In-Depth Analysis of Corruption and Other Legal Charges Against Imran Khan

[LordJames]

Dear Brothers @emranabbas @Major @Mamoon

Please accept my sincere apologies if I have previously addressed you incorrectly. Kindly disregard any earlier miscommunication. If there are others who are part of this discussion but not specifically named here, consider this an open invitation to join in an honest, respectful, and truth-seeking exchange.

I would like to clarify that I am not affiliated with Imran Khan or Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) in any capacity. I am also not eligible to vote or support any political party in Pakistan, nor will I ever be in such a position.

Where I live, how I earn my livelihood, where I pay taxes, and how those taxes are spent is a personal matter—just as your earnings, tax payments, and financial choices are your own business.
​

Who is Imran Khan?

He is neither a Prophet, nor a saint (Wali), nor even a deeply learned scholar of Islam. He is a human being—fallible and capable of making mistakes like anyone else.

However, when compared to the entrenched cabal of corrupt politicians and military elites in Pakistan, it is reasonable to say that he is likely better than the rest.

This is not to claim that he is perfect or ideal—only that, in relative terms, he stands out as a better option than the alternatives currently available.

Purpose of This Discussion

The focus here is Imran Khan and the allegations made against him. I respectfully request that we all stay on topic and critically evaluate the substance of the claims, rather than diverting into unrelated matters.

I assume you may be approaching this from an Islamic framework, and if so, I kindly ask that you provide clear Islamic evidence to support your assertions.

If you instead prefer to argue from a legal or secular perspective, that is also valid—please just state your approach explicitly.

In any case, when it comes to corruption allegations, kindly reference the specific Pakistani law you believe has been violated.

I am a Muslim, and I genuinely hope that this discussion remains civil, constructive, and informative. My intention is to learn, so I welcome any relevant information or perspectives that I may not be aware of.

Thank you for your time, and I look forward to an enriching dialogue.​

 

[LordJames]

Imran Khan: Accusations of Being a “Jewish Agent” or “Qadiyani” — What’s the Truth?

What This Debate is Not About

This is not a discussion about whether Qadiyanis/Ahmadis fall within the fold of Islam or about the constitutional definition of a Muslim in Pakistan. That matter is settled in Article 260(3) of the Pakistani Constitution (1974 Amendment):

“A person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophethood of Muhammad (Peace be upon him), the last of the Prophets, or claims to be a Prophet in any sense or recognizes such a claimant, is not a Muslim for the purposes of the Constitution or law.”

Is Imran Khan a “Jew,” a “Jewish agent,” or a “Qadiyani” (Ahmadi)?

Any attempt to shift the discussion toward broader theological debates is a distraction. The focus is solely on the truth or falsehood of these accusations against Imran Khan.

What Has Imran Khan Publicly Stated?

At 1:34 in this video, Imran Khan unequivocally states:

“Let me make it clear. I consider the Qur’an to be the word of Allah, and whoever believes in the Qur’an is a Muslim. Since the Qur’an categorically states that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) is the last Messenger, then whoever does not believe that cannot be a Muslim.”

This statement is consistent with both the Qur’an and the constitutional definition of a Muslim in Pakistan.

Challenge: Provide Evidence

Since this is a matter of belief and serious accusation under both Islamic and constitutional standards, anyone claiming that Imran Khan is:​

1. a Jew​
2. a Jewish agent, or​
3. a Qadiyani​

must present clear and credible Islamic evidence — not hearsay, political propaganda, or personal bias.

Without such proof, these accusations stand as baseless slander (buhtaan) — a grave sin in Islam.

Islamic Principles of Takfeer:

If you cannot then fear Allah and drop these baseless accusations from today on because the authentic narration clearly states:

Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “When a man calls his brother an unbeliever, it turns against at least one of them. Either the accused is as he claimed, or else the charge will turn against him.”
[Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6104, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 60]
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[LordJames]

Did Imran Khan Marry a Jew?

Even if we assume the worst-case scenario — that Jemima Khan is Jewish and never embraced Islam — there is absolutely no issue from an Islamic perspective.

What Does Islam Say?

Marriage to a Jewish woman is explicitly permissible in Islam. The Qur’an makes this clear:

Surah Al-Ma’idah (5:5): “This day, [all] good things have been made lawful for you. The food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. Also [lawful are] chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you — when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual relations or taking them as mistresses...”

This verse refers directly to marriage with Jews and Christians (the People of the Book) — under the condition of a proper marriage and intent for chastity.

Baseless Objection

Therefore, the claim that marrying a Jew is somehow evidence of betrayal, hypocrisy, or unbelief is not supported by the Qur’an. It is permissible, plain and simple.

If anyone believes otherwise, they must provide valid Islamic evidence, not cultural bias, political slander, or emotional arguments.​

What This Debate is Not About

Questions like “Why didn’t Jemima convert?” or “Why didn’t she cover?” are distractions—and frankly, irrelevant (see next post as to why!)

Even if she remained Jewish (worst-case scenario), Islam permits Muslim men to marry women of the Book.

As for “Why can’t Muslim women marry non-Muslims?”—that’s a separate theological issue and irrelevant to this case.

Let’s stay focused: Imran Khan did nothing un-Islamic.​

 

[LordJames]

Did Jemima Khan Have Affairs After Divorce?

The divorce between Imran Khan and Jemima Khan was finalized in 2004. Whatever choices Jemima makes as a grown woman after that point—whether personal, religious, or moral—have no bearing on Imran Khan.

Key Points:

Her post-divorce lifestyle is not his responsibility in any way. Whether she:​

1. remained a Muslim,​
2. returned to Judaism,​
3. or chose a promiscuous lifestyle,​

these are personal matters for which Imran Khan bears no religious or moral accountability.

Burden of Proof Lies on the Accuser

If someone claims that Imran Khan is blameworthy because of Jemima’s post-divorce behavior, they must bring clear and valid Islamic evidence. Without it, the accusation holds no weight in Islam and falls into the realm of slander (buhtaan) — which is a major sin.

​

 

[LordJames]

Did Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi violate the Qur’anic injunction regarding ‘Iddah?

What the Islamic Legal Tradition Says and "Minimum Length of ‘Iddah:"

According to Mufti Taqi Usmani, a highly respected Islamic scholar and former judge of the Shariat Appellate Bench of the Supreme Court of Pakistan, the minimum ‘iddah period is 39 days. Reference: Allah Dad vs Mukhtar, 1992 SCMR 1273.

Who Determines Whether ‘Iddah is Complete?

In Islamic law, a woman’s own testimony about her menstruation cycle and the completion of her ‘iddah is accepted without dispute.

The Egyptian Dar al-Iftaa, quoting Al-Mughni, affirms:

“The testimony of a trustworthy woman is accepted in matters men cannot determine, such as nursing, childbirth, menstruation, and ‘iddah. There is no disagreement among scholars on this matter.”

Facts in This Case:

Bushra Bibi herself has categorically stated that her ‘iddah was complete before marriage.

Judge Muhammad Afzal Majoka of the Islamabad Additional District and Sessions Court has accepted her testimony, as per Islamic legal principles, and exonerated both parties.

Burden of Proof Lies on the Accuser

Unless Islamically valid evidence is brought forth proving that the marriage occurred within the ‘iddah period and that the woman’s own testimony is false (with witnesses, not assumptions), no accusation holds weight in Shari’ah.

Without that, continuing this claim is slander (buhtaan)—a major sin in Islam.
​

 

[LordJames]

Did Imran Khan “illegally” sell gifts and broke the law?

What is the Toshakhana?

The Toshakhana (Urdu: توشہ خانہ) is a department under Pakistan’s Cabinet Division responsible for storing and managing gifts received by public officials from foreign dignitaries. These gifts are considered state property unless lawfully retained by the recipient.

What Does the Law Say?

Under the rules in place during Imran Khan’s tenure as Prime Minister (2018–2022):​

• Public officials were allowed to purchase gifts received during official duty by paying 20% of the assessed value (later raised to 50% and then 85% in subsequent revisions).​
• Once purchased, the items became the private property of the recipient.​

What Did Imran Khan Do?
​

• Imran Khan legally purchased the gifts from Toshakhana by paying the prescribed 20% value.​
• He later sold these gifts on the open market, which is lawful once ownership is transferred.​
• He used the proceeds, among other things, to fund public works, including the repair of roads leading to the Prime Minister’s residence—not for personal luxury or private misuse.​
• The sale and income were declared in his annual tax returns filed with the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR).​
• The Islamabad High Court later overturned his conviction in the Toshakhana case, citing a flawed and rushed trial process.​

What This Debate is Not About

This is not a debate about:​

• Whether the law should require 50% or more of the gift's value.​
• Whether gifts should ideally be auctioned for public transparency.​

These are policy questions, not legal violations. The core issue is simple:
Did Imran Khan break the law in force at the time?

The answer is: No, he did not.

What About Other Politicians?

Unlike Imran Khan—who:​

• Declared the gifts,​
• Paid the legally required amount,​
• Sold them lawfully,​
• Declared the proceeds in his taxes—​

Many Pakistani politicians have:
​

• Not paid even the required 20%,​
• Retained gifts unlawfully, and​
• Engaged in open corruption without accountability.​

These violations are well-documented, as reported in credible outlets like Business Recorder.
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[LordJames]

The £190 Million Scandal: What Happened?
Who Is Malik Riaz?

Malik Riaz is the chairman of Bahria Town, one of Pakistan’s largest real estate empires, long accused of illegal land acquisitions, encroachment, and political manipulation. He has been a frequent subject of both Pakistani and UK-based investigations.

National Crime Agency (NCA) Investigation – UK

In December 2019, the UK’s National Crime Agency (NCA) entered into a settlement with Malik Riaz’s family, freezing and seizing £190 million worth of assets, including:​

• £140 million in bank accounts​
• A £50 million luxury property at 1 Hyde Park Place, London​

These were suspected proceeds of crime tied to corrupt real estate deals in Pakistan.

Key point: The NCA did not initiate a criminal trial or conviction—it settled without admission of guilt, as allowed under UK’s Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 (POCA).

The funds were to be repatriated to Pakistan under an agreement with the Asset Recovery Unit (ARU), led by Shahzad Akbar, reporting to Imran Khan’s Prime Minister’s Office.

The Allegation:
The £190 million was returned to the Supreme Court's Bahria Town account as part of an adjustment of a 2019 Supreme Court settlement in which Bahria Town owed Rs. 460 billion to the state.

The accusation is that Imran Khan, Bushra Bibi, and Shahzad Akbar:
​

1. Facilitated this arrangement without cabinet approval, and​
2. In return, allegedly received a 25-acre land allotment for Al-Qadir Trust University, whose trustees were Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi.​

Charges Against Imran Khan: Filed by NAB in 2023:

National Accountability Ordinance, 1999 "Alleging criminal breach of trust, misuse of authority, and quid pro quo corruption"

Key claims:
​

1. Cabinet approval for returning the £190m was not formally secured.​
2. Al-Qadir Trust land was allegedly a bribe.​
3. Public funds were diverted for private benefit.​

Why Imran Khan's Legal Team Asserts He Is Innocent​

1. No Personal Gain Proven: No evidence that Imran Khan personally benefited from the £190 million or received funds directly.​
2. Al-Qadir Trust University is a non-profit charity; land was donated for educational purposes, not owned privately.​
3. The Money Was Recovered, Not Lost. The £190 million was not embezzled or siphoned off—it was repatriated to Pakistan. The Pakistan government received the funds and applied them toward a pending fine on Bahria Town—still a state asset.​
4. Legal Precedent on Cabinet Approval: Cabinet ratification can be post-facto, and not all decisions require full cabinet approval in real time. No law explicitly required prior cabinet approval in this context; if it was a procedural lapse, it does not constitute corruption.​
5. No Evidence of Quid Pro Quo: The Al-Qadir Trust land donation occurred in March 2021, nearly 1.5 years after the UK settlement (2019). Imran Khan was not involved in real estate transfers; Malik Riaz’s daughter gifted the land, which is common for philanthropic causes. There is no direct link between the trust and the £190 million settlement.​
6. Politically Motivated Prosecution: The case emerged amid a broader crackdown on Imran Khan after his ouster in April​

Summary at a 5 year old level:​

• The British government put £190 million into Pakistan’s Supreme Court account — Imran Khan never touched this money.​
• The corruption case happened in Britain, so no one in Pakistan, including Imran Khan, could control it.​
• The land for the Islamic university was donated 1.5 years after the court’s decision.​
• The land was given by Malik Riaz’s daughter, not Malik Riaz himself.​

 

[LordJames]

Why did Imran Khan disown Tyrian White?

Setting the record straight

Yes, adultery/fornication is a major sin in Islam, and Imran Khan has admitted to grave mistakes from his past—like many others who lived un-Islamic lives before turning back to faith.

Today, he appears to be more practicing and conscious of Islamic values. Mocking someone for their past after they've repented is not just shameful—it’s a sin in itself.

The Prophet ﷺ warned: “Whoever taunts a Muslim for a sin he has repented from will not die until he commits it himself.” — [Tirmidhi]

We don’t defend the sin—we acknowledge it, condemn it, and leave judgment to Allah’s Mercy, not public ridicule.

Of course this is not to blame the child and this is no fault of there own.

Accepting and Acknowledging Illegitimate Children

As stated earlier, adultery is a grave sin—but in Islam, a person is not obligated to publicly acknowledge an illegitimate child.

Please understand: the issue here is public acknowledgment, not whether someone should be kind or supportive to the child.

From an Islamic standpoint, Imran Khan’s refusal to publicly acknowledge the child is not sinful, though the original act remains a serious offense.

Pakistani Constitution

By all means, change the law in Pakistan to disqualify anyone who has committed adultery or fornication from contesting elections — and apply it equally to Imran Khan and everyone else. No objections.

But as the law stands today, the matter has been legally tried multiple times, and Imran Khan has been cleared of any wrongdoing.
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[Bewal Express]

Brilliant post and let's see the haters debate. I look forward to the discussion on this because it goes to the heart of the hate and misinformation from the Noora and ISI media cells. I look forward to @Major explain why he thinks the NCA money belonged to the PK state.

 

[LordJames]

Brilliant post and let's see the haters debate. I look forward to the discussion on this because it goes to the heart of the hate and misinformation from the Noora and ISI media cells. I look forward to @Major explain why he thinks the NCA money belonged to the PK state.

Personal Response:

People may ask why I speak about Imran Khan when I can't vote or take part in Pakistani politics. It's simple: he defended the honor of Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) on the world stage, and I refuse to stay silent while he's falsely accused. I'm not saying he's perfect—he's human and makes mistakes—but he's not guilty of the charges used to imprison him.

Where he has made mistakes, call him out for his mistakes​

 

[Bewal Express]

Personal Response:

People may ask why I speak about Imran Khan when I can't vote or take part in Pakistani politics. It's simple: he defended the honor of Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) on the world stage, and I refuse to stay silent while he's falsely accused. I'm not saying he's perfect—he's human and makes mistakes—but he's not guilty of the charges used to imprison him.

Where he has made mistakes, call him out for his mistakes​

Absolutely agree with you op. He isnt a saint and is more than infallible but he is a good man with a good heart. He could have easily taken the offers to go abroad but he didnt, even though he has been tortured in prison. Countries are built around the likes of IK but our Generals see him as a threat to their greed and unfettered power to play God.

 

[IMMY69]

How long are we going to wait?

 

[Bewal Express]

How long are we going to wait?

These guys know they are dishonest and when their lies are exposed they run.

 

[LordJames]

How long are we going to wait?

My intention is to have an honest dialogue and find out what I am missing.

These guys know they are dishonest and when their lies are exposed they run.

These are our Muslim brothers and we all have the right to disagree.

Lets have a polite and courteous exchange of ideas.

 

[Major]

Post no.1, post no.2, post no.3 and post no.4 are irrelevent.

First of all its highly offensive to refer ahamadis as qadiyanis. Whether anyone is an ahmadi or not is an irrelevant discussion and i dont care. Judaism is a religion, marrying a jew, christian, atheist are stupid discussions. Jemimah can marrying or have an affair with whomever one she likes.

There is no discussion in this thread. Because not a single post is an opinion of yours. You used chatgpt and posted whatever you found from there.

To build a narrative from chatgpt is very easy. I can also use chatgpt is build a narrative in my favor. So sorry, this is not an analysis or a debate.

Its only a debate when you actually type it up and give your own opinion.

The NCA investigation was covered by DAWN really well. https://www.dawn.com/news/1618221/malik-riaz-the-art-of-the-deal

The money was returned by UK to Pakistan, yet Imran gave it back to Malik Riaz. He set himself up. End of story. Doesnt matter what narrative you build form ChatGpt.

I dont care about Bushra's iddat. But I have 0 respect for a women who has held a long marriage with a person and have grown adult children, but still divorces to marry someone else just to fulfill her lust at such an age. I have 0 respect for Imran who just stole another mans wife.

I dont care what any religion says, in our culture this is low and pathetic.

 

[LordJames]

Post no.1, post no.2, post no.3 and post no.4 are irrelevent.

Sure, please go ahead and point out the irrelevancies.

First of all its highly offensive to refer ahamadis as qadiyanis. Whether anyone is an ahmadi or not is an irrelevant discussion and i dont care. Judaism is a religion, marrying a jew, christian, atheist are stupid discussions. Jemimah can marrying or have an affair with whomever one she likes.

First point is irrelevant and for rest you have not posted anything substantial or have any disagreements.

There is no discussion in this thread. Because not a single post is an opinion of yours. You used chatgpt and posted whatever you found from there.

To build a narrative from chatgpt is very easy. I can also use chatgpt is build a narrative in my favor. So sorry, this is not an analysis or a debate.

Irrelevant but please feel free to use ChatGPT or whatever you want to build a counter narrative.

The NCA investigation was covered by DAWN really well. https://www.dawn.com/news/1618221/malik-riaz-the-art-of-the-deal

Your link has an embedded link to the issue which is covered by Dawn here: https://www.dawn.com/news/1520223 and I quote two lines:

1. The National Crime Agency (NCA) of the United Kingdom has agreed to a settlement worth £190 million with the family of property tycoon Malik Riaz.
2. The assets will be returned to the State of Pakistan.

The report from your own links shows that it has nothing to do with Imran Khan!

I dont care about Bushra's iddat. But I have 0 respect for a women who has held a long marriage with a person and have grown adult children, but still divorces to marry someone else just to fulfill her lust at such an age. I have 0 respect for Imran who just stole another mans wife.

I dont care what any religion says, in our culture this is low and pathetic.

So far you have given zero evidence for anything and on this issue, I don't understand what you are saying.

1. What is your problem with divorce?
2. What is your evidence that she followed her lust?
3. What is your evidence that Imran Khan stole someone's wife?
4. So your culture is higher then your religion? Sorry can you name your religion and your culture so I am clear as to what is higher and what is lower?

 

[Bewal Express]

Post no.1, post no.2, post no.3 and post no.4 are irrelevent.

First of all its highly offensive to refer ahamadis as qadiyanis. Whether anyone is an ahmadi or not is an irrelevant discussion and i dont care. Judaism is a religion, marrying a jew, christian, atheist are stupid discussions. Jemimah can marrying or have an affair with whomever one she likes.

There is no discussion in this thread. Because not a single post is an opinion of yours. You used chatgpt and posted whatever you found from there.

To build a narrative from chatgpt is very easy. I can also use chatgpt is build a narrative in my favor. So sorry, this is not an analysis or a debate.

Its only a debate when you actually type it up and give your own opinion.

The NCA investigation was covered by DAWN really well. https://www.dawn.com/news/1618221/malik-riaz-the-art-of-the-deal

The money was returned by UK to Pakistan, yet Imran gave it back to Malik Riaz. He set himself up. End of story. Doesnt matter what narrative you build form ChatGpt.

I dont care about Bushra's iddat. But I have 0 respect for a women who has held a long marriage with a person and have grown adult children, but still divorces to marry someone else just to fulfill her lust at such an age. I have 0 respect for Imran who just stole another mans wife.

I dont care what any religion says, in our culture this is low and pathetic.

No the money was a settlement between MR and the NCA- it was a civil settlement. He decided that he wanted it to be used to pay off the SC debt. That is just a fact. This is the reason why the appeal hasnt been heard by the Generali Judges because they and the Junta would be embarrassed. Surely it doesnt take 8 months to hear the appeal. So a blatant caught.

 

[Bewal Express]

Sure, please go ahead and point out the irrelevancies.



First point is irrelevant and for rest you have not posted anything substantial or have any disagreements.


Irrelevant but please feel free to use ChatGPT or whatever you want to build a counter narrative.



Your link has an embedded link to the issue which is covered by Dawn here: https://www.dawn.com/news/1520223 and I quote two lines:

1. The National Crime Agency (NCA) of the United Kingdom has agreed to a settlement worth £190 million with the family of property tycoon Malik Riaz.
2. The assets will be returned to the State of Pakistan.

The report from your own links shows that it has nothing to do with Imran Khan!



So far you have given zero evidence for anything and on this issue, I don't understand what you are saying.

1. What is your problem with divorce?
2. What is your evidence that she followed her lust?
3. What is your evidence that Imran Khan stole someone's wife?
4. So your culture is higher then your religion? Sorry can you name your religion and your culture so I am clear as to what is higher and what is lower?

@Major should has no evidence, just ISI and Noora titbits.

 

[Bewal Express]

Post no.1, post no.2, post no.3 and post no.4 are irrelevent.

First of all its highly offensive to refer ahamadis as qadiyanis. Whether anyone is an ahmadi or not is an irrelevant discussion and i dont care. Judaism is a religion, marrying a jew, christian, atheist are stupid discussions. Jemimah can marrying or have an affair with whomever one she likes.

There is no discussion in this thread. Because not a single post is an opinion of yours. You used chatgpt and posted whatever you found from there.

To build a narrative from chatgpt is very easy. I can also use chatgpt is build a narrative in my favor. So sorry, this is not an analysis or a debate.

Its only a debate when you actually type it up and give your own opinion.

The NCA investigation was covered by DAWN really well. https://www.dawn.com/news/1618221/malik-riaz-the-art-of-the-deal

The money was returned by UK to Pakistan, yet Imran gave it back to Malik Riaz. He set himself up. End of story. Doesnt matter what narrative you build form ChatGpt.

I dont care about Bushra's iddat. But I have 0 respect for a women who has held a long marriage with a person and have grown adult children, but still divorces to marry someone else just to fulfill her lust at such an age. I have 0 respect for Imran who just stole another mans wife.

I dont care what any religion says, in our culture this is low and pathetic.

Who asked you to respect Bushra Bibi. That is a pathetic and weak argument. The PK state have interfered in a personal matter to persecute her and her husband. I thought you were more educated and better than that. That is what the Schizophrenic would say.@Mamoon

 

[Bewal Express]

My intention is to have an honest dialogue and find out what I am missing.


These are our Muslim brothers and we all have the right to disagree.

Lets have a polite and courteous exchange of ideas.

You niyaat is clean but you are dealing with immoral cretins. Look at the lies on Bushra Bibi and the NCA agreement. @Major why are they running from the appeals. The Prosecution apparently couldn't find a counsel and then the Judge run off. Why?

 

[LordJames]

No the money was a settlement between MR and the NCA- it was a civil settlement. He decided that he wanted it to be used to pay off the SC debt. That is just a fact. This is the reason why the appeal hasnt been heard by the Generali Judges because they and the Junta would be embarrassed. Surely it doesnt take 8 months to hear the appeal. So a blatant caught.

@Major has provided link in his response and I quote @Major "The NCA investigation was covered by DAWN really well"

Malik Riaz & the art of the deal

The Pakistani state went out of its way to ensure that the property tycoon’s £190m settlement in the UK worked out in his favour.

www.dawn.com

Line 13 of the article has "Dawn Report" on the £190 million out-of-court civil settlement with Mr Riaz which is here:

SC accepts Bahria Town’s offer of Rs460bn to settle Malir cases

Settlement amount has to be paid in seven years

www.dawn.com

Both of the links provided by @Major do not even mention "Imran Khan" let alone make any links to the money or corruption

Absolute zilch, Nada, nothing to do with Imran Khan in the links which @Major has provided in his response.

You niyaat is clean but you are dealing with immoral cretins. Look at the lies on Bushra Bibi and the NCA agreement. @Major

So we wait for a response...let them respond with any "Niyyat" and any means or methods or tools AI or without AI

@Major is free to use any tools he wants, waiting for him to respond to the issue.

 

[Bewal Express]

@Major has provided link in his response and I quote @Major "The NCA investigation was covered by DAWN really well"

Malik Riaz & the art of the deal

The Pakistani state went out of its way to ensure that the property tycoon’s £190m settlement in the UK worked out in his favour.

www.dawn.com

Line 13 of the article has "Dawn Report" on the £190 million out-of-court civil settlement with Mr Riaz which is here:

SC accepts Bahria Town’s offer of Rs460bn to settle Malir cases

Settlement amount has to be paid in seven years

www.dawn.com

Both of the links provided by @Major do not even mention "Imran Khan" let alone make any links to the money or corruption

Absolute zilch, Nada, nothing to do with Imran Khan in the links which @Major has provided in his response.



So we wait for a response...let them respond with any "Niyyat" and any means or methods or tools AI or without AI

@Major is free to use any tools he wants, waiting for him to respond to the issue.

@Major should also explain why the SC fined MR and who took bribes off him in Karachi and then why the Sindh govt kept quiet although the land was stolen from Villagers they were elected to represent and later who wanted the money?

 

[LordJames]

@Major should also explain why the SC fined MR and who took bribes off him in Karachi and then why the Sindh govt kept quiet although the land was stolen from Villagers they were elected to represent and later who wanted the money?

Sure brother and @Major can answer that in a different topic on a different day

Today @Major has provided this link while stating "The NCA investigation was covered by DAWN really well"

Malik Riaz & the art of the deal

The Pakistani state went out of its way to ensure that the property tycoon’s £190m settlement in the UK worked out in his favour.

www.dawn.com

This has nothing to do with Imran Khan and nowhere does it mention Imran Khan

So I guess that @Major can:

1. Point out where his links ascribe corruption to Imran Khan
2. OR provide more information or evidence for corruption of Imran Khan which he has repeatedly mentioned.

If @Major thinks Imran Khan is guilty of corruption of £190 million then he must have some proof.

So we wait...

 

[Bewal Express]

@LordJames
@Major
Look into who the Judge the Junta appointed to hear the case. The Judge Nasir Javed Rana is more bent than the AZ and NS. Surely major sahib they could found someone with a modicum of respectability if this case had any legs.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

This thread could well be a kryptonite for certain few we know who spun and derailed everything

Please don't hesitate to come forward

 

[LordJames]

Why did Imran Khan disown Tyrian White?

Setting the record straight

Yes, adultery/fornication is a major sin in Islam, and Imran Khan has admitted to grave mistakes from his past—like many others who lived un-Islamic lives before turning back to faith.

Today, he appears to be more practicing and conscious of Islamic values. Mocking someone for their past after they've repented is not just shameful—it’s a sin in itself.

The Prophet ﷺ warned: “Whoever taunts a Muslim for a sin he has repented from will not die until he commits it himself.” — [Tirmidhi]

We don’t defend the sin—we acknowledge it, condemn it, and leave judgment to Allah’s Mercy, not public ridicule.

Of course this is not to blame the child and this is no fault of there own.

Accepting and Acknowledging Illegitimate Children

As stated earlier, adultery is a grave sin—but in Islam, a person is not obligated to publicly acknowledge an illegitimate child.

Please understand: the issue here is public acknowledgment, not whether someone should be kind or supportive to the child.

From an Islamic standpoint, Imran Khan’s refusal to publicly acknowledge the child is not sinful, though the original act remains a serious offense.

Pakistani Constitution

By all means, change the law in Pakistan to disqualify anyone who has committed adultery or fornication from contesting elections — and apply it equally to Imran Khan and everyone else. No objections.

But as the law stands today, the matter has been legally tried multiple times, and Imran Khan has been cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Brother @Mamoon

Please feel free to offer a differing view from a qualified Islamic authority if one exists. However, based on my understanding, Islam permits not publicly acknowledging an illegitimate child.

I'm not engaging in a discussion about morality or cultural norms. From what I gather, Imran Khan has not violated any clear Islamic injunctions or Pakistani laws in this matter.

Multiple courts in Pakistan have also exonerated him on the issue.

I understand that you may hold a different personal view, and that’s entirely your right. However, as a doctor, I hope you can at least acknowledge that there is a legitimate alternative perspective on this matter — even if you strongly disagree with it. Or do you feel it is appropriate to impose your own views on others, rather than allow space for differing opinions?

Hoping for a mature, sensible and professional discussion with you on this topic.

Thank you.​

 

[Patriot]

I’m no supporter of PTI nor do I have anything against Imran Khan, but I can’t get over the £190m scandal involving Malik Riaz.

1. The U.K. National Crime Agency does not settle. That is not how they operate and they can do it without a criminal case. If they suspect money laundering or anything that is fraudulent, they will freeze assets and take control of it. That money belonged to Pakistan and should not have been used by the Imran Khan, cabinet approval or not to settle what Malik Riaz owned. What Malik Riaz owed should have been separate and in addition to that £190m. However, I don’t see how Imran Khan personally benefited out of this situation other than the charity donation.

2. The donation is extremely dodgy. Why did it go to Imran Khan’s charity? There are so many charities operating across Pakistan. Why could it have not gone anywhere else. If Imran Khan had any sense, he would have made sure to keep his charities out of this purely for ethical purposes.

For those accusing Imran’s wife of divorcing her husband so she could marry Imran, in Islam, accusing someone’s character is very serious and should be carefully done and not spread in public. Also, what evidence is there that she did this and the marriage was not valid.

 

[LordJames]

I’m no supporter of PTI nor do I have anything against Imran Khan, but I can’t get over the £190m scandal involving Malik Riaz.

1. The U.K. National Crime Agency does not settle. That is not how they operate and they can do it without a criminal case. If they suspect money laundering or anything that is fraudulent, they will freeze assets and take control of it. That money belonged to Pakistan and should not have been used by the Imran Khan, cabinet approval or not to settle what Malik Riaz owned. What Malik Riaz owed should have been separate and in addition to that £190m. However, I don’t see how Imran Khan personally benefited out of this situation other than the charity donation.

2. The donation is extremely dodgy. Why did it go to Imran Khan’s charity? There are so many charities operating across Pakistan. Why could it have not gone anywhere else. If Imran Khan had any sense, he would have made sure to keep his charities out of this purely for ethical purposes.

For those accusing Imran’s wife of divorcing her husband so she could marry Imran, in Islam, accusing someone’s character is very serious and should be carefully done and not spread in public. Also, what evidence is there that she did this and the marriage was not valid.

Brother,
I am enclosing all the links for you or anyone else to verify and correct the record.

Facts:

1. The investigations against Malik Riaz (by NAB in Pakistan) and National Crime Agency in UK started in 2017 but reached its climax in 2018​
2. Imran Khan was Prime Minister between 13 August 2018 – 21 October 2022​
3. Daughter of Malik Riaz donated land to Imran Khan which was used to build Al-Qadir University which is a trust in April 2019​
4. Imran Khan did the groundbreaking ceremony of the Al-Qadir University on May 05, 2019.​
5. Malik Riaz agreed to settle with National Crime Agency in UK in December 2019 for 190 million with the British Government ​
6. Pakistan Government received the agreement from National Crime Agency in UK in December 2019 ​
7. The 190 million was paid by British Government into Bank Account of Supreme Court of Pakistan and remains there to this day. Imran Khan or PTI or anyone else never had access to the money and the case isn't about the money.​

In other words, the groundbreaking of Al-Qadir University was a full 6 months BEFORE Malik Riaz even agreed to settle with the British Government.

The money never went to Imran Khan and remains to this day in the Bank Account of Supreme Court of Pakistan from the time it was sent by British Government. The money was never used by Al-Qadir University and not meant for it.

If your objection is that daughter of Malik Riaz donated land as a bribe for Imran Khan Government to facilitate or reach a deal with the British Government, the land is for Al-Qadir University, Imran Khan or PTI still didn't benefit!​

 

[Patriot]

Brother,
I am enclosing all the links for you or anyone else to verify and correct the record.

Facts:

1. The investigations against Malik Riaz (by NAB in Pakistan) and National Crime Agency in UK started in 2017 but reached its climax in 2018​
2. Imran Khan was Prime Minister between 13 August 2018 – 21 October 2022​
3. Daughter of Malik Riaz donated land to Imran Khan which was used to build Al-Qadir University which is a trust in April 2019​
4. Imran Khan did the groundbreaking ceremony of the Al-Qadir University on May 05, 2019.​
5. Malik Riaz agreed to settle with National Crime Agency in UK in December 2019 for 190 million with the British Government ​
6. Pakistan Government received the agreement from National Crime Agency in UK in December 2019 ​
7. The 190 million was paid by British Government into Bank Account of Supreme Court of Pakistan and remains there to this day. Imran Khan or PTI or anyone else never had access to the money and the case isn't about the money.​

In other words, the groundbreaking of Al-Qadir University was a full 6 months BEFORE Malik Riaz even agreed to settle with the British Government.

The money never went to Imran Khan and remains to this day in the Bank Account of Supreme Court of Pakistan from the time it was sent by British Government. The money was never used by Al-Qadir University and not meant for it.

If your objection is that daughter of Malik Riaz donated land as a bribe for Imran Khan Government to facilitate or reach a deal with the British Government, the land is for Al-Qadir University, Imran Khan or PTI still didn't benefit!​

If that is the correct timeline, then I will agree that there does not appear to be corruption committed. If the donation was before the NCA even obtained the £190m, then the donation could not have been to bribe Imran Khan and if the money went straight to the supreme court’s account then I can’t see any wrongdoing there either.

Thanks for correcting my understanding.

 

[LordJames]

If that is the correct timeline, then I will agree that there does not appear to be corruption committed. If the donation was before the NCA even obtained the £190m, then the donation could not have been to bribe Imran Khan and if the money went straight to the supreme court’s account then I can’t see any wrongdoing there either.

Thanks for correcting my understanding.

Al-Qadir Trust Case:

Just to add to the issue

Imran Khan or PTI has never been charged with embezzling or misappropriating 190 million from the British Government. That money has a clear money trail and sitting in the Bank Account of Supreme Court of Pakistan, no issues there.

The charges on Imran Khan are that he took land from (daughter of Malik Riaz) which was actually by Malik Riaz to facilitate a deal with the British Government aka "Quid pro quo". The military Government of Pakistan have put intense pressure on Malik Riaz to come to Pakistan OR testify against Imran Khan and affirm the "Quid pro quo" deal which Malik Riaz never did.

That (donated) land never benefited Imran Khan or PTI and there is Al-Qadir University standing on it and that is also clear. The is used by Al-Qadir University an run by a "Not for Profit" Trust known legally in Pakistan as a "Public Trust" and Imran Khan's wife is a Trustee.

1. Imran Khan is in Jail for facilitating a "Quid pro quo" land deal
2. Imran Khan's wife is in Jail for being a Trustee for Al-Qadir University which is built on land acquired via a "Quid pro quo" land deal

There is no actual proof of any corruption and Al-Qadir University (land, building, staff) are all run by a Public Trust and teaches poor students on Scholarship, from the Academic side the two American scholars involved were:

1. Yasir Qadhi
2. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf (consultant role)

Why did Malik Riaz (or his daughter donate the land)?

He is ashrewd businessman and his model is to develop land. He donated useless tract of land for a university to develop Road links so he can then develop a community around it. The land is literally in the middle of nowhere!

What is Imran Khan's biggest issue?

He is too trusting and too naive (even stupid)! Alarm bells should have gone in his head the minute Malik Riaz decided to donate anything

But then same Imran Khan gave extension to the Army Chief who did a coup against his Government

So Imran Khan is literally that stupid when it comes to people.

 

[Bewal Express]

Al-Qadir Trust Case:

Just to add to the issue

Imran Khan or PTI has never been charged with embezzling or misappropriating 190 million from the British Government. That money has a clear money trail and sitting in the Bank Account of Supreme Court of Pakistan, no issues there.

The charges on Imran Khan are that he took land from (daughter of Malik Riaz) which was actually by Malik Riaz to facilitate a deal with the British Government aka "Quid pro quo". The military Government of Pakistan have put intense pressure on Malik Riaz to come to Pakistan OR testify against Imran Khan and affirm the "Quid pro quo" deal which Malik Riaz never did.

That (donated) land never benefited Imran Khan or PTI and there is Al-Qadir University standing on it and that is also clear. The is used by Al-Qadir University an run by a "Not for Profit" Trust known legally in Pakistan as a "Public Trust" and Imran Khan's wife is a Trustee.

1. Imran Khan is in Jail for facilitating a "Quid pro quo" land deal
2. Imran Khan's wife is in Jail for being a Trustee for Al-Qadir University which is built on land acquired via a "Quid pro quo" land deal

There is no actual proof of any corruption and Al-Qadir University (land, building, staff) are all run by a Public Trust and teaches poor students on Scholarship, from the Academic side the two American scholars involved were:

1. Yasir Qadhi
2. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf (consultant role)

Why did Malik Riaz (or his daughter donate the land)?

He is ashrewd businessman and his model is to develop land. He donated useless tract of land for a university to develop Road links so he can then develop a community around it. The land is literally in the middle of nowhere!

What is Imran Khan's biggest issue?

He is too trusting and too naive (even stupid)! Alarm bells should have gone in his head the minute Malik Riaz decided to donate anything

But then same Imran Khan gave extension to the Army Chief who did a coup against his Government

So Imran Khan is literally that stupid when it comes to people.

The case is so weak that it took a judge that a SC verdict against him to convict. Then to avoid the appeal the Prosecutor claimed he needed more time and then the Judge run off and said he is going on holiday.
As you say- all the money is with the SC, the money belonged to MR based upon his agreement with NCA and no evidence has been offered on the contrary. IK or his family have not benefited and never will in any form. So where is the corruption

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Meanwhile the actions of current governments​

====

Opposition alliance urges CJP to act on Rs300bn sugar scandal​

The Tehreek Tahaffuz-e-Ain has written to Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Yahya Afridi, urging him to take suo motu notice of an alleged sugar industry scandal in which mills reportedly profited by Rs300 billion due to recent price fluctuations.Pakistan travel guide

In a letter addressed to the CJP, Vice Chairman Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar called for the formation of a commission under Article 184(3) of the Constitution to investigate suspected policy manipulation and regulatory failures.

Khokhar requested that the issue be urgently referred to a three-member committee or that the letter be treated as a formal petition to initiate judicial proceedings.

"The future of the country's economic stability and citizens’ trust in governance hinges on prompt and decisive action," the letter added.

It further highlighted that the Public Accounts Committee was informed on Tuesday, July 29, that sugar mills had earned Rs300 billion through recent rate hikes.

CCP reschedules hearing

The Competition Commission of Pakistan (CCP) has postponed the hearing of the sugar cartel case after over 70 sugar mills requested a delay, citing the unavailability of legal counsel due to the Supreme Court’s summer recess.


In a statement issued on Monday, the CCP announced that the hearing will now take place from September 22 to 25. The decision follows multiple adjournment pleas submitted by sugar mills.

More than 50 mills have also filed appeals in the Supreme Court challenging the tribunal’s decision directing the CCP to rehear the case.

The commission clarified that the hearing has been deferred once to fulfil the requirements of a fair trial. However, it emphasised that no further delay or adjournment would be granted.Pakistan travel guide

The CCP stated that the case proceedings will be conducted daily.

Read: CCP to hear sugar pricing case today

Earlier in May, the Competition Appellate Tribunal had returned the case to the CCP for rehearing after announcing its verdict on the appeals filed by the sugar mills and the association against a Rs44b fine.

The tribunal instructed that the case be reheard under the supervision of the CCP chairperson or any other member who was not previously involved in the hearings.

The tribunal also ordered the commission to complete the rehearing and issue a verdict within 90 days.

In 2021, the CCP imposed a Rs44 billion fine on the PSMA and its member mills for forming a cartel to fix sugar prices and engaging in other anti-competitive practices

Source: The Express Tribune

 

[LordJames]

Meanwhile the actions of current governments​

====

Opposition alliance urges CJP to act on Rs300bn sugar scandal​

The Tehreek Tahaffuz-e-Ain has written to Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Yahya Afridi, urging him to take suo motu notice of an alleged sugar industry scandal in which mills reportedly profited by Rs300 billion due to recent price fluctuations.Pakistan travel guide

In a letter addressed to the CJP, Vice Chairman Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar called for the formation of a commission under Article 184(3) of the Constitution to investigate suspected policy manipulation and regulatory failures.

Khokhar requested that the issue be urgently referred to a three-member committee or that the letter be treated as a formal petition to initiate judicial proceedings.

"The future of the country's economic stability and citizens’ trust in governance hinges on prompt and decisive action," the letter added.

It further highlighted that the Public Accounts Committee was informed on Tuesday, July 29, that sugar mills had earned Rs300 billion through recent rate hikes.

CCP reschedules hearing

The Competition Commission of Pakistan (CCP) has postponed the hearing of the sugar cartel case after over 70 sugar mills requested a delay, citing the unavailability of legal counsel due to the Supreme Court’s summer recess.


In a statement issued on Monday, the CCP announced that the hearing will now take place from September 22 to 25. The decision follows multiple adjournment pleas submitted by sugar mills.

More than 50 mills have also filed appeals in the Supreme Court challenging the tribunal’s decision directing the CCP to rehear the case.

The commission clarified that the hearing has been deferred once to fulfil the requirements of a fair trial. However, it emphasised that no further delay or adjournment would be granted.Pakistan travel guide

The CCP stated that the case proceedings will be conducted daily.

Read: CCP to hear sugar pricing case today

Earlier in May, the Competition Appellate Tribunal had returned the case to the CCP for rehearing after announcing its verdict on the appeals filed by the sugar mills and the association against a Rs44b fine.

The tribunal instructed that the case be reheard under the supervision of the CCP chairperson or any other member who was not previously involved in the hearings.

The tribunal also ordered the commission to complete the rehearing and issue a verdict within 90 days.

In 2021, the CCP imposed a Rs44 billion fine on the PSMA and its member mills for forming a cartel to fix sugar prices and engaging in other anti-competitive practices

Source: The Express Tribune

Meanwhile

Imran Khan nominated Dr Arif Alvi to be president of Pakistan, a Dentist who went back to being a Dentist at the end of his term.

Those who think Imran Khan is corrupt have Asif Ali Zardari as President, let me post a huge picture so you can enjoy your achievement!

 

[Major]

Yara, mayree candid photo layna. Asa lagay kay sub nromal hai, koi security wala koi nahi, aur meh ider bench per sora hun. Photo layker phir Rawal Lounge mein jakar aram kartay.

But sir, woh table hai hai and sat apkay priority sitting.

Tou? meh president hun, table per pao rakh sakta hun.

 

[LordJames]

Yara, mayree candid photo layna. Asa lagay kay sub nromal hai, koi security wala koi nahi, aur meh ider bench per sora hun. Photo layker phir Rawal Lounge mein jakar aram kartay.

But sir, woh table hai hai and sat apkay priority sitting.

Tou? meh president hun, table per pao rakh sakta hun.

View attachment 156594

Corruption?

I believe you to be a good, honest, and truthful person.

Now, please go ahead and state—clearly—that you believe Dr. Arif Alvi is more corrupt than Asif Ali Zardari. I won’t respond, argue, or object. I’ll simply leave you to your own thinking.

But if, deep down, you know you can’t say that in good conscience—and you believe Zardari to be the more corrupt of the two—then I’ll leave you to wrestle with your own sense of morality.

Either way, let’s see if you reply.

​

I dont care what any religion says, in our culture this is low and pathetic.

Still don't know your religion and your culture which you believe to be superior to your religion.

Thanks

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Dimmy supporters never cease to make me laugh. The guy is a Grade A hypocrite. He shameless recruited morons like Sheikh Rasheed after swearing to never ally with him. Sucked up to Nawaz and Zardari when it suited him and then started slandering them. He even insulted patriots. Womanised and impregnated half of Bollywood and then tells youth that it is bad influence and haram. Shameless cretin on top of being a megalomaniac, corrupt, criminal.

 

[LordJames]

Dimmy supporters never cease to make me laugh. The guy is a Grade A hypocrite. He shameless recruited morons like Sheikh Rasheed after swearing to never ally with him. Sucked up to Nawaz and Zardari when it suited him and then started slandering them. He even insulted patriots. Womanised and impregnated half of Bollywood and then tells youth that it is bad influence and haram. Shameless cretin on top of being a megalomaniac, corrupt, criminal.

Do you want to discuss what you posted from an Islamic or Secular/liberal point of view? What is your basis of discussion, Islam or otherwise?

Thanks​

 

[Extra_Cover]

Dimmy supporters never cease to make me laugh. The guy is a Grade A hypocrite. He shameless recruited morons like Sheikh Rasheed after swearing to never ally with him. Sucked up to Nawaz and Zardari when it suited him and then started slandering them. He even insulted patriots. Womanised and impregnated half of Bollywood and then tells youth that it is bad influence and haram. Shameless cretin on top of being a megalomaniac, corrupt, criminal.

In a thread where the purpose is to have a debate based on facts, public information or evidence you come up with a post like that!

I'm a supporter of Imran Khan but I'm a bigger supporter of sanity. My friend don't be blinded by hatred. The moment in life when you actually try to listen and understand someone else's perspective you'd have clarity of the situation, this doesn't just apply here but to all aspects of life. Last thing, please never lie.

 

[Bewal Express]

Meanwhile the actions of current governments​

====

Opposition alliance urges CJP to act on Rs300bn sugar scandal​

The Tehreek Tahaffuz-e-Ain has written to Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Yahya Afridi, urging him to take suo motu notice of an alleged sugar industry scandal in which mills reportedly profited by Rs300 billion due to recent price fluctuations.Pakistan travel guide

In a letter addressed to the CJP, Vice Chairman Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar called for the formation of a commission under Article 184(3) of the Constitution to investigate suspected policy manipulation and regulatory failures.

Khokhar requested that the issue be urgently referred to a three-member committee or that the letter be treated as a formal petition to initiate judicial proceedings.

"The future of the country's economic stability and citizens’ trust in governance hinges on prompt and decisive action," the letter added.

It further highlighted that the Public Accounts Committee was informed on Tuesday, July 29, that sugar mills had earned Rs300 billion through recent rate hikes.

CCP reschedules hearing

The Competition Commission of Pakistan (CCP) has postponed the hearing of the sugar cartel case after over 70 sugar mills requested a delay, citing the unavailability of legal counsel due to the Supreme Court’s summer recess.


In a statement issued on Monday, the CCP announced that the hearing will now take place from September 22 to 25. The decision follows multiple adjournment pleas submitted by sugar mills.

More than 50 mills have also filed appeals in the Supreme Court challenging the tribunal’s decision directing the CCP to rehear the case.

The commission clarified that the hearing has been deferred once to fulfil the requirements of a fair trial. However, it emphasised that no further delay or adjournment would be granted.Pakistan travel guide

The CCP stated that the case proceedings will be conducted daily.

Read: CCP to hear sugar pricing case today

Earlier in May, the Competition Appellate Tribunal had returned the case to the CCP for rehearing after announcing its verdict on the appeals filed by the sugar mills and the association against a Rs44b fine.

The tribunal instructed that the case be reheard under the supervision of the CCP chairperson or any other member who was not previously involved in the hearings.

The tribunal also ordered the commission to complete the rehearing and issue a verdict within 90 days.

In 2021, the CCP imposed a Rs44 billion fine on the PSMA and its member mills for forming a cartel to fix sugar prices and engaging in other anti-competitive practices

Source: The Express Tribune

@emranabbas
As you are the sugar expert and also a renowned economist. Please explain this scandal and also why PKs are paying 180 rps per KG.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Do you want to discuss what you posted from an Islamic or Secular/liberal point of view? What is your basis of discussion, Islam or otherwise?

Thanks​

Take your pick. IK is all of those things by any standard.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

In a thread where the purpose is to have a debate based on facts, public information or evidence you come up with a post like that!

I'm a supporter of Imran Khan but I'm a bigger supporter of sanity. My friend don't be blinded by hatred. The moment in life when you actually try to listen and understand someone else's perspective you'd have clarity of the situation, this doesn't just apply here but to all aspects of life. Last thing, please never lie.

Where are the lies? What is not true there about the corrupt, womanising, megalomaniac?

 

[Extra_Cover]

Where are the lies? What is not true there about the corrupt, womanising, megalomaniac?

Brother, I have read your posts, I'm an old member of this forum now so I'm not going to engage in meaningless discussion. If you look through my posting history I only like to engage in discussions in a constructive manner only.

As a Pakistani the only thing I would be concerned here would be that he is corrupt. Even in corruption the financial corruption is something that would matter to me. Anyone being morally corrupt or ethically corrupt carries implications but does not directly impact the general public at large.

I assume you have accused him of being financially corrupt then. First thing if someone is financially corrupt then you'd assume he is a rich individual. As a wealthy individual a person would normally not keep just cash in banks the person would be investing in private equity, real estate or any other form of asset. In the case of Imran Khan, a weird case study already, where we have over 200+ cases lodged against him why isn't there a case that FBR has recovered $X from IK's bank account or XYZ property of IK has been seized due to illegal dealings? We all know the current government similar to yourself hate IK to the core so such tactics would be very normal but this hasn't come about. Perhaps you can shed some more light as to why you have accused IK of being corrupt.

 

[LordJames]

Take your pick. IK is all of those things by any standard.

Brother,

It doesn't work like that. We are not Hindutva who simply lie and lie and lie and there is no reason for any of us to hate/dislike each other simply because of political opinion.

A Muslim is honest and truthful in all matters, we don't lie and we don't cheat and we don't deceive.

First of all Imran Khan has never been corrupt and never done any financial embezzlement, if you have any evidence of that please present it.

When it comes to Imran Khan, nobody is denying his past life, his sins, his playboy lifestyle. Then you can only look at the issue from two angles:​

1. Secular/Liberal: If you use this method then Imran Khan's personal life doesn't matter and it is nobody's concern and it does not matter whether he was sleeping around or not.​
2. Islamic: If you use this method then lets proceed.​

First of all who is denying or hiding that he was a "playboy", he admitted it himself in an Interview. As a Muslim what is your point???

Are you saying that someone who commits a sin is forever gone? Where did you get this idea from when Allah Ta'ala says that Allah Ta'ala forgives sins.

[39:53] Say, ˹O Prophet, that Allah says,˺ “O My servants who have exceeded the limits against their souls! Do not lose hope in Allah’s mercy, for Allah certainly forgives all sins. He is indeed the All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

As I have asked @Major @emranabbas and @Mamoon and now @RizwanT20Champ, are you taunting a person based on their past life?

The Prophet ﷺ warned: “Whoever taunts a Muslim for a sin he has repented from will not die until he commits it himself.” — [Tirmidhi]

This isn't about Imran Khan, its about any and every Muslim you are not permitted to taunt people about their past life and this is not an advice this for your own sake and for your life, the warning for this taunting is extremely severe.

As I said, there are plenty of members of this forum who have indicated that they committed sins or were not following Islam should we taunt them and "label" them as such for the rest of their lives?

Is this what Islam or "culture" taught? And once again, this isn't about Imran Khan its about general behavior in life? Do people in Pakistan taunt and humiliate and disrespect people on their past mistakes (and sins)? If this is behavior of Pakistani people then it is bad attitude! Let me be clear, this is about a mistake (or sin) which the person committed and is no longer doing so.

I refuse to believe that people in Pakistan disrespect and humiliate people when their marriage ends in a divorce etc.

Islam does not teach this attitude.

I hope that the culture of Pakistan does not teach this attitude.

Let me end by saying, prove corruption and financial embezzlement and theft of Imran Khan, what did he do?

I hope that unlike Hindutva Sanghees, Muslims of Pakistan can have a polite, courteous discussion on a topic. Are you seriously saying that when it comes to corruption Asif Ali Zardari is better then Imran Khan???
​

Where are the lies? What is not true there about the corrupt, womanising, megalomaniac?

Provide evidence of corruption.

Imran Khan was a womanizer.

Is being a megalomaniac a crime? Was Yahya Khan, Ziaul-Haq, Musharraf, Bajwa and now Asim Munir not?

 

[Red-Indian]

Al-Qadir Trust Case:

Just to add to the issue

Imran Khan or PTI has never been charged with embezzling or misappropriating 190 million from the British Government. That money has a clear money trail and sitting in the Bank Account of Supreme Court of Pakistan, no issues there.

The charges on Imran Khan are that he took land from (daughter of Malik Riaz) which was actually by Malik Riaz to facilitate a deal with the British Government aka "Quid pro quo". The military Government of Pakistan have put intense pressure on Malik Riaz to come to Pakistan OR testify against Imran Khan and affirm the "Quid pro quo" deal which Malik Riaz never did.

That (donated) land never benefited Imran Khan or PTI and there is Al-Qadir University standing on it and that is also clear. The is used by Al-Qadir University an run by a "Not for Profit" Trust known legally in Pakistan as a "Public Trust" and Imran Khan's wife is a Trustee.

1. Imran Khan is in Jail for facilitating a "Quid pro quo" land deal
2. Imran Khan's wife is in Jail for being a Trustee for Al-Qadir University which is built on land acquired via a "Quid pro quo" land deal

There is no actual proof of any corruption and Al-Qadir University (land, building, staff) are all run by a Public Trust and teaches poor students on Scholarship, from the Academic side the two American scholars involved were:

1. Yasir Qadhi
2. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf (consultant role)

Why did Malik Riaz (or his daughter donate the land)?

He is ashrewd businessman and his model is to develop land. He donated useless tract of land for a university to develop Road links so he can then develop a community around it. The land is literally in the middle of nowhere!

What is Imran Khan's biggest issue?

He is too trusting and too naive (even stupid)! Alarm bells should have gone in his head the minute Malik Riaz decided to donate anything

But then same Imran Khan gave extension to the Army Chief who did a coup against his Government

So Imran Khan is literally that stupid when it comes to people.

While I have no real bone to pick against Imran Khan and believe he should be Prime Minister of Pakistan, I find the above a very specious argument and allowing too much benefit of doubt to a developing country politician.

It's tough to credit Imran Khan with as much innocence as you seem to potray

- Per your own timeline, Malik Riaz had been convicted and levied with a massive fine by the Pakistan Supreme court as well was under intense investigations in the UK by 2018. It was pretty clear that he was extremely corrupt
- However, in 2019 Imran Khan's Trust in which his own wife was a trustee accepted a huge donation from this convict
- What followed subsequently is that the Pakistani State of which Imran Khan was Prime Minister treated Malik Riaz very leniently

Whether this circumstantial evidence is enough to convict of corruption is something for the courts to decide but it does smell wrong.

You make it seem like he was simply naive to trust and accept the funds in a noble cause. That's a real reach if you're being honest. No completely straight politician would accept such a donation. Aside from whether it was a bribe, there is simply the fact that honest politicians have to follow the 'Caesar's wife' principle in these matters.

That said, I agree the corruption was not at the scale at which typical subcontinent politicians deal. Imran Khan seems corrupt but at a slightly lower level and better intentioned than his opponents. I see why he's preferred given the choices. However, it would be better to do it with open eyes.

 

[Bewal Express]

While I have no real bone to pick against Imran Khan and believe he should be Prime Minister of Pakistan, I find the above a very specious argument and allowing too much benefit of doubt to a developing country politician.

It's tough to credit Imran Khan with as much innocence as you seem to potray

- Per your own timeline, Malik Riaz had been convicted and levied with a massive fine by the Pakistan Supreme court as well was under intense investigations in the UK by 2018. It was pretty clear that he was extremely corrupt
- However, in 2019 Imran Khan's Trust in which his own wife was a trustee accepted a huge donation from this convict
- What followed subsequently is that the Pakistani State of which Imran Khan was Prime Minister treated Malik Riaz very leniently

Whether this circumstantial evidence is enough to convict of corruption is something for the courts to decide but it does smell wrong.

You make it seem like he was simply naive to trust and accept the funds in a noble cause. That's a real reach if you're being honest. No completely straight politician would accept such a donation. Aside from whether it was a bribe, there is simply the fact that honest politicians have to follow the 'Caesar's wife' principle in these matters.

That said, I agree the corruption was not at the scale at which typical subcontinent politicians deal. Imran Khan seems corrupt but at a slightly lower level and better intentioned than his opponents. I see why he's preferred given the choices. However, it would be better to do it with open eyes.

For there to be corruption IK had to either benefit personally, his wife or family had to benefit, or if there is any Pro quid Quo. There was nothing and the University was placed in trust just like SKMH and all the other hospitals. If no personal benefit cant be gained in any way or form then there is no corruption.

 

[LordJames]

While I have no real bone to pick against Imran Khan and believe he should be Prime Minister of Pakistan, I find the above a very specious argument and allowing too much benefit of doubt to a developing country politician.

It's tough to credit Imran Khan with as much innocence as you seem to potray

- Per your own timeline, Malik Riaz had been convicted and levied with a massive fine by the Pakistan Supreme court as well was under intense investigations in the UK by 2018. It was pretty clear that he was extremely corrupt
- However, in 2019 Imran Khan's Trust in which his own wife was a trustee accepted a huge donation from this convict
- What followed subsequently is that the Pakistani State of which Imran Khan was Prime Minister treated Malik Riaz very leniently

Whether this circumstantial evidence is enough to convict of corruption is something for the courts to decide but it does smell wrong.

You make it seem like he was simply naive to trust and accept the funds in a noble cause. That's a real reach if you're being honest. No completely straight politician would accept such a donation. Aside from whether it was a bribe, there is simply the fact that honest politicians have to follow the 'Caesar's wife' principle in these matters.

That said, I agree the corruption was not at the scale at which typical subcontinent politicians deal. Imran Khan seems corrupt but at a slightly lower level and better intentioned than his opponents. I see why he's preferred given the choices. However, it would be better to do it with open eyes.

Brother,

I appreciate your engagement on the topic.

Lets take it step by step.

1. Imran Khan never embezzled any money 190 million or otherwise and that money was sent from British Government directly into Bank Account of Pakistan Supreme Court, let me know if you have a disagreement.​
2. The land was donated by (daughter of) Malik Riaz and not Malik Riaz for a charitable project to build a university in an improvised area of Pakistan. Imran Khan did the groundbreaking ceremony of the Al-Qadir University on May 05, 2019 so lets make an assumption that the land donation must have been agreed months ago.​
3. Imran Khan was Prime Minister between 13 August 2018 – 21 October 2022​
4. For all the years before Imran Khan became PM (until ground breaking) Malik Riaz was a legitimate businessman, legally resident and lawfully conducting business in Pakistan so legally no issues with philantrophic donation and no law was broken.​

Lets now go to the next step.

1. The donated land has been converted into Al-Qadir University and does not benefit Imran Khan or PTI and it has been legally handled
2. Imran Khan's wife is a "silent Trustee" of Al-Qadir University and there is no evidence of any financial gain or otherwise.

Having analysed your post, it appears that you are accusing Imran Khan of a "bad judgement call" instead of corruption and in that case I ask you.

Do you know about the history of Pakistan, its leaders and military? A person built a charitable hospital and a charitable university and all you have is "bad judgement" and no actual corruption or illegal actvities?

"Imran Khan" isn't Messiah or a Prophet or a Saint but if that is all you have on him that he is a "bad judge of character" then people of Pakistan will take it.

I am not going to argue with your opinion, in fact Imran Khan made worst mistakes when it comes to judgeing characters.
​

For there to be corruption IK had to either benefit personally, his wife or family had to benefit, or if there is any Pro quid Quo. There was nothing and the University was placed in trust just like SKMH and all the other hospitals. If no personal benefit cant be gained in any way or form then there is no corruption.

Agreed, so far no evidence has been provided of corruption or illegal activties.

 

[LordJames]

Corruption of Bhutto Dynasty and Auranzeb Alamgir

Dear Brother @emranabbas,

Disclaimer: I am not judging someone's Islam but simply bringing to your attention what has been written long before Imran Khan about the nature, the past and machinations of the Bhutto dynasty.

I believe that you have asked a question in another thread, let me respond to you here and this has nothing do with Imran Khan.

Renowned American Historian Stanley Albert Wolpert has written a book called Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan: His Life and Times and you can read it online here, in Chapter 1 on page 8 he writes

Sindh means “river,” named for its Indus lifeline. The Bhuttos migrated to Sindh in search of water, leaving their parched Rajputana desert homes farther east, in what is now India’s Rajasthan, near the dawn of the eighteenth century. Zulfi’s paternal ancestors had before his clan’s long trek been Hindu Rajputs, but during the seventeenth century Central Asia’s great Mughals conquered virtually all of India, and many Rajput warriors, like Zulfi’s progenitor, Sheto, converted to Islam, reaping a harvest of tax exemptions and other benefits from the devout Mughal Padishah (Emperor) Aurangzeb (r. 1658-1707) and his Muslim amirs, and claiming for himself, as clan leader, the regal title of khan. ​

@Major @Mamoon @KingKhanWC @Bewal Express @RizwanT20Champ @Extra_Cover @aboveandbeyond

Thanks everyone for continuing to engage in a polite and courteous discussion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Corruption of Bhutto Dynasty and Auranzeb Alamgir

Dear Brother @emranabbas,

Disclaimer: I am not judging someone's Islam but simply bringing to your attention what has been written long before Imran Khan about the nature, the past and machinations of the Bhutto dynasty.

I believe that you have asked a question in another thread, let me respond to you here and this has nothing do with Imran Khan.

Renowned American Historian Stanley Albert Wolpert has written a book called Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan: His Life and Times and you can read it online here, in Chapter 1 on page 8 he writes

Sindh means “river,” named for its Indus lifeline. The Bhuttos migrated to Sindh in search of water, leaving their parched Rajputana desert homes farther east, in what is now India’s Rajasthan, near the dawn of the eighteenth century. Zulfi’s paternal ancestors had before his clan’s long trek been Hindu Rajputs, but during the seventeenth century Central Asia’s great Mughals conquered virtually all of India, and many Rajput warriors, like Zulfi’s progenitor, Sheto, converted to Islam, reaping a harvest of tax exemptions and other benefits from the devout Mughal Padishah (Emperor) Aurangzeb (r. 1658-1707) and his Muslim amirs, and claiming for himself, as clan leader, the regal title of khan. ​

@Major @Mamoon @KingKhanWC @Bewal Express @RizwanT20Champ @Extra_Cover @aboveandbeyond

Thanks everyone for continuing to engage in a polite and courteous discussion.

Thanks. According to your knowledge, is there a historic link between Mughals and todays corruption we see in the sub continent. Of course all groups have been corrupt from time to time but this caste type system of Chaudrays, Maliks etc , has existed for a long period, was this system a perfect system for corruption to thrive for such people?

 

[Bewal Express]

Brother,

I appreciate your engagement on the topic.

Lets take it step by step.

1. Imran Khan never embezzled any money 190 million or otherwise and that money was sent from British Government directly into Bank Account of Pakistan Supreme Court, let me know if you have a disagreement.​
2. The land was donated by (daughter of) Malik Riaz and not Malik Riaz for a charitable project to build a university in an improvised area of Pakistan. Imran Khan did the groundbreaking ceremony of the Al-Qadir University on May 05, 2019 so lets make an assumption that the land donation must have been agreed months ago.​
3. Imran Khan was Prime Minister between 13 August 2018 – 21 October 2022​
4. For all the years before Imran Khan became PM (until ground breaking) Malik Riaz was a legitimate businessman, legally resident and lawfully conducting business in Pakistan so legally no issues with philantrophic donation and no law was broken.​

Lets now go to the next step.

1. The donated land has been converted into Al-Qadir University and does not benefit Imran Khan or PTI and it has been legally handled
2. Imran Khan's wife is a "silent Trustee" of Al-Qadir University and there is no evidence of any financial gain or otherwise.

Having analysed your post, it appears that you are accusing Imran Khan of a "bad judgement call" instead of corruption and in that case I ask you.

Do you know about the history of Pakistan, its leaders and military? A person built a charitable hospital and a charitable university and all you have is "bad judgement" and no actual corruption or illegal actvities?

"Imran Khan" isn't Messiah or a Prophet or a Saint but if that is all you have on him that he is a "bad judge of character" then people of Pakistan will take it.

I am not going to argue with your opinion, in fact Imran Khan made worst mistakes when it comes to judgeing characters.
​

Agreed, so far no evidence has been provided of corruption or illegal activties.

IK has made many errors and I agree he has this idea that everyone wants the best for PK like he does. The problem is they dont. Munir has shown that he is quite happy to sell PK to stay in power.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

IK has made many errors and I agree he has this idea that everyone wants the best for PK like he does. The problem is they dont. Munir has shown that he is quite happy to sell PK to stay in power.

Bewal, last warning - do not insult patriots. Talk about Dimmy.

 

[LordJames]

Thanks. According to your knowledge, is there a historic link between Mughals and todays corruption we see in the sub continent. Of course all groups have been corrupt from time to time but this caste type system of Chaudrays, Maliks etc , has existed for a long period, was this system a perfect system for corruption to thrive for such people?

Absolutely!

Mughuls and also British colonialism both granted land titles etc for loyalty and patronage. Most of the prominent families in Pakistan are traitors to Islam and Muslims yet own huge swaths of land and their kids study in the west and rule over the majority Pakistani population.

Don't forget that Pakistan still remains a largely illiterate and ignorant society and people of Pakistan are taken advantage of by:​

1. Feudal landlords: This requires a thread on its own.​
2. Corrupt Politicians: No explanation needed.​
3. Corrupt Mullahs and their Islamic Institutions: There is no audit or records or how these gigantic and grand Institutions are built in Pakistan, most of these "Pietro-Dollars" poured into Pakistan during Soviet-war and "Madrasah" mushroomed. That's why there are so many YouTube channels in Pakistan based on sects and ideologies of Islam.​
4. Pakistan Military officers: The composition of (both Indian and Pakistani) military does not conform to modern Western armies and Junior commissioned officers take charge when in the west it is down to NCOs. These junior officers study in "English Medium Schools" which majority of Pakistanees cannot access, they study in Madrasah or "Urdu Medium Schools" and then upon graduating these officers rule the country with an iron-fist and rob it blind as they rise up the ranks. We can have a discussion with someone like @ElRaja about the role of NCOs vs JCO in Pakistan Army (versus the west)​

@Major @Mamoon, @RizwanT20Champ and @emranabbas are probably all very well aware of points 3 & 4.

The "Mullah-Military" nexus keeps on robbing Pakistan and people loyally keep on defending both in the name of "Islam" and "Patriotism"

Imran Khan lived a sinful life but even in the 1980s he was talking about leveling the educational playing field of Pakistan to enable all Pakistani children to sit elite Exams (for civil Service and military). The day educational field is leveled in Pakistan, these elites who have been sucking the blood of Muslims will no longer be led like sheep either by Mullah, Politicians or Military.​

Bewal, last warning - do not insult patriots. Talk about Dimmy.

1. Were Ayub Khan and Yahya Khan patriots who presided over the breakup of Pakistan?
2. Was Zaiul-Haq a Patriot who dismantled political Institutions and hung on to power?
3. Was Musharraf a Patriot who truned "Afghan Policy" on its head and the price of which Pakistan is continuing to pay?

Please talk about Imran Khan, provide evidence of Imran Khan's corruption.

Thanks

 

[Bewal Express]

Bewal, last warning - do not insult patriots. Talk about Dimmy.

And who the hell are you. Get back into your rabbit hole at RSS

 

[psyoptica]

And who the hell are you. Get back into your rabbit hole at RSS

These guys have been taught all their life to kiss the backside of the powerful ones and get favours. It's not love for the country, it's about status and money.

 

[Bewal Express]

These guys have been taught all their life to kiss the backside of the powerful ones and get favours. It's not love for the country, it's about status and money.

Absolutely. We have an RSS clown trying to troll and we have the Freshie( his words not mine) telling PKs in the UK that you cant comment and to do this he has run to the UK to work in Leisure centre.

 

[psyoptica]

Absolutely. We have an RSS clown trying to troll and we have the Freshie( his words not mine) telling PKs in the UK that you cant comment and to do this he has run to the UK to work in Leisure centre.

Did you notice how all the supporters of the corrupt mafia work in unison and have the same thought process? Like to the t. If the word "hypocrite" were to be re written in the dictionary, these guys could be used as examples.

Everything they preach others, they do they complete opposite of in their practical lives.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

@LordJames has them on the run. They have virtually no answer to his input.

 

[LordJames]

@LordJames has them on the run. They have virtually no answer to his input.

I dont care what any religion says, in our culture this is low and pathetic.

Why does Pakistan’s elite hate Imran Khan?

Veteran journalist Haroon ur Rasheed once shared a revealing moment with a respected, practicing feudal politician. While sitting in the back of a car, he asked:

“Haji Sahib, you know Imran Khan is honest. Why do you oppose him when you’re known for your integrity and honesty?”

Pointing to the driver, the politician replied:

“If his son becomes a doctor, do you think he could marry my daughter?”

Haroon responded: “If he’s a good man, Islam allows it. What’s wrong with that?”

The politician snapped back:

“This isn’t about Islam. In our culture, a Kammi-Kameen (low-born) remains a Kammi-Kameen (low-born). Imran Khan wants to destroy this system.”​

 

[mazkhan]

Only imran khan isn't a low born he is from one tribe who were in the led the charge the armies of the dehli sultanate, and provided troops for ahmad shah abdali the NIAZIS.

His mother is burki an equally warrior tribe from afghanistan / waziristan who held many forts and villages in Punjab and India.

He himself went to aitchinson

And married into the goldsmith rothschild dynasty two powerful banking families and zionists and pioneers of israel .

 

[LordJames]

Only imran khan isn't a low born he is from one tribe who were in the led the charge the armies of the dehli sultanate, and provided troops for ahmad shah abdali the NIAZIS.

His mother is burki an equally warrior tribe from afghanistan / waziristan who held many forts and villages in Punjab and India.

He himself went to aitchinson

And married into the goldsmith rothschild dynasty two powerful banking families and zionists and pioneers of israel .

That's not what is being said.

Post in thread 'In-Depth Analysis of Corruption and Other Legal Charges Against Imran Khan'

Aug 5, 2025

@LordJames has them on the run. They have virtually no answer to his input.

I dont care what any religion says, in our culture this is low and pathetic.

Why does Pakistan’s elite hate Imran Khan?

Veteran journalist Haroon ur Rasheed once shared a revealing moment with a respected, practicing feudal politician. While sitting in the back of a car, he asked:

“Haji Sahib, you know Imran Khan is honest. Why do you oppose him when you’re known for your integrity and honesty?”

Pointing to the driver, the politician replied:

“If his son...​

• LordJames

 

[Major]

I like how no one cares about the posts made from chat gpt

 

[psyoptica]

I like how no one cares about the posts made from chat gpt

Whats wrong with chatgpt?

 

[Major]

Whats wrong with chatgpt?

The fact that a person himself knows nothing and makes a thread on a so called in depth analysis and than asks AI to make the analysis for him.

plus, chat gpt can spin a narrative in anyones favor.

if you want to make a thread, have a discussion, call your post an analysis atleast make your own post, give your own opinion.

Relying on chatgpt just shows that a person doesnt know the topic and for conformity bias relies on ai to make posts.

Usually, such threads are merged with the already existing threads, but cause the team members like the traitor, so the same topic thread is allowed on him.

Atleast to make exceptions, maybe ask the OP to make his own post or give his own analysis..

 

[psyoptica]

The fact that a person himself knows nothing and makes a thread on a so called in depth analysis and than asks AI to make the analysis for him.

plus, chat gpt can spin a narrative in anyones favor.

if you want to make a thread, have a discussion, call your post an analysis atleast make your own post, give your own opinion.

Relying on chatgpt just shows that a person doesnt know the topic and for conformity bias relies on ai to make posts.

Usually, such threads are merged with the already existing threads, but cause the team members like the traitor, so the same topic thread is allowed on him.

Atleast to make exceptions, maybe ask the OP to make his own post or give his own analysis..

Ok fair enough

 

[LordJames]

I like how no one cares about the posts made from chat gpt

The fact that a person himself knows nothing and makes a thread on a so called in depth analysis and than asks AI to make the analysis for him.

plus, chat gpt can spin a narrative in anyones favor.

if you want to make a thread, have a discussion, call your post an analysis atleast make your own post, give your own opinion.

Relying on chatgpt just shows that a person doesnt know the topic and for conformity bias relies on ai to make posts.

Usually, such threads are merged with the already existing threads, but cause the team members like the traitor, so the same topic thread is allowed on him.

Atleast to make exceptions, maybe ask the OP to make his own post or give his own analysis..

The content has been written by me and then formatted using AI, the information does not come from AI but lets not argue about it.

As previously written, please use ChatGPT or any other AI tool at your disposal to provide evidence the corruption of Imran Khan.

Please, go ahead.

Thanks

I dont care what any religion says, in our culture this is low and pathetic.

Asking for the 3rd time without AI, please let me know your religion and your culture and why you think that your culture is superior your religion, appreciate your time.

Thanks

 

[Patriot]

For there to be corruption IK had to either benefit personally, his wife or family had to benefit, or if there is any Pro quid Quo. There was nothing and the University was placed in trust just like SKMH and all the other hospitals. If no personal benefit cant be gained in any way or form then there is no corruption.

That is not necessarily true. Ignore that this is about Imran Khan for a moment. If you take money which does not benefit you but it benefits someone else, it is unethical.

For example, foreign aid comes in to build a dam. The government gives the contract to build the dam to a company and a few months later the company donates new building to the government which is used to provide healthcare workers training when dealing with newborns. On the face of it, the government directly did not benefit, however the company benefitted by getting the contract in return for a favour to the government and despite it providing a benefit to the public, this is unethical. If there had been real competition, another company may have won the contract and built a more cheaper, sustainable, efficient dam compared with what the company has built.

However, I have looked at the Imran Khan case in more detail based on what you said in a different thread and what Lord James has said and it looks like the donation was before the NCA ordered settlement of £190m, so it becomes unlikely that a deal was made.

But I still think the whole thing was handled badly. I have read (correct me if I’m wrong), the PTI cabinet approved the transfer of the £190m to the Supreme Court and to not send it to the treasury but this is based on testimony of PTI Cabinet members. I understand that since this is Pakistan, they could have been coerced. However, no evidence has been presented of documents where the Cabinet signed/approved the transfer to the Supreme Court.

 

[Patriot]

My other issues with Imran are minor but they still create an image of someone who should not be blindly followed like some people do.

I accept that we all do wrong and commit sin and in his past he has done the same. However, not acknowledging his daughter is wrong in my opinion. Regardless of public opinion, he should have accepted her.

Imran brought in tried and tested failures to his party who have switched allegiances in the past and are from other corrupt parties that have never helped Pakistan. He should have used honest unknowns and built them up. However, again I acknowledge that if he did this properly, he would most likely never have become Prime Minister.

He has slandered other politicians openly. I get that they are corrupt and have only benefited themselves but that is not how you play the game. You should be seen to be above all that and not let your emotions run wild.

The protests are fine but when you block the public from going about their day to day lives and cause disruption, that is a problem.

However, having said all this, I still think if Imran had been a dictator and ruled Pakistan stably without disruption for a decent time, I think he could have made improvements and Pakistan would have been in a better state. I agree with another poster who said that long term stability despite pockets of corruption is good for the country.

I am skeptical but I hope the current government with General Asim Munir leading behind the scenes proves to be good for the country with stability. I’m no fan of military rule and believe that the military should report to the civilian government but I sincerely want Pakistan to do well even under people I’m no fan of and Asim Munir comes from a humble background and my family in Pakistan tells me he is decent person, so I hope they are right.

 

[Patriot]

I also feel there is something off about Imran’s wife and her family. I completely disagree about slandering her in terms of the marriage issue. However, Islamically, a man should not follow a female as a spiritual leader. This does not sit right with me. Furthermore, is it true that her son has benefited from being related to the Prime Minister?

 

[Bewal Express]

Did you notice how all the supporters of the corrupt mafia work in unison and have the same thought process? Like to the t. If the word "hypocrite" were to be re written in the dictionary, these guys could be used as examples.

Everything they preach others, they do they complete opposite of in their practical lives.

That's i am so unforgiving with my language.

 

[Bewal Express]

I also feel there is something off about Imran’s wife and her family. I completely disagree about slandering her in terms of the marriage issue. However, Islamically, a man should not follow a female as a spiritual leader. This does not sit right with me. Furthermore, is it true that her son has benefited from being related to the Prime Minister?

That's fine and that's your opinion. The wife wasnt corrupt and has stood by him under the greatest pressure and torture. I am not into Pir thing but she showed her trust in Allah, when the easier option was to do what 90% of the PTI reps have done and betray him. As far as her family is concerned, I have no idea if they are corrupt or not but after all the hype about Munir having the evidence of her selling jobs, well the Chief bureaucrat appointed by Buzdar( who allegedly sold the jobs under her influence) is still in his job. The fact that she has no assets outside declared and nothing abroad tells you that all that was lies.
The challenge to Munir is to bring forth your evidence. We are waiting Field Martial

 

[emranabbas]

@LordJames has them on the run. They have virtually no answer to his input.

It's actually eyesore reading bunch of gibberish from copied and pasted from chatgpt

OP needs to be original if he wants to be taken seriously.

 

[Bewal Express]

The content has been written by me and then formatted using AI, the information does not come from AI but lets not argue about it.

As previously written, please use ChatGPT or any other AI tool at your disposal to provide evidence the corruption of Imran Khan.

Please, go ahead.

Thanks


Asking for the 3rd time without AI, please let me know your religion and your culture and why you think that your culture is superior your religion, appreciate your time.

Thanks

@Major
We are waiting for a detailed response. We know you have never been right on a single political issue. You can use Chat GPT or whatever tool you need but the lies on the Al Qadir trust were exposed when the Junta headed by Munir appointed a corrupt Judge that had a SC judgement against him. You dont appoint judges like him if you have a case with even a small chance of success. The fact that the appeal has been delayed by the Junta for 8 months should be an embarrassment to you

 

[Bewal Express]

It's actually eyesore reading bunch of gibberish from copied and pasted from chatgpt

OP needs to be original if he wants to be taken seriously.

So no answer again. Debate the points or have the loose motions started again. Today alone you have run from the NS and AZ cases against each other., then Nani and her criminality.

 

[LordJames]

Dear Brothers @emranabbas @Major @Mamoon & @RizwanT20Champ

You are all my brothers and there is no malice or hate in my heart for any of you.

My original Research Methods:​

1. I discuss issues with experts, read a lot, watch a lot of discussions and cross reference and use OneNote on my laptop create references for issues which are important to me.
   1. Sometimes I use notes but I have dozens of crude notes on my laptop on hunderds of topics​
2. When I need to write or speak, I refer to my OneNote and create a word document on the topic​
3. I then proof read a few times and either speak (to people) or copy/paste​

My research Method for Pakpassion:

I have developed an eye condition where I am unable to clearly see the screen and need steroid treatment.​

1. So now I zoom my word document 200% and proof read it.​
2. I then use Microsoft Copilot on my laptop to catch errors because my eyes cannot focus properly.​
3. I sometimes use Perplexity AI to ensure that I have not missed anything for complex issue and it provides good datasets​
4. ChatGpt makes a lot of factual errors and provides conflicting information so it is rarely reliable and I don't use it for Hindutva or religious topics because it is false data, here are two examples:
   1. The prison dates of Asif Ali Zardari provided by ChatGPT are wrong and don't add up! If I posted ChatGpt it can be easily easily refuted.​
   2. The references from Hindu texts from ChatGpt are wrong and can also be easily caught.​

AI is just an aggregate of information on the web and cannot create reliable research for you out of thin air which it can stand up to scrutiny. AI cannot create truth for you or turn a lie into truth unless a person is stupid and unable to distinguish falsehood from truth.

I wanted to let you know of my research process as I already suggested please use any AI tool at your disposal to provide evidence for the corruption of Imran Khan and lets discuss it.

Thanks
​

My other issues with Imran are minor but they still create an image of someone who should not be blindly followed like some people do.

I accept that we all do wrong and commit sin and in his past he has done the same. However, not acknowledging his daughter is wrong in my opinion. Regardless of public opinion, he should have accepted her.

Imran brought in tried and tested failures to his party who have switched allegiances in the past and are from other corrupt parties that have never helped Pakistan. He should have used honest unknowns and built them up. However, again I acknowledge that if he did this properly, he would most likely never have become Prime Minister.

He has slandered other politicians openly. I get that they are corrupt and have only benefited themselves but that is not how you play the game. You should be seen to be above all that and not let your emotions run wild.

The protests are fine but when you block the public from going about their day to day lives and cause disruption, that is a problem.

However, having said all this, I still think if Imran had been a dictator and ruled Pakistan stably without disruption for a decent time, I think he could have made improvements and Pakistan would have been in a better state. I agree with another poster who said that long term stability despite pockets of corruption is good for the country.

I am skeptical but I hope the current government with General Asim Munir leading behind the scenes proves to be good for the country with stability. I’m no fan of military rule and believe that the military should report to the civilian government but I sincerely want Pakistan to do well even under people I’m no fan of and Asim Munir comes from a humble background and my family in Pakistan tells me he is decent person, so I hope they are right.

Agreed with most of it and Asim Munir does come from a "humble background" but that is no guarantee of piety.

"Major" Asim Munir was known as "deceiver" within the Army way before Imran Khan was even in politics and that is public record.

We can discuss his professional career as a soldier but he will derail this thread.

I also feel there is something off about Imran’s wife and her family. I completely disagree about slandering her in terms of the marriage issue. However, Islamically, a man should not follow a female as a spiritual leader. This does not sit right with me. Furthermore, is it true that her son has benefited from being related to the Prime Minister?

Imran Khan doesn't follow his wife as a spiritual leader at all.

Here is Bushra Bibi directly refuting it (listen from 3:13 minutes, 14:30 on wards). Please listen to her words and we can absoluetly disagree with a lot of what she is saying (for example minutes 16:05-18:58). In the first clip, she clearly states what advice she gave Imran Khan which was to recite "Durood"​

She then denies that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ came in her dream ordering her to marry Imran Khan (minutes 30:29 onwards). In the same clip she also denies Fatima RA in this context.

From minutes 39:50 she explains that she left her house after completing her Iddah (period) and then married 7 months later.

There is no evidence of her biological son having benefited from Imran Khan.

Many wives advise their husbands, my wife advises me all the time on behavior, words, Dhikr, Qur'aan so is she my spiritual advisor?

That's fine and that's your opinion. The wife wasnt corrupt and has stood by him under the greatest pressure and torture. I am not into Pir thing but she showed her trust in Allah, when the easier option was to do what 90% of the PTI reps have done and betray him. As far as her family is concerned, I have no idea if they are corrupt or not but after all the hype about Munir having the evidence of her selling jobs, well the Chief bureaucrat appointed by Buzdar( who allegedly sold the jobs under her influence) is still in his job. The fact that she has no assets outside declared and nothing abroad tells you that all that was lies.
The challenge to Munir is to bring forth your evidence. We are waiting Field Martial

Bushra Bibi is Barelwee and in a lot of Bidah practises and so is Imran Khan and there can be a lot of disagreements with both of them on these matters from the Deobandi, Salafi and Ahl-e-Hadeeth people. In fact, a lot of PTI people (like Zartaj Gul etc) are ignoramouses when it comes to Islam and its practise based on Qur'aan and Sunnah.

Imran Khan is no saint, no scholar of Islam but he is an honest person and not corrupt.

Imran Khan should be compared to Bajwa, Asim Munir, Nawaz Shareed and Zardari when it comes to Islam and not with Sahaba!
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It's actually eyesore reading bunch of gibberish from copied and pasted from chatgpt

OP needs to be original if he wants to be taken seriously.

Sure brother.

I have highlighted my methods in this post and answered in detail. Please let me know if something else needs to be clarified and I will update you.

Please feel free to use any AI (tool) at your disposal to provide evidence of Imran Khan's corruption.

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Thanks

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[emranabbas]

So no answer again. Debate the points or have the loose motions started again. Today alone you have run from the NS and AZ cases against each other., then Nani and her criminality.

It’s been six months and you still haven’t provided any concrete evidence against Nawaz Sharif or Asif Zardari’s

Unless you’ve got real evidence

 

[emranabbas]

Dear Brothers @emranabbas @Major @Mamoon & @RizwanT20Champ

You are all my brothers and there is no malice or hate in my heart for any of you.

My original Research Methods:​

1. I discuss issues with experts, read a lot, watch a lot of discussions and cross reference and use OneNote on my laptop create references for issues which are important to me.
   1. Sometimes I use notes but I have dozens of crude notes on my laptop on hunderds of topics​
2. When I need to write or speak, I refer to my OneNote and create a word document on the topic​
3. I then proof read a few times and either speak (to people) or copy/paste​

My research Method for Pakpassion:

I have developed an eye condition where I am unable to clearly see the screen and need steroid treatment.​

1. So now I zoom my word document 200% and proof read it.​
2. I then use Microsoft Copilot on my laptop to catch errors because my eyes cannot focus properly.​
3. I sometimes use Perplexity AI to ensure that I have not missed anything for complex issue and it provides good datasets​
4. ChatGpt makes a lot of factual errors and provides conflicting information so it is rarely reliable and I don't use it for Hindutva or religious topics because it is false data, here are two examples:
   1. The prison dates of Asif Ali Zardari provided by ChatGPT are wrong and don't add up! If I posted ChatGpt it can be easily easily refuted.​
   2. The references from Hindu texts from ChatGpt are wrong and can also be easily caught.​

AI is just an aggregate of information on the web and cannot create reliable research for you out of thin air which it can stand up to scrutiny. AI cannot create truth for you or turn a lie into truth unless a person is stupid and unable to distinguish falsehood from truth.

I wanted to let you know of my research process as I already suggested please use any AI tool at your disposal to provide evidence for the corruption of Imran Khan and lets discuss it.

Thanks
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Agreed with most of it and Asim Munir does come from a "humble background" but that is no guarantee of piety.

"Major" Asim Munir was known as "deceiver" within the Army way before Imran Khan was even in politics and that is public record.

We can discuss his professional career as a soldier but he will derail this thread.

Imran Khan doesn't follow his wife as a spiritual leader at all.

Here is Bushra Bibi directly refuting it (listen from 3:13 minutes, 14:30 on wards). Please listen to her words and we can absoluetly disagree with a lot of what she is saying (for example minutes 16:05-18:58). In the first clip, she clearly states what advice she gave Imran Khan which was to recite "Durood"​

She then denies that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ came in her dream ordering her to marry Imran Khan (minutes 30:29 onwards). In the same clip she also denies Fatima RA in this context.

From minutes 39:50 she explains that she left her house after completing her Iddah (period) and then married 7 months later.

There is no evidence of her biological son having benefited from Imran Khan.

Many wives advise their husbands, my wife advises me all the time on behavior, words, Dhikr, Qur'aan so is she my spiritual advisor?

Bushra Bibi is Barelwee and in a lot of Bidah practises and so is Imran Khan and there can be a lot of disagreements with both of them on these matters from the Deobandi, Salafi and Ahl-e-Hadeeth people. In fact, a lot of PTI people (like Zartaj Gul etc) are ignoramouses when it comes to Islam and its practise based on Qur'aan and Sunnah.

Imran Khan is no saint, no scholar of Islam but he is an honest person and not corrupt.

Imran Khan should be compared to Bajwa, Asim Munir, Nawaz Shareed and Zardari when it comes to Islam and not with Sahaba!
​

Sure brother.

I have highlighted my methods in this post and answered in detail. Please let me know if something else needs to be clarified and I will update you.

Please feel free to use any AI (tool) at your disposal to provide evidence of Imran Khan's corruption.

​

Thanks

​

Brother, I just want you to explain your point like a normal person. The way you’re writing right now feels like I’m reading an automated chatbot reply.

 

[Bewal Express]

It’s been six months and you still haven’t provided any concrete evidence against Nawaz Sharif or Asif Zardari’s

Unless you’ve got real evidence, keep your mouth shut and stay away from me

I dont have to( although you may want to use ChatGPT on the Panama scandal and Omni group) . They both locked each other up. So if they locked each other up without evidence then its a crime. @ Mamoon claimed that AZ served 10 years, this means that NS should be in jail for locking up an innocent man and if NS committed no crime and the PPP had him locked up, then AZ needs to be locked. So what is it? Please explain this basic contradiction

 

[LordJames]

Brother, I just want you to explain your point like a normal person. The way you’re writing right now feels like I’m reading an automated chatbot reply.

Brother,

I am treating you all like Muslims and with politeness and courtesy and not playing any games, not lying and not being dishonest. All I am asking is that you clarify your position that you disagree with Imran Khan due to Islam (and then provide Islamic evidence) and not "your opinion".

Everuthing I am saying, I am providing reasons and facts. I am not providing my opinion on anything, here is summary:​

Corruption:

1. Imran Khan is not corrupt, he didn't steal 190 million.
2. Imran Khan sold gifts (given to him) at 20% as per the law of Pakistan and used the money to repair Roads instead of using Taxpayer money.
3. If you think Imran Khan is corrupt, please provide evidence on both of these issue with facts.

Being Qadiyani:

1. Imran Khan has clarified his stance on Khatm-e-Nubuwwat
2. if you think that he is Qadiyani, please provide evidence.

Being Kaafir, Yahoodi Agent:

1. Imran Khan has clarified his stance on Kalima
2. if you think that he is Qadiyani, please provide evidence.

Being married to a Yahoodi:

1. Imran Khan is divorced and his "ex-wife" was Muslim
2. But lets suppose that she was a "Jew", it is permitted in Islam to marry a Jew.
3. if you disagree, please provide evidence.

Being a "Playboy":

1. Imran Khan as accepted his past life and admitted his sins
2. In Islam, it is then forbidden to refer to someone's past life and "taunt" a person and there is warning on this matter.
3. if you disagree, please provide evidence.

Marrying "Busha Bibi" during Iddah Period

1. In Islam, the testimony of woman is accepted.
2. Bushra Bibi directly tallks about it (listen from minutes 39 onwards).
3. if you disagree, please provide evidence.

Imran Khan denying Tyrian White?:

1. Imran Khan as accepted his past life and admitted his sins
2. From an Islamic standpoint, Imran Khan’s refusal to publicly acknowledge the child is not sinful, though the original act remains a serious offense.
3. From a legal point of view, Imran Khan has been tried on this issue various times and not convicted.
4. if you disagree, please provide evidence.

Clearly say that from an Islamic point of view OR leagl point of view this is the issue and then explain yourself. Pick a topic and start the discussion using your method and your tools and your way.

Thanks

 

[Patriot]

It’s been six months and you still haven’t provided any concrete evidence against Nawaz Sharif or Asif Zardari’s

Unless you’ve got real evidence, keep your mouth shut and stay away from me

Didn’t the Swiss convict Zardari of kickbacks and money laundering? It was only overturned due to an automatic appeal process and because the PPP government asked for the case to be withdrawn and because of Presidential immunity.

 

[LordJames]

[19:64] We only descend by the command of your Lord. To Him belongs whatever is before us, and whatever is behind us, and everything in between. And your Lord is not the One who forgets.

اور (اے نبی ﷺ !) ہم (فرشتے) نہیں نازل ہوتے مگر آپ کے رب کے حکم سے اسی کے اختیار میں ہے جو ہمارے آگے ہے اور جو ہمارے پیچھے ہے اور جو کچھ اس کے درمیان ہے اور آپ ﷺ کا رب بھولنے والا نہیں ہے​

 

[Bewal Express]

It’s been six months and you still haven’t provided any concrete evidence against Nawaz Sharif or Asif Zardari’s

Unless you’ve got real evidence, keep your mouth shut and stay away from me

You can run but you cant hide.

I asked a simple question and still no answer.

So did he do this without any evidence. Yes or no
If its no, then that is corruption and abuse of power which is what AZ said at the time, which means NS should be in prison. If the evidences existed( and they do), hence the 2007 NRO 1.0 then why is he not in prison.

BTW
I know you are little bit wet behind the ears but you may actually want to look at the Panama scandal, Omni group scandal. The confession of Munshi Dar.