India does not allow dual nationality. Shouldn't Pakistan do the same?

[Yossarian]

India does not allow Indian citizens to become citizens of other countries. If you were to do so, then you cease to remain being Indian citizens. It's one or the other, but not both. Overseas Citizenship of India is not actual citizenship of India.

In my opinion, this policy allows India to hold it's head high when it's citizens living in other countries are affected adversely. It can draw a clean line between Indian citizens and non-Indian citizens without being lumbered with the problems dual nationality brings "They're your citizens too ... but they're your responsibility ...no they're your responsibility .....No, no ..."

British nationals with another nationality (known
as ‘dual nationals’ ), although this will
depend on the circumstances - normally we cannot
help dual nationals when they are in the country of
their other nationality.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ta/file/584047/FCO_Brits_Abroad_web130117.pdf

Shouldn't Pakistan do something similar and also get rid of dual nationality? ie You're a citizen of Pakistan or a citizen of another country, but not of both.

 

[WebGuru]

We had a Governor for more thn a decade with a dual nationality

There are many people working in govt with dual nationality.

 

[Yossarian]

We had a Governor for more thn a decade with a dual nationality

There are many people working in govt with dual nationality.

So who is their loyalty with? Pakistan or the country of their other nationality?

If these people working in Govt. only had Pakistani nationality then it's in their interest to do their utmost for the peoples of Pakistan because they're in the same boat as them. They sink or swim together.

But by having dual nationality, they know that if the going gets tough, the 'tough dual nationals' will leave Pakistan like a shot because they have somewhere else to run to.

 

[Syed1]

I hope not

 

[WebGuru]

So who is their loyalty with? Pakistan or the country of their other nationality?

If these people working in Govt. only had Pakistani nationality then it's in their interest to do their utmost for the peoples of Pakistan because they're in the same boat as them. They sink or swim together.

But by having dual nationality, they know that if the going gets tough, the 'tough dual nationals' will leave Pakistan like a shot because they have somewhere else to run to.

Loyalty with Queen mostly because most of these guys got brit nationality. Our Governor Sindh after resigning didn't spent a single day in Pakistan and moved to UK. Imagine being Governor for 14 years and thn leaving the country the day you resign. Currently the guy facing one of the biggest corruption case in Pakistan history (Dr Asim, Zardari's front man) was a minister in last goverment and he got a Canadian nationality. Canadian ambassador was asking to release him a few days ago. And there are many other people with dual nationality serving on different positions.

 

[Yossarian]

Loyalty with Queen mostly because most of these guys got brit nationality. Our Governor Sindh after resigning didn't spent a single day in Pakistan and moved to UK. Imagine being Governor for 14 years and thn leaving the country the day you resign. Currently the guy facing one of the biggest corruption case in Pakistan history (Dr Asim, Zardari's front man) was a minister in last goverment and he got a Canadian nationality. Canadian ambassador was asking to release him a few days ago. And there are many other people with dual nationality serving on different positions.

So you agree with the OP?

 

[Yossarian]

I hope not

Is that a detailed discussion?

 

[WebGuru]

So you agree with the OP?

In my view it's ok to have dual nationality if they want for some reason but those guys shouldn't be working in govt or on higher positions like i mentioned in the examples. If i am not wrong that imported Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz didn't give up his US nationality to become Pakistani PM. Moeen Qureshi another acting PM of Pakistan came from US.

 

[Slog]

what will it serve?

the only people who should not have it are people in public office and there is already a law to that effect

 

[WebGuru]

what will it serve?

the only people who should not have it are people in public office and there is already a law to that effect

There is a law but it's not being implemented just like many other laws of Pakistan and the Constitution.

 

[Yossarian]

what will it serve?

The OP explains it.

 

[The_KING]

Hopefully not

 

[Black Zero]

Pakistan should do that.

Few years backed I looked for the process of surrendering pakistani citizenship and found it to be a lengthy process. Plus, there is an application fee involved.

 

[Yossarian]

The benefit to those Pakistanis with dual nationality is obvious - they can have a foot in both camps, whilst ensuring they have a bolt hole to go to just in case. However, what benefit is it to the vast majority of the peoples of Pakistan, that is other than those in power and making the rules, and who either themselves, or their close relatives, are amongst those taking advantage of this dual nationality?

 

[Yossarian]

Would you like to enlighten me about what's wrong with dual citizenship? I personally don't see the argument against dual citizenship.

If you listen to the news, many commentators are saying that Trump's ban on Iraqis, Iranians etc. also includes those with the likes of British-Iraqi dual nationality. ie Their Iraqi side of the dual nationality means that they too fall under the bans regardless of their British nationality.

If Trump decides to put any similar restrictions on Pakistani nationals, then going by the above, those with dual British-Pakistani citizenship will also fall under these restrictions or bans.

 

[Sidilicious]

The benefit to those Pakistanis with dual nationality is obvious - they can have a foot in both camps, whilst ensuring they have a bolt hole to go to just in case. However, what benefit is it to the vast majority of the peoples of Pakistan, that is other than those in power and making the rules, and who either themselves, or their close relatives, are amongst those taking advantage of this dual nationality?

To be honest, the Overseas Citizen of India (OCI card) pretty much offers the same. A foreign citizen with an OCI card can live and work in India like an Indian citizen. An OCI card holder can also get his citizenship back if he resides in India for 5 years or more (obviously, would need to give up foreign nationality in that case).
The only difference between an Indian citizen and an OCI card holder are
1. An OCI card cannot hold a government office
2. An OCI cannot buy land for farming purposes (inheritances is not an issue)

So an OCI card holder effectively has a foot in both camps.

But you are right - it does mean that a politician or a government office holder cannot have foot in both camps. Especially in countries where corruption in rife, a politician cant mess-up the whole country, and then say good bye to the nation as soon as his office ends, or if there is a court case against that individual. If you want to hold a government office, your future must lie in the country, just as the million others you are representing.

 

[Pakistanian]

No, Pakistan should continue allowing dual nationality. Racists will always associate the crimes of people of color to their ethnic group or country of origin whether they have dual nationality or not. Just cause a lot Indian-Americans don't have Indian citizenship anymore doesn't mean that most people here don't view them as Indians, when you're a visible minority you can't hide your heritage unless your white passing. It is what it is bruh, deal with it.

 

[Yossarian]

If Trump, and those around him, don't add Pakistan to the list of countries whose citizens are banned from entering the USA, then you can be sure India will be quietly pushing Trump to do so as part of its efforts to isolate Pakistan.

Trump has big plans to develop his businesses in India and has already deals with numerous Indian business partners where he lends them the Trump brand name in return for $millions in licensing fees, without putting in a cent of his own money. Trump's son won't wish to risk that. They'll be having a quiet word or two with President Daddy ...

NEW DELHI: US President-elect Donald Trump, who has rooted for India and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, has business interests in India, probably bigger than in any other country outside North America. Recently, there were reports about Donald Trump dumping foreign realty projects including one in India but Trump Organization said its five active projects in India would proceed as planned.

The gross development value of the five projects is $1.5 billion. But India only gets the Trump brand and not his money. Trump Organization has brand-licensing agreements with local developers but made no equity investments.

In India's luxury real estate, the Trump name sells as is evident from price premiums on the Trump Towers apartments in Mumbai and Pune. Without investing a single penny in Indian real estate, Trump Organization can make millions in just licensing fees.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

If Pakistan citizens are added to the list then that will affect British-Pakistani dual nationals. Time to formally renounce my Pakistani citizenship me thinks!

 

[Pakistanian]

If Trump, and those around him, don't add Pakistan to the list of countries whose citizens are banned from entering the USA, then you can be sure India will be quietly pushing Trump to do so as part of its efforts to isolate Pakistan.

Trump has big plans to develop his businesses in India and has already deals with numerous Indian business partners where he lends them the Trump brand name in return for $millions in licensing fees, without putting in a cent of his own money. Trump's son won't wish to risk that. They'll be having a quiet word or two with President Daddy ...



If Pakistan citizens are added to the list then that will affect British-Pakistani dual nationals. Time to formally renounce my Pakistani citizenship me thinks!

Do you think they're dumb enough not to look at your face, name, ethnic heritage? They can even run background checks with whatever fancy technology they got.

 

[Yossarian]

But you are right - it does mean that a politician or a government office holder cannot have foot in both camps. Especially in countries where corruption in rife, a politician cant mess-up the whole country, and then say good bye to the nation as soon as his office ends, or if there is a court case against that individual. If you want to hold a government office, your future must lie in the country, just as the million others you are representing.

And that's my point.

No, Pakistan should continue allowing dual nationality. Racists will always associate the crimes of people of color to their ethnic group or country of origin whether they have dual nationality or not. Just cause a lot Indian-Americans don't have Indian citizenship anymore doesn't mean that most people here don't view them as Indians, when you're a visible minority you can't hide your heritage unless your white passing. It is what it is bruh, deal with it.

It benefits Pakistani dual nationality holders of course. That's why they hold onto it. But it doesn't benefit the rest of the peoples of Pakistan. In fact quite the reverse. See above.

 

[Pakistanian]

And that's my point.

It benefits Pakistani dual nationality holders of course. That's why they hold onto it. But it doesn't benefit the rest of the peoples of Pakistan. In fact quite the reverse. See above.

It benefits Pakistan cause we add to their brand, I mean if we do something good it kinda makes Pakistan look good but if we do something bad then that ain't good. People of Pakistani descent send a lot of money to the old country, so I don't see how it hasn't helped them.

 

[Yossarian]

Do you think they're dumb enough not to look at your face, name, ethnic heritage? They can even run background checks with whatever fancy technology they got.

Read Trumps directive. It says "citizens" of the countries mentioned - not the colour of their skin tone.

But I can see why the likes of you would be upset about losing your dual nationality since, as a U.S. citizen you won't be affected, you'll be exempt from Trumps bans (just like those Iraqis, Iranians etc with dual American citizenship are exempt).

But as a British citizen, I will be affected by keeping dual British-Pakistani citizenship. Hence the sooner Pakistan removes dual citizenship the better for the likes of me.

 

[Yossarian]

It benefits Pakistan cause we add to their brand, I mean if we do something good it kinda makes Pakistan look good but if we do something bad then that ain't good. People of Pakistani descent send a lot of money to the old country, so I don't see how it hasn't helped them.

Indian Americans send a heck of a lot more. India doesn't allow dual citizenship. Perhaps that's one of the reasons why India as a nation has more self respect.

 

[JaDed]

Indian Americans send a heck of a lot more. India doesn't allow dual citizenship. Perhaps that's one of the reasons why India as a nation has more self respect.

There are various reason for that feeling for once most of India eventhough as a country its a day younger to Pakistan feels its culture is old and that white Britishers destroyed it,(Lets keep RSS out for now) and that as India or cultures associated with it were much more scientific before the Brits "enslaved" us,this is one of the few reasons why we can never take a person of foreign origin to occupy a govn office. eg:Sonia Gandhi

For Pakistan its the opposite they feel imho they were liberated from Hindu majority by Britishers and thereby don't have the baggage or distrust towards Britishers.

We don't mind the politician studying abroad but even when their children are sent abroad for education and put up as leaders most often that is a frowned upon aspect by Indian public.

 

[Yossarian]

There are various reason for that feeling for once most of India eventhough as a country its a day younger to Pakistan feels its culture is old and that white Britishers destroyed it,(Lets keep RSS out for now) and that as India or cultures associated with it were much more scientific before the Brits "enslaved" us,this is one of the few reasons why we can never take a person of foreign origin to occupy a govn office. eg:Sonia Gandhi

For Pakistan its the opposite they feel imho they were liberated from Hindu majority by Britishers and thereby don't have the baggage or distrust towards Britishers.

We don't mind the politician studying abroad but even when their children are sent abroad for education and put up as leaders most often that is a frowned upon aspect by Indian public.

I agree, except for the bit about being "liberated from Hindu majority by Britishers". When exactly were Muslims (living in the areas which now form Pakistan) under Hindu majority rule? Besides, whatever applies to Britain's colonial rule over what is now India applies equally as regards Pakistan.