other brands of local alcohol that are available at the shops include products from Indus and Mehran distilleries. Prices are volatile with respect to the ongoing political climate and availability of stock.

Selling of foreign alcohol is strictly prohibited, though, since they can’t be legally imported.



Almost every locality in the city has its own wine shops
DHA alone has at least one shop in every commercial area. Despite having so many shops, shortage of stock is a common phenomenon in the city. Says a lot about the people of Karachi, doesn’t it?

alcohol-karachi-1
Source: newslinemagazine.com
People are more disciplined at a wine shop than they are at a ‘sarkari daftar‘. It’s true. You would normally picture drunk people engaging in fist fights and other shenanigans around such shops due to the abundance of alcohol that these patrons could be under the influence of. But the reality is far from it. In order to procure alcohol, the customers form a cue and no one tries to cut the other. No matter if you’re barefoot or in a Prado, everyone is equal when it comes to buying alcohol. Usually, if you’re in a car you just honk and the attendant comes to you. Kinda’ a like a drive-thru but with more personalized service.

They deliver too. They are actually more efficient in their delivery than McDonald’s is. Usually, five cans of beer or a single bottle of hard liquor is their minimum, to be able to offer delivery.

Looks like a very efficient operation. Covering their legal basis, providing personalised customer service and re-stocking.

Foreign liquor import is banned in Pakistan ? That is something new I learnt.
 
Looks like a very efficient operation. Covering their legal basis, providing personalised customer service and re-stocking.

Foreign liquor import is banned in Pakistan ? That is something new I learnt.

What I find interesting in that article is that everyone buying alcohol acts in such an orderly manner which is probably not true in other retail environments. One of the possible reasons for that is that because it is considered comparatively taboo in Pakistan, no one wants to draw attention to themselves.

If that was England or Scotland you would have people hanging around drink establishments drinking openly and getting into fist fights as they got more and more drunk. This shows that it's a good thing not to romanticise alcohol consumption, something we in the UK are coming to terms with, and that is why you see much stricter licensing laws in recent times as compared to 20 years ago.
 
What I find interesting in that article is that everyone buying alcohol acts in such an orderly manner which is probably not true in other retail environments. One of the possible reasons for that is that because it is considered comparatively taboo in Pakistan, no one wants to draw attention to themselves.

If that was England or Scotland you would have people hanging around drink establishments drinking openly and getting into fist fights as they got more and more drunk. This shows that it's a good thing not to romanticise alcohol consumption, something we in the UK are coming to terms with, and that is why you see much stricter licensing laws in recent times as compared to 20 years ago.

Well to be honest English are the worst drunks I have ever meet. My gf is from spain and I have been visiting Spain for number of years . Alcohol has no restrictions. You can buy a beer through a vending machine in the hospital waiting room. Alcohol is dirt cheap. However it’s considered very rude and out of character to be drunk. It happens but nothing like usa ,U.K., Australia . I have noticed france and italy are the same as spain. All depends on the culture
 
Well to be honest English are the worst drunks I have ever meet. My gf is from spain and I have been visiting Spain for number of years . Alcohol has no restrictions. You can buy a beer through a vending machine in the hospital waiting room. Alcohol is dirt cheap. However it’s considered very rude and out of character to be drunk. It happens but nothing like usa ,U.K., Australia . I have noticed france and italy are the same as spain. All depends on the culture

I actually touched upon this same aspect of drink culture in a similar thread a few years ago. My belief is that Indians and Pakistanis are also crap drinkers. The thread was about whisky which tells you all you need to know re desi taste for the hard stuff. I don't think they have developed a mature culture around alcohol like you might find in southern Europe. I think it varies from country to country depending on their outlook. Poland and Russia probably don't have such a healthy relationship with it as say Spain or Italy, and I think India and Pakistan would also fall into the irresponsible category.
 
Surely what is bad for Muslims cannot be sold to others?

Btw Murree Brewery has been making beer in Pakistan for a while

Yes Murree Brewary does make alcahol and beer, but what keeps that factroy protected is due to the fact that the factory is located in front of army house. So it gets automatic security and no one could dare attack it.

This Chinese Brewary will be at risk.

Its good they are opening brewaries, more jobs and employmment. THe Murree Brewary provides benefit to the economy.
 
If liquor is for sale, there will always be people who will buy it. Especially in Pakistan where we see that base instincts usually overpower religious principles.

Liquor should be banned outright in Pakistan in my opinion, for the simple reason it wouldn't be regulated properly, much like everything else.

why should it be banned in Pakistan? Again, why overseas Pakistanis should be dictating how the country of their forefathers should operate?

Why should peoples dirnking habits and clothing habits be regulated? Leave the awaam alone let them decide. Moral policing is in the blood of every Pakistani it seems
 
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