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In-Depth Analysis of Corruption and Other Legal Charges Against Imran Khan

cricketfan24 said:
Sorry, I didn’t quite understand what you were trying to say, I apologize if I got the figures wrong, if they’re different, could you please share the correct ones here?
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It's ok I often don't understand myself either.

Ignore me, move on
 
cricketfan24 said:
I keep seeing people say 80% of Pakistanis living in the country voted for imran khan in the February 8 elections. That’s just not true. According to FAFEN, only 60.6 million people actually voted so that's not even half if Pakistan's population showing up at the polls so its impossible for 80% of the country voting for IK

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Your math ain’t mathing. Wanna try that again?
 
cricketfan24 said:
I keep seeing people say 80% of Pakistanis living in the country voted for imran khan in the February 8 elections. That’s just not true. According to FAFEN, only 60.6 million people actually voted so that's not even half if Pakistan's population showing up at the polls so its impossible for 80% of the country voting for IK

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thats why i say they are retarded. You cant argue with them on facts.

Look at how one of them is just denouncing facts....

These guys make so many dumb claims, like atleast do bother to look at the stats and not make statements out of thin air
 
Major said:
The 2024 election turnout was 47.8%
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And you know why? You banned the biggest party, took its symbol and locked up its leader. What's more he had to give tickets to total unknowns. And this is the best, he still won a 180 seats. How humiliating is that for you and the Nooras.🤣🥰🥰🥰
I remember a certain Major telling us he voted for the PTI. 🤣🤣🤣
 
Bewal Express said:
And you know why? You banned the biggest party, took its symbol and locked up its leader. What's more he had to give tickets to total unknowns. And this is the best, he still won a 180 seats. How humiliating is that for you and the Nooras.🤣🥰🥰🥰
I remember a certain Major telling us he voted for the PTI. 🤣🤣🤣
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ok and 2018 election tunrnout was 52%, ur point bieng?
 
Major said:
As usual. facts are nonsense for you, but imrans fairy tales are gospel.
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You talk a lot rubbish, keep repeating the same old rubbish...

Forget Imran Khan, you make yourself complicit in the murder of millions of innocent poor people. This makes you a disgusting individual
 
Everyone can see the pattern here.

@LordJames started a thread that was supposed to start an in depth conversation.

Two weeks without any meaningful reply or answers to the questions posed then suddenly we get nonsense from certain posters to derail the thread...

Then these posters wonder why others come hard at them...
 
Major said:
ok and 2018 election tunrnout was 52%, ur point bieng?
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The point is that the turnout was deliberately suppressed. They knew, and they were right that there is no way for these criminals to beat IK in any legal way. He whipped your butt whilst in prison and without any campaigning. You guys had all the state machinery from the SC( can we forget the Disgraced Isa) to the ECP, from the Police to the army and you got absolutely smashed. I hope you ain't going to lie and claim this didnt happen. For a change Major admit the truth
 
IMMY69 said:
You talk a lot rubbish, keep repeating the same old rubbish...

Forget Imran Khan, you make yourself complicit in the murder of millions of innocent poor people. This makes you a disgusting individual
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again, talk facts not nonsense with me.

Only thing disgusting here is ur username
 
Bewal Express said:
The point is that the turnout was deliberately suppressed. They knew, and they were right that there is no way for these criminals to beat IK in any legal way. He whipped your butt whilst in prison and without any campaigning. You guys had all the state machinery from the SC( can we forget the Disgraced Isa) to the ECP, from the Police to the army and you got absolutely smashed. I hope you ain't going to lie and claim this didnt happen. For a change Major admit the truth
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so now 2018 turnout was surpressed? lol
 
Bewal Express said:
No. I was talking about the 2024. In 2018 he still smashed your crooks and You had to stop the RTS machines to keep his majority down. Your friend @Mamoon knew at the time
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so if 52% turnout how does that equvate to 90% Pakistnais wanting him?

And that is just the turnout not the ones who just voted for PTI
 
Major said:
so now 2018 turnout was surpressed? lol
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The question is why was it suppressed in 2024. Why did you had all the machinery and still got absolute smashed 🤣🤣🥰
You can never beat the Kaptaan in fair election. He is just too good for spineless turds and their supporters
 
Major said:
so if 52% turnout how does that equvate to 90% Pakistnais wanting him?

And that is just the turnout not the ones who just voted for PTI
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Oh I see know you want to go into statistics.So based on that why have your criminals got a 2/3rd majority with less than 10% of the vote. Nooras got 17 seats and that is probably an exaggeration and the Sindh mafia got probably a few more because they just kill you if you challenge them. Let's say 50 seats out of 266. Now you are supposed to be educated, what is the % of seats? And what is the vote share based on your criteria. 🤣🤣🤣
 
Bewal Express said:
Oh I see know you want to go into statistics.So based on that why have your criminals got a 2/3rd majority with less than 10% of the vote. Nooras got 17 seats and that is probably an exaggeration and the Sindh mafia got probably a few more because they just kill you if you challenge them. Let's say 50 seats out of 266. Now you are supposed to be educated, what is the % of seats? And what is the vote share based on your criteria. 🤣🤣🤣
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I just want to correct you, in the 2024 Pakistan general election,

PTI-backed independents won 92 seats,

PML-N secured 79 seats, and

PPP obtained 54 seats.

Here is the source
 
Bewal Express said:
The question is why was it suppressed in 2024. Why did you had all the machinery and still got absolute smashed 🤣🤣🥰
You can never beat the Kaptaan in fair election. He is just too good for spineless turds and their supporters
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im asking about the 80 to 90% awaam voting for Imran claim.

Plz back that up.
 
LordJames said:
Blind Hate & Its Impact

  1. Imagine hating someone so much that you throw false accusations without proof and can’t defend your position.​
  2. Imagine letting that hatred burn Pakistan itself, just because the other person supports a party you dislike.​
  3. Imagine letting hatred ruin a country—its economy, its systems, and the future of 250+ million people—just because you dislike those who question you.​
  4. Imagine sacrificing your religion, your principles, and your sense of right and wrong—knowing you are wrong—yet still living with nothing but blind hate for a person or anyone who dares to talk about them.​
Several psychologists have started discussing this phenomenon and its impact on people of Pakistan and their mental state. Once I find the discussion, I’ll share the link in this thread.

Above all, imagine having no real answers—only replying with irrelevant points, more accusations, or changing the subject, just to satisfy your ego that you said something back.​
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Firstly @LordJames I really appreciate your posting in the TimePass section. Usually we come across a lot of noise on these forums but having a reason backed with facts helps in having a constructive debate.

On the topic of blind hate I have mentioned previously to some specific posters that its potentially the worst thing that can happen to you. The most important element is that with blind hate a person tends to lose the sense of right or wrong. Humankind is described as "ashraf-ul-makhlooq" (best of creations) and largely this is because mankind have the ability to differentiate the right from wrong. If you take the sense of right vs wrong away from any person then there would be no difference between them and animals. Hence losing the differentiating factor in right vs wrong debate is the worst thing that can happen to a person.

If we take a step further and try to understand the reasons for some of the blind hate that is attributed to some posters then my take on them individually would be as follows looking through their posting history. Apologies in advance if anyone is offended here as that is never the intention and the purpose is to understand the root cause for the hatred in here.

@Mamoon - Firstly, I respect Mamoon as a poster. The guy has been on PP for many years and clearly has a level of knowledge above average PPer. I like the debates he is part of as he brings constructive arguments forward however unfortunately for him in the case of IK there aren't many selling points for him to make a constructive argument which is the reason you'd see him absent from this thread without his normal essays. Sometimes I feel he goes against the public opinion in order to garner attention on anonymous forums like these whilst I'm sure he would be an introvert in real life maybe that is why he likes his moments of fame by going against public opinion. Mamoon isn't the loud voices like others and he is not a blind hater either, I'm sure he understands that difference between right and wrong and years down the line Mamoon would be writing essays on how Pakistan has suffered by not allowing democracy to progress and would cite IK as an example. Also he isn't a fanboy of army either, he comes from a privileged background but I don't think its military related. Maybe that is the reason he hates IK as IK is against privileges. I also have a feeling Mamoon is someone who is always sceptical about everything that is positive in Pakistan that is why he is dismissive of IK. This is also known as solipsistic where the person believes that information in their head always carry more weightage then others opinions and even facts. Regardless, this guy is not a blind hater and will revert back to praising IK once IK is gone but would never appreciate anything good whilst its still around.

@Major - Major is a poster I respect in most areas. He doesn't come from privileged background, he truly represents the normal folks of the country. His hatred for IK stems from his love for PPP. Now I don't know what he has seen in PPP over the years that made him in love with that party but whatever it was enough for Major to be a diehard forever fan. I don't think he supports the army as such its just that he knows once IK is gone from the picture the only candidate who doesn't have any dirt on them is Bilawal. So in Major's opinion IK is the hurdle in Bilawal's path and he really wants Bilawal to lead this country. I'm fine with Major having this opinion what I don't like is throwing allegations or unnecessary tirades or calling for death to IK. This behaviour is uncalled for and Major knows in a constructive debate he would lose hence he throws wild accusations and death threats to avoid any constructive arguments.

@emranabbas & @RizwanT20Champ - These guys are what I categorise as blind haters. Lots of noise very little substance. Their posts are mostly something that can be ignored as it doesn't bring weightage to any discussion on this topic.
 
Extra_Cover said:
Firstly @LordJames I really appreciate your posting in the TimePass section. Usually we come across a lot of noise on these forums but having a reason backed with facts helps in having a constructive debate.

On the topic of blind hate I have mentioned previously to some specific posters that its potentially the worst thing that can happen to you. The most important element is that with blind hate a person tends to lose the sense of right or wrong. Humankind is described as "ashraf-ul-makhlooq" (best of creations) and largely this is because mankind have the ability to differentiate the right from wrong. If you take the sense of right vs wrong away from any person then there would be no difference between them and animals. Hence losing the differentiating factor in right vs wrong debate is the worst thing that can happen to a person.

If we take a step further and try to understand the reasons for some of the blind hate that is attributed to some posters then my take on them individually would be as follows looking through their posting history. Apologies in advance if anyone is offended here as that is never the intention and the purpose is to understand the root cause for the hatred in here.

@Mamoon - Firstly, I respect Mamoon as a poster. The guy has been on PP for many years and clearly has a level of knowledge above average PPer. I like the debates he is part of as he brings constructive arguments forward however unfortunately for him in the case of IK there aren't many selling points for him to make a constructive argument which is the reason you'd see him absent from this thread without his normal essays. Sometimes I feel he goes against the public opinion in order to garner attention on anonymous forums like these whilst I'm sure he would be an introvert in real life maybe that is why he likes his moments of fame by going against public opinion. Mamoon isn't the loud voices like others and he is not a blind hater either, I'm sure he understands that difference between right and wrong and years down the line Mamoon would be writing essays on how Pakistan has suffered by not allowing democracy to progress and would cite IK as an example. Also he isn't a fanboy of army either, he comes from a privileged background but I don't think its military related. Maybe that is the reason he hates IK as IK is against privileges. I also have a feeling Mamoon is someone who is always sceptical about everything that is positive in Pakistan that is why he is dismissive of IK. This is also known as solipsistic where the person believes that information in their head always carry more weightage then others opinions and even facts. Regardless, this guy is not a blind hater and will revert back to praising IK once IK is gone but would never appreciate anything good whilst its still around.

@Major - Major is a poster I respect in most areas. He doesn't come from privileged background, he truly represents the normal folks of the country. His hatred for IK stems from his love for PPP. Now I don't know what he has seen in PPP over the years that made him in love with that party but whatever it was enough for Major to be a diehard forever fan. I don't think he supports the army as such its just that he knows once IK is gone from the picture the only candidate who doesn't have any dirt on them is Bilawal. So in Major's opinion IK is the hurdle in Bilawal's path and he really wants Bilawal to lead this country. I'm fine with Major having this opinion what I don't like is throwing allegations or unnecessary tirades or calling for death to IK. This behaviour is uncalled for and Major knows in a constructive debate he would lose hence he throws wild accusations and death threats to avoid any constructive arguments.

@emranabbas & @RizwanT20Champ - These guys are what I categorise as blind haters. Lots of noise very little substance. Their posts are mostly something that can be ignored as it doesn't bring weightage to any discussion on this topic.
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sir my death for imran chants will only appear when others advocate zardari or nawazs death.
 
Major said:
and Imrans ego never allowed him to make a coalition with PPP, they were ready and threw him the bone. But his ego never allowed it.
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Combined Percentage of PPP + PML-N

Seats: 123 (PML-N) + 73 (PPP) = 196 seats

So together, PPP and PML-N hold about 58.3% of the National Assembly seats.

PTI - 31.5%
 
Major said:
im asking about the 80 to 90% awaam voting for Imran claim.

Plz back that up.
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It’s funny—this poster always disappears whenever I bring up the killers of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto, even though he uses their images as avatars. Then he keeps repeating that 80 to 90% figure for Imran Khan. Obviously, those numbers are exaggerated, but they’re thrown around to emphasize his popularity. The truth is, a clear majority of Pakistani voters would likely support him.

Just wait until he’s released from jail—people might welcome him with such fervor that even Khomeini’s return will look modest in comparison. But let’s not drag this into every single post. That figure is more of a symbolic expression to show how massive the public support is.

As for PML-N and PPP, they’re politically finished. They’ve polished the establishment’s boots so thoroughly that even some of their most loyal voters are ready to move on.
 
Major said:
and Imrans ego never allowed him to make a coalition with PPP, they were ready and threw him the bone. But his ego never allowed it.
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How can you make a coalition with criminals that don't even value ZAB and BB. The same goons that murdered ZAB are their partners in crime today.
 
Major said:
sir my death for imran chants will only appear when others advocate zardari or nawazs death.
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They are criminals. You repeat the propaganda of the Junta and their puppets. Today the 9th May was buried alive, the Al Qadir case has less spine than Billo and the Judges are running away. So tell me which cass are you pinning hopes on now?🤣🥰🥰

AZ has murdered people including BBs brother and NS has multiple corruption scamdals and all evidenced by none other than the PPP. 🤣🤣🥰
 
Not sure which is worse, the spawn of corruption, or the spawn of Satan - the later at least are consistent in their hate for the world.

Honestly, someone claiming IK is more corrupt and worthy of a death sentence in comparison to AZ/NS - is a paid corrupt shill.

They don't need attention, they need big fat brown envelopes.

Is it a coincidence that the 2 most prominent anti IK posters on PP have a desperate desire to move to the UK?

Nuff said.

😎
 
Extra_Cover said:
Firstly @LordJames I really appreciate your posting in the TimePass section. Usually we come across a lot of noise on these forums but having a reason backed with facts helps in having a constructive debate.

On the topic of blind hate I have mentioned previously to some specific posters that its potentially the worst thing that can happen to you. The most important element is that with blind hate a person tends to lose the sense of right or wrong. Humankind is described as "ashraf-ul-makhlooq" (best of creations) and largely this is because mankind have the ability to differentiate the right from wrong. If you take the sense of right vs wrong away from any person then there would be no difference between them and animals. Hence losing the differentiating factor in right vs wrong debate is the worst thing that can happen to a person.

If we take a step further and try to understand the reasons for some of the blind hate that is attributed to some posters then my take on them individually would be as follows looking through their posting history. Apologies in advance if anyone is offended here as that is never the intention and the purpose is to understand the root cause for the hatred in here.

@Mamoon - Firstly, I respect Mamoon as a poster. The guy has been on PP for many years and clearly has a level of knowledge above average PPer. I like the debates he is part of as he brings constructive arguments forward however unfortunately for him in the case of IK there aren't many selling points for him to make a constructive argument which is the reason you'd see him absent from this thread without his normal essays. Sometimes I feel he goes against the public opinion in order to garner attention on anonymous forums like these whilst I'm sure he would be an introvert in real life maybe that is why he likes his moments of fame by going against public opinion. Mamoon isn't the loud voices like others and he is not a blind hater either, I'm sure he understands that difference between right and wrong and years down the line Mamoon would be writing essays on how Pakistan has suffered by not allowing democracy to progress and would cite IK as an example. Also he isn't a fanboy of army either, he comes from a privileged background but I don't think its military related. Maybe that is the reason he hates IK as IK is against privileges. I also have a feeling Mamoon is someone who is always sceptical about everything that is positive in Pakistan that is why he is dismissive of IK. This is also known as solipsistic where the person believes that information in their head always carry more weightage then others opinions and even facts. Regardless, this guy is not a blind hater and will revert back to praising IK once IK is gone but would never appreciate anything good whilst its still around.

@Major - Major is a poster I respect in most areas. He doesn't come from privileged background, he truly represents the normal folks of the country. His hatred for IK stems from his love for PPP. Now I don't know what he has seen in PPP over the years that made him in love with that party but whatever it was enough for Major to be a diehard forever fan. I don't think he supports the army as such its just that he knows once IK is gone from the picture the only candidate who doesn't have any dirt on them is Bilawal. So in Major's opinion IK is the hurdle in Bilawal's path and he really wants Bilawal to lead this country. I'm fine with Major having this opinion what I don't like is throwing allegations or unnecessary tirades or calling for death to IK. This behaviour is uncalled for and Major knows in a constructive debate he would lose hence he throws wild accusations and death threats to avoid any constructive arguments.

@emranabbas & @RizwanT20Champ - These guys are what I categorise as blind haters. Lots of noise very little substance. Their posts are mostly something that can be ignored as it doesn't bring weightage to any discussion on this topic.
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@Mamoon used to spend hours hating the Generals and the Mullahs. Today he thinks the sun shines out of the backside of Munir and at no point does he even mention the coup. This maybe through fear of the consequences because if IK isnt safe in PK then no one is safe.
@Major is just plain dishonest. He knows exactly the score but will dishonestly deny facts that he knows to be true. He knows the PTI won the elections but he will give a thumbs up to anyone that denies this fact. His loyalty to AZ seems to be his way of gratitude for some benefit he or someone in the family seems to have received. Again you see Major deny the coup and he runs when cornered without commenting.
The less said about the RSS chimp and the guy who claimed he was in PK but lived in the UK, whilst hating on UK PKs the better.
 
Major said:
im asking about the 80 to 90% awaam voting for Imran claim.

Plz back that up.
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How many seats did he win in 2024. I seem to recall 180 and that was with a banned party, voter suppression and him in jail with all ECP and SC acting more like lap dogs than national institutions. If you want to challenge this figure hold fair elections.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You are religious despots though, that is why the RSS is anti-Muslim which you yourself have said here.
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RSS is a Hindu organization.. not all Indians are member of RSS and majority of Indians are not RSS members. I will be first to admit many Hindus avoid mingling with Muslims and have apprehensions.. I would assume a lot of it is reverse too. This in my opinion has to do with economic divide between Muslims and Hindus. At least within educated class... In similar social economic strata . I have noticed cordial relationship. So you cannot call all Hindus as religious bigots. You can call RSS vhp bajrang dal people as communal and anti Muslim... Maybe even bigots.. I will not debate it. However aside from individual incidents.. RSS does not promote a violent terrorist ideology where in the call upon people to kill Muslims. I know there have been solitary utterances by some leaders... But there is no actionable army in the ground. It is simply not tolerated. I see Paksitanis call RSS or BJP as terrorist groups and I have a problem with that. They are anti Muslim for sure but their target is more a Hindu India rather than targeting Muslims in other countries... They don't have a violent army hell bent on killing innocent civilians in other countries ... They do forment a lot of hatred against people by using the action of Pakistani terrorists to paint Indian Muslims in the same light .

So if you call RSS etc as religious bigots I am ok, but I don't think majority of Hindus fall in that category even though they are uncomfortable around Muslims
But Rss is definitely not a terrorist group like the let or jem or other jehadis .. they are more a communal group with localized actions against individual Muslims. Not condoning their actions but outlining the differences.
 
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