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India [156/2] defeat New Zealand [157] by 8 wickets [DLS Method] in the 1st ODI

Dingolfy said:
LoL at Desi fans hyping up Pandya.:wahab2 He has a bollwing average of 40.95 with an economy of 5.55. and bowls mostly short of length deliveries. Hadly anything great to write about. And being 'Phasht' doesn't mean nothing in this age of pattas unless you have the skills and accuracy to go with it.
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Aren't you the guy who used to celebrate Pant's each and every failure when he had just debuted and used to defend Dhoni saying there's nobody else fit to replace him?

Sure, you are the one to speak about talent. :)
 
jagatk said:
What happens when they can't, you don't pick teams expecting the best from everyone otherwise we might as well pick 8 bowlers because barring the top 3 no other Indian batsmen are reliable.
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then you hope dhoni, jadav, karthik, jadeja come good...

iirc jadav has a century at number 6 chasing a big score
 
rhony said:
Bro every wicket from Jadav from times immemorial seems lucky. He's a thinking bowler. Remember Dhawan saying in an interview that he's very difficult to get away in the nets and Indian team started testing him in ODIs
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Don't know about other wickets. This was a result of a brilliant catch by Kuldeep diving to his right.
 
Dhoni's role is to stay at one end and guide the middle and lower order. Pandya will follow instructions and can smack the ball. Bhuvi can't wcore boundaries with ease as Pandya does. Shami, Bumrah, Chahal are useless with the bat. Kuldeep can hold the bat and that's about it. It's imperative that Pandya is in the team soon
 
yuvi said:
Too early to say that. NZ still can get to a good score if they can have their batsmen batting in the last 10. We have no bumrah.
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Thats the scary part they are absolutely hammering teams and that to without the best bowler in the world bumrah just imagine when bumrah comes back. They have just lost they 5th wicket no chance of a comeback for kiwis. Strength in depth india have is insane atm. Best bowling and batting in the world. Never have i seen a team soo dominant.
 
rhony said:
Yes and so were other wickets. People think they can smash him.and get out.
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Kedhar Jadhav is highly under rated.

His 10 overs in the middle will decide if India is winning the World Cup or not.

But most people want him out so he probably wont stick around.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Kedhar Jadhav is highly under rated.

His 10 overs in the middle will decide if India is winning the World Cup or not.

But most people want him out so he probably wont stick around.
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Coz his fielding is pathetic and he is never going to be a stable middle order batsman against big scores coz his fitness, he does bowl well though.
 
Chokli said:
i was expecting 340+ score..

these kiwis cannot read pitches and conditions in their own backyard
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India for their own good needs to chase such a total. Otherwise Tony will poke around make another 50 and flunk in the world cup while chasing 320.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India for their own good needs to chase such a total. Otherwise Tony will poke around make another 50 and flunk in the world cup while chasing 320.
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honestly with their bowling line up, i doubt any team will be scoring 300+ against them
 
JaDed said:
Coz his fielding is pathetic and he is never going to be a stable middle order batsman against big scores coz his fitness, he does bowl well though.
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yes Jadhav is like glass. lol Middle of the game he will easily break down and leave the team high and dry. Unreliable.
 
Oligochaetes said:
What the hell's going on!

121-5 : 26.2

Didnt expect this when NZ won the toss
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It's going to put the Australian venture into context for a lot of people as Indian bowling "appeared" devastating because of the Aus line-up, not despite it.

That's not to say majority didn't recognize that Indian bowling did quite well nonetheless.
 
Chokli said:
honestly with their bowling line up, i doubt any team will be scoring 300+ against them
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England can score. Even NZ can score. I expect them to do in the next matches. Despite the quality of Indian bowling, NZ has good quality as well with bat.
 
Wahid1234 said:
Thats the scary part they are absolutely hammering teams and that to without the best bowler in the world bumrah just imagine when bumrah comes back. They have just lost they 5th wicket no chance of a comeback for kiwis. Strength in depth india have is insane atm. Best bowling and batting in the world. Never have i seen a team soo dominant.
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Well ou spinners are exceptional in ODIs. I was anticipating batsmen will play them better with time. Hasn't happened yet. Batting still driven by top 3. At the moment we are a more of bowling side than batting.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Kedhar Jadhav is highly under rated.

His 10 overs in the middle will decide if India is winning the World Cup or not.

But most people want him out so he probably wont stick around.
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I think he sealed his place with that 50 in the 3rd ODI was AUS
 
jnaveen1980 said:
England can score. Even NZ can score. I expect them to do in the next matches. Despite the quality of Indian bowling, NZ has good quality as well with bat.
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i think kuldeep and chahal need to play together to tie down the opposition

and then you have bumrah + shami... and if conditions are right bhuvi is a handful.

you pretty much have all the bowlers for any given condition

pretty jealous as a pakistani fan lol
 
This is why you don't drop class batsman like Williamson. He is making them pay with beautiful innings even though not enterprising but very determined knock so far.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is why you don't drop class batsman like Williamson. He is making them pay with beautiful innings even though not enterprising but very determined knock so far.
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meh, like you said, indians need some sort of a target to chase :-P
 
AMSS said:
Aren't you the guy who used to celebrate Pant's each and every failure when he had just debuted and used to defend Dhoni saying there's nobody else fit to replace him?

Sure, you are the one to speak about talent. :)
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LOL.Why so serious? I am against hype without substance. When Indian fans were hyping Pant here, he had not shown much ability. Struggled against Windies and also was failure in A team tours then. And i have changed my opinion when he came finally good in A team tour in England.
And at that moment, we had no replacement for Dhoni. And now Pant has shown his ability and is a worthy successor.
Unlike most Desi fans, I am not emotional and judge players on their actual showing on field.

Now tell me again, What has Pandya had done till now in LOIs that is worth the hype?
 
yuvi said:
Well ou spinners are exceptional in ODIs. I was anticipating batsmen will play them better with time. Hasn't happened yet. Batting still driven by top 3. At the moment we are a more of bowling side than batting.
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I disagree with you there both the batting and bowling are equally strong for india top are insane and with Dhoni returning to form batting is equally as good. With Pandya still to come back and pant and pandey waiting in the wings that is some talent there.
 
I am not sure why NZ collapses here. There is no real lateral movement . May be some seam movement i suppose. Just accurate bowling. Boult has to step up for them. Indian top order has starting trouble agianst lefties.
 
We all need to wait for India to come to bat but Kiwi batsmen are struggling here and Bumrah isn't there..
 
Get to 240 and give the bowlers something. If we can knock off the top order for little, 240 is going to look a long away for the others.

Poor batting today, but should be able to turn around for next game.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I am not sure why NZ collapses here. There is no real lateral movement . May be some seam movement i suppose. Just accurate bowling. Boult has to step up for them. Indian top order has starting trouble agianst lefties.
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We always have the odd game where we collapse and rely on a partnership and late order hitting to get a big score.

Not surprising when you have Guptill and Munro opening.
 
Aman said:
We always have the odd game where we collapse and rely on a partnership and late order hitting to get a big score.

Not surprising when you have Guptill and Munro opening.
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So are you saying you won't collapse in all other matches?(4)
 
Chahal, Shami brilliant bowling supported by Kuldeep's beauties. They have to target 5th bowling now.
 
Chokli said:
then you hope dhoni, jadav, karthik, jadeja come good...

iirc jadav has a century at number 6 chasing a big score
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Dhoni can't hit to save his life, jadhav is a no 6 lock in for me but he can't score 10 ball 20-25, kartik is useless against non mediocre bowling and less said the better for rayudu the ultimate Zimbabwe basher. Jadeja averages 16 and 22 in last 2 years
at a SR below 100.
 
India bowling has sorted it out nicely for the world cup

Pacers: bumrah, bhuvui, shami
Spinners : chahal, kuldeep
All-rounders : Pandya, Jadeja

I think there is no need of further experiments and we should lock these 7 for the world cup.
 
JaDed said:
So are you saying you won't collapse in all other matches?(4)
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I expect them to bat better than they have today because of the poor batting performance. They'll be a lot more cautious and look to hit when they're in.

They'll also do a lot more work against the spin, probably didn't study up much on them but will use the footage from this game to be better prepared for the rest of the series.
 
Aman said:
Get to 240 and give the bowlers something. If we can knock off the top order for little, 240 is going to look a long away for the others.

Poor batting today, but should be able to turn around for next game.
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LOL.240 is walk-in-park on this postcard-size ground even for Rayudu. You need to score 280 plus and your bowlers need to bowl out of their skins. Remember, even Lankans who couldn't buy a run against other teams were murdering your bowlers on these grounds.
 
Aman said:
Get to 240 and give the bowlers something. If we can knock off the top order for little, 240 is going to look a long away for the others.

Poor batting today, but should be able to turn around for next game.
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On NZ grounds no total is impossible to achieve from any position. You can have a 5 over burst and score around 60 runs easily here.
 
Wahid1234 said:
I disagree with you there both the batting and bowling are equally strong for india top are insane and with Dhoni returning to form batting is equally as good. With Pandya still to come back and pant and pandey waiting in the wings that is some talent there.
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In batting lack of talent is not the issue. But we are sticking with few mediocre players. That's the problem.
 
Aman said:
I expect them to bat better than they have today because of the poor batting performance. They'll be a lot more cautious and look to hit when they're in.

They'll also do a lot more work against the spin, probably didn't study up much on them but will use the footage from this game to be better prepared for the rest of the series.
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You do realize India should be playing catchup here and not kiwis..although tbf India has still not come to bat.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
On NZ grounds no total is impossible to achieve from any position. You can have a 5 over burst and score around 60 runs easily here.
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You didn't win a single game here last series and were lucky to walk out with a tie for one of the matches.
 
JaDed said:
You do realize India should be playing catchup here and not kiwis..although tbf India has still not come to bat.
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This is how we play against all teams, irrespective of quality.
 
Aman said:
You didn't win a single game here last series and were lucky to walk out with a tie for one of the matches.
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Different team. Different circumstances. Anyway i was talking about NZ getting to 240 plus. Not Indian batting. If Rohit is in the zone here this match wil be over in 25 overs.
 
Aman said:
You didn't win a single game here last series and were lucky to walk out with a tie for one of the matches.
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Believe me NZ ODI hurts me personally the most, still remember the failure before 2003 WC, somehow we struggle a lot in NZ but I'm hopefully of this Indian team but damn they didn't pickup GILL :facepalm:

Aman said:
This is how we play against all teams, irrespective of quality.
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Naw we pretty much lose it out there in NZ, so maybe other teams not us.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Different team. Different circumstances. Anyway i was talking about NZ getting to 240 plus. Not Indian batting. If Rohit is in the zone here this match wil be over in 25 overs.
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240 is an ideal score for Dhoni to tuk-tuk to victory
 
I always consider NZ as favorites in NZ. Even the great AUstralian side got canned here being unable to protect 300 plus totals. They know the angle, they know how to bowl here, they are a better fielding unit.
 
Aman said:
You didn't win a single game here last series and were lucky to walk out with a tie for one of the matches.
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4 years is too long. This is the Indian team that smashed the Saffers, Aussies and everyone except Eng. It;s the rightful No.2 and they are showing why they are No.2 despite all their flaws. Its just quality bowling that NZ haven't faced for ages
 
Pak was on top of NZ before rain saved them. SL is just a poor ODI team.
 
Wristies are such a valuable asset in one dayers. Samsu for SA, Tahir for SA, Rashid for England, Kul/Cha for India, Shadab for Pakistan, Zampa for OZ, Sodhi for NZ.
 
Williamson gone... Thats what Quality spinners can do. He even had a chance in this game
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I always consider NZ as favorites in NZ. Even the great AUstralian side got canned here being unable to protect 300 plus totals. They know the angle, they know how to bowl here, they are a better fielding unit.
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Eh, India are 90% guaranteed to win any match with sub 220 total, unless there is a batting collapse. Dhoni himself is quite reliable when target is small. NZ will have to perform a miracle to win today.
 
I'm happy finally someone is showing NZ their true colors. I still can't digest how we lost to this mediocre side of all places in UAE.
 
These two guys Chahal/Kuldeep are a delight to watch. They bowl old fashioned wrist spin. They just rely on flight. They don't dart like modern day spinners.
 
Shandarchowka said:
I'm happy finally someone is showing NZ their true colors. I still can't digest how we lost to this mediocre side of all places in UAE.
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You didn't. It was a drawn series and rain saved NZ in the third game
 
ANother one dragged on. Kuldeep rewarded with a bonus wicket for such a beautiful bowling in this match. Figures don't suggest how well he bowled in this match.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Eh, India are 90% guaranteed to win any match with sub 220 total, unless there is a batting collapse. Dhoni himself is quite reliable when target is small. NZ will have to perform a miracle to win today.
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I mean in general. because of ground sizes.
 
Dingolfy said:
LOL.Why so serious? I am against hype without substance. When Indian fans were hyping Pant here, he had not shown much ability. Struggled against Windies and also was failure in A team tours then. And i have changed my opinion when he came finally good in A team tour in England.
And at that moment, we had no replacement for Dhoni. And now Pant has shown his ability and is a worthy successor.
Unlike most Desi fans, I am not emotional and judge players on their actual showing on field.

Now tell me again, What has Pandya had done till now in LOIs that is worth the hype?
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It seems like you have somehow learnt to type in English but sans any understanding or logic. A word salad, in other words.

Pant *had* shown ability, and that's why he was hyped. The key was not to judge him based on a few early results and to show patience. Everyone who hyped him stands vindicated while you have been made to look like a fool. Being a little Dhoni cheergirl blinded you to the reality. Hopefully you have managed to wipe the drool you accumulated from Pant's few initial failure.

Similarly with Pandya. The Indian team management know exactly the value he brings to the team and you'll see how he'd come straight into the playing XI once the karan johar drama blows over.

But keep LOLing and LMAOing in the meanwhile.
 
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