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India defeat New Zealand by 321 runs to take series 3-0

WI gave us a better fight on similar pitches. This Kiwi team has been so rubbish.
 
Aman said:
lol :))

Of course it kept low.
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So Indian batsmen have inflated batting averages, and Indian bowlers have inflated bowling averages?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in your argument?

Given that 3 Indians have scored 100+ and NZ have been completely out bowled, all it suggests that NZ have been pretty poor here.
 
Oh man, Ashwin is manhandling them now.

India can bat on this pitch on the 5th/6th day and will probably score more than what NZ scored in the first innings - this is the gulf between the sides.
 
Honestly I have genuine sympathy for soso killer when he says the wickets were poor during the SA tour. I found the Nagpur wicket to be a disgrace and even created a thread about it. Mohali wasn't any better.

But the wickets have been very sporting this series and Kolkata was in fact as un Indian as it can be.

But when you have batsmen swiping across the line off the backfoot on a turner, hanging on the backfoot to full balls and trying to sweep a half volley (lol), you really have to question the techniques of these batsmen.

I mean our batsmen have shoddy techniques on turning tracks and Indian fans can attest to that fact. But when they are making 500 and 400 on a wicket but the opposition is crumbling, I'm afraid you can't use the pitch excuse.
 
What a joke. Embarrassing performance from Kiwis, they should stick to rugby. :bm
 
Sidilicious said:
So Indian batsmen have inflated batting averages, and Indian bowlers have inflated bowling averages?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in your argument?

Given that 3 Indians have scored 100+ and NZ have been completely out bowled, all it suggests that NZ have been pretty poor here.
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Yeah, we're horrible. Doesn't change the fact Ashwin's stats are heavily padded from his performances at home. I'm sure close to 80% of his wickets have either come in the SC or against the WI.

The first 2 innings were fine, it's only this innings that I've seen the ball turn like crazy.

Didn't watch the third innings btw.
 
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Aman said:
Yeah, we're horrible. Doesn't change the fact Ashwin's stats are heavily padded from his performances at home. I'm sure close to 80% of his wickets have either come in the SC or against the WI.
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How many games has he played there/ against them?
 
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], on the same pitch, your spinners average: 48.66 and 52. If anyone can come pick wickets here i am sure they would have halved the numbers or atleast be at 30.

None of us called Ashwin ATG, but you can't just call him average, he is not average.
 
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LOL..Guptil - the lone warrior for NZ..

Didn't expected that?
 
Aman said:
Yeah, we're horrible. Doesn't change the fact Ashwin's stats are heavily padded from his performances at home. I'm sure close to 80% of his wickets have either come in the SC or against the WI.
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And who here disagrees to that? Every Indian believes that Ash needs to do better abroad before he can claim to be the best.

But that doesnt mean that he is only bowling well because of the pitches. Yes, the pitches help. But on the same pitches the Indians have scored less than 300 only once, and NZ have never crossed 300 in any of the innings, your argument is clearly wrong.
 
Man... that ball was straight and hit below the knee roll how could a spinner do that #OnlyIndianPitches
 
My affair with KW is officially over.

Can't adapt to bowlers plan. Became Bunny to Ashwin.

BCCI shouldn't invite NZ for 3 tests again. 2 is more than enough for them. Players look very tired. It takes real guts to field whole test in India which sadly NZ are lacking. But they will remain best of the losers. Will never whine like Aussies are gonna next year.
 
Good knock from Guptill.. He showed more resistance than Taylor in this series.

Can't believe what pitches Aus offered that Rosco managed a 290 at Perth?
 
JattMaula said:
My affair with KW is officially over.

Can't adapt to bowlers plan. Became Bunny to Ashwin.

BCCI shouldn't invite NZ for 3 tests again. 2 is more than enough for them. Players look very tired. It takes real guts to field whole test in India which sadly NZ are lacking. But they will remain best of the losers. Will never whine like Aussies are gonna next year.
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The English will far outdo the Aussies in that respect
 
Presenting Ashwins stats, make of it what you will.

149 of Ashwins 216 (68%) wickets have come in India (22 matches at home and 17 away).

175 of 216 (81%) have come in Asia.

In his career so far, he has played 26 games in Asia and 13 games outside of Asia.

15 of his 20 5'fers and 4 of his 5 10fers have come at home.

His away 5fers have been against Bangladesh (2), WI (2) and SL.

The only away 10fer he has was against SL.
 
Kiwi FTBs struggling big time. It is almost as if the world outside Kiwi/Aussie battas has come as a rude shock. :sree
 
I expected a lot from newzealand..they batted well in patches...latham-Williamson first test then latham guptil....but otherwise a very ordinary show.... also they didn't bowl well too.... expected a lot from santher and patel
 
Aman said:
Presenting Ashwins stats, make of it what you will.

149 of Ashwins 216 (68%) wickets have come in India (22 matches at home and 17 away).

175 of 216 (81%) have come in Asia.

In his career so far, he has played 26 games in Asia and 13 games outside of Asia.

15 of his 20 5'fers and 4 of his 5 10fers have come at home.

His away 5fers have been against Bangladesh (2), WI (2) and SL.

The only away 10fer he has was against SL.
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Could you also post the figures for the opposition spinners from those games? Asia and outside asia
 
Hope this ends today, no point in dragging it out.

May as well start preparing for the LOI's.
 
Aman said:
Presenting Ashwins stats, make of it what you will.

149 of Ashwins 216 (68%) wickets have come in India (22 matches at home and 17 away).

175 of 216 (81%) have come in Asia.

In his career so far, he has played 26 games in Asia and 13 games outside of Asia.

15 of his 20 5'fers and 4 of his 5 10fers have come at home.

His away 5fers have been against Bangladesh (2), WI (2) and SL.

The only away 10fer he has was against SL.
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Some players need conditions to excel. The likes of Ashwin or Williamson maybe useless in harder conditions, but they are beasts in favorable ones, and even that is a rare quality these days.
 
Yadav and Shami have done the job that has been asked of them so far. Both have troubled the batsmen and have been accurate. Couldn't ask for more from the pacers in the final innings of a test.
 
When Pak got rolled out for 49 in South Africa, nobody said Steyn picked up wickets only because of "fast wickets".

When India got rolled over in English conditions, nobody blamed James Anderson for taking advantage of the presence of "swing". Guess what, that's what you get in English conditions, the duke ball moves around prodigiously. Indian fans ripped into the team for their poor technique againt lateral movement.

But god forbid when the ball turns in India, the wickets are blamed for allowing the ball to "turn".:msd
 
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Zak_Fan said:
Some players need conditions to excel. The likes of Ashwin or Williamson maybe useless in harder conditions, but they are beasts in favorable ones, and even that is a rare quality these days.
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Kane actually has some performances in difficult conditions. Ashwin on the other hand hasn't done much with the opportunities he's had, we'll see if he's the real deal or a HTB/STB the next time he tours Aus, NZ and SA.
 
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street cricketer said:
When Pak got rolled out for 49 in South Africa, nobody said Steyn picked up wickets only because of fast wickets.

When India got rolled over in English conditions, nobody blamed James Anderson for taking advantage of the presence of "swing". Guess what, that's what you get in English conditions, the duke ball moves around prodigiously. Indian fans ripped into the team for their poor technique againt lateral movement.

But god forbid when the ball turns in India, the wickets are blamed for allowing the ball to "turn".:msd
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Did you consider maybe that was because Dale Steyn has proven himself around the world in different conditions?

Funnily enough, it's Ashwin who is breaking his records now :))
 
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Aman said:
Presenting Ashwins stats, make of it what you will.

149 of Ashwins 216 (68%) wickets have come in India (22 matches at home and 17 away).

175 of 216 (81%) have come in Asia.

In his career so far, he has played 26 games in Asia and 13 games outside of Asia.

15 of his 20 5'fers and 4 of his 5 10fers have come at home.

His away 5fers have been against Bangladesh (2), WI (2) and SL.

The only away 10fer he has was against SL.
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I think that's a good record even considering away games and it is going to improve
 
Aman said:
Did you consider maybe that was because Dale Steyn has proven himself around the world in different conditions?

Funnily enough, it's Ashwin who is breaking his records now :))
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Lol then why are you crying this series where the wickets have been docile.

In fact, the equivalent of the roads of Australia for a spinner will be a rank turner for a batsman. How many times have a batsman scored a brilliant hundred on a rank turner?

The last I recollect was one South African bloke playing (or rather played) for England.
 
street cricketer said:
Lol then why are you crying this series where the wickets have been docile.

In fact, the equivalent of the roads of Australia for a spinner will be a rank turner for a batsman. How many times have a batsman scored a brilliant hundred on a rank turner?

The last I recollect was one South African bloke playing (or rather played) for England.
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More than the defeat (we've sucked, I've said it time and time again), as a fan it's a pain seeing average-good bowler like Ashwin write themselves into the history books.

He freaking has as many 10fers as Steyn despite Steyn playing nearly double the Tests.

Steyn is arguably the greatest fast bowler of all time...
 
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Steyn is arguably the greatest fast bowler of all time... yeah spinners bowl for longer spells so they have a greater chance of them taking bigger hauls... but it's a joke IMO, they're not even in the same galaxy when it comes to their ability.
 
Aman said:
More than the defeat (we've sucked, I've said it time and time again), as a fan it's a pain seeing average-good bowler like Ashwin write themselves into the history books.

He freaking has as many 10fers as Steyn despite Steyn playing nearly double the Tests.

Steyn is arguably the greatest fast bowler of all time...
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Philander is also in the record books for being a green track bully. I think, Aman, everyone knows that Ashwin is nowhere close to Steyn. Ashwin 2015 onwards has been a much improved bowler. That's all most are claiming.
 
Aman said:
Kane actually has some performances in difficult conditions. Ashwin on the other hand hasn't done much with the opportunities he's had, we'll see if he's the real deal or a HTB/STB the next time he tours Aus, NZ and SA.
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Given the nature of Aussie wickets, he will probably fail again. Ashwin's away record is actually quite misleading. Bulk of his away Tests have been in Australia. More matches in England and SA will give a better idea.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Philander is also in the record books for being a green track bully. I think, Aman, everyone knows that Ashwin is nowhere close to Steyn. Ashwin 2015 onwards has been a much improved bowler. That's all most are claiming.
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Correction, he has now overtaken him........ :69:

Ashwin now has more 10fers than Steyn while playing half the Tests.

He will likely overtake his 5fers this year too...............
 
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More than the pitches its the NZ team that should be criticised. I am sure even west indies will play better than NZ. I was hopeful of closely fought series between india and nz but its one of the most one sided series i have seen. Hopefully england india series will be better.

Perfect saying for NZ :

One who knows no dance, claims the stage is tilted.

:inti
 
Aman said:
More than the defeat (we've sucked, I've said it time and time again), as a fan it's a pain seeing average-good bowler like Ashwin write themselves into the history books.

He freaking has as many 10fers as Steyn despite Steyn playing nearly double the Tests.

Steyn is arguably the greatest fast bowler of all time...
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Nobody, I mean nobody, is saying Ashwin is as good as Steyn. Most Indian fans acknowledge that he needs performances overseas.

But he has been very good ever since the world cup in Australia. People said in the past that he was just a T20 bowler and will find it difficult in tests but he has been improving a lot ever since he made his debut. Many said he could pick wickets only in India but he was as effective in Sri Lanka (and Bangladesh) as he was in India. Then there were claims that he will fail as soon as he steps outside of Asia but he again performed with the same vigour in West Indies when the tracks weren't that conducive to spin mind you. Everyone acknowledges that he needs to perform in Eng, SA, NZ and Aus. But he has hardly played in 3 of those 4 countries apart from 2 or 3 spells. I can see him performing at Adelaide and also at Sydney if it's a traditional SCG track but not in other venues if the wickets are like what they were in the India and NZ series.
 
Aman said:
Correction, he has now overtaken him........ :69:

Ashwin now has more 10fers than Steyn while playing half the Tests.

He will likely overtake his 5fers this year too...............
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Calm down man :))). Steyn is among top 3 quicks who ever bowled. I'll say this for Ashwin though. Among bowlers from SC who have had a big impact on test matches, Ashwin is probably 5th. Only behind Murali,Imran,wasim and waqar imo. That's a controversial opinion i guess. But i'd say he is that good.
 
Please just finish this.

Jadeja please pick up the last two wickets.... for the love of god.. please..
 
Good to see NZ fans put in place, were getting excited at the world cup and a fluke win vs us in UAE.

Also Christopher Pujara back in form.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
More than the pitches its the NZ team that should be criticised. I am sure even west indies will play better than NZ. I was hopeful of closely fought series between india and nz but its one of the most one sided series i have seen. Hopefully england india series will be better.

Perfect saying for NZ :

One who knows no dance, claims the stage is tilted.

:inti
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True True True. :yk
 
The newer generation of players, especially belonging to the English speaking countries, are clueless against spin, hence Ashwin and Jadeja have inflated bowling averages.
 
Well done India. This has been an embarrassing performance.

Oh look he has 6th one now. :))
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]. If he is not that good, why is no one stopping him? His performance in Australia aside, he has done well overseas. Jury is out on his work in England and South Africa but if he won't be a wicket machine there, he will score runs. That makes him extremely dangerous as an all-round package.
 
Ashwin now 5 5fers behind Steyn with 46 Tests left to match him.
 
leatherface58 said:
Well done India. This has been an embarrassing performance.

Oh look he has 6th one now. :))
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]. If he is not that good, why is no one stopping him? His performance in Australia aside, he has done well overseas. Jury is out on his work in England and South Africa but if he won't be a wicket machine there, he will score runs. That makes him extremely dangerous as an all-round package.
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Not surprised by the performance, most of the side isn't international standard. Hopefully they'll fare much better in the LOI's, not too fussed about the defeats as AJ is still going sweet in the WWE :D

Still irritating too see him breaking records, he may prove me wrong but for now he's nothing more than a bowler who performs in foavrable conditions or against weak sides (he's gotten both against us this series and made merry :)) )
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Don't worry he will reach there in the next series. :sanga
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Thankfully Steyn will always have a superior average and SR as long as India keep playing away from home. Then again, the BCCI could always 'rest' him for those series to beat that too.
 
Aman said:
Not surprised by the performance, most of the side isn't international standard. Hopefully they'll fare much better in the LOI's, not too fussed about the defeats as AJ is still going sweet in the WWE :D

Still irritating too see him breaking records, he may prove me wrong but for now he's nothing more than a bowler who performs in foavrable conditions or against weak sides (he's gotten both against us this series and made merry :)) )
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I would stick my neck out and say that Ashwin would make it to ANY of the 70s-80s Subcontinental sides. He can bat, he can bowl, he can field well. He is the kind of package any team would kill to have. Did you see the fitness levels of the world class spinners like Bedi? Bedi was a great bowler but he was a non-fielder and non-batsman. Add the fact that there used to be some severely under-prepared pitches in those days and Ashwin makes a legitimate claim to make it to the 11 in even the "golden" era.
 
Anyone else find it embarrassing how crap teams are away from home nowadays. Not just NZ but all sides including Australia/India. Only England and Pakistan seem to be consistent.

You're playing what is supposedly the premiere format and look like a club cricketer the minute you go away from home. Terrible stuff and so so boring.

I get that spinning conditions will be tough but surely actual practice and work will make you perform better
 
Aman said:
Thankfully Steyn will always have a superior average and SR as long as India keep playing away from home. Then again, the BCCI could always 'rest' him for those series to beat that too.
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Like Styen "rested" in India series?
 
Srivatsa: "If any more proof was needed that Ashwin's developed into a truly wonderful spinner, at least in the subcontinent, Statsguru has it that he is the only right-arm spinner with more than 100 wickets to have a strike rate under 50, and third on the all-time list. That also means that he has the lowest strike rate of any spinner from the last 100 years who has taken more than 100 wickets!" If that is true - I haven't checked it - that's kind of mind-boggling. Where's Murali on that list?
 
What this also proves is that rank turners, if anything, make the game closer and increase the chances of foreign teams winning anything in India.

This was probably the best batting wicket, as well as the most one sided match of the series. So rank turners actually reduce the margin between teams by making the opposition spinners look like some reincarnation of Warne. On truer surfaces such as this, Indian batsmen will cash in heavily and only quality spinners will thrive.
 
Ashwin in the same company as Steyn and Waqar... ew.....all kinds of wrong.
 
It's more a case of NZers being completely out of depth in this game.They totally capitulated with the bat in both innings and gave a feeling as if they were mentally out of it in this one which is understandable.Now they might understand to a certain degree how India felt losing on some of those tours we had.

With respect to Ash he is a tremendous bowler in SC much improved since the Bangladesh test and simply this fact can be attested if you pit his performances against those opposition spinners(aka Herath et al).Mind you this series was not all that bad concerning the pitches and at times you must tip your hat to some plays which have been exceptional.

This series only goes to show the amount of preparation that he does regarding his bowling(the fact that he predicted most of the wickets will be to lbws and also how he noticed a flaw in KW's batting regarding his backfoot play to the offspinning delivery).There is no doubt that he will grow and his performances will improve even outside SC as he respects the game but some credit must also be given to the other bowlers who have made his job a little easier. For no great bowler can keep churning out such performances without some able support.

In conclusion, I would say NZ were quite good for the better part of this series but tough luck to them they came face to face with an upcoming young and confident side(on the back of several victories).So all in all I wish them the very best for their upcoming games and hope they notch some wins.

P.S : Thanks for sitting this through :)
 
My dislike for Ashwin's records aside.

We've been comprehensively outplayed, India have by far been the better side in all departments.

I have no doubt they'd sweep us in NZ too. Don't know where this side goes from here.
 
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sarthak said:
What this also proves is that rank turners, if anything, make the game closer and increase the chances of foreign teams winning anything in India.

This was probably the best batting wicket, as well as the most one sided match of the series. So rank turners actually reduce the margin between teams by making the opposition spinners look like some reincarnation of Warne. On truer surfaces such as this, Indian batsmen will cash in heavily and only quality spinners will thrive.
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Been saying it all along. Rank turners only handicap our team because we are weak when the ball turns big. Our spinners are good enough to pick 20 wickets on normal Indian wickets and our batsmen can also pad their stats.:ibutt
 
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