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Australia look to be in a good position and headed for a 350+ total but we all know how quickly things can change.

The key to the Aussie innings is Usman Khawaja's presence at the crease. If he stays on, India's task will tougher.


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India has made a patta to protect a 2-1 lead.

No harm in it to be honest
 
Batting paradise, India would have scored 450 already if they batted first. Australia is being over cautious. Should score 550 at least to be in comfortable position.
 
What a flat pitch this is!

Now see our batsmen to make a minefield out of it!
 
Xoib said:
India has made a patta to protect a 2-1 lead.

No harm in it to be honest
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Dont think it will be easy to secure a draw. Scoreboard pressure will be a factor too and Ind will have to bat last. I expect a 200+ run thrashing for India
 
Indian players being fed well during drinks

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Australia very strongly placed at 347/4 (119) CRR: 2.92

Khawaja looks settled in for a double-hundred and Green looks immovable.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We are deeply saddened at the passing of Maria Cummins overnight. On behalf of Australian Cricket, we extend our heartfelt condolences to Pat, the Cummins family and their friends. The Australian Men's team will today wear black armbands as a mark of respect.</p>— Cricket Australia (@CricketAus) <a href="https://twitter.com/CricketAus/status/1634029216558874627?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Will be good if we don't qualify for WTC final with such a sorry bunch of players.
 
This match is going nowhere and Australia needed seamers this test not spinners.

Only India can win this as they prepared it to ensure the series is won because no one takes even 10 wickets on this
 
MP2011 said:
Will be good if we don't qualify for WTC final with such a sorry bunch of players.
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Why?

India has as good a team as any other side and have done well.

If SL can beat NZ in NZ then they also deserve a chance on points alone.
 
MenInG said:
Why?

India has as good a team as any other side and have done well.

If SL can beat NZ in NZ then they also deserve a chance on points alone.
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Only our bowling is any good. Our batting is most overrated and poor bunch in International cricket.
 
Nobody will be interested in test matches in India if played on such pitches! Also India no more have star batsmen/seasoned batsmen in their lineup who can take advantage of such pitches and score double/triple centuries! Even on this pitch India will try to match the opposition score only with the aid of lower order batsmen. Crowd will come to either watch their star batsmen scoring 100s OR if the match has a result!

For all the hue & cry the turning tracks get, I guess that is the only kind of pitch which can bring some interest in test cricket played in India!

And the only way to bring perfect balance between these two extremes is to keep playing in fixed venues & ask the curators to thoroughly concentrate to bring that perfection (Something like Eden Gardens in 2001 which appeared to be helpful to bowlers when India batted in their 1st innings, became flat when Laxman/Dravid took on a mission and then again became deadly against batsmen when Australia came to bat - even Sachin looking lethal as a bowler! I guess people want to see pitches where test matches become a like a long poetic tale - a beautiful 5 day movie! Even the Gabba test match followed this suit! This is extremely difficult to achieve consistently!)
 
MP2011 said:
Only our bowling is any good. Our batting is most overrated and poor bunch in International cricket.
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Nobody rates our batting anymore! Even Pant (who was bringing some sense of security to our batting was often criticized for inconsistency - that's only because others were not contributing enough!)
 
Finally proper test cricket is back, wicket is dead flat, no turn, no lateral movement, it is a batting paradise. Indians did this on purpose they want to draw the match and take the series 2-1.

Only hope here is if India crumbles under pressure of the scorecard which is likely when you have batsmen who cant bat in test cricket like Kohli, Pujara, Iyer as your middle 3.
 
Pant's absence is felt (even while shouting behind stumps & his facial expressions). I think he would have won at least 1 match on his own (probably the previous one!)
 
Good on Ashwin to take 2 wickets in 1 over on this dead pitch.
 
RamLakhan said:
Nobody rates our batting anymore! Even Pant (who was bringing some sense of security to our batting was often criticized for inconsistency - that's only because others were not contributing enough!)
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Only in India such gross incompetence of so many players is tolerated.
 
Axar has been exposed yet again as a test bowler. If not for our batsmen, he'd have never been selected in the XI.

I wonder, if we are not going to play Kuldeep in home tests where will we play him?
 
MP2011 said:
Axar has been exposed yet again as a test bowler. If not for our batsmen, he'd have never been selected in the XI.

I wonder, if we are not going to play Kuldeep in home tests where will we play him?
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This is the issue with having passengers in the team. This batting lineup is hurting us a lot in multiple ways! Similarly Shardul Thakur gets to play in overseas tests again to cover our weak batting lineup! Often this affects our bowling effectiveness!

Now with Pant's absence we are forced to play such players in the team!
 
A more of a classical Indian wicket, this.

Both teams scoring 500 in the first innings.

Then a 2nd innings shootout decides the game.

A draw is also a strong possibility.
 
Varun said:
A more of a classical Indian wicket, this.

Both teams scoring 500 in the first innings.

Then a 2nd innings shootout decides the game.

A draw is also a strong possibility.
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This was true till 2015/2018. We were in fact winning matches after opposition winning toss, posting 400+ then India scoring 600+, then Indian bowlers coming to equation in the 3rd innings (even pacers exploiting old ball + reverse swing - outsmarting their opposition counterparts) and eventually winning the match! This was the template in most matches (our Kohli & other captains were so lucky in losing tosses!) occasionally ending up in draw (when pitch was too flat & if opposition batsmen survived)

But now the Indian team at the moment don't have a confident batting lineup to score 300+ on any surface. This would give opposition team a good chance to win! Even in overseas tests we will end up on losing side if the pitch is too flat (as it happened in the last England match) Flat pitch means our bowlers becoming slightly ineffective and our batting not taking enough advantage!

Also it looks like without Pant, the opposition have a huge loophole to exploit & win against India! He was an important factor in tilting the balance... This series will tell that (if Australia ends up drawing the series). Other teams coming to India will take inspiration from this!
 
RamLakhan said:
This was true till 2015/2018. We were in fact winning matches after opposition winning toss, posting 400+ then India scoring 600+, then Indian bowlers coming to equation in the 3rd innings (even pacers exploiting old ball + reverse swing - outsmarting their opposition counterparts) and eventually winning the match! This was the template in most matches (our Kohli & other captains were so lucky in losing tosses!) occasionally ending up in draw (when pitch was too flat & if opposition batsmen survived)

But now the Indian team at the moment don't have a confident batting lineup to score 300+ on any surface. This would give opposition team a good chance to win! Even in overseas tests we will end up on losing side if the pitch is too flat (as it happened in the last England match) Flat pitch means our bowlers becoming slightly ineffective and our batting not taking enough advantage!

Also it looks like without Pant, the opposition have a huge loophole to exploit & win against India! He was an important factor in tilting the balance... This series will tell that (if Australia ends up drawing the series). Other teams coming to India will take inspiration from this!
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yes, good analysis about our batting not having the bite or the quality and this probably has made BCCI roll out raging turners since about 2020. I still feel we are good enough to win on most surfaces that offer that little bit for seam and spin as evidenced in our overseas successes.
In few years, VK, Che pu, RS, Jads, Ash, shami will be leaving and we do not have replacements ready.
In the next few years we have to try new LH batsmen preferably in top order - jaiswal is one guy i think could fit the trick - i gather he has some disciplinary issues...but still young. We have to go for Washi sundar as a top order bat with his bowling as a bonus.
yes not having Rishabh has hurt us
Lastly, our pitches have been pathetic adverts for TC, i wish for more sporting wickets.
 
Still feel the WTC finals should be multi test affair played in Eng/nz, Saf/aussie, SC conditions or WI
That will be a true measure of a WTC champ. Imagine if the WTC finals was played in india, NZ would have been decimated.
 
Pitch is not as flat as Indian tired bowlers are making it look. They are simply not used to bowling for long periods on traditional Indian wickets.

Ashwin once he got his mindset right bowled better today than yesterday. Jadeja clearly only likes bowling on dustbowls and tries to bowl too fast on traditional wickets searching for quick wickets. Axar is not test class on traditional wickets.
 
Will Kohli & co be good enough to score any runs at least on this pitch?
 
Vadapav Rohit is worst captain we have after Tendulkar, this guy doesn't know how to captain in spin pitches or flat pitches , just for the sake of bowling he just rotate the bowling, Really a sad day for indian fan , with one of all time worst captain , Useless batsmen like Rahul , bharat and past sell date kohli and pujara and one of the worst coach we ever had including, batting , bowling and fielding coach
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
Still feel the WTC finals should be multi test affair played in Eng/nz, Saf/aussie, SC conditions or WI
That will be a true measure of a WTC champ. Imagine if the WTC finals was played in india, NZ would have been decimated.
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I think playing Test Championship like that (multiple matches) does not fit to economic model today. They should have tried this long back (in 70s, 80s) when people had time & interest to watch test cricket... Then it would have got traditionally carried forward today in some way! When they did not think about that in those days, then its difficult to expect today.

Also I don't think its a bad idea to have WTC Finals (single final) in England because it offers the most neutral venue in terms of pitch and also best crowd support in the stadium! Probably they can try something like whoever wins the match they can go on to host the next WTC finals, the next year (like if India wins it this time they should host the next finals - whoever plays it!) and continuing in this way... This can be a fair model, and also with ICC monitoring the pitch it can be brought close to even contest...
 
India has taken the third new ball, with Australia 8-464
 
Rohit Sharma looks completely out of head in terms of captaincy! He should have just concentrated on opening in test matches (even this is a late discovery).
 
Guess India needs proper spinners in test matches. Ashwin & a wrist spinner (Kuldeep or someone) Only one out of Jadeja/Axar should play... Enough of giving cushion to batting lineup!
 
Ashwin's takes 6-for!

Great achievement on this wicket!
 
So we need to score minimum 281 to avoid the follow on. Not going to be easy.
 
Everything is going right for Australia this match! Some early wickets today at the end of the day (especially Rohit) can make India panicking... With big 1st innings lead Australia can force for a win on 4th & 5th day...
 
Great bowling by Ashwin showing the wicket is not as flat. If you can bowl you will take wickets. Separating proper bowlers to dustbowl bowlers.
 
MP2011 said:
So we need to score minimum 281 to avoid the follow on. Not going to be easy.
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Don't think Australia will force follow on, they will make India bat on 4th & 5th day... Current Indian batting cannot handle 4th/5th day pitch... Only if India bats well in the 1st innings the match will head towards draw... (At least 350 & if it takes to end of 3rd day).
 
RamLakhan said:
Don't think Australia will force follow on, they will make India bat on 4th & 5th day... Current Indian batting cannot handle 4th/5th day pitch... Only if India bats well in the 1st innings the match will head towards draw... (At least 350 & if it takes to end of 3rd day).
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Need a battathon from Pujara.

Don't have much hope from anyone else. They may make some quick runs but won't be able to occupy the crease for many sessions which is what is required in this test.
 
RamLakhan said:
I think playing Test Championship like that (multiple matches) does not fit to economic model today. They should have tried this long back (in 70s, 80s) when people had time & interest to watch test cricket... Then it would have got traditionally carried forward today in some way! When they did not think about that in those days, then its difficult to expect today.

Also I don't think its a bad idea to have WTC Finals (single final) in England because it offers the most neutral venue in terms of pitch and also best crowd support in the stadium! Probably they can try something like whoever wins the match they can go on to host the next WTC finals, the next year (like if India wins it this time they should host the next finals - whoever plays it!) and continuing in this way... This can be a fair model, and also with ICC monitoring the pitch it can be brought close to even contest...
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I disagree, If marketed properly this can be a money spinner. you can have the odd D/n test to cater for the office goer who would watch the last session after work. also dont think eng offers the most neutral in terms of pitch or best crowd support, Aus would defo compete with eng for this. However, winner having at least one test of the finals at home is a good idea.
Rahul D made a very pertinent point in his interview when he said that in the desperation to qualify fo rwtc , we have prepared absolute raging turners to facilitate our spinners. That sort of thing should be ruled out.
 
Man, I just want us to bat 160 overs and show some spine. Win is nigh impossible from here on anyway.
 
Pakhs said:
Great bowling by Ashwin showing the wicket is not as flat. If you can bowl you will take wickets. Separating proper bowlers to dustbowl bowlers.
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Ashwin can be very effective if he has proper partner (perhaps a wrist spinner) in India. Only one out of Jadeja/Axar should play (Jadeja for his experience! Axar should fight for this spot by improving...) In overseas too Ashwin can be our lone spinner provided we have 4 proper pacers (and not Thakur) OR 3 proper pacers + 1 proper 6th Batsman!

Shane Warne achieved all that because he had a perfect team with him! (Still he couldn't achieve much in India because he didn't have a perfect team for Indian Conditions! He didn't have a spin bowling partner, he didn't have enough batsmen with skill to handle Indian spinners... One Hayden was not sufficient!)
 
MP2011 said:
I can't find anyone in current XI who is even half of that VVS!
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you never know, inspiration lies in the the most hidden of corners.....and that very very special innnings was on march 14th....22 years almost to the day
 
Australia know that they should first break this partnership soon, then they can keep hitting hard after that...
 
And for that India should first get out cheaply in the 1st innings... And Australia perhaps are not confident enough with this bowling lineup to take that bold step!
 
Anyways I don't think that kind of thing (2011 VVS/Dravid) will happen! Either it will be a boring draw (if India bat well in 1st innings) OR an easy win for Australia (but with match stretched to 5 full days). I don't think this match is about 2nd innings heroics / follow on....
 
Day 2: Stumps - India trail by 444 runs
AUS - 480
IND - 36/0 (10)
CRR: 3.60
 
Overalll, i would say terrific effort from our guys, we stuck to it
should have never allowed lyon and murphy to get 60 odd, but understandable , our guys were bog tired
good effort from gillo and hitman to play out the day
tommorow is another day - will be interesting
 
India need to bat at a high strike rate tomorrow. If we can get a lead of somewhere close to 150 by tea on 4th day, we can put pressure on Australia. That the optimist in me with wishful thinking but not impossible though.
 
Rajdeep said:
India need to bat at a high strike rate tomorrow. If we can get a lead of somewhere close to 150 by tea on 4th day, we can put pressure on Australia. That the optimist in me with wishful thinking but not impossible though.
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In theory you are correct. Practically, if Rishabh was around - it would be achievable if he scored big. other wise i am just hopeful we some get as close as possible to them
 
The second day of the fourth Test of the Border-Gavaskar Trophy saw Australia bat over two and a half sessions on a placid wicket.

India had to contend with two resilient batting stands on a day which provided little to no help to the bowlers. After managing to bowl Australia out for 480, the hosts stood at 36 without loss at the end of day’s play.

Khawaja-Green relish in record stand

Overnight batters Usman Khawaja and Cameron Green made the most of good batting conditions at Ahmedabad. India switched back and forth between pace and spin options in search of a breakthrough, but there was no stopping the Australia duo.

They took a special liking to Umesh Yadav’s bowling, milking 37 runs off his six overs. Khawaja and Green extended their stand for the fifth-wicket to 208. This is the highest fifth-wicket stand for Australia against India in India.

Khawaja defied India’s bowlers till Tea, after which the southpaw was trapped lbw by Axar Patel.

During his innings of 180, Khawaja became the player with third-highest individual score for Australia against India in India.

Ashwin leads the bowling charge

Ashwin brought India their first breakthrough of the day. Going for a sweep, Green gloved one down the legside to the keeper Srikar Bharat. The all-rounder walked back at 114. This was his maiden Test ton.

One dismissal brought another as Alex Carey threw his arms at an Ashwin delivery which turned away from him, but could muster only a leading edge towards Axar at short third man.

The Australia total hadn’t moved too far ahead when they lost two more wickets in the form of Mitchell Starc and Khawaja.

At 409/8, India would’ve looked forward to batting soon, but Nathan Lyon and Todd Murphy had other plans. The duo added 70 runs for the ninth-wicket, tiring the India fielders further on a hot day. Finally, it was Ashwin who got their wickets to bring the Australia innings to an end.

During his 6/91, Ashwin became India’s leading wicket-taker against Australia in Test cricket. He overtook India legend Anil Kumble in the process. The off-spinner now has 113 Test wickets against Australia as compared to Kumble's 111.

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RamLakhan said:
Ashwin can be very effective if he has proper partner (perhaps a wrist spinner) in India. Only one out of Jadeja/Axar should play (Jadeja for his experience! Axar should fight for this spot by improving...) In overseas too Ashwin can be our lone spinner provided we have 4 proper pacers (and not Thakur) OR 3 proper pacers + 1 proper 6th Batsman!

Shane Warne achieved all that because he had a perfect team with him! (Still he couldn't achieve much in India because he didn't have a perfect team for Indian Conditions! He didn't have a spin bowling partner, he didn't have enough batsmen with skill to handle Indian spinners... One Hayden was not sufficient!)
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India has always had two bowlers or more who could take wickets on these pitches. Now they have only Ashwin, Jadeja can also do the job he has the skills but due to bowling one dustbowls regularly loses his patient and starts bowling too flat but I have no doubt given a bit more practice he can also be effective.

Axar is dustbowl bowler (more of T20 bowler tbh)
 
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