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India [189, 274] defeat Australia [276, 112] in the 2nd Test by 75 runs to level the series 1-1

Kohli started with a 3rd man & sweeper - looks like not that attacking after all. This is on a rank turner after batting first; I wonder what he'll do defending 189 in SAF batting first?
 
Aman said:
SOK 12, Lyon 8 (so far).

Ashwin's Test record *
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The series vs SA had some terrible pitches where Ashwin avgd 11 with the ball. Again, in this series, the pitches have been way too friendly to spinners. The balance is lacking surely.

However, when you exclude these two series, the pitches were very good and balance between ball and bat was fantastic.

Ashwin avgs 25 with the bowl and when you exclude these two series, his avg drops to 26.98 with him still to perform overseas.

Having said that, on these pitches any above average spinner can run through a not-so-great spin playing side.
 
Poor team selection again! Why choose a seamer (that too of the class of these two bowlers!) Umesh was enough, should have gone with another proper spinner. Indian seamers should never play together unless the pitch is extremely flat.
 
RamLakhan said:
Poor team selection again! Why choose a seamer (that too of the class of these two bowlers!) Umesh was enough, should have gone with another proper spinner. Indian seamers should never play together unless the pitch is extremely flat.
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I was praying and hoping Kuldeep plays.

Don't understand the point of Ishant on these pitches. He cannot even bowl economically.

If Hazlewood is the ineffective on these pitches, what would Ishant do?
 
soso_killer said:
who's CA pitch curator?
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We don't have one. Australia would be an easier place to manage though because we only have the six states. I know when lets say NSW wants to take some shield games to another city in NSW they get the SCG curator to oversea it and make sure its up to first class standard.
 
Aman said:
Seeing how well Aus have done, wouldn't you back yourselves to win a series in India? You're more settled now.
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Not really, Amla has been inconsistent over the last two years or so. We can't rely on AB either nor Steyn for that matter.
I don't think any of our spinners are fit enough to lace Lyon or O'Keefe's boots.
 
Beautiful drop there couple more off these and we will see another Steve Smith type flukey 100s from the aussies :)
 
troodon said:
I was praying and hoping Kuldeep plays.

Don't understand the point of Ishant on these pitches. He cannot even bowl economically.

If Hazlewood is the ineffective on these pitches, what would Ishant do?
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The entire coach staff is exposed in this series (I was never happier before it either). They were on a jolly raid against average teams on flat pitches at home! Wonder what happens when we tour overseas. Pure lack of tactics! Didn't they learn anything from last match?
 
In the match against Bangladesh vs India many posters who watched the match said our fielding was poor with a lot of drops and midfields. India's fielding in tests have been poor as well. Lots of drops and not using the Drs properly.

Lack of concentration if you ask me. India in loi is generally a good fielding side.
 
KL Rahul pefroms when everyone else fails and vice versa. India should pray he fails next innings
 
Ashwin is under the pressure of matching his opposition counterparts (This is almost similar to bowling outside SC)! All these days he was on a one way jolly ride with average opposition teams getting suffocated.
 
Nobody expected australia to humiliate india like this. Fans and players both were overconfident. This is why I was saying to keep your feet on the ground and don't think we have become world beaters after winning some home series.
 
NZ lost because they are bang average. It's not as if they got roads like England whose rubbish spinners had no way of breaching through Indian batsmen. When you lose convincingly after scoring 400+ multiple times, you can only point fingers at the bowling.

On rank-turners or pitches with a considerable assistance (like the ones NZ got), every team will beat NZ except for Zimbabwe.

In Test cricket at the moment, they can only win on the Wimbledon courts that they dish out at home, which brings their quality seamers into play.
 
Ok Ashwin is bowling trash. India will be humiliated again.

He is bowling too full and not putting on enough revs on the ball. Poor from Ashwin.
 
Aus are playing on a different pitch.

Ashwin ineffective. He is not spinning the ball at pace level me Lyon and Okeefe did.

This is like swann and Monty all over again.

India deserves this humiliation for doctoring the pitches.
 
Mamoon said:
NZ lost because they are bang average. It's not as if they got roads like England whose rubbish spinners had no way of breaching through Indian batsmen. When you lose convincingly after scoring 400+ multiple times, you can only point fingers at the bowling.

On rank-turners or pitches with a considerable assistance (like the ones NZ got), every team will beat NZ except for Zimbabwe.

In Test cricket at the moment, they can only win on the Wimbledon courts that they dish out at home, which brings their quality seamers into play.
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Maybe if you watched a game on those Wimbledon courts, you'd realize how deceiving they are and how difficult it is to pick up wickets from day 1, session 3/day 2 on wards. Then there's our toss record to consider which ensures we rarely bowl first and make use of conditions.
 
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Ashwin looking innocuous so far could mental and physical fatigue be creeping in after such a long home season.
 
Aman said:
Maybe if you watched a game on those Wimbledon courts, you'd realize how deceiving they are and how difficult it is to pick up wickets from day 1, session 3/day 2 on wards. Then there's our toss record to consider which ensures we rarely bowl first and make use of conditions.
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Don't try to justify those pitches. It's a considerable advantage against Asian teams. Yes it won't serve well against non-Asian sides, who are capable of giving NZ a taste of their own medicine. The bottom line is that you got hammered in India not because you faced another Kohli, but because your spinners are even worse than that of England's, and your batting in Tests is a one man show whom you continue to underrate because he's not flash in ODIs and T20s like Guptill. You will not beat Australia on these pitches or England on the pitches they played. Both teams will out-bat and out-bowl you.
 
When India win on these dodgy pitches, it's home advantages. When it backfires, fire the curator, claim pitch doctoring.
 
Not one ball spun alarmingly when Ash and Jaddu bowled.

So credit to Lyon for putting in all those revs and making the pitch and ball talk.

India will be pounded in this test too.
 
Renshaw has added a lot of stability for the Aussies there's no longer a customary wicket up the order. They are coming along nicely, and we should be scared as opposition fans. We definately don't want another dynasty.
 
itsme said:
Previous spin bowling attacks were rubbish,first time they are playing quality spin on their turners,if elgar can run through you quality spinner like lyon will rip you apart(even if the sa pitches were harder)
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Then why did Lyon average 37 in 2013 turners?
 
Mamoon said:
Don't try to justify those pitches. It's a considerable advantage against Asian teams. Yes it won't serve well against non-Asian sides, who are capable of giving NZ a taste of their own medicine. The bottom line is that you got hammered in India not because you faced another Kohli, but because your spinners are even worse than that of England's, and your batting in Tests is a one man show whom you continue to underrate because he's not flash in ODIs and T20s like Guptill. You will not beat Australia on these pitches or England on the pitches they played. Both teams will out-bat and out-bowl you.
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I never made a comment on our ability to play spin, I was referring to your exaggeration of our wickets. Anyone who has watched a game in NZ before will tell you the grass cover is deceiving and you never truly get the ball hooping around like you would think, by day 2 the pitch is a road that ANYONE can score on so don't start on that nonsense of SC sides not doing well. India and SL have scored runs on these same wickets.
 
As for the series against India, yeah we were in positions of strength at times but Kohli stood up and quickly put India into the ascendancy. It's not silly to think if he had failed we wouldn't have been able to push India much closer.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Then why did Lyon average 37 in 2013 turners?
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You are exactly right, the performance in this series is more to do with current Indian Batting Unit! We were never so weak with batting. I think this series has come as a blessing in disguise! This series should tell that Pujara, Rahane & Vijay should not be in our lineup anymore. After this series we would have gone overseas (and excuses!) Now these 3 guys will probably still get some overseas tours, if they fail again that should end them up!

We have to tighten it up really if we have to go anywhere near the fab-5 level of our Test batting tradition!
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Then why did Lyon average 37 in 2013 turners?
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Bowlers learn from past expeirence especially if they are first time playing in certain conditions, since last tour Lyon has had 2 more sub cont tours its natural he has done more homework this time do you expect Kohli to average 12 on next english tour again?
 
vandokkum said:
Harbhajan and Ganguly are both genius. India will definitely win 4-0
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Can't tease them too much for the prediction....India came up for the series after dismantling top quality side likes SA,ENG,NUZ so that was so natural to except against a comparatively new aus team

But apparently aus is well prepared and their spinners are delivering what other visiting team spinners lacks
 
Xoib said:
Bowlers learn from past expeirence especially if they are first time playing in certain conditions, since last tour Lyon has had 2 more sub cont tours its natural he has done more homework this time do you expect Kohli to average 12 on next english tour again?
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Yes but Lyon averaged horrible in the UAE and SL tour too.

He has improved now but all past data points prove that Lyon was a better bowler outside Asia than in Asia.

Kohli's case is different cos he was doing fine in SA, NZ and Aus while he failed in Eng unlike Lyon in Asia.

Anyways, right now, Lyon seems to be truly bowling very well and also helped by some stunning batting by our side.
 
Aus have bowled well no doubt but Indians playing the worst cricket of their careers have played a part too, none of the 3 innings India played should have gone below 350 by any stretch of imagination,this was a 450+ wicket on Day 1
 
Can someone please explain how India have suddenly become terrible at playing spin?

I'm thinking it's because Australia brought a totally menacing attack. You can't leave grass on the pitch or Starc and Hazlewood will take wickets, so make them dry. Then the problem is O'Keefe even at his worst is an economical bowler. There'll be no freebies from him like there were from Rashid and Sodhi leaking one boundary an over without fail. Lyon, well he's copped a few thrashings in the past in Asia but on a pitch that spins he's going to be a threat - even before this tour he had a few big performances for Australia in Asia where he took wickets.

England always had two or three bowlers that released pressure, and NZ had at least one in Sodhi. Australia have brought none (maybe you can get after Lyon on flat pitches like Pakistan did in Australia). Maybe it's the relentless pressure and the lack of easy runs that are stopping India from scoring at least ~250 run totals. Guaranteed if Australia had a Rashid or Moeen or Sodhi India would score at least 40-50 runs more per innings than they have all series.
 
Was looking forward to team selections and all.Very disappointed by Kohli :facepalm:

Talks so big about 5 bowlers,goes to 4 after one loss

that 4 includes Ishant who didnt do anything last match either.

Jayant meanwhile dropped after one bad game.That too on a turner.Atleast play Kuldeep but no Ishant

Seriously hoping Vijay is just injured
 
Pantani said:
Can someone please explain how India have suddenly become terrible at playing spin?

I'm thinking it's because Australia brought a totally menacing attack. You can't leave grass on the pitch or Starc and Hazlewood will take wickets, so make them dry. Then the problem is O'Keefe even at his worst is an economical bowler. There'll be no freebies from him like there were from Rashid and Sodhi leaking one boundary an over without fail. Lyon, well he's copped a few thrashings in the past in Asia but on a pitch that spins he's going to be a threat - even before this tour he had a few big performances for Australia in Asia where he took wickets.

England always had two or three bowlers that released pressure, and NZ had at least one in Sodhi. Australia have brought none (maybe you can get after Lyon on flat pitches like Pakistan did in Australia). Maybe it's the relentless pressure and the lack of easy runs that are stopping India from scoring at least ~250 run totals. Guaranteed if Australia had a Rashid or Moeen or Sodhi India would score at least 40-50 runs more per innings than they have all series.
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Sudden?Happening since 2012 atleast :))

Nothing changed
 
Saurav said:
Sudden?Happening since 2012 atleast :))

Nothing changed
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Forget that, look at season 2016/17, even take it as far back as Sri Lanka 2015. Herath got on top of you once, that's it. You treated Kaushal like a club bowler when I see Kaushal as the next ATG spinner. Then in 2016 Tahir and Elgar and Duminy got a few wickets, but they were all on horrible dustbowls so understandable.

Then Santner and Sodhi came and were thrashed. Moeen, Rashid, Zafar, Batty tried next and all were phainty'd. And then it was Shakib's and Miraz's turn to be flogged. Basically in two years the only spinner to really trouble India was Herath, which again is understandable since he's the best in the world.

So my explanation for why Lyon and O'Keefe have been so good is because the pitches haven't been dead flat and because the entire Australian attack is high class with no weak links leaking boundaries and easing pressure on Indian batsmen.
 
Give credit to aus.

Lyon looked like taking wicket every ball. When th conditions are helpful, Lyon can destroy opposition.

Even in the Adelaide test, in Day-5 when the ball was turning square, only Kohli could play Lyon. Rest of them looked like Tailenders.

You need to put a lot of revs on the ball when the pitch is helpful. Do not give the batsman time to adjust.

Difference is, when Lyon was bowling, there was absolutely no time to adjust for the batsman. He was spinning they a place at pace. Ashwin is getting slow turn. Loads of time for the batsman to adjust. Also, Ashwin is over pitching he ball. Getting easily driven for singles.
 
Steep learning curve for Indian batsmen, this is the first time they've been challenged by actual spinners. They will out much better batsmen after this series.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes but Lyon averaged horrible in the UAE and SL tour too.

He has improved now but all past data points prove that Lyon was a better bowler outside Asia than in Asia.

Kohli's case is different cos he was doing fine in SA, NZ and Aus while he failed in Eng unlike Lyon in Asia.

Anyways, right now, Lyon seems to be truly bowling very well and also helped by some stunning batting by our side.
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Lyon was handled horribly by mickey and micheal on that tour dropped in 2 games still managed a 7 fer so he always had the game for India.In Uae on flat day one pitches he ran in to Younis Khan in god mode,in that series even Murali would have struggled to stop him, in Sl he bowled well in patches and i believe the recent expierence of that tour is helping him on this tour.
 
Was the pitch another rank turner, or was it better than the previous match?

India dropped a spinner for a batsman, so I'm assuming it's a typical desi wicket that gonna be flat initially and turn later on in the test.
 
What kind of team are we? Can't win outside india, depend too much on opposition's weakness to not play spin and wait for them to collapse. If that doesn't happen we get performances like these. If we go back to flat wickets australians will murder us.

I also want to see Glen Maxwell in the next match.
 
Lol

What's going on with india?
Still got a long way to go yet
 
The Indian batsman have been so meek, hardly able to rotate the strike or score more than 2 an over. Australians are still terrible players of spin, but you need a score on the board first, and 100 all-out is not a score.
 
Xoib said:
Lyon was handled horribly by mickey and micheal on that tour dropped in 2 games still managed a 7 fer so he always had the game for India.In Uae on flat day one pitches he ran in to Younis Khan in god mode,in that series even Murali would have struggled to stop him, in Sl he bowled well in patches and i believe the recent expierence of that tour is helping him on this tour.
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Yeah his experiences are helping him but I don't think if a bowler can be called handled badly if he bowls badly across several tours, under several coaches. Lyon outside Asia has been very good but in Asia, he has been good in patches as you say.

Indian batsmen's ineptitude plays a huge role too. We gave O Keefe 12 wickets last game but watch him bowl today. Calling him average would be an understatement.

Anyways, Lyon has done well this tour. He was bowling with more overspin than sidespin (his usual mode of bowling) which is what is needed on this pitch where there is more bounce and good turn from one end (the other end only one wicket fell and that too due to a false shot off a pacer).
 
Aussies will need to post over 300 here, otherwise game on. A lead less than 100 might look handy, but Aussies won't like to chase over 150 here. If, somehow, IND manages a lead, even by a single run, Aussies will have no chance.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
What kind of team are we? Can't win outside india, depend too much on opposition's weakness to not play spin and wait for them to collapse. If that doesn't happen we get performances like these. If we go back to flat wickets australians will murder us.

I also want to see Glen Maxwell in the next match.
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If the next 2 wickets are similar to last one or this one, I think Aussies will drop new Kieth Miller for Maxi.
 
First 2 sessions today will settle this match. India can still win. But there's no excuse for India's poor performance at home, they got exposed by quality spin bowling. How can India not play spin properly when they have No 1 and 2 bowler in the world, both of whom are spinners. Ridiculous
 
India v Australia | 2nd Test | Bangalore | Mar 4-8, 2017 | Day 2

India 189
Australia 40/0 (16.0 ov)
Australia trail by 149 runs with 10 wickets remaining in the 1st innings
 
As per sources, if Steven Smith reaches 5000 runs landmark today then India would be having absolutely no chance of winning this series.
 
Can India repeat what Pakistan did in 2012 against England? England needed 140 to win, Pakistan bowled them out for 72. Here, Australia trail by 149, can India dismiss them for 70 runs?

They certainly have the bowlers to do it. Getting Warner and Smith early is absolutely crucial.
 
Deciding day of this series....i am expecting more drop catches & healthy lead from australians......these garbage millionaire indian players who are at cloud 9 need to know their real value.
 
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