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India beat New Zealand by 7 wickets in the 3rd ODI

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India Squad

MS Dhoni*†, JJ Bumrah, KM Jadhav, V Kohli, DS Kulkarni, Mandeep Singh, A Mishra, MK Pandey, HH Pandya, AR Patel, AM Rahane, SK Raina, RG Sharma, J Yadav, UT Yadav

New Zealand Squad

KS Williamson*, CJ Anderson, TA Boult, DAJ Bracewell, AP Devcich, MJ Guptill, MJ Henry, TWM Latham, JDS Neesham, L Ronchi†, MJ Santner, IS Sodhi, TG Southee, LRPL Taylor, BJ Watling†
 
Hopefully India get exposed again.

Tired of our rotten strategy.

Need to get rid of dead weights.

And hopefully Jadhav scores BIG.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Hopefully India get exposed again.

Tired of our rotten strategy.

Need to get rid of dead weights.

And hopefully Jadhav scores BIG.
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By dead weight, do you mean Rahane, Dhoni and Axar Patel?

The rest look fine to me. Pandya needs to be given a longer run. We need to look at him for a WC 2019 perspective rather than CT next year. If he can improve slightly in both departments, he'll have a huge impact on team's balance.
 
Want Indian batting to be tested today while chasing a big score, hope NZ bat well.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Hopefully India get exposed again.

Tired of our rotten strategy.

Need to get rid of dead weights.

And hopefully Jadhav scores BIG.
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Is it a good idea to bowl first at Mohali? I understand the dew factor, but the wicket looks too green to me - under lights before heavy dew, Kiwi seemers might get IND 5 down.
 
Sidilicious said:
By dead weight, do you mean Rahane, Dhoni and Axar Patel?

The rest look fine to me. Pandya needs to be given a longer run. We need to look at him for a WC 2019 perspective rather than CT next year. If he can improve slightly in both departments, he'll have a huge impact on team's balance.
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Yes.

But those 2 occupy such critical spots that the balance goes for a toss. As for Axar, its a pointless waste of time imho. Maybe he can smash the ball eventually but he is doing nothing with the ball.

We have so many players to test but for that we need a fresh captain and some new vacancies.

But as luck would have it, Rahane and Dhoni might just score today and we may win and people will think all is well. :))

For 2 years now, our ODI team is living on past glory.
 
MMHS said:
Is it a good idea to bowl first at Mohali? I understand the dew factor, but the wicket looks too green to me - under lights before heavy dew, Kiwi seemers might get IND 5 down.
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Even if that happens, good for us.

These jamodis have no meaning.

Might as well let some good come out of it.
 
Sidilicious said:
By dead weight, do you mean Rahane, Dhoni and Axar Patel?

The rest look fine to me. Pandya needs to be given a longer run. We need to look at him for a WC 2019 perspective rather than CT next year. If he can improve slightly in both departments, he'll have a huge impact on team's balance.
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The issue with Pandya in England is - His swing bowling is nothing to write about, as compared to Bhuvi. So you'd obviously want Bhuvi to open the bowling. So Pandya will be competing with Bhuvi for his spot. Pandya is also not good enough to take a batsman's spot. The only time when Pandya can play in England, is if we play 4 pacers + Ashwin.

So Pandya will obviously need to significantly improve his bowling. If he can replace Umesh with the ball, then he might be super useful with 7& 8 Pandya & Jadeja.
 
Sidilicious said:
Whats your opinion on Jadeja vs Pandya - The Batsmen?
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Pandya anyday.

Jaddu is a tukka batsman. Can smash but no one can predict when it will happen. When in form, he can get some good batting performances in but apart from that, only God knows when Jaddu will click.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Pandya anyday.

Jaddu is a tukka batsman. Can smash but no one can predict when it will happen. When in form, he can get some good batting performances in but apart from that, only God knows when Jaddu will click.
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Hmmm true. So I guess playing 4 pacers (incl. Pandya) + 1 spinner might not be that bad an option in England.
 
Sidilicious said:
The issue with Pandya in England is - His swing bowling is nothing to write about, as compared to Bhuvi. So you'd obviously want Bhuvi to open the bowling. So Pandya will be competing with Bhuvi for his spot. Pandya is also not good enough to take a batsman's spot. The only time when Pandya can play in England, is if we play 4 pacers + Ashwin.

So Pandya will obviously need to significantly improve his bowling. If he can replace Umesh with the ball, then he might be super useful with 7& 8 Pandya & Jadeja.
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In England, we need 2 spinners for SURE.

English tracks aid spin in LOIs and that's our biggest weapon.

Do you know both Ashwin and Jadeja average better in England than at home? They would have great career averages in ODI if they bowled more in England than in India. Haha.
 
Pandya is not that special. I wonder why did we drop Irfan Pathan just to make room for players like yousuf, binny or pandya? He got injured after giving a match winning performance in sri lanka. He didn't come back after that I guess.
 
Why does the pitch look so green
 
Guptil and Rohit are absolute FTBs. Give them a flat track and a poor attack and they'll hit a 200, give them a proper pitch and a good attack and they'll fare worse than tail-enders.
 
Bilal7 said:
Guptil and Rohit are absolute FTBs. Give them a flat track and a poor attack and they'll hit a 200, give them a proper pitch and a good attack and they'll fare worse than tail-enders.
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Rohit is much much better than Guptil. Don't put him in the league of hacks like Guptill, Sharjeel etc., He is more talented, has got more shots in his armour and has scored runs everywhere as opener. Him and Kohli are the reasons for any success India has had in recent past in ODIs.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Pandya is not that special. I wonder why did we drop Irfan Pathan just to make room for players like yousuf, binny or pandya? He got injured after giving a match winning performance in sri lanka. He didn't come back after that I guess.
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Since you don't watch IPL, you may not know.

Pathan's pace has dropped to dangerous low levels. Low 120s. Toothless bowling and okayish batting.

He is done.

Pandya is like 10000000X better than current Irfan Pathan.
 
King Kong said:
Rohit is much much better than Guptil. Don't put him in the league of hacks like Guptill, Sharjeel etc., He is more talented, has got more shots in his armour and has scored runs everywhere as opener. Him and Kohli are the reasons for any success India has had in recent past in ODIs.
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Everywhere? Last I checked he has only scored runs in Australia and India at a good SR, and has been pretty average everywhere else.
 
Clearly Bilal you haven't seen him perform in tough conditions in ODI.

He is an FTB (most modern ODI bats are) but you are way exaggerating it.
 
I haven't followed Guptill's career closely so won't comment.

He too is an FTB in the general sense.

Dunno if he has performed in tougher situations.
 
Must say though dhoni's stumpings are the best. He has his own technique and is by far the best in this field imo.
 
India lost to this team :)))

Seriously minnow level batting. Bangladesh would crush this side so badly.
 
On that stumping it will be a great debating point probably deserves a thread of it's own? [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You guys are useless.

Why u no help us out by playing better and exposing our weak XI?
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This side has lost all fight since McCullum retired.

They were never this bad under him, they always fought hard and tried to play to the best of their ability.
 
Lost for words.

Some of the worst batting I've seen in a long time.
 
What is happening to the world .
Stokes and neesham batting well in subcontinent conditions 😯
 
It'll be tough for India - they are chasing 300 with Kiwi fielding.

I think bowling first was a poor decision.
 
Tuned in now and see NZ got 285 after being 199/8, pathetic bowling to have Henry score 39.
 
A decent score in the end for NZ, considering they looked going well under 250 at one stage.

However if dew comes into play then India will likely chase it down.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Pandya anyday.

Jaddu is a tukka batsman. Can smash but no one can predict when it will happen. When in form, he can get some good batting performances in but apart from that, only God knows when Jaddu will click.
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When have you seen Pandya being consistent?Its all hype
 
Win or lose....India has issues in ODI.

Till that's sorted, either result don't matter.

Let's see how India plays now.
 
Tbh I am not really worked up over these games. India must look to groom these finishers. We are in dire need of one decent finisher ESP with dhoni not in his usual elements with the bat.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
When did I talk about consistency?

Quality of batsmanship.
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Right here:
Jaddu is a tukka batsman. Can smash but no one can predict when it will happen. When in form, he can get some good batting performances in but apart from that, only God knows when Jaddu will click.

If that isn't about consistency, I don't know what is.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Right here:
Jaddu is a tukka batsman. Can smash but no one can predict when it will happen. When in form, he can get some good batting performances in but apart from that, only God knows when Jaddu will click.

If that isn't about consistency, I don't know what is.
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lol you think I don't what I posted 5 mins back. Seriously?

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Sidilicious asked me

Whats your opinion on Jadeja vs Pandya - The Batsmen?

Which obviously means

Is Pandya likely to perform better than Jaddu or not

For that I said:

Jaddu is a tukka batsman. Can smash but no one can predict when it will happen. When in form, he can get some good batting performances in but apart from that, only God knows when Jaddu will click.

Which means

Jaddu is okayish. Can make it work at times but not a reliable bat.

Which really means

Jaddu's game is not as solid as Pandya's.

Pandya could be more effective because he has a better game. Whether he will or he will not be more effective as a bat is unknown due to less sample set.

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^Bottomline: The conversation's focus was not on consistency but quality. You can't judge consistency for a new player. Just the quality.
 
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Sidilicious said:
By dead weight, do you mean Rahane, Dhoni and Axar Patel?

The rest look fine to me. Pandya needs to be given a longer run. We need to look at him for a WC 2019 perspective rather than CT next year. If he can improve slightly in both departments, he'll have a huge impact on team's balance.
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Mishra,Yadav too.
 
180/7 to 285

Lol pata nai captaincy change kab hoga!

Pitch is good and there will be dew, expecting a close match with us winning.
 
Saurav said:
Pandya is a slogger too for all practical purposes.

More powerful and better vs pacers maybe,but not a batsman
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I am not sold on him yet but he can smash pacers and spinners.

Better batting ability than Jaddu.

Heard he played very well in Aus A tour recently on a tricky pitch.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
180/7 to 285

Lol pata nai captaincy change kab hoga!

Pitch is good and there will be dew, expecting a close match with us winning.
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Hes been good as captain in this series if not great

Pandya opening the bowling,Using Jadhav for middle overs ,pretty aggressive fields too

Has been given a 3rd string side except Rohit,Kohli and Bumrah

They were 154/2 too before being 180/7
 
Rahane doesn't look like a ODI batsman.

He seems forced to play shots that are not natural to him.
 
Rahane is Azhar Ali v 2.0.

Mohali is the most Australian track in India. So technically Rohit has to score runs here.
 
90MPH said:
Rahane doesn't look like a ODI batsman.

He seems forced to play shots that are not natural to him.
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True.Would have been great like Dravid in 90s and early 2000s but not now
 
That was a dolly, how could you drop such a easy catch. This will cost NZ !
 
Lol looks like Kohli had forgotten completely that there was a man kept for his favourite shot..
 
Saurav said:
Mishra,Yadav too.
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Mishra, you are correct him to an extent. But he is a leggie, and we need the 3rd spinner after Jaddu and Ash to be either a spin all rounder or a leggie. Need options if Jaddu and Ash have injuries. Axar Patel isn't quality enough.

Yadav, needs to improve, but he is in our top 4 pacers for LOIs - Shami, Bhuvi, Yadav and Bumrah.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I am not sold on him yet but he can smash pacers and spinners.

Better batting ability than Jaddu.

Heard he played very well in Aus A tour recently on a tricky pitch.
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He doesnt need to score heavy and have great technique. As long as he can
1. Be the enforcer - score quickly and smash the bowlers, and
2. Score those crucial 20-30 runs at the fag end of the innings - A bit like what Raina did from 7.
3. Become a good finisher - Be around when the team needs the last 50-60 runs.

He doesnt need to be Dhoni style finisher, or some to resurrect the innings for 60/5. As long as he can smack a few at the end of the innings should be enough.
 
If Dhoni keeps coming at no.4, he can play till 2019wc.I don't think Indian fans will have any problems with that as he is still one of our best bats.
 
Sidilicious said:
Mishra, you are correct him to an extent. But he is a leggie, and we need the 3rd spinner after Jaddu and Ash to be either a spin all rounder or a leggie. Need options if Jaddu and Ash have injuries. Axar Patel isn't quality enough.

Yadav, needs to improve, but he is in our top 4 pacers for LOIs - Shami, Bhuvi, Yadav and Bumrah.
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We have Kuldeep,Chahal,Jayant.Need to try someone young than pin hopes on a TTF

Yadav is a test specialist for me.Has all the talent,but doesnt have control or brains needed for ODIs
 
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