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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...an-advance-into-city/articleshow/84310779.cms

NEW DELHI: India evacuated all its India-based personnel from on Saturday evening by special flight, as Taliban advanced into the city, amidst fighting and violence.

The Indian mission is now manned only by the local Afghan staff who work for the Indian government.

For the time being, the Mazar-e-Sharif consulate is still open, and with Indian personnel, but that may not be for too long as the Taliban sweep through the western part of Afghanistan. The Kabul embassy is the only one that is still fully functional with Indian personnel.

The Indian ambassador to Afghanistan, Rudrendra Tandon discussed the deteriorating security situation with the new Afghan defense minister Bismillah Khan Mohammedi earlier Kandahar this week. The Indian government on Thursday indicated that they were watching the situation “carefully” — and pulled out Indians on Saturday.

India had already closed down its missions in Jalalabad andHerat in 2020, citing Covid, but it was clear that the security situation had played a part.

Despite some overly optimistic assessments by the departing US military forces, the Afghan government security forces are collapsing with barely a fight.

The Taliban too are playing a smarter game this time — by controlling and closing off the northern borders as well as on the Iranian side — to prevent the growth of any NorthernAlliance-like formation to challenge them.

Security sources here don’t give Afghanistan more than a few weeks, before Taliban control all of the country. At this point, the Islamist group control over 85 per cent ofAfghanistan. Most other countries, from Australia to China as well as the NATO countries have all pulled out their personnel.

The Afghan Taliban has activated its traditional support from among Pakistan’s terror groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba. SeveralIDs of Pakistan security forces have also been found, indicating they are fighting alongside the Taliban.

Congratulations to all Pakistani posters here - proud moment indeed!
 
This is actually serious news, why ruin it with childish jibes about Pakistan?

It’s 2021 guys, get rid of this Pakistan obsession, it’s pretty unhealthy.
 
This is actually serious news, why ruin it with childish jibes about Pakistan?

It’s 2021 guys, get rid of this Pakistan obsession, it’s pretty unhealthy.

This is not a jibe. This worked out exactly as scripted by Pakistan - read any non Pakistani news source. For that matter, your govt is on record asking for this outcome.
 
Around 50 diplomats and other staff members at the consulate in Afghanistan's Kandahar have been evacuated in view of the "intense fighting near Kandahar city" India has said. The fighting started as the Taliban tries to regain control over the country as the US pulls out its forces after nearly two decades, sources have said. The personnel at the consulate were flown to Delhi last evening by special Air Force planes which avoided Pakistan air space, sources said.

"India is closely monitoring the evolving security situation in Afghanistan. The safety and security of our personnel is paramount," the foreign ministry has said in a statement.

"The Consulate General of India in Kandahar has not been closed. However, due to the intense fighting near Kandahar city, India-based personnel have been brought back for the time being. I want to emphasize that this is a purely temporary measure until the situation stabilizes. The Consulate continues to operate through our local staff members," added the statement by External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi.

On Tuesday, the Indian embassy in Kabul said they had no plans to shut down. The consulates in Kandahar or Mazar-e-Sharif will also remain open, it had said. The consulates in Herat and Jalalabad were closed last year in April amid the pandemic.

Earlier, the Ministry of External Affairs said India was carefully monitoring the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan and its implications on the safety and security of Indian nationals.

Over the last few weeks, Afghanistan witnessed a series of terror attacks as the US looked to complete the withdrawal of its forces by the end of August, ending its military presence in the war-ravaged country for nearly two decades.

Amid growing concerns in India -- which has been supporting the peace and reconstruction efforts -- Afghan Ambassador Farid Mamundzay briefed Foreign Secretary Harsh Vardhan Shringla on the ground situation on Tuesday.

The Indian embassy has asked all Indians visiting, staying and working in Afghanistan to exercise the utmost caution and avoid all non-essential travel in the country.

In its advisory, the embassy said the security situation remains "dangerous" and terror groups have carried out a series of attacks targeting civilians. Indian nationals additionally face a "serious threat" of kidnapping, the ministry said.

Afghanistan was invaded by the US in 2001 shortly after the September 11 attacks that year carried by Osama Bin Laden's Al Qaida. Bin Laden, who went into hiding in Pakistan, was killed in May 2011.

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This is not a jibe. This worked out exactly as scripted by Pakistan - read any non Pakistani news source. For that matter, your govt is on record asking for this outcome.

You could argue that Pakistan wanted it that way, but because India has been using this consulate and others to support terrorism in Pakistan. So of course Pakistan would want it gone.
 
America was eventually gonna leave come what may. The Taliban were eventually gonna take over thereby putting waste to the billions India invested there. I have no issue with Afghanistan having diplomatic relations with India providing terrorism is not imported from there. We all know India has been causing terrorism in Pakistan fthrough Afghanistan, lets not pretend otherwise. India's biggest concern is to avenge that Pak fauj and the ISI may send the Taliban to IoK now. Make no mistake the Taliban hate India and want to avenge all they have been doing in Afghanistan too. I do not support the Taliban as long as they keep out of Pak affairs neither are they our unconditional friends.
 
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No doubt Pak has much more control over the Taliban then anyone else. With them in charge next door it is a good thing for us. Having a Pak friendly government in Afghanistan is so very important to us.
 
No doubt Pak has much more control over the Taliban then anyone else. With them in charge next door it is a good thing for us. Having a Pak friendly government in Afghanistan is so very important to us.

Pakistan should never interfere with Afghanistan's internal politics and wait for who comes on top.


And so far, that's exactly what we are doing. Even Biden said the same thing in his latest press conference regarding this matter.
 
Pakistan should never interfere with Afghanistan's internal politics and wait for who comes on top.


And so far, that's exactly what we are doing. Even Biden said the same thing in his latest press conference regarding this matter.

We have to interfere when terrorism keeps coming from Afghanistan supported by India and America. Never mind what Biden said, he only wants Pak to grant his American military bases so they can cause more mayhem. As I say the Afghans can do whatever they want providing terrorism from there does not effect Pak. Whatever happens in Afghanistan will effect Pakistan, a happy Afghanistan means a happy Pakistan.
 
the relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan....

I never understood it.

They are friends or foe or neutral or what?
 
Why did Ind invest so much in Afghanistan? Ind has no land border and nor has it ever been threatened by the Taliban.
 
Why is India leaving its good friend Afghanistan? Over the years, we heard how this brotherhood was deep, a little bit of hardship and the Indians ran!
 
Just make sure Pakistan border is sealed for Afghanis. We do not want any unwanted trouble within Pakistan. Enough with this Muslim ummah business. Afghani people are not sincere people. They always say bad things about Pakistan. They always want to be friends with India. No more immigrants. I dont care about taliban or other groups whatever Islam they pursue there in Afghanistan. Our border should be sealed for good.
 
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I don't want any war in the subcontinent, Afghanistan or China. Pak, India, Afghanistan and China must find a way to coexist and prosper together. Whatever happens in one country will always greatly effect the other. The potential is amazing even greater then Europe if India accepts Pakistan's right to exist and gives up it's fantasies of an Akhand Bharat. India must also stop blaming Pak for the situation in IoK where they have on soldier for every five people and stop meddling in our Baluchistan.
 
I don't want any war in the subcontinent, Afghanistan or China. Pak, India, Afghanistan and China must find a way to coexist and prosper together. Whatever happens in one country will always greatly effect the other. The potential is amazing even greater then Europe if India accepts Pakistan's right to exist and gives up it's fantasies of an Akhand Bharat. India must also stop blaming Pak for the situation in IoK where they have on soldier for every five people and stop meddling in our Baluchistan.

.... and this is why peace can never exist in sub continent. People will always push their own agenda through the facade of finding peace.
 
.... and this is why peace can never exist in sub continent. People will always push their own agenda through the facade of finding peace.

Peace will only occur when all countries involved agree to some compromise, to give and take. The politicians do not want peace when their careers depend on never ending conflict. People's power in some form can bring peace.
 
Peace will only occur when all countries involved agree to some compromise, to give and take. The politicians do not want peace when their careers depend on never ending conflict. People's power in some form can bring peace.

In your post, you blamed India for everything and didn't even touch about what Pakistan has to compromise.

My question, what Pakistan needs to compromise for attaining this peace?
 
Wait, i was hearing that india was set to play a greater role in afghanistan's peace process. what happened? they scarpered like rats deserting a sinking ship.
 
In your post, you blamed India for everything and didn't even touch about what Pakistan has to compromise.

My question, what Pakistan needs to compromise for attaining this peace?

Pak must stop supporting the Khalistani Sikh's if Indian accusations are true. Other then the Kashmir issue Pak must keep out of all other separatist movements in India like the Naxals and all that. They have nothing to do with Pak at all.
 
Some indian expert analysts are so deluded they think GB is in india and they have a direct link to afghanistan. strange people
 
Why does India not help the Afghan Government in their fight against the Taliban? I thought they were allies? Is India scared of getting their hands dirty? Do they fear retaliation from the Taliban?
 
I don't get it. I thought Afghans hated Pakistan and loved India? Surely this should be safe ground for Indian diplomats considering how much "aid" the Indian govt has gifted to Afghanistan? :13:
 
Anyone who thinks that the medieval fanatical Taliban will provide a stable government to Afghanistan that will bring prosperity to the region is delusional. Expect more war, more chaos and Pakistan's international reputation taking a further hit as the Taliban indulges in more ISIS styled antics. This is not something that is about the next year or two, it is about the next few decades.

<b>Pakistan, After Rooting for Afghanistan’s Taliban, Faces a Blowback</b>
Islamabad wants a negotiated agreement, fears that outright Taliban takeover would galvanize Pakistani jihadists


ISLAMABAD—For two decades, a large part of the Pakistani security establishment rooted for the Taliban in the Afghan war. Now that the Taliban are taking over vast tracts of the country and seem to be on the cusp of seizing power, panic is spreading through Pakistan’s halls of power.

Ever since the 2001 U.S. invasion ousted the Pakistani-backed Taliban regime in Kabul, Pakistan’s powerful military has unofficially provided carefully calibrated support to the group, allowing Afghan insurgents to operate from its territory. Pakistan wanted to bolster the Taliban as a counter to the influence of its enemy—India—in Afghanistan and to have a potent proxy there after a U.S. departure.

Formally an American ally since 2001, Pakistan’s government denies backing the Taliban, but says it has some limited influence over the group.

With the Taliban sweeping through a third of Afghanistan’s districts following the U.S. military withdrawal and surrounding the country’s major cities, Pakistani authorities have to grapple with the unintended consequences of their policies. A total takeover by the Taliban or a new civil war in Afghanistan would backfire against Islamabad’s national interests, senior Pakistani officials say.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pakist...anistans-taliban-faces-a-blowback-11625822762
 
Anyone who thinks that the medieval fanatical Taliban will provide a stable government to Afghanistan that will bring prosperity to the region is delusional. Expect more war, more chaos and Pakistan's international reputation taking a further hit as the Taliban indulges in more ISIS styled antics. This is not something that is about the next year or two, it is about the next few decades.

So typical Indian response. Btw the thread is about India evacuating from Afghanistan, what had this to do with Pakistan?
 
So typical Indian response. Btw the thread is about India evacuating from Afghanistan, what had this to do with Pakistan?

Typical non-delusional response :))

Whatever happens to Afghanistan will impact Pakistan a lot more than it’ll impact India.
 
Pak must stop supporting the Khalistani Sikh's if Indian accusations are true. Other then the Kashmir issue Pak must keep out of all other separatist movements in India like the Naxals and all that. They have nothing to do with Pak at all.

The naxals are not a separatist movement. They never were.

Their aim was to capture power through 'total revolution' (sic), not to demand a separate homeland.

Funny that so many Pakistanis think it so.
 
Coming back to the thread, hasn't India been involved in backchannel diplomacy with the Taliban for sometime now?

And the Taliban's response to India's lifting of Article 370 in J&K was pretty benign. They even claimed it was India's internal affair.
 
Afghanistan produces opium and while we think it is only about Heorin and other dangerous drugs, it is also a big necessity for Pharma industry. Basically that’s what the Taliban wants to control, it’s not like the more liberal Afghan govt opens up discos and pubs and has gay, women and animal rights. May be to countries like India it feels very extreme when you hear Taliban but it is only a shade above current Afghan or Pakistani government to be honest.

Basically Taliban wants Islamic law etc May be a more extreme interpretation of it and on the other hand Oxford educated and ex socialite and celebrity cricket Imran has views like Riyasat e Madina and Osama as shaheed so maybe not in implementation but more or less the same view points.

While this might be an initial assessment and panic, eventually if Taliban takes over entire Afghanistan, Indian govt will open back channel talks and while people think the Taliban folk as some extreme form of Amish who live even before in the 800 AD, these guys use drug money to acquire the latest technology when it comes to weapons, intelligence etc so they are not totally dumb as they dress. They can be negotiated with.
 
Coming back to the thread, hasn't India been involved in backchannel diplomacy with the Taliban for sometime now?

Doesn't seem to have gone too well then, if they are now evacuating their mission headquarters as Taliban close in.
 
Those complaining about the title are hypocrites. Pakistan is the single biggest reason for the current state of Afghanistan. Dont let morales comes in the way of accepting the accolades on behalf of your establishment.

The thread was not meant to be for India. We (like other civilized countries) have packed up and leaving. What is happening in Aghanistan is now on Pakistan's conscience.
 
Those complaining about the title are hypocrites. Pakistan is the single biggest reason for the current state of Afghanistan. Dont let morales comes in the way of accepting the accolades on behalf of your establishment.

The thread was not meant to be for India. We (like other civilized countries) have packed up and leaving. What is happening in Aghanistan is now on Pakistan's conscience.

Wow. That means Pakistan has defeated Afghanistan where even Russia and NATO failed.

Who's the supa powa now? :salute
 
Those complaining about the title are hypocrites. Pakistan is the single biggest reason for the current state of Afghanistan. Dont let morales comes in the way of accepting the accolades on behalf of your establishment.

The thread was not meant to be for India. We (like other civilized countries) have packed up and leaving. What is happening in Aghanistan is now on Pakistan's conscience.

So PK conquered where everyone failed I feel quite proud:yahoo:yahoo
 
Typical non-delusional response :))

Whatever happens to Afghanistan will impact Pakistan a lot more than it’ll impact India.

Lol, why are you so «worried» about Pakistan all of the sudden? And of course everyone knows what happen’s in AFG will have impact in Pakistan and the countries bordering to it.

But what people don’t understand is why India invested $3 billons and then just ran away in the middle of the night?
 
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So PK conquered where everyone failed I feel quite proud:yahoo:yahoo


Let's hope this 'conquest' brings Afghans the peace they need. It sure didn't happen the last time the Taliban was in power.

The Taliban may take Pakistan's money but sure won't take the orders. They are a unpredictable lot. And they won't hesitate to butcher Pakistani civilians through terror attacks if they get ****** off either. They've done it in the past.

All it will take is another terror attack in the US that can be traced back to Afghanistan for the them to enter the scene again and bomb Afghanistan to glass.

And it's not like Pakistan is all gung ho, from the look of it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pakist...anistans-taliban-faces-a-blowback-11625822762
 
Let's hope this 'conquest' brings Afghans the peace they need. It sure didn't happen the last time the Taliban was in power.

The Taliban may take Pakistan's money but sure won't take the orders. They are a unpredictable lot. And they won't hesitate to butcher Pakistani civilians through terror attacks if they get ****** off either. They've done it in the past.

All it will take is another terror attack in the US that can be traced back to Afghanistan for the them to enter the scene again and bomb Afghanistan to glass.

And it's not like Pakistan is all gung ho, from the look of it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pakist...anistans-taliban-faces-a-blowback-11625822762

But as your guy has said our army has done what the Super powers have miserably failed. And all this without firing a bullet. With an army this good no wonder there is so much propaganda against them.
BTW how are the Indians feeling after having to run from Afghanistan after spending billions that could have been spent on the poor of Ind, I am sure the Ind public are going ballistic when 1000s have died as they lacked basic things like Oxygen tanks when they needed them.
 
This is actually serious news, why ruin it with childish jibes about Pakistan?

It’s 2021 guys, get rid of this Pakistan obsession, it’s pretty unhealthy.

Why were Indians in “Kandahar” in first place?
We all know that there is no local indian community living in that part of the world, so there was no real need for india to provide consular services to its citizens. They were obviously there to serve a particular purpose and now legging it.

This is indeed a good news for Pakistan. Kabul embassy shall soon follow.
 
Why were Indians in “Kandahar” in first place?
We all know that there is no local indian community living in that part of the world, so there was no real need for india to provide consular services to its citizens.

Its the place from where gandhari, mother of all the heros of mahbharatha has come.
 
Afghanistan produces opium and while we think it is only about Heorin and other dangerous drugs, it is also a big necessity for Pharma industry. Basically that’s what the Taliban wants to control, it’s not like the more liberal Afghan govt opens up discos and pubs and has gay, women and animal rights. May be to countries like India it feels very extreme when you hear Taliban but it is only a shade above current Afghan or Pakistani government to be honest.

Basically Taliban wants Islamic law etc May be a more extreme interpretation of it and on the other hand Oxford educated and ex socialite and celebrity cricket Imran has views like Riyasat e Madina and Osama as shaheed so maybe not in implementation but more or less the same view points.

While this might be an initial assessment and panic, eventually if Taliban takes over entire Afghanistan, Indian govt will open back channel talks and while people think the Taliban folk as some extreme form of Amish who live even before in the 800 AD, these guys use drug money to acquire the latest technology when it comes to weapons, intelligence etc so they are not totally dumb as they dress. They can be negotiated with.

What a load of rubbish. Here you go and now eat ur hat!

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html
 
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Lol, why are you so «worried» about Pakistan all of the sudden? And of course everyone knows what happen’s in AFG will have impact in Pakistan and the countries bordering to it.

But what people don’t understand is why India invested $3 billons and then just ran away in the middle of the night?

Yes worse case scenario India will take a financial hit and a huge one at that for a country like India.

However religious extremism at the level of Taliban will make it worse for a country like Pakistan which is already struggling to resurrect its image and has all kinds of financial sanctions due to extremism. You think, there aren’t religious extremists in Pakistan who subscribe to Taliban philosophy?

Taliban is bad news for the entire world not just India so not sure what your point is?
 
Look India tried their hand - they are doing a strategic exit for now - the great game continues.
 
Yes worse case scenario India will take a financial hit and a huge one at that for a country like India.

However religious extremism at the level of Taliban will make it worse for a country like Pakistan which is already struggling to resurrect its image and has all kinds of financial sanctions due to extremism. You think, there aren’t religious extremists in Pakistan who subscribe to Taliban philosophy?

Taliban is bad news for the entire world not just India so not sure what your point is?

Taliban may well be bad news for Pakistan, religious extremism whichever border it's on is bad news. But Pakistan can't dictate what goes on in Afghanistan any more than it can in Sri Lanka, India or China. All they can do is try to build a working relationship with whoever is in charge in Kabul.
 
Yes worse case scenario India will take a financial hit and a huge one at that for a country like India.

However religious extremism at the level of Taliban will make it worse for a country like Pakistan which is already struggling to resurrect its image and has all kinds of financial sanctions due to extremism. You think, there aren’t religious extremists in Pakistan who subscribe to Taliban philosophy?

Taliban is bad news for the entire world not just India so not sure what your point is?

So Taliban type religious extremism is bad for Afghanistan and the whole world but the Hinduvita Saffron brigade is a gift for Humanity?

Also why do Indians like yourself worry abt Afghanistan? Remember the Afghans have been a main proponent of Ghazwa-e-Hind for centuries. Therefore if anything, they should be despised by the Indians.
 
So Taliban type religious extremism is bad for Afghanistan and the whole world but the Hinduvita Saffron brigade is a gift for Humanity?

Also why do Indians like yourself worry abt Afghanistan? Remember the Afghans have been a main proponent of Ghazwa-e-Hind for centuries. Therefore if anything, they should be despised by the Indians.

I have pointed this out many times actually. Indians should be thankful for the creation of Pakistan, it created a buffer state and ended the raids on Indian land by Afghan warriors.
 
This is not a jibe. This worked out exactly as scripted by Pakistan - read any non Pakistani news source. For that matter, your govt is on record asking for this outcome.
You think NATO and US forces being there for 20 years with best fire power and armymen and women left because Pakistan was behind it. Haha...nice joke! Pretty immature as well just like India's leadership.
 
This has been mentioned multiple times before. Indian posters read up some history.

1947-1989, Multiple Afghan governments have had a very hostile posture towards Pakistan. The do not recognise Durand line as Int'l border, laying claim to terriotires all the way to Attock as part of Afghanistan. Instigating multiple pashtoon led revolts. Even initiating 2 foolish invasions. Pakistan will not let Afghanistan be a hostile neighbor to be used by our eastern neighbors. Pakistan will do whatever needs to be done to have a Pak friendly government in Afghanistan. That could have been achieved by successive Afghan giovernments in the past 20 years. They chose to hitch their carts to the wrong horse(s). You have had your fun for the past 20 years under the blessings of the US led coalition. Now is the time to shut shop and slinker out.
 
Tch tch, still doesn’t cut the mustard.

Good that the Indians are booted out promptly after Uncle Sam’s departure. What happens in Afghanistan is none of your business.
 
The naxals are not a separatist movement. They never were.

Their aim was to capture power through 'total revolution' (sic), not to demand a separate homeland.

Funny that so many Pakistanis think it so.

Are you kidding me or yourself? These guy's clearly want heir own country. Stop it!
 
Hopefully, the terrorist attacks on Pakistanis will stop now that Indian are fleeing Afghanistan.

They are at other consulates and the Indian embassy in Kabul. Even if they vacated Afghanistan completely, they may still support terrorism directly from India with a much more diminished capability. But they are still in the rest of Afghanistan so the threat is still there.
 
They are at other consulates and the Indian embassy in Kabul. Even if they vacated Afghanistan completely, they may still support terrorism directly from India with a much more diminished capability. But they are still in the rest of Afghanistan so the threat is still there.

It seems Talibans have already entered Indian Consulate in Kandahar. Hopefully they left a treasure trove of Intel documents since they ran out in such a hurry in the middle of the night...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reports coming out of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a> say that, not only have <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indian</a> diplomats been evacuated from India’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kandahar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kandahar</a> consulate due to Taliban advances, but BLA terrorist assets of Indian intel have also been evacuated from Aino Mena neighborhood of Kandahar to Kabul for now.<br><br>/1 <a href="https://t.co/RT9K30CzuK">pic.twitter.com/RT9K30CzuK</a></p>— Malik Khurram Khan Dehwar (@KhurramDehwar) <a href="https://twitter.com/KhurramDehwar/status/1414277765432479750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In addition , AfgTaliban take over of Punjwai district of Kandahar has also resulted in dismantling of BLA terrorist training camps set by R&AW & NDS at the foothills of Tor Ghar in south western Kandahar, where BLA’s terrorists who attacked KSE last year, received training.<br><br>/2 <a href="https://t.co/CQAksEUJaj">pic.twitter.com/CQAksEUJaj</a></p>— Malik Khurram Khan Dehwar (@KhurramDehwar) <a href="https://twitter.com/KhurramDehwar/status/1414277773972094977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Please somebody listen to Swammy ji and deploy 20000 Indian troops in Kandahar + some Raphaaael phiiighters to secure the consulate....


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We evacuated from our Kandahar Consulate fearing Taliban. What happened to our “talks” with Taliban in Doha recently? Zilch! We should have landed 20, 000 troops and sent a squadron of IAF Bomber jets to defend our Consulate in Kandahar.</p>— Subramanian Swamy (@Swamy39) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1414055709709242373?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Please somebody listen to Swammy ji and deploy 20000 Indian troops in Kandahar + some Raphaaael phiiighters to secure the consulate....


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We evacuated from our Kandahar Consulate fearing Taliban. What happened to our “talks” with Taliban in Doha recently? Zilch! We should have landed 20, 000 troops and sent a squadron of IAF Bomber jets to defend our Consulate in Kandahar.</p>— Subramanian Swamy (@Swamy39) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1414055709709242373?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't know if Swami Ji is being sarcastic or is serious.

In any case, the 20.000 troops can conquer Afghanistan in a few hours but I highly doubt they can manage to last a complete month and actually have any sort of control.

People must understand, whenever an external comes inside Afghanistan, the locals unite. Be it Soviets, Americans, Indians or Martians...
 
India on Sunday said it has “temporarily” brought back officials from its consulate in Kandahar, a major city in southern Afghanistan, as Taliban fighters continue to gain control amid the withdrawal of international forces.

However, sources said New Delhi is also delivering ammunition to the beleaguered Kabul administration and has recently sent two cargo planes to Kabul and Kandahar, full of artillery shells. The same planes were used to evacuate Indian officials from the two cities.

"Due to the intense fighting near Kandahar city, India-based personnel have been brought back for the time being," India's foreign ministry chief spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said in a statement.

"India is closely monitoring the evolving security situation in Afghanistan," Bagchi said, adding that India's consulate in Kandahar was being run by local staff temporarily.

Taliban officials said on Friday the group had taken control of 85% of Afghanistan's territory, as the United States and others withdrew the bulk of their troops after 20 years of fighting. Afghan government officials dismissed the assertion as a propaganda campaign.

India's foreign minister on Friday called for a reduction of violence, saying the situation in the war-torn nation has a direct bearing on regional security. However, on Saturday an Indian Air Force (IAF) C-17 aircraft arrived at Kandahar Airfield at 11am to deliver 40 tons of 122mm artillery shells.

The Afghan Taliban in a video that went viral on social media claimed that they have captured the Indian consulate in Kandahar.

Tolo News in June said the outreach by India was being led by its security officials and had been limited to groups or leaders perceived as "nationalists" or outside the influence of Pakistan and Iran.

The report, quoted by the Afghan media outlet and originally from an Indian publication, stated that communication had been underway for some months and continues to be "exploratory in nature".

Among the leaders contacted was the deputy leader of the Afghan Taliban, Mullah Baradar. The report added that though messages have been exchanged, there is no confirmation of a meeting.

Another IAF C-17 aircraft arrived at Kabul Airfield at about 5pm on Sunday to dispatch another 40 tons of 122mm artillery shells consignment. These aircraft, which had departed from Jaipur and Chandigarh, were also used to evacuate Indian officials.

Trucks loaded with Indian weapons were also seen on the roads of Kabul.

According to Afghanistan's Tolo News, India has also opened channels of communication with the leadership of the Taliban, marking “a significant shift” in New Delhi's stance of not engaging with the group.

Tolo News in June said the outreach by India was being led by its security officials and had been limited to groups or leaders perceived as "nationalists" or outside the influence of Pakistan and Iran.

The report, quoted by the Afghan media outlet and originally from an Indian publication, stated that communication had been underway for some months and continues to be "exploratory in nature".

Among the leaders contacted was the deputy leader of the Afghan Taliban, Mullah Baradar. The report added that though messages have been exchanged, there is no confirmation of a meeting.
 
You know nothing about Shariah law at all. Better not to talk about a subject you have no knowledge off.

I know more than you. So don't run your mouth off. We have seen enough footage of how Taliban implemented Sharia law in 90's. It will be a repeat of the same.

Let me ask you. Would you prefer to live under Sharia law or a secular law?
 
Everyone should leave Afghanistan alone in particular India who had no business to be there in the first place. Only reason India was there was to use it as a base to attack Pak, even honest Indian's know this. Now that they are being expelled despite having spent so heavily their media's screams are understandable. You know it's the Pak military and the ISI blah, blah, blah! Pak should make it clear to Afghanistan that leave us alone and we won't bother you. Just take back your refugee's too, thanks.
 
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India rightly has had its backside kicked. It should never have been there, it shares no border with Afghan and nor has it ever been threatened. Humiliation is well deserved

Countries are supposed to have consulates in other countries?
 
Countries are supposed to have consulates in other countries?

India has more consulates in Afghanistan & Iran's regions neighboring Pakistan than any other country. These are primarily used as training grounds for terrorists to create issues inside Pakistan.
The Kandahar Consulate was one of them.
 
India rightly has had its backside kicked. It should never have been there, it shares no border with Afghan and nor has it ever been threatened. Humiliation is well deserved

Apparently, India shares a border with Afghanistan via Gilgit/Balistan :)
 
Countries are supposed to have consulates in other countries?

A country usually has consulates in a foreign country proportionate to the number of its own citizen present in that country or demand of consular services for that countries' citizens. As the primary reason of having consulates is to facilitate your own citizens along with the Main Embassy in capital.
India has over 10M Indian citizens and or US citizens of Indian origin in the US. India also has massive trade with the US. So taking all the trade & economical activities + consular services for its own NRIs, It has 5 consulates + embassy.

In Afghanistan it has less than 1000 Indian citizens but still has 4 consulates + embassy in Kabul. What are they doing in all those consulates.

They have a consulate in Zahidan Iran, which is next to Pakistan border. I would love to see how many Indian citizens they help out or what is amount of Visa issued to Iranis living in Zahidan that they had to have a consulate right there instead of just the embassy in Tehran.
 
Countries are supposed to have consulates in other countries?

I was talking about Indias badniyaati in its presence in Afghanistan and the use of these consulates to ferment terrorism in PK. Its a kicking well deserved, and hopefully we never see them again in Afghanistan
 
Now that Taliban is taking over Afghanistan, and If Pakistan does not do anything about it, then expect USA to abandon Pakistan, no aid money or trade relations fostering. Also expect to be on FATF for long time now

From an Indian pov, the statement has always been consistent. No army boots will enter Afghanistan. Only will support economically and diplomatically. So this was expected.
 
Now that Taliban is taking over Afghanistan, and If Pakistan does not do anything about it, then expect USA to abandon Pakistan, no aid money or trade relations fostering. Also expect to be on FATF for long time now

From an Indian pov, the statement has always been consistent. No army boots will enter Afghanistan. Only will support economically and diplomatically. So this was expected.

lol it's not Pakistan's job to do anything. Legally Pakistan can't even cross into Afghanistan to fight their war and I'm sure Ghani wouldn't like that either. Let the Afghans resolve their conflicts.

 
Now that Taliban is taking over Afghanistan, and If Pakistan does not do anything about it, then expect USA to abandon Pakistan, no aid money or trade relations fostering. Also expect to be on FATF for long time now

From an Indian pov, the statement has always been consistent. No army boots will enter Afghanistan. Only will support economically and diplomatically. So this was expected.

Afghanistan itself never was the reason, why americans had boots on the ground. Pakistan still is in the same important geo-political location between Iran and China and right next to Middle east at the mouth of strait of Hormuz in Persian gulf. We just need the political leadership who can play our cards intelligently.

India the anarchist is out of equation now.
 
Now that Taliban is taking over Afghanistan, and If Pakistan does not do anything about it, then expect USA to abandon Pakistan, no aid money or trade relations fostering. Also expect to be on FATF for long time now

From an Indian pov, the statement has always been consistent. No army boots will enter Afghanistan. Only will support economically and diplomatically. So this was expected.

Why is there an expectation for Pakistan to do anything? As far as I am aware, Afghanistan is not part of Pakistan. Stop off-loading others failures onto Pakistan. It is not our issue.
 
Why is there an expectation for Pakistan to do anything? As far as I am aware, Afghanistan is not part of Pakistan. Stop off-loading others failures onto Pakistan. It is not our issue.

Did you follow any news other than covid last year? America was leaving Afghanistan strictly based on the fact that other neighbouring countries like Pakistan can play a part in resolving conflict by dialogue or force. Pakistan agreed to dialogue although it failed I guess.

India was asked too but it was very clear from the start , no force will be deployed.

Check this article

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...an-sitharaman-tells-mattis/article9873671.ece

India has invested heavily in improving the lives of Afghan people, friendship dam just an example
 
Did you follow any news other than covid last year? America was leaving Afghanistan strictly based on the fact that other neighbouring countries like Pakistan can play a part in resolving conflict by dialogue or force. Pakistan agreed to dialogue although it failed I guess.

India was asked too but it was very clear from the start , no force will be deployed.

Check this article

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...an-sitharaman-tells-mattis/article9873671.ece

India has invested heavily in improving the lives of Afghan people, friendship dam just an example

What are you on about? Do not try to portray yourself as wise whilst attempting to put others down.

Pakistan always maintained that it would encourage a peaceful political settlement and did not ever mention force. We are not responsible or encountable for the mess left by others. And I not even going to bother opening an Indian website.

Pakistan should toughen its border controls and leave the Afghans to deal with their own country. We are not party to this. There was Indian presence in Afghanistan, may be they should help their new friend now.
 
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A country usually has consulates in a foreign country proportionate to the number of its own citizen present in that country or demand of consular services for that countries' citizens. As the primary reason of having consulates is to facilitate your own citizens along with the Main Embassy in capital.
India has over 10M Indian citizens and or US citizens of Indian origin in the US. India also has massive trade with the US. So taking all the trade & economical activities + consular services for its own NRIs, It has 5 consulates + embassy.

In Afghanistan it has less than 1000 Indian citizens but still has 4 consulates + embassy in Kabul. What are they doing in all those consulates.

They have a consulate in Zahidan Iran, which is next to Pakistan border. I would love to see how many Indian citizens they help out or what is amount of Visa issued to Iranis living in Zahidan that they had to have a consulate right there instead of just the embassy in Tehran.

India has a consulate in Zahedan because it is the capital of the Sistan-Baluchestan province of Iran, which is very strategically important for India. Reason is because the province has the Chabahar port which is Iran's only access to the Indian ocean, which is also important to India because in the absence of trade through Pakistan, it is the only way India can trade with Iran, Afghanistan and central asia as Afghanistan itself is a land locked country. India is developing the Chabahar-Milak-Zaranj-Delaram (and then all the way to Kabul) highway for the same reason to trade with Afghanistan through Iran by bypassing Pakistan. This province is particularly important for the trade of goods and import of natural gas from Iran and central asia. The Chabahar port is important to India for the same reason that the Gwadar port is important to China. It also has a military significance as in the event of an Indo-China war, the Chinese vessels with the help of the Pakistan navy could do a naval blockade on India in the import of oil from the gulf. Indian presence at Chabahar will help addressing some of those issues due to the Chinese presence at Gwadar.

As for Indian presence in Afghanistan, in geopolitics, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. It is why China cozies up to Pakistan and vice versa and it is also why India cozied up to Afghanistan. India would want to strengthen the Indo-Afghan relationship by helping them build their infrastructure just as China does the same to Pakistan as a counterweight to India. The fact that India doesn't share an international border with Afghanistan is irrelevant as China has strong diplomatic relationships with a lot of India's neighbours with which it doesn't share an international border. Terrorism in Pakistan is certainly not a "creation" of India. The TTP wasn't created by the Sharmas and the Malhotras sitting in the embassies in Afghanistan, but it started as an off shoot of the Taliban (which was created and supported by Pakistan themselves) when the Taliban foreign fighters fled Afghanistan to the tribal areas in Pakistan during the air strikes by the US, and Iran probably has more incentive in running insurgent movements in Balochistan in Pakistan than India (Iran afterall has their own Baluchestan province). India probably takes advantage of those weak points in Pakistan just as Pakistan does in Kashmir in India, which is India's weak point.
 
India has a consulate in Zahedan because it is the capital of the Sistan-Baluchestan province of Iran, which is very strategically important for India. Reason is because the province has the Chabahar port which is Iran's only access to the Indian ocean, which is also important to India because in the absence of trade through Pakistan, it is the only way India can trade with Iran, Afghanistan and central asia as Afghanistan itself is a land locked country. India is developing the Chabahar-Milak-Zaranj-Delaram (and then all the way to Kabul) highway for the same reason to trade with Afghanistan through Iran by bypassing Pakistan. This province is particularly important for the trade of goods and import of natural gas from Iran and central asia. The Chabahar port is important to India for the same reason that the Gwadar port is important to China. It also has a military significance as in the event of an Indo-China war, the Chinese vessels with the help of the Pakistan navy could do a naval blockade on India in the import of oil from the gulf. Indian presence at Chabahar will help addressing some of those issues due to the Chinese presence at Gwadar.

As for Indian presence in Afghanistan, in geopolitics, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. It is why China cozies up to Pakistan and vice versa and it is also why India cozied up to Afghanistan. India would want to strengthen the Indo-Afghan relationship by helping them build their infrastructure just as China does the same to Pakistan as a counterweight to India. The fact that India doesn't share an international border with Afghanistan is irrelevant as China has strong diplomatic relationships with a lot of India's neighbours with which it doesn't share an international border. Terrorism in Pakistan is certainly not a "creation" of India. The TTP wasn't created by the Sharmas and the Malhotras sitting in the embassies in Afghanistan, but it started as an off shoot of the Taliban (which was created and supported by Pakistan themselves) when the Taliban foreign fighters fled Afghanistan to the tribal areas in Pakistan during the air strikes by the US, and Iran probably has more incentive in running insurgent movements in Balochistan in Pakistan than India (Iran afterall has their own Baluchestan province). India probably takes advantage of those weak points in Pakistan just as Pakistan does in Kashmir in India, which is India's weak point.


The chabahar project is over, Iran booted India and has now inked a 25 year $400 billion deal with China. India should now shut down their "consulate".

https://www.indiatvnews.com/opinion...ns-about-india-s-chabahar-port-project-694678
 
The chabahar project is over, Iran booted India and has now inked a 25 year $400 billion deal with China. India should now shut down their "consulate".

https://www.indiatvnews.com/opinion...ns-about-india-s-chabahar-port-project-694678

You didn't read the article in the link you yourself posted.

Last year, after the draft of the China-Iran deal emerged in the media, several reports claimed that Iran had removed India from the Chabahar-Zahedan Railway Line project due to the fund deficits. But, soon enough, both India and Iran rubbished the reports, saying the relations between the two countries are independent of their relations with any other country. To bolster the bilateral cooperation, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar met his Iranian counterpart Javad Zarif on his way to the SCO meet in September 2020, while Defence Minister Rajnath Singh met his counterpart Brigadier General Amir Hatami in Tehran returning from the SCO meet in Moscow.Now India is expected to commence its full operations at Chabahar port by the end of May. India is building two terminals at the port including the Shahid Beheshti complex. And, according to the deal, India will operate the terminal for 10 years.

Latest developments:

India has accelerated work on Chabahar Port, likely to be declared operational by May: CRS

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...ed-operational-by-may-crs/article34277332.ece
 
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Do not ridicule Shariah on this thread as that is part of Islam.

You are free to discuss it in a civilized way in other threads
 
A country usually has consulates in a foreign country proportionate to the number of its own citizen present in that country or demand of consular services for that countries' citizens. As the primary reason of having consulates is to facilitate your own citizens along with the Main Embassy in capital.
India has over 10M Indian citizens and or US citizens of Indian origin in the US. India also has massive trade with the US. So taking all the trade & economical activities + consular services for its own NRIs, It has 5 consulates + embassy.

In Afghanistan it has less than 1000 Indian citizens but still has 4 consulates + embassy in Kabul. What are they doing in all those consulates.

They have a consulate in Zahidan Iran, which is next to Pakistan border. I would love to see how many Indian citizens they help out or what is amount of Visa issued to Iranis living in Zahidan that they had to have a consulate right there instead of just the embassy in Tehran.

Zahedan had a huge Indian expatriate worker population. It probably still does.

And a lot of Afghans do visit India, hence the presence of an embassy and 4 consulates.

If India wanted to indulge in mischief anywhere, the last thing they would do is to announce their presence there in the form of a consulate.
 
Zahedan had a huge Indian expatriate worker population. It probably still does.

And a lot of Afghans do visit India, hence the presence of an embassy and 4 consulates.

If India wanted to indulge in mischief anywhere, the last thing they would do is to announce their presence there in the form of a consulate.

Pakistan wants to dictate where India will open its consulate. The delusions.
 
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