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India (119) clinch a thrilling victory against Pakistan (113/7) by 6 runs in a low-scoring game of the ICC T20 World Cup 2024

So India bats the worst it has done in a while and yet somehow manages to sneak in a win.
 
I was at the Nassau stadium today and everybody was under disbelief about how the Pakistani innings unfolded. I was preparing myself to walk out of the stadium at the 11 over mark to beat the traffic- but lo & behold, Pakistan decided to do a Bangladesh. We had no business winning this one but still did. Unreal stuff!
 
Mockingbird said:
I was at the Nassau stadium today and everybody was under disbelief about how the Pakistani innings unfolded. I was preparing myself to walk out of the stadium at the 11 over mark to beat the traffic- but lo & behold, Pakistan decided to do a Bangladesh. We had no business winning this one but still did. Unreal stuff!
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Did you guys enjoy the match. Watching at home it was a forgettable match. Unbelievably brainless batting by India. How did the crowd react?
 

MP2011 said:
What an excuse of a cricketer Pandya is! Can't bowl, can't bat.
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how about can't field, cant run, cant jog and wont even make the Venezuela 2nd XII...but then the whole day all that has come out of you is -ve ism....not surprising considering the momentous events of the day on and off the field in both cities names starting with 'New"
considering the low scoring game, 7 of 12 and 4-0-24 - 2 is not a bad return....but then you need to be positive to be appreciative...
End of the day, the deserving won....in both cities...smoke that bro - peace :Dah
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Did you guys enjoy the match. Watching at home it was a forgettable match. Unbelievably brainless batting by India. How did the crowd react?
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Crazy scenes. There was a lot of disbelief and happiness after the match. People had no belief that India would turn it around till Bumrah’s 15th over & then the 16th over when Imad Wasim was beaten by Axar Patel 3 balls in a row. Surreal experience to watch India Pak live!
 
AMSS said:
Hard to believe RoKo and that dud Dube are playing while Jaiswal, Rinku and even Gill watch from the sidelines.
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I would get Dube out and get Sanju Samson or Rinku in the next match. An induced side strain or back spasm could do the trick 😆
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
how about can't field, cant run, cant jog and wont even make the Venezuela 2nd XII...but then the whole day all that has come out of you is -ve ism....not surprising considering the momentous events of the day on and off the field in both cities names starting with 'New"
considering the low scoring game, 7 of 12 and 4-0-24 - 2 is not a bad return....but then you need to be positive to be appreciative...
End of the day, the deserving won....in both cities...smoke that bro - peace :Dah
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Lol, you and I both know, it was opposition which allowed both to go scot free and not the other way round, in both places, starting with New.

Except for Bumrah and Pant, no other Indian player was good enough, just that Pakistan was thousand times worse.
 
Also, I see how you conveniently (yet again) chose to ignore where I praised Pandya and other Indian cricketers.

Well done.
 
I don't think India should play Dube ahead of Jaiswal or Samson. You can easily play Pant and Samson both in the middle order.
 
Dube's bowling is somehow even worse than his poor one dimensional batting. Rahul Dravid continues to prove his a terrible judge of talent.

Rinku and Jaiswal both should be 2nd and 3rd name on team sheet after Bumrah.
 
So many passengers in Indian team
Tier1- Dube,Sky,Jaddu
Tier2- Kohli,Sharma
Tier3- Arshdeep, Hardik (even Siraj)- they were just plain lucky on a tricky pitch
 
Arshdeep is certainly a dud and a passenger who's getting the ride because of that left arm nonsense.

Harshit Rana and Kuldeep Sen are both demonstrably better bowler.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Bumrah is exceptional bowler but he bowled those full tosses in crucial moments. i would say usual batters would put them in stands
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Most of the times, batsmen won't expect a full toss from him .batsmen who are flexible in thinking can hit them but it's quality of an atg batsmen or very good finisher.(Dhoni, symonds etc)
 
Vikram1989 said:
Most of the times, batsmen won't expect a full toss from him .batsmen who are flexible in thinking can hit them but it's quality of an atg batsmen or very good finisher.(Dhoni, symonds etc)
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Bumrah's full toss is harder to hit due to the angle. Also this ground is somewhat big.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bumrah's full toss is harder to hit due to the angle. Also this ground is somewhat big.
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English or Australian players would have looked to play the paddle sweep to the full toss. Naseem played that shot to Arshdeeps yorker and got a boundary.

Pakistani batters are still stuck in their outdated cross bat swipes to the leg side. You have to have now have different shots in your reservoir.
 
Savak said:
English or Australian players would have looked to play the paddle sweep to the full toss. Naseem played that shot to Arshdeeps yorker and got a boundary.

Pakistani batters are still stuck in their outdated cross bat swipes to the leg side. You have to have now have different shots in your reservoir.
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Depends on the stance of batsman's stance. If you crouch and if you are on the backfoot it is impossible as it will catch the splice. Bumrah was bowling at 146 kph in that over. You need to be pretty skilled to nail it or you need to have spent long enough. Here you can see Ruturaj converting Bumrah's yorker into full toss to hit for six. But this one is a low full toss you can get the elevation.
 
Former Pakistan cricketer Mudassar Nazar slams Babar Azam-led Pakistan after their six-run loss to India during a show on a local channel:

“Jasprit Bumrah was the difference and Pakistan was lucky that he didn’t bowl with the new ball.”

“Rohit’s captaincy was also excellent, the bowling changes he made was good.”

“If you see the combination of Pakistan cricket team and the results they have produced against New Zealand’s C team, Ireland and then England, we shouldn’t be surprised.”

“We were surprised when we lost to USA. But if you see the way US have played against Bangladesh, you can get an idea that Pakistan are going to struggle against the US team in the World Cup.”

“There is no substance in this team. Two openers, they play well. Then it is hit and miss. You can’t win big games with pseudo all-rounders.”

“In pressure situation you need specialists. We need people with big heart. The middle order of ours, have they ever won us a tournament with the bat. They have not even won matches for their franchise in Pakistan Super League (PSL). Then we were expecting them against Bumrah, that they will stand up, we are living far from the reality.”

“Gary Kirsten is a brilliant coach but once tournament will get over then only he will know what is his best playing XI. He doesn’t know what his best XI is yet. He should have been appointed as coach from the New Zealand series. Now he is depended over Azhar Mahmood and Babar Azam. He looked clueless during the Super Over and doesn’t know what should be his best three batters. When Azam khan was playing and he is known for his hitting then why not he was sent out to bat in the Super Over.”
 
Drop Dube and play Jaiswal, Drop Jadeja/Axar (though I prefer to stay with Axar, management may give value to Jadeja's so-called experience) and play Kuldeep. At least these two changes are needed. I would have loved to have Shami in place of Arshdeep, but now we have to stick with the latter without any other options...

Do these changes immediately (this match should be a wakeup call). Revise the batting order...

Jaiswal
Rohit
Kohli
Pant
Sky/Samson
Pandya
Axar
Kuldeep
Arshdeep
Bumrah
Siraj

If you think the tail is long, then play Samson/Rinku over Axar/Arshdeep and go with 5 bowlers bowling 4 each... (on WI pitches you don't need 4 seamers) Need to do something (fake an injury) to get some players from the reserves (especially Rinku)
 
Former pacer Shoaib Akhtar expressed his disappointment on his YouTube channel after Pakistan's narrow defeat to India in their T20 World Cup 2024 encounter on Sunday at the Nassau County International Stadium:

“Very disappointing. It was a run-a-ball chance for Pakistan. Earlier, India’s middle order messed it up. They were 80-odd in 11 overs and could have achieved around 160 but couldn’t. But for Pakistan, it was a close chance. Rizwan could have scored another 20 runs and won the game for the team. Sadly, we didn’t apply our brains.”

"A lot of things are questionable, their intent, the application… it’s really sad for the team. Pakistan should have won this game. They were pretty much in the game, requiring 46 runs in 47 balls when Fakhar was there. We had 7 wickets in hand but we couldn’t do it. I’m speechless and hurt, that’s about it."
 
Jasprit Bumrah (India player) post-match Press Conference - 9th June 2024

[Reporter:]

How do you attribute this victory? Is it the experience, the ability of the players to maintain the calmness along with you? How do you see or any other factor?

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

First of all, we are very, very happy with the result that we got and the biggest positive for us was the calmness because when we were batting in the morning, there was a lot more help and when we started rolling the skies opened up and the ball stopped seaming and there wasn't a lot of lateral movement. So, we had to be more consistent and more accurate and we as a unit were very calm and very clear on what we wanted to do. So, we are very happy that as a unit we were able to contribute and created that pressure and then we were able to get the win.

[Reporter:]

Jasprit, do you think that you are in the best phase of your career at the moment, the way you are bowling and like what is making you so special? Like it has been an unbelievable spell from the IPL. Like what has been so brilliant about these performances of late?

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

Yeah, see a year ago, the same people were saying that I might not play again and my career is over and then now the question changed. But I don't look at that. For me, I am not looking at, I am bowling at the best of my ability. I try to solve the problem that is there in front of me and try to control the controllables. I know it's a cliche answer that everybody just comes and says, yeah, we try to stick to the processes and try to control the control levels. But I was trying to focus on what is the best option over here on a wicket like this. How do I make shot making difficult? What are the best options for me? So that way, I try to stay in the present and focus on what I have to do. Because if I look at the outside noise, if I look at people and pressure and emotion takes over, then things don't really work for me. So, I was trying to do that, trying to create my own bubble, and trying to focus on that and try to put my best foot forward.

[Reporter:]

On air, in commentary, two great Pakistani bowlers, Waseem Akram and Wakar were saying your final two overs were the turning point that can decide the match either way. You proved them right actually. But my question is about Rohit Sharma. Was his captaincy spot on today?

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

Yeah, very clear. So that is what we were, we had a chat that , we were a little disappointed on the total that we had put up because we wanted to add more runs and obviously that was not the plan. We left one over as well. So, once we started, we were very clear the message in the huddle was that now that is over, now what is next? What are the things that are in our control? So, we will try to focus on that and not to create panic because yes, there will be boundaries here and there. People might play good shots, but we'll have to try and be composed and try to hold our shape. So that was the biggest positive, not at any stage did I feel that the panic had spread in the team and we were looking too far ahead. So that's a really positive sign for us.

[Reporter:]

What did you think of the atmosphere in the stadium?

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

It was pretty good. It was a full house, always an India-Pakistan game. The atmosphere is really high. A lot of emotion does come in and it didn't feel like we are not playing in India because the support that we get, wherever we go, we get a lot of support and fans come in large numbers. So that does help with the energy part of the setup that we have. So yeah, very happy with the support and we were happy that we were able to give them a win as well.

[Reporter:]

Jasprit - 119, how do you draw the balance between pulling runs back and looking for wickets and how do you not get desperate for wickets?

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

So, that's very important, even when there is help, you can be desperate, and you can try to go fuller and try to pull that magic delivery. I tried not to do that but when we came, the swing and seam had reduced. So, we had to be accurate because if we go for magic deliveries and try to be too desperate, run making becomes easy and they know the target. So, we had to be very mindful of not overdoing it and yes add up pressure, use the big boundaries, try to use things to our advantage. That is what we were doing. So, in that we created pressure and everybody got wickets.

[Reporter:]

Just going back to the previous game, on a wicket that tends to do a lot, how difficult is it for you to stick to the basics as opposed get carried away by the wicket and what it has to offer.

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

In that aspect, experience does help you a little bit. Whenever there is help, you can get excited. You can try pole hunting, bowl bouncers, out-swingers, in-swingers. But you don't have to do that. I have learned that over the experience. But this time, it was not happening a lot. The ball was not doing a lot. Yes, we did create pressure. A little bit of lateral movement was there but not too much, not as pronounced as the last game. So, in that, then you go back to what has worked for you and you try to stick to the basics and you try to stick to your strengths and try to make shot making as difficult as you can.

[Reporter:]

Bowling was the pick-up from both sides today. Do you really think posting 119 was enough on this pitch? And secondly, what in your opinion was the turning point while bowling second?

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

See, obviously we were a little disappointed by the total. We wanted to put more runs on the board because we knew that there was some help and chasing a total on a tricky wicket can be difficult. But then the sun opened up and the seam did go down. So yeah, we were a little disappointed with the total. We obviously wanted to put more runs on the board. But then once that was done, we were focusing on what we could do. And then when that third over of mine - that was a crucial stage of that situation that if that would have been an over that would have gone Pakistan's favour, then the game would have gone in that favour. So, we were very happy that we pulled it off And I think at that moment the moment shifted to our side and we were able to capitalize

[Reporter:]

I believe India has got the victories due to the bowlers. The fast bowling has become a very tremendous job. What do you think, what Pakistan was cruising till middle of the phase of the innings but you are over when you got the wicket of Hamid Rizwan. That was the key moment or any other thing you believe?

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

So, it's not like one particular moment. Yes, obviously we were there was a decent start but I think the first wicket was very important as well to set the base because then you start adding pressure because if they get off to a good start on this wicket, then we didn't have a lot of runs on the board and then the pressure keeps on rising on us. So that was also a crucial stage.

And in the middle stages, whenever everybody came in and they were trying to execute what they wanted to, they were able to do that. So that was pretty good. I think it's a combination of all those things that really helped us. So yeah, we as a bowling unit, take a lot of pride in our bowling and we worked really hard to develop more skills and try to, , help the team as much as we can so we were very happy that we were able to do it in this game

[Reporter:]

In T20 cricket, bowlers are being praised a lot – do you find that weird, because even in todays match its being called as a bowlers match. Do you find it exciting.

[Jasprit Bumrah:]

Sir, I can't be happier listening to this. I always advocate bowlers, but we're very happy that the appreciation and appreciation that bowlers have received because our country is obviously a batsman loving country and we understand but we are very happy that bowlers are coming up front. Obviously, the IPL that we played was not very bowler friendly but we are very happy that we didn't come here with that baggage and when we are getting help here, we were trying to use it. I have played a lot of cricket in my young years.- when the bat and ball challenge is good it is more interesting to watch the match. When its bat vs bat, I switch off the TV. I have been a fan of bowling since childhood. When there is a challenge between bat and ball, that is the game I like. No complaints. I am very happy.
 
I didn't watch the game yesterday apart from checking the scores here and there. Just caught the highlights...

I just cannot understand how we won this. We got so many things wrong..lost the toss, conditions were overcast during our batting innings, every batter got out to stupid shots, sun came out during oak innings and it was visibly getting better to bat on, Rizwan and Fakhar were going well with the former getting a reprieve in the 3rd over.

Just how do you not get 48 from 48 balls with 8 wickets in hand? Even Bangladesh, Ireland, Canada etc won't choke the way Pakistan did yesterday.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Most of the times, batsmen won't expect a full toss from him .batsmen who are flexible in thinking can hit them but it's quality of an atg batsmen or very good finisher.(Dhoni, symonds etc)
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yes a low in swinging full toss from him is difficult to put away. but the ones he bowled against Iftikhar were at decent height going down the leg. it was in the arc of iftikhar to swing his bat properly.. but his reflexes are all shot due to age factor perhaps. we needed a boundary in Bumrah over. he provided us with opportunity and our below average batter did nt take it.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bumrah's full toss is harder to hit due to the angle. Also this ground is somewhat big.
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yes a low full toss .. not the one going down the leg below waist he bowled against ifti..just needed to put a right connection. could be played down the fine leg easily.. with his pace it would have sailed over short boundary at fine leg
 
Savak said:
English or Australian players would have looked to play the paddle sweep to the full toss. Naseem played that shot to Arshdeeps yorker and got a boundary.

Pakistani batters are still stuck in their outdated cross bat swipes to the leg side. You have to have now have different shots in your reservoir.
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prime example is Matthew wade against SSA in semi final 2021.. and those low full tosses by afridi could nt possibly be hit anywhere else.. Bumrah sprayed it down the leg at manageable height.. did nt even need scoop .. even cross bat swipe with right timing would have done the job..
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Depends on the stance of batsman's stance. If you crouch and if you are on the backfoot it is impossible as it will catch the splice. Bumrah was bowling at 146 kph in that over. You need to be pretty skilled to nail it or you need to have spent long enough. Here you can see Ruturaj converting Bumrah's yorker into full toss to hit for six. But this one is a low full toss you can get the elevation.
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if a full toss is going down the leg at 146 kph at waist height.. you can play it on back foot stance.. its called spraying it down the leg.. he bowled two of those. watch them again
 
What a poor batting display by both the teams but India victorious in the end.

Pakistan's batting line-up needs a big change since the bowlers have been doing all the heavy lifting. India pulled off an unlikely win, showing how much Pakistan's batting struggled, especially in the loss to the USA on a good batting pitch.

Guys like Iftikhar, Shadab, and Imad should be swapped out for Saim, Saud, and Mohammad Haris. You also need proper spinners like Abrar in the team.

Saim and Saud still need some work but they are better than Iftikhar and Shadab. Fakhar should open the batting because he's great at it and can't handle the pressure in the middle order.
 
It's not that the others were not culpable but the fact that Rizwan seems to escape criticism for whatever reason.

It was a tough pitch to start on, even though it got easier by the time Pakistan came to bat.

PAK needed to chase it a strike rate of 100.

But a guy who batted 44 balls i.e. eat up 37 % of the deliveries and still score only at a strike rate of 70 is criminal in a T20.

There are simply no two ways about it.
 
Especially having cried about his batting position and batting partner
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's not that the others were not culpable but the fact that Rizwan seems to escape criticism for whatever reason.

It was a tough pitch to start on, even though it got easier by the time Pakistan came to bat.

PAK needed to chase it a strike rate of 100.

But a guy who batted 44 balls i.e. eat up 37 % of the deliveries and still score only at a strike rate of 70 is criminal in a T20.

There are simply no two ways about it.
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He's not escaping critisicm, only the Misbah party is defending endlessly and is on a war torn path.

Anyone who understands how cricket works knows who's fault it is.
 
I think the inns upto that point given the target and pitch was excusable.

The choice of swinging across the line against Bumrah was horrible and that wicket really made India believe.

No excuse for that shot especially when there were guaranteed overs of Arshdeep and Hardik left where he could have tried same shot with better success percentage. There was also an over of Axar/Jadeja upcoming where he could have tried the offside over cover chip to the shorter boundary again.
 
I hate finger pointing but if that is what we are going to do then priority list would be as follows in batting:

1. Imad Wasim: He came to bat at 14.1 overs and batted through the rest of the game. Yet couldn't even strike run a ball
2. Rizwan: The most atrocious shot selection to arguably the best fast bowler on a difficult pitch, opened the door wide open for India
3. Usman Khan: For me he is a tailender who wasted the chance to score runs when the ball was hard and arguable an easier patch to bat through. Had Fakhar played at 3 with harder ball he would have scored important runs to tilt the game in Pakistan's favour
 
For me the real culprits are Imad, Shadab and Ifthi. All 3 are vastly experienced and they all froze in headlights.

Throwing a Naseem/Shaheen ahead of them might have resulted in more urgency but its a shame if your tailenders are seen as more capable of hitting than your designated lower order.

Its the same for India. Arshdeep was better than both Dube and Jadeja in terms of clarity of thought process while batting
 
there's no main culprit. They lost because as a team they can't bat. Rizwan did something stupid, at the worst time. I think he was tired and he thought he had enough lets go big or get out. but as a team they are rubbish when batting. this wasn't a big score, even if Rizwan played poor and got out for a first ball duck they need 120 win, the team should be able to pull that together with ease.
 
AMSS said:
Babar and Rizwan, both.

It's hilarious to see so many pakistan fans railing against that random Imad like he undid the good work of top/middle order.
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Regardless, first 10 overs we were at the run rate with wickets in hand. Of course ideally Rizwan and Babar got a good start but Imad was trash and never should play again . Along with a few others.
 
Devadwal predicted India can’t win on the day when Modi sworn as PM for third time…. Modiji did it, so Indian team also did it. Poor devadwal
 
Pakistan team has some good players, but they can’t perform as a team…. IMO there is a rift in the team, may be they are taking rivalry of PSL too much
 
I agree. I rewatched our whole batting innings late last to try and make sense of how we lost this wmgame. Without a doubt Rizwan shoulders a lot of the blame.It was a complete nonsensical style of batting and the crazy dismissal was icing of the cake.

I sound like a broken record here as I said this yesterday toobut he defended for a very long time and then on the FIRST ball of India's premier bowler coming on decided to swing across the line. Literally on the First ball of Bumrahs return.

After this the flood gates opened and Imad totally killed the game.
 
Some people will try to make it sound as if Rizwan was the hero who fell at the wrong time, that the champion couldn’t get us across the line…but he showed he is champion quality still…

Absolute Nonsense! Rizwan should have been out in the 4th over giving a simple catch to fine leg. He bottled it twice in the space of 41 balls. He only looked comfortable against a medium pacer like Hardik. This is how he builds his innings in general. Looks to survive against top class bowlers with 4-6 runs max in the over, and then targeting the weak, 5th bowler in the side
 
Match losing innings, all he had to do was manipulate the field, keep his strike rate around 100 and hit the odd boundary. His innings put more pressure on Usman who was struggling big time too.

He needs to play at number 4 or get dropped, you can't change your whole batting line up just to accommodate him. There is no point doing well against B and C teams and then go missing in the big games.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's not escaping critisicm, only the Misbah party is defending endlessly and is on a war torn path.

Anyone who understands how cricket works knows who's fault it is.
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His knock reminded me a lot of Misbah's crappy white ball knocks in his time.
Rizwan has played similarly crappy knocks like the Asia Cup final in 2022 on a chasing pitch in Dubai.

Disclaimer : I actually rate him in the other 2 formats.

But he's a serial match loser in T20I's.

On "Game on Hai" , Guptill, YK and Akhtar all said that Rizwan shouldn't start but Hafeez , obnoxious as ever, shouted them down and said that Rizwan must play no matter what

Shadab was a zero impact player especially since he couldn't be trusted to bowl even a single ball and, imo, should be replaced by Saim. But Rizwan's impact was decidedly negative. Absolutely shocking knock
 
Nikhil_cric said:
His knock reminded me a lot of Misbah's crappy white ball knocks in his time.
Rizwan has played similarly crappy knocks like the Asia Cup final in 2022 on a chasing pitch in Dubai.

Disclaimer : I actually rate him in the other 2 formats.

But he's a serial match loser in T20I's.

On "Game on Hai" , Guptill, YK and Akhtar all said that Rizwan shouldn't start but Hafeez , obnoxious as ever, shouted them down and said that Rizwan must play no matter what

Shadab was a zero impact player especially since he couldn't be trusted to bowl even a single ball and, imo, should be replaced by Saim. But Rizwan's impact was decidedly negative. Absolutely shocking knock
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He blocked pathways for Fakhar and others, he leads from the front but doesn't deliver
 
Nikhil_cric said:
On "Game on Hai" , Guptill, YK and Akhtar all said that Rizwan shouldn't start but Hafeez , obnoxious as ever, shouted them down and said that Rizwan must play no matter what
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Good spot

Hafeez is part of the Misbah clique. I can’t go into details of what goes on behind the scenes but they are all part of a ‘you scratch my back, I scratch yours’ scheme
 
Nabeel23 said:
Match losing innings, all he had to do was manipulate the field, keep his strike rate around 100 and hit the odd boundary. His innings put more pressure on Usman who was struggling big time too.

He needs to play at number 4 or get dropped, you can't change your whole batting line up just to accommodate him. There is no point doing well against B and C teams and then go missing in the big games.
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That's a decent shout.Put him at 4. Get a new opener , 3 5 6 7 . They also need to get rid of Amir and Harris, Harris for all his pace and ability just doesn't have the mental capability to play high top level cricket. Can't bowl to the field and despite him doing well yesterday generally gets hit all over the park. Amir because we need to start planning for the next WC. He won't be there so why keep him in the team. We also need to find either a batting spinner like we had hafeez or even just nurture a specialist spinner. Can't believe a Pakistan side can't play with a single decent spinner .
 
Rana said:
When we fail it’s a collective batting failure

When we succeed, it’s only possible because Babar and Rizwan do the bulk scoring?

You guys are the problem!!
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it was a collective failure. Even if Babar and Rizwan got out for 0 ducks. The team should still be able to score 120 runs . Im not saying they aren't to blame. Babar's captaincy and Rizwan's stupidity aided the loss but we didn't lose just because of them.
 
Misbahs_tuktuk said:
it was a collective failure. Even if Babar and Rizwan got out for 0 ducks. The team should still be able to score 120 runs . Im not saying they aren't to blame. Babar's captaincy and Rizwan's stupidity aided the loss but we didn't lose just because of them.
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No it’s not a “collective batting failure”

You can’t blame a batting order that is set up, without any balance for 2 guys who shouldn’t be opening the innings to bat in the top 2.

This is a collective cricketing failure that has reached the peak of its nonsense after 4 years of zero learning!
 
Culprits are Iftikhar, Shadab and Imad. They had run a ball to get when they got in. 48 balls, 48 runs. The hard work had already been done by the Top 4. Anyone that can't see this should stop watching cricket
 
Usman Chadda said:
It was a collective batting failure.

People trying to defend Rizwan or Imad should take a hard look at themselves.

Rizwan’s stupid shot against Bumrah and Imad’s complete shutdown led to this disaster.
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Everyone has already said that.

Every game is a collective effort. When a team fails they fail, when the succeed they succeed. Only respite are given to people who try and stand put like fakhar did with his 193 against SA with zero backing.

You guys need to stop operating on the whole attack for favourites.

It's the same analogy of when a person is thin he must be sick, when a person is fat he must be lazy, if a person is am introvert they must be outcasts, when a person is an extrovert they must be a show off.

it's the same here, if rizwan fails and we point is out, we must be haters. If rizwan succeeds and we point it out, we must have hidden agendas

Make up your mind.
 
Salman Butt during a program on Youtube channel criticised Pakistan team performance against India:

"They always find a way to lose straightforward matches, while other teams do the opposite; they turn around difficult situations and win the game. We complicate easy situations for ourselves. We struggle to hold our nerves. The shot of Rizwan in that specific situation, and Fakhar who was trying to hit the ball, what are you doing? You know this wicket is such that if 1-2 wickets fall, it becomes difficult for the new batter. You hit a six and a four; Mohammad Rizwan's only job was to play till the end. This is not a pitch where you can just hit shots and expect them to cross the ropes."

"We talk a lot about learning, almost in all press conferences, but we don't learn anything. In fact, I think we've forgotten what we already knew, unfortunately."

"I think the bowlers did their job well. Today the pitch was better than before; it was not as dangerous as we witnessed in previous matches. It was not an easy pitch to bat on, but not very difficult like on previous occasions."

"India, I guess, got all out for 119 due to their extravagance, but at one moment it seemed like they would score 140 or 150 on this pitch. I think they were 85/2 in 11 overs, and they played some poor shots to get out, but so did Pakistan."

"Pakistan complicates the match for themselves. Iftikhar Ahmed got out on a full toss, Fakhar Zaman played a poor shot, Imad Wasim was hitting from the back foot, and Shadab Khan was doing the same. You seem to be so limited and such an easy team to work out. Everyone knows they have to bowl to your body or they know what shot you play well and won't let you play it."
 
Rana said:
No it’s not a “collective batting failure”

You can’t blame a batting order that is set up, without any balance for 2 guys who shouldn’t be opening the innings to bat in the top 2.

This is a collective cricketing failure that has reached the peak of its nonsense after 4 years of zero learning!
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Their isn't any pleasing people.

Azam Khan strikes at 300 sr against Ireland and we say wow pretty decent for this game. They'll say, how dare you support such a crap player.

If Azam Khan fails and now we attack and point out how crap he is in remaining games it's, Haha we were right, you were calling him mark Henry.

Every single conversation is like this. People don't understand every game is different, and all topics should progress from game to game hence match analysis is a thing.

If rizwan did garbage in this game their no meed to go back 4 years into the past to highlight some specific point about a forgotten game where he did good.
 
Although it's not right to pin point individuals after loss but sometimes it's important to expose individuals who are playing continuously at their desired position since 7-8 years but fails at every big occasion.

1. Babar: why this guy fails everytime whenever his team needs him most? He is the first one to surrender when the team needs him most

2. Rizwan: was to too slow throughout the innings, it's can still be accepted considering the low target but the way he got out by playing that rubbish shot is unpardonable

3. Imad Wasim: one of the worst batting display I have ever seen. Player 23 balls, almost 4 overs but can't rotate strike, can't hit boundaries,

4. Iftikhar Ahmed: don't know why he is in the team under which qouta? This guy has zero achievement in international cricket

Fakhar & Shadab also failed but atleast they were trying to score runs. PCB should change the whole team by replacing these experienced players with one's even if comes at the cost of loosing some other series
 
mominsaigol said:
Everyone has already said that.

Every game is a collective effort. When a team fails they fail, when the succeed they succeed. Only respite are given to people who try and stand put like fakhar did with his 193 against SA with zero backing.

You guys need to stop operating on the whole attack for favourites.

It's the same analogy of when a person is thin he must be sick, when a person is fat he must be lazy, if a person is am introvert they must be outcasts, when a person is an extrovert they must be a show off.

it's the same here, if rizwan fails and we point is out, we must be haters. If rizwan succeeds and we point it out, we must have hidden agendas

Make up your mind.
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You are on record here categorically saying ‘Imad, Shadab and Iftikhar were not to blame for the defeat’.

How is this acknowledging a collective batting effort?

You are operating on attacking players you don’t like, that’s all most of you are doing since yesterday.

How difficult is it to acknowledge Imad Wasim’s inept batting performance, alongside Rizwan’s deplorable shot against Bumrah?

It’s sad to see how there is a clear divide still, with either side making up ridiculous claims to defend Imad or Rizwan yesterday.

I also read here that Axar Patel bowled ‘unplayable’ deliveries to restrict Imad. I’m quite sure even the most delusional fans should not be saying that.
 
Rana said:
Some people will try to make it sound as if Rizwan was the hero who fell at the wrong time, that the champion couldn’t get us across the line…but he showed he is champion quality still…

Absolute Nonsense! Rizwan should have been out in the 4th over giving a simple catch to fine leg. He bottled it twice in the space of 41 balls. He only looked comfortable against a medium pacer like Hardik. This is how he builds his innings in general. Looks to survive against top class bowlers with 4-6 runs max in the over, and then targeting the weak, 5th bowler in the side
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In order to be a cricket player, technique needs to be their. Yes some cricketers like maxwell, Sehwag, chanderpaul have questionable amd unique stances but the fundamentals are their.

Aka good footwork, timing, front foot and backfoot fundamentals, shot selection. So even if maxwell stands and looks more like baseball player, he has all the fundamentals.

Avg and sr and these paper statistics useless arguments aside. Someone like him who basically gets mocked for trying to imitate hockey playstyles every game by the commentators and to this day doesn't actually have a proper cricketing stroke besides inside out drive which I haven't seen him play since the world cup, was never going to succeed.

He doesn't have the shot selection, footwork and frankly he doesn't even the mentality to be an international level opener
 
FearlessRoar said:
"They always find a way to lose straightforward matches, while other teams do the opposite; they turn around difficult situations and win the game. We complicate easy situations for ourselves. We struggle to hold our nerves. The shot of Rizwan in that specific situation, and Fakhar who was trying to hit the ball, what are you doing? You know this wicket is such that if 1-2 wickets fall, it becomes difficult for the new batter. You hit a six and a four; Mohammad Rizwan's only job was to play till the end. This is not a pitch where you can just hit shots and expect them to cross the ropes."
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I’m surprised this Salman Butt didn’t mention ‘muscle memory’ and mock ‘intent’ when criticising Rizwan
 
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Shahid Afridi said in a video message after Pakistan's loss to India:

"We had to chase only 120 runs, when on this pitch India was short by 35-40 runs. But due to the disciplined bowling of their bowlers, we couldn't chase 120 runs in 120 balls."

"We always say bowlers have conceded more runs because we have such a mindset that we will not score more. Despite having a strong batting lineup, we couldn't chase the target. I am out of words; all I can do is feel regret."
 
Usman Chadda said:
I also read here that Axar Patel bowled ‘unplayable’ deliveries to restrict Imad. I’m quite sure even the most delusional fans should not be saying that.
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Axar is one of the hardest bowler to put away in IPL. He's not a turner but his use of angles, crease, length and bounce is as good as it gets. He wasn't unplayable but Imad being a lower order batsman was out of his depth against him.
 
AMSS said:
Axar is one of the hardest bowler to put away in IPL. He's not a turner but his use of angles, crease, length and bounce is as good as it gets. He wasn't unplayable but Imad being a lower order batsman was out of his depth against him.
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If I appreciate this from a cricketing POV…@major has the right to say I am making excuses for Imad?
 
Rana said:
If I appreciate this from a cricketing POV…@major has the right to say I am making excuses for Imad?
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Here's a stat. This IPL witnessed the highest batting averages and SR and bowlers had nowhere to hide.

Of all the bowlers who bowled more than 40 overs this IPL, only Bumrah and Narine had a better economy rate than Axar. He's that good.

3rd best ER of all.

Pakistan fans are being delusional if they think Imad had a chance against this guy.
 
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